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Re: [Structure_Integrator] Hello

Hi Dameron,

Thank you for your response. I agree that there are many practitioners who,
with a little information, will bastardize a theory or technique. I have seen
it myself many times with many modalities. I avoid it at all costs on a
personal level, sometimes to my detriment. As my first posting explained, I
have had the ten series and I have had advanced rolfing. I just didn't
remember the sequence of the treatments. This is an inquiry based on nothing
more than a thirst for knowledge and to look at the connections present in
what I am currently studying, which is St. John's NMT. I find personally that
I learn best through a complex method of connecting the dots. I like to study
that which seems dissimilar and find the similarities. For some reason, this
method helps me fully integrate what I have learned and helps me REMEMBER it,
which is not always easy for me!:) Knowledge from one modality assists with
integrating other modalities, at least for me. I am reading a book by Dr.
Rolf now and am amazed at the likeness to which it relates to my work in NMT,
and I am also very relieved that she takes many things to the deeper level
that I have found lacking in other texts. She has a gift of explaining things
in an easy to understand way. Perhaps after I finish this particular training
I will endeavor out to pursue Rolfing. I am not sure. But thank you for your
response and for not attacking me the way a couple people here have.

Regards,
Marie

In a message dated 6/26/02 6:53:53 AM, dameronm@... writes:

>on Wed, Jun 26, 2002, tartarean@... said something like:
>
>>Tell me, what do you have to lose by sharing some terribly *basic*
>>information with another professional bodyworker? I belong to several
>lists
>>of this nature and have always received and given information freely.
>I
>>couldn't imagine saying to someone "don't ask me that--go take a class
>if you
>>want to know what I know. How dare you for asking." I feel it helps the
>
>>profession when others are aware and informed. What hurts the profession
>is
>>ignorance. If this is the gist of this list, cloaked in a shroud of secrecy
>
>>and if this sort of arrogance is a common attitude among practitioners
>of
>>structural integration, it's no wonder it's still a little known practice.
>
>>This is unfortunate since it is capable of doing so much good.
>>
>>Marie
>>
>
>
>Hi there!
> Yes, i'm afraid that this attitude is more prevalent than i'd like
>to
>admit at times. I think part of it stems from long history: both of a bit
>of irritated pride around the legitimacy and acceptance of our work, and
>many, many people asking questions similar to yours, getting their
>answers, and then going out and saying "Oh, I do that rolfing stuff." (Or
>even, "Oh, I think i'll open a school to teach it!")
> I think another issue is the basic difference in perspective between
>structural integration and massage as a whole. The different context
>underlying the language used can make miscommunication easy.
> The best way to bridge some of this, (if you're interested) might be
>to go and experience a 10-series. This would give you a much more
>concrete understanding than any recipie ever could; I've seen it happen
>time and again, even with my LMT clients. "Oh, *that's* what you mean by
>______."
> Hope this is useful.
>
>

Cheers,
>
>

Dameron
>
>



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My Dear Marie, Wow seems like you could do with a stress management class. Do you always attack everyone baselessly when you don't get what you want. Hm why...
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Hi Dameron, Thank you for your response. I agree that there are many practitioners who, with a little information, will bastardize a theory or technique. I...
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In a message dated 6/25/2002 11:05:05 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, ... Marie, I agree with you. I thought Carl's response to your question was incredibly rude....
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Hi Marie, Let me apologize for the cold shower you received, I am glad to see that not all feel the same about your inquiry. Please realize that you are the...
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Joseph Heller has an interesting take on "information" in general. He suggests that we call in-formation information because it is in formation, that is not...
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Hi Marie, Yes I am sometimes provoking, and I also sometimes regret, especially considering what this particular forum represents. This is the 1st historical...
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Reda- Your take on the "elders" or "leaders" or "gurus" of SI is so off base that I have to interject my own opinion. I've read your rants about this subject ...
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well put buddy, - and almost as extensive as reda's posts! it is a practice, to be engaged in the experience. words have less to do with it than the ...
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Buddy, It is good to hear you. (Buddy and I were classmates at GSI) I must relate to what you are saying, sympathize with your passion, and agree that you may...
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Thank you Ed! I look forward to hearing from you. Marie...
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marie- you ask a very good question, what do "we" have to lose? "we" are in the process of figuring out who "we" are right now. there are many groups who...
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Years ago there was a person who reportedly ran to his car after each session to write down what the rolfer did. On this basis he reportedly later began ...
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I would be interested in knowing the name of this reported person. Marie...
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In a message dated 6/27/2002 4:54:13 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, tartarean@... writes: <<I would be interested in knowing the name of this reported person. ...
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Eww. Sounds like a real creep. He really "Rolfed" his wife into a wheelchair? Marie...
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Thanks Ed. It's important here to not lose the thread of the message of Jack Painter's story which, it seems to me, is about how easy it is to misunderstand...
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Well Marie you have a way of just hitting on all of the sore spots. Jack Painter was never a "Rolfer" what he did under the name of Postural Integration had...
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This difficulty in communicating about rolfing with words is not a problem that has anything to do with rolfing. It has to do with the language. For the most...
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To all who having found in me a whipping boy: Actually I enclosed the word "rolfing" in quotation marks to indicate that I knew he was not really performing...
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... The word "theraputic" is the key here. Dr. Rolf was adamant that rolfers were not therapists, but educators; teaching the body/mind how to adapt better to...
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Dameron, When I had my ten series, one of the things that "sold" me on it was the bit about restoring my body to a state of good posture and a strengthened ...
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In a message dated 6/28/2002 7:41:48 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, ... Marie, May I point out that none of the negative comments came from Rolfers? Not trying to...
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Marie, Fellow practitioners, It is important to not that there is a distinction between the consumer's definition of Rolfing and the legal one. Interestingly,...
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Marie; Upon reading the postings resulting from your posting it appears that you might have inadvertently stumbled into a den of harmless metaphysicians. I...
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Marie, I didn't intend to make you angry. You have hit on topics that have been sensitive, to me. I am not a Rolfer but I lived in the San Francisco area when...
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Red Wolf, Upon re-reading your post after I already sent my venting post, I saw you were coming from a good space and not as judgmental as it appeared the...
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Marie Once again I may not be very popular, but I thought a precison may be indicated. you say: << I have been of the opinion that the work I do is a form of...
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These two thoughts contradict eachother. At once you are saying that everyone takes away something different from the training or experience but that there is...
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In a message dated 6/29/02 10:07:36 PM Pacific SA Standard Time, ... actually, 'twas i who made that distinction. and it is the most important distinction , i...
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