Re: [Structure_Integrator] Marie: Your question is very legitimate
Joseph Heller has an interesting take on "information" in general. He suggests that we call in-formation information because it is in formation, that is not real. Just words and bits and symbols. Not formed yet. If we work with it a bit and study it, then we may come to know it by heart. And still not understand it. Most of us get through school this way....we memorize a lot of information. After some energy into the memorizing and learning by heart and working with it we may begin to have gut feelings about what was previously simple information. The point being that learning and bringing into existence is a whole body experience, the beginning of which is in our head. Which is where this e-group exists. Which means Marie, you may read all you like and receive the 10 sessions a time or two and probably still you will not understand it enough to pass it on to anyone effectively. After a lot of energy and time we may actually get fully grounded into what was previously only in-formation. Everyone will know that we are grounded in this or that subject and our practices will be full and we will be confident. Others will say, "She really has her feet on the ground" in this or that arena. What also seems to be interesting in this realm is that as soon as anyone is fully grounded in any subject then the information is available to anyone else who is fully in touch with the common ground. This is the explanation for the simultaneous inventions and writings that occur throughout the world. Ida Rolf's Ten Session recipe is indeed now in the mystery school status. The rather interesting part about this information is that it is kinesthetic. It is only learned by hands on experience....................Dr. Jim Dohn
Hi Marie, Let me apologize for the cold shower you received, I am glad to see that not all feel the same about your inquiry. Please realize that you are the...
Joseph Heller has an interesting take on "information" in general. He suggests that we call in-formation information because it is in formation, that is not...
Hello Reda, Thank you for your thought provoking insight and informative response. The intellectual property information is very interesting to me. Are SI or ...
Hi Marie, Yes I am sometimes provoking, and I also sometimes regret, especially considering what this particular forum represents. This is the 1st historical...
Reda- Your take on the "elders" or "leaders" or "gurus" of SI is so off base that I have to interject my own opinion. I've read your rants about this subject ...
well put buddy, - and almost as extensive as reda's posts! it is a practice, to be engaged in the experience. words have less to do with it than the ...
Hpk3rd@...
Jun 27, 2002 5:06 pm
Buddy, It is good to hear you. (Buddy and I were classmates at GSI) I must relate to what you are saying, sympathize with your passion, and agree that you may...
marie- you ask a very good question, what do "we" have to lose? "we" are in the process of figuring out who "we" are right now. there are many groups who...
Hpk3rd@...
Jun 27, 2002 8:45 am
Years ago there was a person who reportedly ran to his car after each session to write down what the rolfer did. On this basis he reportedly later began ...
Ronraven@...
Jun 27, 2002 8:30 pm
I would be interested in knowing the name of this reported person. Marie...
In a message dated 6/27/2002 4:54:13 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, tartarean@... writes: <<I would be interested in knowing the name of this reported person. ...
ETOAL4@...
Jun 28, 2002 2:59 am
Eww. Sounds like a real creep. He really "Rolfed" his wife into a wheelchair? Marie...
Thanks Ed. It's important here to not lose the thread of the message of Jack Painter's story which, it seems to me, is about how easy it is to misunderstand...
Ronraven@...
Jun 28, 2002 7:05 am
Well Marie you have a way of just hitting on all of the sore spots. Jack Painter was never a "Rolfer" what he did under the name of Postural Integration had...
Red Wolf
rwolf@...
Jun 28, 2002 8:52 pm
This difficulty in communicating about rolfing with words is not a problem that has anything to do with rolfing. It has to do with the language. For the most...
Ronraven@...
Jun 28, 2002 11:06 pm
To all who having found in me a whipping boy: Actually I enclosed the word "rolfing" in quotation marks to indicate that I knew he was not really performing...
... The word "theraputic" is the key here. Dr. Rolf was adamant that rolfers were not therapists, but educators; teaching the body/mind how to adapt better to...
Dameron, When I had my ten series, one of the things that "sold" me on it was the bit about restoring my body to a state of good posture and a strengthened ...
In a message dated 6/28/2002 7:41:48 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, ... Marie, May I point out that none of the negative comments came from Rolfers? Not trying to...
ETOAL4@...
Jun 29, 2002 6:17 am
Marie, Fellow practitioners, It is important to not that there is a distinction between the consumer's definition of Rolfing and the legal one. Interestingly,...
Marie; Upon reading the postings resulting from your posting it appears that you might have inadvertently stumbled into a den of harmless metaphysicians. I...
Ronraven@...
Jun 29, 2002 6:45 pm
Marie, I didn't intend to make you angry. You have hit on topics that have been sensitive, to me. I am not a Rolfer but I lived in the San Francisco area when...
Red Wolf
rwolf@...
Jun 29, 2002 9:26 pm
Red Wolf, Upon re-reading your post after I already sent my venting post, I saw you were coming from a good space and not as judgmental as it appeared the...
Marie Once again I may not be very popular, but I thought a precison may be indicated. you say: << I have been of the opinion that the work I do is a form of...
These two thoughts contradict eachother. At once you are saying that everyone takes away something different from the training or experience but that there is...
In a message dated 6/29/02 10:07:36 PM Pacific SA Standard Time, ... actually, 'twas i who made that distinction. and it is the most important distinction , i...
Hpk3rd@...
Jun 30, 2002 4:28 am
... Yes. I was redundant. ... movement ... with ... notion So now you're getting into Jungian bodywork! Sounds good. Your description is conceptually...
I hope this is the right address but you got me real hot on the phone last night I went into my bedroom and well, you know but I taped it for you to watch its...
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