Since Victoria herself is also a Christian, I (who am also a Christian) found it ugh, TERRIBLE that she would feel the need to "forewarn" & "apologize" to the WORLDLIES that this report was a "Christian's health story."
I say, "SKEW THE WORLDLIES" :) if they don't like Christianity, Jesus, God, Scriptures, the Bible, Christians, etc.! That is THEIR PROBLEM, not ours! It is way too late in these End Times to "tip-toe" around WORLDLIES (unsaved people) for fear they may be "offended"! **WHO CARES** if their feathers get ruffled?! BE BOLD FOR CHRIST, TAKE A STAND!
This is why a bona fide **CHRISTIAN** NATURAL HYGIENE & FASTING RETREAT, WHOLLY DEDICATED TO JESUS CHRIST FROM THE GET-GO, IS NEEDED, ie, establish such a place & from DAY ONE, ADVERTISE IT **SOLELY** AS A **CHRISTIAN** HEALTH RETREAT!
Then, if the worldlies (unsaved) care to visit, they know IN ADVANCE what they are getting into, ie, a **CHRISTIAN ENVIRONMENT** where we will NOT HIDE, NOR WATER-DOWN, NOR APOLOGIZE FOR OUR CHRISTIAN FAITH just to appease THEM!
If they don't like Jesus or Christianity, etc., TOUGH STUFF!! Let THEM go to the WORLDLY "New Age" health retreat places!! God knows there are TONS of such places already, but there is NOT ONE SINGLE WHOLLY-CHRISTIAN NATURAL HYGIENE health & fasting retreat DEDICATED TO JESUS CHRIST in the ENTIRE USA (48 states/continent)!
As of now, Victoria's place is our only hope. So spread the word far & wide to your CHRISTIAN friends & let all the CHRISTIANS bombard Victoria with reservation requests so we can RUN OFF THE WORLDLIES! :D :D :D
I'm not bashing Victoria here, really. What irks me is that of all the millions of Christians in the USA who already KNOW the health benefits of fasting, Natural Hygiene, etc., why nobody has ever established such a place BY & FOR **CHRISTIANS ONLY**!?! I've wanted to create such a place myself since 1992, but being a puny poor peon runt, the idea is beyond my means.
And my idea has always been for a TWO-fold **CHRISTIAN** NATURAL HYGIENE retreat:
•a LONG TERM RESIDENTIAL section (1-2 years, or longer) PLUS
•a SHORTER-term section for people who only want to stay 4-6-8 weeks, etc.
Victoria's little place is not set up for long term'ers; & afterall, she's running the place by her lone self with a handyman or two, AFAIK. So she is doing the best she can.
And she, like me, is no "Spring chicken" (age-wise), but she IS healthy whereas I am not (my goal is to get out there one of these years but it is a LONG WAY from here to there. So if I made it out there, I'd want to stay A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG TIME (or maybe forever 'til Jesus comes!), but from what I can tell, I don't think she would want long term "residential" guests. Her small retreat also has a "bathroom shortage" dilemma >> only one bathroom. We need to fix that!
Fwiw, True North (non-Christian) in Santa Rosa, CALIF, http://healthpromoting.com takes long-term guests, but their cost is prohibitive. Also, they only have 2-bedroom units for full privacy, which costs even more. Or you can "share" a 2-bedroom unit with some stranger for less price, but yuk on that idea!
What we need is a "motel/hotel" or 1-bedroom apt. complex type place so single adults can have 1-bedrooms w/FULL PRIVACY (& their own bathroom) & not be "penalized" for it. That is one of my BIG pet peeves! >> singles always being penalized (price-wise) for being single! Grrr.
My very first idea in 1992 was for a CHRISTIAN Natural Hygiene high-rise condo where long-term residential raw-fooder folks could live on the upper floors & the short-term'ers on the lower floors (or vice-versa, whatever). And there would be a raw-food kitchen open 24-hours (for those with sleep disorders who are awake all weird hours), & we would run Les Feldick's PAULINE GRACE Bible study TV-program 24/7 in a first floor conference room; & the lobby would be full of Christian tracts, Bibles, etc. for visitors (NO HIDING OUR FAITH HERE!!), & we would have our own "in-house" Christian channel that would pipe the Alexander Scourby-narrated KJV into all units; & we would have a little chapel on premises for prayer, singing, communion, guest CHRISTIAN speakers, etc. etc.!
All that could still be done, minus the high-rise, in a PRIVATELY-OWNED & OPERATED CHRISTIAN apt. complex or low-level hotel/motel (1-2 stories). And now I would add an RV SECTION, a few concrete slabs with full electric/Internet/sewage hookups so CHRISTIANS could come in their OWN RVs if they wanted, & live in their RVs but have the benefit of the facilities (sort of like TBN has at their Trinity RV Park in South FLA! :)
ONE CAN ALWAYS DREAM & HOPE! Feel free to donate your $$ millions $$ so we can get started right away. :) (j/k)
Back to Victoria: I have "known of" her for over 20 years through Natural Hygiene literature, etc. but have never met her nor even corresponded yet (figured I'd watch & wait 'til the day I could get close to possibly visiting out there). I "rediscovered" her site one year ago, January 2011, & at that time learned she had recently opened the little Natural Hygiene fasting & raw-fooder retreat, so I signed up for her emails at that time.
I think some non-Christian Natural Hygiene folks helped fund $$ to set up Victoria's tiny Natural Hygiene health retreat, & that may possibly be why she added the "forewarning" re the below update & "Christian guest" story. Maybe she has to pay those people back some money or whatever, & until then maybe she has to keep all things Christian "low key."
Even so, having to start out her retreat "on the defensive" re Christianity is NOT a good spot to be in (the Devil loves that!) So what can we do?
GO ON THE "OFFENSIVE" INSTEAD!!
BREAK OFF THE SHACKLES!!
STEP OUT IN FAITH!!
TELL THE WORLDLIES TO GO JUMP IN THE LAKE!! :)
Easy for me to say from where I sit, eh? :)
Actually I do have a few ideas but wouldn't do them without having Victoria's permission first. Those ideas are:
•Send emails or letters to the well-known "fasting pastors" like Jentzen Franklin & Bob Rodgers, etc. & ask them to spread the word re Victoria's little hideaway fasting retreat. Once the word gets out to the wider Christian community, it would spread like wildfire... (which then might cause more reservations than Victoria could handle!)
•Write Laurie Crouch a snail mail letter (married to Matt Crouch of TBN) as Laurie is a health nut, & ask her to take either her Hubbie or one of her sons as cameraman & go up to Washington State & visit Victoria's tiny retreat & interview her, shoot a few minutes of film, etc. & show it on TBN during one of their "First To Know" &/or "Behind The Scenes" programs. Talk about spreading the word! Victoria would then probably be overwhelmed & bombarded with reservations!
•Write a short letter to Jan Crouch over at Holy Land Experience in Orlando & "put a bug in her ear" about Victoria's place. Goodness, Jan could make one little phone call, or one little comment on TV or one little comment around the Holy Land Experience park & the whole world would then know re Victoria's retreat. If Victoria could have some brochures printed up, they could be stuck in the "tourist attraction racks" like you see in hotel & airport lobbies, etc.
•Write EVERY CHRISTIAN TV & CHRISTIAN RADIO CHANNEL OWNER IN THE USA & put "bugs in their ears" about Victoria's place, etc.
Now, the "problem" with the Pentecostal-Charismania crowd, is they would probably want to be "casting out demons," etc., lol. Unfortunately, it seems most of the Christians who UNDERSTAND the HEALTH benefits of fasting/raw food, etc. are in the Pentecostal crowd. But, hey, it's an idea. And, as always, the need to be aware of "wolves in sheep's clothing."
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PS: Had two new people sign up at the "Then_Shall_They_Fast" yahoogroup. Welcome! I don't post here very often, btw. Hardly ever as a matter of fact. Any posting I do is at my other blogs:
http://theparadisereporter.wordpress.com/blog (re the lurking New World Order; which has an associated yahoogroup but without any photos online, photos are via email sub only):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Paradise_Reporter
And/or my "strictly Bible" blog:
http://graceparadise.wordpress.com
Almost forgot: I also send copies of these TSTF.yg "health news" emails to a posterous blog (but blogs can't handle "email newsletters" like this -- they never post correctly at blogs as they DO at yahoogroups). One of these days I'll move this posterous blog to wordpress & delete this one:
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From: "Victoria BidWell"
Date: January 20, 2012 7:23:37 AM EST
Subject: OPEN ME � Only if you want a wonderful story from a live-food Christian friend...
January 20th, 2012GREETINGS, livefoodfactorfriends!MI hope you are all well and thriving on enough live-foods to be free of misery and full of energy and high joy!We have almost 2 feet of snow!White, fluffy, breath-takingly beautiful snow!And High is out in it... daintily eating the cold crystals, prancing around in it, digging in it, rolling in it,and -- YES! -- even taking naps in it!And I have been sooooo busy!So many guests have come through whose storiesI have no time to write up right now.I have so many new recipes and live-food secrets to share!But in today's broadcast, I am doing something I have never done before -- dared to share a livefoodfactorfriends' health adventure with ya'll that has a decidedly Christian bent. I hope this will not cause you to unsubscribe!After all -- you were warned:"OPEN ME -- Only if you want to see a wonderful story from a livefoodfactor Christian friend..."I am about to check into The Eagle's Nest for a week. But I will write a couple more times before heading over to The Guesthouse. I am going on a 2-quart a day juice diet of greens with a special recipe of 19 greens and assorted flavor bursts that I will share with you before I go!
The Wilderness Woman's Introduction to The Kim Andrews' Story
M
Except for a 4-week lull in late summer, 2011, and a few days in the fall, I have had a full-to-overflowing Guesthouse for many past months! I was enjoying assisting the guests through their fasts, making new and yummy recipes for them, and the "full-house income" that was allowing me to make new Homestead improvements and to pay off some outstanding bills. I never thought I would actually enjoy the day when The Guesthouse stood empty! But the 4-week lull did me great good while I prepared for another 2 months of a full-house in November and December.
M
When Kim first called, I sensed I was talking with a very mature, very focused, very experienced woman of about 40 and was shocked after about an hour of getting to know each other through 3 phone calls that she was only 25! She knew we would hit if off before I did! She had spent just enough time on www.naturecurerawfoodhealthretreat.com to be able to imagine the profile of the ideal candidate for Our Hygiene Homestead in The Woods and to catch my spirit as The Wilderness Woman with The HighJoy Horse! In fact, she announced during our first talk: "I WILL BE YOUR PERFECT GUEST!"
M
I thought to myself... "That is quite the claim." Since the website opened in May of 2010, I had enjoyed many who fit that bill. But Kim has won the prize!
M
She continued: "I grew up in Alaska with no electricity and no running water." (When I was 56 and High was 6, we had lived in Canada for a full year on a trail ride ranch. And I had no electricity and no running water -- the most adventurous year of my life!) "I started riding when I was 5 and had no saddle." (I started at 6 and had no saddle, either.) "I work for my father in his mechanic shop." (I, too, was a mechanic's daughter and had worked alongside him and ran parts for him and kept books for him until my early 20s.) "And I will be the 'easiest keeper' and 'lowest maintenance' guest you have ever had." (Those are both horse terms that should not be thrown around lightly!) "All I need is a place to hold up, a private room to be by myself for a time of fasting and prayer. I just need DSL Internet and a comfortable bed. You don't even need to check on me most of the days. And I can fix my own meals after the fast." (All of this I knew I could provide.)
M
Kim and I discussed what the $1,000 a week place in Hawaii she had checked out would cost her = $6,000 + airfare. Frankly, I just could not resist the idea of having "THE PERFECT GUEST" to offset the 1 out of 4 who comes through complaining and grouchy, no matter what I do and no matter that they are getting half the price and many times over the comfort and amenities of the pricey places! Unable to avoid the temptation of having "THE PERFECT GUEST," I called her back and knocked $1,000 off the $500 a week rate. And Kim? Smart, young woman that she is? She jumped at the offer! We had both made the reservation process fun for each other! And I knew in my heart from our 3 calls that The Eagle's Nest was about to serve a mighty purpose for this tender soul.
M
Draw nigh to God,
and
He will draw nigh to you.
Cleanse your hands,
ye sinners;
and purify your hearts,
ye double-minded.
James 4:8.
M
"THE KIM ANDREW'S STORY" to follow leaves out sooooo much of her stay here.
M
And I do not want to detract from Kim's spiritual account with reports of how tasty the beverages were, how fun and fancy the meals were, how some of the 25 days of Kim's fast my visit was less than one-minute while she waved me away to tell me she was fine, how spectacular the tail-end of the fall colors were here in Concrete just for Kim, how long and pleasant were Kim's reported walks throughout the fast, how mildly irritated some of the guests were that Kim seldom came out of her room to visit and help them distract them from themselves, how delighted she was with some of The Wilderness Woman's gifts, or how blessed she was to have handed to her GOD'S CHOSEN FAST and FAST YOUR WAY TO HEALTH and THE WEIGH-DOWN DIET.
M
Nor will I go into detail about how Kim without her trusty scale to keep track of her weight lost or about how she arrived not looking overweight at all. I won't detail how she did not look like she had lost that much in a 25-day fast -- until I spied her from the rear-end! Her jeans were soooo baggy! During Kim's very last day here, when she was about to leave in such baggy jeans that I could not resist but take her into town special in to Value Village This is my favorite 2nd-hand store. Here Kim was thrilled to pay only $30 for 2 Levi jackets and 3 pairs of Levi jeans -- all size 5! She was thrilled because she had been pricing just one pair of new jeans at $50 and found that same pair here -- looking brand-new!
I was so happy drive Kim into the big, new bus and train station to see her off. She was headed out to see her mother in Idaho before deciding what else to do with her healthy, happy life -- all to be lived with God's wisdom to guide her! Well, me at 25? I was a lost soul, headed for hell. I was lost but now am found. Kim's mother will be treated with a lovely gift from The Wilderness Woman and The HighJoy Horse, too! Live foods and fasting are anything but new to Kim's mother. How nice to have educated parents to guide these young people! If the rest of the younger generation were a lot more like Kim in sober-minded health habits and staying firmly grounded and rooted in Scripture, I would feel a lot better about what our world is coming to!
M
In the end, Kim was indeed, just as she had promised... "THE PERFECT GUEST!"Because (except for those long walks), she carried out The Correct Natural Hygiene Fast...Because (except for the Internet and telephone time), she rested or slept almost all of the time...
Because (with no exceptions), she broke the fast correctly on small amounts of live-foods...Because she was serious-minded about getting the most out of her time here and did not let herself get distracted...Because she had the Health Seekers' right attitude and kept cheerful and positive...And because she saw me for who I am -- The Wilderness Woman who has spent 10 years and every bit of my resources creating a safe haven at 1/2 the going rate or less for Health Seekers and who just asks for a little appreciation -- and FUN from her Deerly Beloved Guests -- whenever they have it to give!Because she sought first the kingdom of God... and so many wonderful things will now be added unto her life!
THE KIM ANDREWS' STORY
Written from The Eagle's Nest the Night before Kim Took Wing!MMIs not this the fastthat I have chosen?
To loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?Isaiah: 58: 6-7MI was just 23. The most important decision I have ever made or will ever make was in the spring of 2009 when I gave my heart to The LORD Jesus Christ. My life changed in every way for the better from that moment on. Jesus began a work in me that left no detail of my life untouched. He set me free from drugs, alcohol, tobacco, depression, and in their place gave me love, joy, and a peace that passes understanding. Praise Him! As I searched His life-giving Word, I began to learn more of what it means to follow Jesus and that there is no detail too small in the life of His children to go unnoticed by Him. I also learned that my body was the purchase of His blood, purchased as a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit. The Bible in 1 Corinthians 6:19 says: "What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" The Bible also says in 1 Corinthians 10:31: "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."MAlthough I had been set free of free from drugs, alcohol, tobacco, depression that day in 2009, I knew that I was not taking good care of my body by eating too much and of the wrong kinds of food. Also, I was not taking enough time to rest and spend time with The Lord. My spiritual life was suffering as a result. I had known that I needed to make changes in my lifestyle for some time. And I had spent a considerable amount of time reading about nutrition, raw foods, health, and watching documentaries on the problems within the food system. All of the knowledge I was gaining pointed to one thing. I absolutely had to make changes in the way I was living. But even with all the knowledge I had acquired, there is quite a leap between knowing changes need to be made and actually allowing The Lord Jesus to work these changes in you. The cares of this life, the stresses, the deadlines, with the frenzied pace of modern living, they all have a way of taking over if our focus is not on the kingdom of God and seeking His righteousness first. Matthew 6:31-33 says: "Therefore take no thought, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'Wherewithal shall we be clothed?' For after all these things do the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." I determined that I wanted to seek first the kingdom of God.MI had made attempts at change in the past, all of which were short-lived. The Lord convicted me that I needed a total rest, a time to seek Him with my whole heart, to learn His will and regain the health He desired me to have, without distraction or interruption. A fast on water-only was in order. I searched through many web pages and even spoke with some Natural Hygiene doctors, but none of it ever fit together quite right. The timing was always off, or the price was way too high. For whatever reason, I just couldn't quite connect the dots. Then, in my search, I came across Dr. Tosca Hagg and sent her an e-mail. She told me she no longer had her retreat open but directed me to Victoria. I looked at www.naturecurerawfoodhealthretreat.com and decided to give Victoria a call. She was pleasant and very enthusiastic on the phone as she described a peaceful, little retreat in the woods. It was just what exactly I was looking for! I sought the Lord for His will to be done. And by His mighty power, in His perfect time, He put the details together for me. Six weeks later, Victoria BidWell drove up in her PT Cruiser, met me at the bus station in Burlington with a smile, a big hug, and a delicious, fresh, Hygiene Homestead-made pineapple smoothie!MWe arrived at The Homestead in the woods after dark with the hundreds of tiny wilderness lights to greet us. Victoria gave me a tour of the charming, little house before showing me to "The Eagle's Nest" where I would be spending the next six weeks. It was obvious that Victoria had put a lot of effort into making the little green house a home. There were charming hutches filled to the brim with beautiful and interesting dishes, antiques, and a kitchen that had every possible gadget you could dream of! The Eagle's Nest was the best part. It was a quaint, little room -- country/western-themed with over-stuffed chairs, large mirrors, beautiful wall hangings, and complete with a tall electric-flaming fireplace and a like-sized, like-like eagle perched on its nest atop the mantle.MMy fast on water-only began the following morning. I proceeded to hold up in my room like a well-fed brown bear during winter hibernation. In the early part of my fast, I did a lot of sleeping. My body was detoxing and getting much needed rest. As I got deeper into my 25 days of fasting, I began to experience the spiritual benefits I had been seeking. The clarity and solitude I was experiencing allowed me to draw close to The Lord and to hear His voice. When you shut out the world and all its varying demands, and draw close to God, just as He has promised, He will draw closer to you. I began studying all of the texts in the Bible on fasting and was amazed that I found fasting so prominent throughout the entire Old and New Testaments! I wondered why more people do not take advantage of this wonderful experience. Victoria showed me "The Fasting Library" sectioned off in The Homestead Library when I arrived. Then, early in my fast, she handed me two "just for Kim" books on spiritual fasting. These I also found very helpful and inspiring.MVictoria came to visit me every day, mostly after her business days of telephone calls and runs to the Post Office were over. She comes into your room with a smile on her face, and she loves to have fun! I appreciated her thoughtful gifts and surprises and making sure I had everything I needed and our short and long talks. After my fast, she made sure I had plenty of fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds. I even had my own new, miniature frig in my room! On the final day of my stay, we visited a salad bar to share a beautiful meal in each others' company. The best part of our last day together was finally meeting HighJoy -- the beautiful, white, Arabian horse. No one could ever call herself "The Wilderness Woman" without a wild horse to ride. And HighJoy is just that: a cut-proud gelding who acts like a stallion with a mind of his own! He is quite the character and is a master performer if there is a snack involved. Overall, I had a wonderful fasting experience and am coming away a new person with a stronger relationship with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.MA big "THANK YOU!" to Victoria and The HighJoy horse for making all of this possible! My stay would have cost $6,000 anywhere else, and I would have had no Eagle's Nest. But I paid less than half this amount to The Wilderness Woman and had such privacy in The Eagle's Nest! I plan to return to my Nest. And in the meantime, The Wilderness Woman and High left me with a miniature Eagle: her wings spread out and about to take flight -- just to remind me of my quiet time of fasting and prayer at Our Hygiene Homestead in The Woods.MBut those who waiton the LORD shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall runand not be weary,
They shall walkand not faint.Isaiah 40:31
P.O. Box 558, Concrete, WA 98237, USA
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•Victoria's original Natural Hygiene site:
http://www.getwellstaywellamerica.com
http://www.naturecurerawfoodhealthretreat.com
•Sign up for Victoria's emails as one of her "Live Food Factor Friends":
http://www.4livefoodfactorfriends.com
•Victoria's Emails/Archives:
http://archive.aweber.com/4livefoodfactor
•Victoria's first 21 Reports put online in 2009:
http://www.4livefoodfactorfriends.com/no55TZ/download4lfff.html
"These first 21 reports may be hand-made & in black-&-white only. But they hold my very best secrets for making beverages & a variety of some of my best original recipes served at Our Hygiene Homestead in The Woods. I do urge you to open them up & scan through them for yummy live-food drinks & recipes & messages that would really help you!"
•Victoria's 50+ more reports:
http://archive.aweber.com/4livefoodfactor/IoTM2
"These 50+ template-made reports are professional-made & colorful. And they, too, hold original recipes for all kinds of dishes & drinks. Many come with inspiration in "Our Guests' Best Stories." Most hold teachings to move you further along. All are aimed at helping livefoodfactorfriends!!"
Contact The Wilderness Wonderwoman herself here:
Victoria BidWell
P.O. Box 558
Concrete, Washington, 98237
E-Mail: victoriabidwell@...
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