Hi

Sorry a little delayed on this email date - just getting to some
emails and coincidentally I have a person whom I spoke with last nite
- phys therapy assistant student and massage therapy student - and a
many years serious gymnast and for 8 years intense weight lifter.

He has a fracture and a pulled area in his lower back and a stenosis
as well. He is very tight - especially in his hamstrings he said, but
all throughout.

I would agree with Richard Wheeler that it might be safer to let the
surgery widen the vertebral column space first, and then when the
Structural Integration lengthens the structure enough so that the
spine gets a lot freer and straighter, then the movement of the
nerves in the bone column openings can move in an OK environment.

However, I had a different experience last night and would like to
know of anyone with similar information.

I coached this fellow on the phone thru some fascial lengthening
stretching, especially for the adductors and groin, top of hamstrings
and up the whole front - and his lower back was relieved.  Especially
from the leg stuff and then we did more with a little back
stretching.  Apparently he does not have pain in the stenosis area
but it was from very shortened muscles, especially in the legs, and
while he feels very tight and has big arches in the lower back and
neck, his fascia was soft enough so it spread longer with the coached
stretching.

One question I have to people here is that the doctors said his
weight lifting caused the stenosis. He asked them why, and they just
said it was from their experience.  Anyone have any experience with
that.

And, since his own discomfort of tightness was due to very shortened
fascia with a big overall standard imbalance, the condition was
relieved a little with a little stretching to lengthen and ease the
zig zag imbalance some.  I wonder if anyone else has seen that
people's pains were not due to anything in the nerves in the spinal
column but from the muscular tightness coming from the whole
structure.

With his front, legs and then back lengthened a bit, he seemed OK,
more relieved and not put into a bad condition at all.  We even
talked for an hour afterward and he was still fine.

He also said he has a very tight emotionally oriented neuro-muscular
behavior, like, it takes a while for him to relax into any massage.

But it appears from the expereince on the phone that his most major
cause is the tightness of the legs and the front of his torso,
causing the back to stay tight, even if someone tries to give him a
localized massage on his back.  Those folks, not understanding
fascial lengthening in a Structural Integration way, didn't recognize
that the big amount of leg tightness he has and the tightness in the
front, holding in emotions as a family behavior from before birth, is
causing the back to stay tight - and revert to tightness right away
after the local - symptom oriented - massaging - and even fascial
lengthening a little.  They just didn't lengthen enough areas.

Lou Gross


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>    Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:09:43 EDT
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> Subject: Fwd: [HWOnline] Spinal Stenosis?
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>    Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:13:16 EDT
>    From: DoctorDohn@...
> Subject: This is from the Hellerwork list
>
> Good Morning,
> I am wondering if anyone can tell me any successful experiences of
> thier own or with a client, of treating Spinal Stenosis, and what
> your
> approach was?    Thank you, Penny
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>    Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:21:19 -0700
>    From: Michael Vilain <vilain@...>
> Subject: Re: This is from the Hellerwork list
>
> >Good Morning,
> >I am wondering if anyone can tell me any successful experiences of
> >thier own or with a client, of treating Spinal Stenosis, and what
> your
> >approach was?    Thank you, Penny
> >
>
> Firstly, since I make it clear I'm not trying to "fix" anything or
> my
> goals don't include relieving any pain, clients looking for a
> "magic
> bullet" usually go elsewhere or only have a couple sessions.  If I
> have any doubts about working with a client, I ask them to get a
> written note from their primary treating M.D.  Secondly, I don't
> even
> in the wildest reaches of my tenuous spidery meanderings of fancy
> ever refer to "treating" anything.  I "work with clients".  Period.
>
> [so endth the sermon]
>
> I had someone inquire about lumbar stenosis and looked up the
> problem
> on-line.  If I understand the problem, there's calcification and
> narrowing of the vertebral foramen.  People with this flex forward
> to
> avoid pain and pinching of nerve roots.  Since this is purely
> structural and not an area I feel I can affect, I told him that I
> didn't think I could help with this specific problem.  If he was
> looking for Rolfing work to help him straighten up and walk without
>
> pain, I also didn't know if my work could do that.  If he's up to
> try
> it, my session rate is <blah blah blah>.  I didn't hear back from
> him, so it was what I call a "tire kick".
>
> I worked on someone with a cervical stenosis who was in constant
> pain.  We got about 75% complete with the series but it really
> didn't
> fix anything.  Ultimately, he had surgery to remove the restricted
> vertebra and put in a spacer.  It helped somewhat, but I hear he
> still has a moderate amount of pain.
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:02:34 -0500
>    From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
> Subject: Re: This is from the Hellerwork list
>
> A stenosis is a narrowing or constriction of the space (vertebral
> foramen) which the spinal cord must pass through.  It can be
> genetic or
> pathological (ie arthritic, or other -oses or -ites) .  All sorts
> of
> symptoms may be associated with the narrowing given that so much
> restriction can happen and so many core system nerves can be
> affected.
> There is no way our work reaches into the structure at this level.
> We
> do not and cannot change a stenosis.  But we may change the balance
> of
> forces acting on it, and unpredictably, too.  Maybe we can change
> postural contour & reduce angular construction on the cord.  Maybe
> any
> change in postural balance will constrict the cord further.
>
> What is successful treatment?  For the client, perhaps all the
> symptoms
> will vanish.  Most likely not.  Perhaps improved posture resulted
> in
> aggravated symptoms &/or onset of new ones coincident with the
> rendering of the treatments.  Coincidental onset of new symptoms
> sounds
> like ringing a bell for a lawyer's feeding frenzy to me.
>
> What is successful treatment for the Rolfer?  Perhaps the client's
> lawyer will fail to sue for treatments rendered outside the scope
> of
> practice.  Wanna help pay for the patient's surgical procedure?
> Stenosis is waaaay outside our range of practice.
>
> If the surgeon is successful, there will be lots for the Rolfer to
> do
> that easily falls within our range, but not before surgery and
> discharge from PT.
>
> Richard Wheeler
>
> On Oct 25, 2005, at 10:21 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:
>
> >> Good Morning,
> >> I am wondering if anyone can tell me any successful experiences
> of
> >> thier own or with a client, of treating Spinal Stenosis, and
> what your
> >> approach was?    Thank you, Penny
> >>
> >
> > Firstly, since I make it clear I'm not trying to "fix" anything
> or my
> > goals don't include relieving any pain, clients looking for a
> "magic
> > bullet" usually go elsewhere or only have a couple sessions.  If
> I
> > have any doubts about working with a client, I ask them to get a
> > written note from their primary treating M.D.  Secondly, I don't
> even
> > in the wildest reaches of my tenuous spidery meanderings of fancy
> > ever refer to "treating" anything.  I "work with clients".
> Period.
> > [so endth the sermon]
> >
> > I had someone inquire about lumbar stenosis and looked up the
> problem
> > on-line.  If I understand the problem, there's calcification and
> > narrowing of the vertebral foramen.  People with this flex
> forward to
> > avoid pain and pinching of nerve roots.  Since this is purely
> > structural and not an area I feel I can affect, I told him that I
> > didn't think I could help with this specific problem.  If he was
> > looking for Rolfing work to help him straighten up and walk
> without
> > pain, I also didn't know if my work could do that.  If he's up to
> try
> > it, my session rate is <blah blah blah>.  I didn't hear back from
> > him, so it was what I call a "tire kick".
> >
> > I worked on someone with a cervical stenosis who was in constant
> > pain.  We got about 75% complete with the series but it really
> didn't
> > fix anything.  Ultimately, he had surgery to remove the
> restricted
> > vertebra and put in a spacer.  It helped somewhat, but I hear he
> > still has a moderate amount of pain.
> >
>
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Of course, obviously no Structural Integration Practitioners are licensed to
treat any condition.  (Unless they have another license....)  And our work is
always considered "complementary" and not "alternative".  That is why work
with the other, licensed practitioners.  This, together with the dictum of
"first, do no harm" and then the first instruction to the client is "If this
hurts,
please tell me and I will stop", which is part of of Joseph Heller's training,
allows us, I suggest, to provide beneficial help to most any condition.  Some
conditions we may simply provide the beneficiant experience of lite touch
attention.  Anyone in the S.I. realizes the tremendous experience of trust our
work generates from our clients.  Simply the breathing awareness and opening up
is of benefit to most folks....so......here are a couple of different
approaches to Spinal Stenosis.......also check with www.healingbackpain.com for
another approach altogether that does not call for surgery or drugs.......  We
certainly cannot cure or fix anyone but our work can be of value, I suggest. 
And I
certainly try not to hurt anyone............sorry of the length of all this.
Please don't sue me.

Dear Penny,
     Yes, I have had good experience with spinal stenosis.  I could not
cure it and I did not have enough history with the client I am thinking
of to know if we retarded it's progress, but I was able to better her
posture and significantly decrease her pain (which had been
considerable) and have it stay decreased for some time.
     From what I can tell, stenosis causes a major splinting response in
the body, especially in the lower back and pelvis; eventually all
movement is done against that splinting and becomes painful.  Further,
in an effort to reduce the pain the client assumes a forward bending
pose and this further rigidifies the mid and upper back, as well as the
neck and hamstrings and posterior lower legs (pretty much everything
but these areas in particular).  This collapses the chest and decreases
breathing capacity which lowers the pain threshold and increases
anxiety which makes the stenosis that much more threatening.
     I didn't have the luxury of the full series; I saw her only
periodically when she came to town to visit her son.  Rather, I did one
or two sessions each visit, maybe six in total.  The first order of
business was to release her breathing apparatus.  Then, over several
more sessions I worked to relax the low back and pelvis and this
necessitated a lot of work on the areas mentioned above.  I also paid
special attention to the adductors and deep structure and piriformis
and I coached her in relaxing when she moved as she had become
habituated to tightening up.   If you can do an entire series you may
be able to get good results. I suggest that you tell the client that
you may need several more sessions beyond the standard eleven to fully
individuate the work to her needs.   It was not an easy process for my
client but she was very pleased by the results.
     I hope this helps.
Regards,
Howard Rontal


Well done explanation Howard.  I would add that, in some cases of spinal
stenosis...which is a narrowing of the spinal canal...the spinal column has been
continually lengthened and stretched to cause the canal to narrow like a garden
hose that is stretched.  Often these people may be type A high acheivers
attempting to look bigger , from the core, on a routine basis.  Everything that
Howard described I have used also.  Our work, as far as I know, is still the
best intervention...and the best kept secret.  The surgeries are
brutal...Chiropractic hurts..and they still need to learn to breathe
completely.........
Penny, I am still investigating your other request...

Jim Dohn

Hi Howard, Thanks for asking...here goes......
     I once worked for a Dr. Lowell Ward here in Long Beach.  He authored a
new technique and book (The Dynamics of Spinal Stress, 1980).  He would take 4
full spine x-rays of every patient.  Two standing, lateral and A to P and two
sitting, lateral and A to P.  On each x-ray he would take 44 measurments off of
each image.  These would include various angles and distances.  He, along
with an aerospace engineer devised a formula whereby he could input these
measurements and compute the stress factors on the person.  Eventually he began
providing past life histories and predictions for the person's life based on the
stress factors and measurements.  Because of the predictions and the cost of his
initial treatments the insurance companies and the market canceled his votes.
  The first visit with him came to close to $700.00.  He passed away a few
years ago and his son carries on his work.
     One of the measurements he took, (that was my job, by the way, doing the
measurements) was with a boy scout map making device called an opsiometer.
This device has a small wheel attached that when you roll it along it will
record the distance around corners and slopes.  The measurement that is
important
here is the one taken from the lateral x-rays of the length of the spinal
canal.  The distance from the sacral base to the foramen magnum provided an
accurate measurement of the spinal canal.  He found that people who had just had
an
auto accident and were still in a slight state of shock with the eyes wide and
alert would have a spinal column measurement that would be longer than before
the accident.  And conversely with people that recently suffered a painful
loss then the distance would be shorter.  As the patient recovered from the
trauma then the distance would normalize....
     In the face of a real or imagined threat to our existence we, (humans)
will either attempt to fight and run or give up and succumb.  If we fight or run
in the face of the survival threat we will, from deep in our core, attempt to
get bigger and taller..this is the spinal stenosis explanation I offered.  If
we feel totally overwhelmed then from deep in our core we will attempt to
shrink or shorten.  If we are actively engaged in shrinking or shortening from
deep in our core and central nervous system then we may find it necessary to
kick a disc out to allow for a shrinking structure.  Dr. Wards measurements
confirmed that something like this does happen....the column does lengthen and
shrink.  At the IASI convention last week, Tom Meyers had a display of some
German
research that shows the contractile ability of connective tissue.  There have
been similar studies of the contractilability of menningeal tissue.  Either
way the premise is that the bones and muscles have a primary purpose of
protecting and responding to the central nervous system.  So if the nervous
system
says get bigger, the structure will do that.  If the nervous system says forget
it, give up, then the structure will shrink..
     Now, if you couple this information with the possibility that people can
get stuck in the core fight or run response or the core "I give up" response
for decades or a lifetime then you have the possibility of some serious
pathology.  Add to this the remarkable ability of Humans at denial and this
makes a
bit more sense.  Most of us cannot see, explain or accept our core fears or
beliefs about life and ourselves.  We are blind to our own core ways of being.
And we deny it.
     Several hours a week of yoga stretching is nothing compared to years and
years of unacknowledged ways of being that have us be driven to prove we can
succeed and dominate or that we cannot and it is hopeless for us.  This is the
deep down stuff that twists us from the core out.  And occassionally, just
occassionaly we get to tap into this place in our sessions.  People are more
relaxed, serene and confident than they can remember after sessions, right?  For
a
few moments all the threats disappear and we can be....This is where we get
to remember to breathe like babies........Fear being the state of being that
would lead one to want to get bigger and would also severly limit the excursions
of breathing.  As you so accurately described.
     The core place in all of us is not accessible or rememberable...it is a
"read only" memory that is not changeable because it was created when a
survival threat was present.  None of us, or few of us want to accept that we
have
behaviors over which we have no control.  Yet, the only way to begin to get
control is to accept that we are dong it and have no control.  That is the first
step.  We have this built in "surviving mode" that keeps us going no matter
what...and we will deny that it has any influence over us.  Very deep,
formidible
and all encompassing.........that is what we are engaging with
Hellerwork..........pretty big deal, I say.  And each session I attempt to bring
some honor
and promise rather than victimhood to the client.  Doesn't have to be much.
     This all makes some sense if we consider the possibility that we really
are the source of all of our actions and pathologies.  This is a tough pill to
swallow and it is best used as a place to come from rather than an an
accusatory diagnosis.  No one would intentionally give themselves cancer or aids
or
spinal stenosis...yet we as health care practitioners can gently and with a lot
of sensitivity consider that somehow, with love as a motivation, we have
contributed to our own difficulties. Maybe we have agreed to work through some
of
the issues that plagued our parents.  Maybe we are participating in bringing
awareness to the culture of some unique circumstance.  Maybe we do not know why
we have taken on this struggle or pathology but if we can consider that maybe
we had something to do with it ourselves then some of the victimhood
disappears.  Without accussing or even telling my patients and clients I quietly
look
for how they could have brought this situation on themselves.  In twenty years
of doing this I have yet to come across anyone who simply "had an accident".
With a little bit of safety, bodywork and gentle questions the underlying
emotional stress or trauma or historical grief that accompanied the "accident"
gets revealed.  And it does no good whatsoever to confront anyone directly with
this information...it will lead to guilt, shame and anger and you will lose a
client......best to share something that may relate of your own experience and
let the client take it and run or not.
     It just maybe that the component of denial or unrecognizability, rather
than the stretching of yoga, is the tension that leads to the pathology.
     And then, on the other hand, I may have had too much coffee today.
     Thanks for asking Howard and keep up the great work and great responses
on this list.  I look forward to reading whatver you post.

     Jim Dohn



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just someone who is letting himself get rolfed now :-)

i was reading the mails and wonder if there are rolfers combining ph
technics with rolfing and if they get good results of that ?

from what i learnt a lot of acidty get stored in the fascia...
until the body can remove them at night, if the body is sick, acid, or not
having enough minerals (what is almost the same things), it cant...
and it has to do with calcium levels that are pulled from the bones to fight
the acidty...together with other minerals..

so working on this can help heal i guess
(u've got the diets and u got bicarbonate/citric acid/seasalt etc)

just a question btw...ph is an almost alternative medical issue,
so dont know in how far people go in health to use this..

i am trying it, it is kind of logical for me...

but everyone believes what he wants...
i'm just trying to get my back healthy again (schueurmann) and i never
reached that with metal implants (which i have, can u imagine) or any
regular medical thing...

baai!

This is from our Australian Hellerwork Practitioner Faculty Person that has
personnally had two hip replacements, Linda McClure.....

Hi Jim,  Glad to comment about this – I am usually careful not to do anything
much on the wound area until a month or so out, and then only gently gently
as with some people massage can make the scar bigger as it stimulates collagen
production.  On the other hand just about everywhere else needs balancing.
Once around 4 to 6 weeks has gone past I start working on the inside line or
deep front line including the psoas which pretty much always gets a hammering in
the lead up to the replacement as the whole hip area struggles with the pain
and compensation.  Often the hip flexors are pretty short as are the hamstrings
which tend to get very locked up, partly because of the pain beforehand and
restriction through the hip, and partly from the trauma of the operation when
they dislocate the hip.  If the person is older and does not have much tone in
the gluteals, I go carefully there as too much work in this area can
destabilize the hip and make it prone to dislocation in their case they need to
build
muscle up.  Any kind of water therapy is good – being supported by the water
means that the person can explore their range of motion and gently encourage
more flexibility and strength.  Of course there is the question of taking time
to
heal and this can’t be stressed enough.  Even with all the greatest therapy
one has to wait for the body to do its healing and that’s that.  A person can
likely expect to be in rehab from a hip replacement for about 10 months or even
more before they really feel confident and strong on their new joint.  I also
encourage lots of Vit C for tissue repair, take arnica  post operatively
unless they are already taking blood thinner for hear conditions and of course
drinking plenty of water.
Movement work is imperative to bring back proper gait patterns post
operatively, and encourage them to take time to walk evenly, even if it means
that they
are walking much slower than usual.  The use of a cane can be helpful after
crutches have been finished with to help keep the walking even – its important
to really work with them around this to see exactly how they are walking and
whether or not they are able to give their old protective patterns away.
Sometimes there still can be pain when walking especially if they are over eager
and throw their crutches away too soon.
The best replacement on the market is the minimally invasive hip replacement
option which has 50% less soft tissue damage than the usual conventional
replacements.  I had this option done on me at Xmas and was back at work in 3 ½
weeks and feeling good.  The usual recovery time is anywhere from 6 weeks to 3
months.  Hope this is helpful.

Best to you Jim - Linda



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A stenosis is a narrowing or constriction of the space (vertebral
foramen) which the spinal cord must pass through.  It can be genetic or
pathological (ie arthritic, or other -oses or -ites) .  All sorts of
symptoms may be associated with the narrowing given that so much
restriction can happen and so many core system nerves can be affected.
There is no way our work reaches into the structure at this level.  We
do not and cannot change a stenosis.  But we may change the balance of
forces acting on it, and unpredictably, too.  Maybe we can change
postural contour & reduce angular construction on the cord.  Maybe any
change in postural balance will constrict the cord further.

What is successful treatment?  For the client, perhaps all the symptoms
will vanish.  Most likely not.  Perhaps improved posture resulted in
aggravated symptoms &/or onset of new ones coincident with the
rendering of the treatments.  Coincidental onset of new symptoms sounds
like ringing a bell for a lawyer's feeding frenzy to me.

What is successful treatment for the Rolfer?  Perhaps the client's
lawyer will fail to sue for treatments rendered outside the scope of
practice.  Wanna help pay for the patient's surgical procedure?
Stenosis is waaaay outside our range of practice.

If the surgeon is successful, there will be lots for the Rolfer to do
that easily falls within our range, but not before surgery and
discharge from PT.

Richard Wheeler

On Oct 25, 2005, at 10:21 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:

>> Good Morning,
>> I am wondering if anyone can tell me any successful experiences of
>> thier own or with a client, of treating Spinal Stenosis, and what your
>> approach was?    Thank you, Penny
>>
>
> Firstly, since I make it clear I'm not trying to "fix" anything or my
> goals don't include relieving any pain, clients looking for a "magic
> bullet" usually go elsewhere or only have a couple sessions.  If I
> have any doubts about working with a client, I ask them to get a
> written note from their primary treating M.D.  Secondly, I don't even
> in the wildest reaches of my tenuous spidery meanderings of fancy
> ever refer to "treating" anything.  I "work with clients".  Period.
> [so endth the sermon]
>
> I had someone inquire about lumbar stenosis and looked up the problem
> on-line.  If I understand the problem, there's calcification and
> narrowing of the vertebral foramen.  People with this flex forward to
> avoid pain and pinching of nerve roots.  Since this is purely
> structural and not an area I feel I can affect, I told him that I
> didn't think I could help with this specific problem.  If he was
> looking for Rolfing work to help him straighten up and walk without
> pain, I also didn't know if my work could do that.  If he's up to try
> it, my session rate is <blah blah blah>.  I didn't hear back from
> him, so it was what I call a "tire kick".
>
> I worked on someone with a cervical stenosis who was in constant
> pain.  We got about 75% complete with the series but it really didn't
> fix anything.  Ultimately, he had surgery to remove the restricted
> vertebra and put in a spacer.  It helped somewhat, but I hear he
> still has a moderate amount of pain.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

>Good Morning,
>I am wondering if anyone can tell me any successful experiences of
>thier own or with a client, of treating Spinal Stenosis, and what your
>approach was?    Thank you, Penny
>

Firstly, since I make it clear I'm not trying to "fix" anything or my
goals don't include relieving any pain, clients looking for a "magic
bullet" usually go elsewhere or only have a couple sessions.  If I
have any doubts about working with a client, I ask them to get a
written note from their primary treating M.D.  Secondly, I don't even
in the wildest reaches of my tenuous spidery meanderings of fancy
ever refer to "treating" anything.  I "work with clients".  Period.
[so endth the sermon]

I had someone inquire about lumbar stenosis and looked up the problem
on-line.  If I understand the problem, there's calcification and
narrowing of the vertebral foramen.  People with this flex forward to
avoid pain and pinching of nerve roots.  Since this is purely
structural and not an area I feel I can affect, I told him that I
didn't think I could help with this specific problem.  If he was
looking for Rolfing work to help him straighten up and walk without
pain, I also didn't know if my work could do that.  If he's up to try
it, my session rate is <blah blah blah>.  I didn't hear back from
him, so it was what I call a "tire kick".

I worked on someone with a cervical stenosis who was in constant
pain.  We got about 75% complete with the series but it really didn't
fix anything.  Ultimately, he had surgery to remove the restricted
vertebra and put in a spacer.  It helped somewhat, but I hear he
still has a moderate amount of pain.

Good Morning,
I am wondering if anyone can tell me any successful experiences of
thier own or with a client, of treating Spinal Stenosis, and what your
approach was?    Thank you, Penny


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Hello Group:

Do we have any before/after portraits the front, sides & back of
people's heads?  I'm looking for images that can be shared in informal
communications with researchers in areas like physical anthropology.

My Best,

Richard Wheeler

Hi,
I had a client that had a double hip replacement, that wanted to get
back on her horse [literally].  I started the series with her pretty
much as soon as she was done with her physical therapy.  I did the
series, plus a couple extra-and followed the protocol.  There were a
couple of differences, tho,  When a person has a hip replacement,
they are not supposed to cross the midline of their body, but they
can go into as much abduction as possible-and any other movement as
well, so that is where I concentrated.  Also, I was very careful to
include the feet, pelvic girdle, and neck in most of the sessions.
The awareness of the need for balance and trust of the affected side
is very important.
Hope that helps
Aimee' Ratner
Certified KMI Practitioner
On Oct 21, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Carol wrote:

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Subject: [Structural_Integration] The new BenchWorks bench.

Hi Everyone.  It has been a very long time since I have been on this
board.  I've been rather busy (more kids...).

However, I have started up a new venture that I hope some of you may
be interested in (don't worry, it is directly related to SI).

I have designed a new bench for Structural Integration.  I'm calling
my company BenchWorks.  It is a simple adjustable bench made of
Photo-Laminate birch plywood from Finland (comes in 5 beautiful
colors; red, green, yellow, natural, and black).  The unique thing
about this bench is the seat adjusts using a vine shaped ratchet
system (patent pending).  One simply shifts the seat out of the
slot, raises or lowers up or down, and then sets it back into the
desired slot.  Smooth and quick.  Works beautifully!

The BenchWorks bench is being sold for $275 (plus shipping).

If any one is interested in checking it out go to
www.EliThompson.com.  Hope you like it and if you have any comments
or questions, don't hesitate.

Eli Thompson. KMI

PS.  I will be at the IASI symposium this weekend.  If any of you
are coming stop by my booth.  See you there!








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Dear Colleagues,
Over the past several weeks I've begun working on a new improved
imaging system based on the ImageJ program from NIH.  This program is
written in the Java programing language so it is cross platform
(running on Windoze, Mac and Linux).  I have a preliminary set of
macros to offer.  Warning!!  These are 'beta' software, and assume
your willingness to tinker a little with your computer to get them
working.  They have been tested in both Mac and Windoze (but not
Linux) and work.  They are designed to work with a digital camera
only at this point.  This means you will need to take the pictures
and then download them to your computer for processing in ImageJ with
the macro set I am providing.

ImageJ is in the public domain and these macros are are also.  The
are free for you to use and alter as you see fit.


-Instructions-

1) You must download and install ImageJ

http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij/

http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij/download.html

and be sure to update to the current beta version here

http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij/notes.html

You also need to download the macros from my site:
Windows:
http://homepage.mac.com/jefflinn/ImageJ/winStartupMacros.txt

Mac:
http://homepage.mac.com/jefflinn/ImageJ/macStartupMacros.txt

I'll have Linux by sometime in mid-December

1) For the time being you must be enough of a propeller head (or hire
one) to figure out the ImageJ installation process from the
documentation on the ImageJ site.  Later I hope to document this for
everyone else.  Once you've installed ImageJ:
Remove the suffix (win or mac) from the StartupMacros.txt file (which
I will send you) and place the macros into the ImageJ/macros folder
(in the ImageJ folder). The new macro commands will show up in the
Plugins>Macros menu.
- Create a directory (folder) in the ImageJ folder entitled 'Images'.


2) These macros are currently set up to work with a digital camera.
You must know how to use your digital camera, download images to your
computer and find the directory (folder) they are in after they've
been downloaded.  NOTE:  Digital images from cameras tend to be very
large (the ones I'm working with are about 8-9MB each).  You need a
lot of RAM for this system to run at more than a snails pace!

You must create and save in the ImageJ directory a standard region of
interest (ROI).
      a) Open one of the pictures you are going to save (hopefully
with a client standing there as a reference).
      b) Use the rectangle selection tool to select just the area you
want to use.
      c) With the selection (ROI) active go to 'File>Save As>Selection'
      d) Change the name to CROP.roi, set the directory to ImageJ and
click on the 'OK' button


3) You will download the images (front/left/back/right) to your
computer, open them in ImageJ and then execute the 'Create File'
macro.  The program should autodetect the bit depth of the photo
(insert short prayer to the patron saint of highly improbable
outcomes here) and then build a file to store the pictures in.
Images are automatically stored in the the "ImageJ/Images" directory/
folder that you created in step 1 above.  If this folder doesn't
exist you will get a macro error.  (I haven't finished this yet and
still need to implement a protective feature that warns you if you
are about to save over an existing file).

4) To open file use the 'Open Files' macro from the Plugins>Macros
menu.  This opens a pull down dialog box with a list of the contents
of the "ImageJ/Images" directory/folder.

5) To compare open the the image files you wish to compare (you can
open and compare a complete ten series if you want!) and execute the
'Comparison Stacks' macro from the Plugins>Macros menu.  You compare
the images by using the < and > keys to cycle through the stack.

6) To align images:
      a) Execute the 'Register Images' macro from the Plugins>Macros
menu.
      b) On the Mac:
              Hold down the shift key and click on a point in the
first image
              Hold down the option key and click on a point in the
second image
          In Windoze:
              Click on the point in the first image with the left
mouse button
              Hold down the control (ctrl) key and click with the left
mouse button on the point in the second image
          c) The two points will align over one another (for example
if you click on the malleoli in one image and the malleoli in the second
             image, the two malleoli will be aligned.)



Jeff Linn
...inspired by the vision of Ida P. Rolf

Hi Everyone:

Does anyone have an on-line source of information for simple,
standardized craniofacial measurments?  I'm looking for anatomical
reference points and diagrams.  Backup info that would be useful
includes normal range of variation & common measurement errors.

I am interested in measuring coronal & saggital plane & cranial
circumference ('hat size').

Yes, I have found references to basic textbooks on this subject on-line
but am not really interested in paying $85 to $325 thru Amazon!

Thanks!

Richard Wheeler

Thank you Tom Meyers,
For your guts to act,
Structural Integration is alive and well,
We’re professionals, that’s a fact.

My gratitude is to Joseph,
My life is a miracle and joy,
The training, the wisdom, the lifestyle,
Hellerwork is my favorite toy.

The tip of the hat goes to Ida,
Our Grand Leader who pointed the way,
Or maybe elbowed and knuckled with love,
To give us this glorious day….

Bellevue Washington
2005,
Over 360 of us gathered,
Keeping Ida Rolf alive.

Marilyn Beech was the Den Mother,
Planning, coordinating and comforting,
Kind of like herding cats, this crowd,
Marilyn is a grounded Saint………

Even when it doesn’t rhyme,
Marilyn makes it work somehow.
Thank you Marilyn.

Yoga with Annie Stocker,
With vendors to help us grow,
World class speakers,
Tom Meyers throws a heckuva show.

Friday night opening,
Deane Juhan of “Job’s Body” fame,
Funny, eloquent, knowdgeable and funny,
This work is Deane Juhan’s game.

Saturday brought Rosemary Feitis,
The word straight from our common source,
The afternoon with Louis Schultz,
The two of them, together, I cried,
Of course………………………..

  Breakout sessions from the best of our best,
We’ve got some gifted and talented peers,
Each had something important to teach,
Have been honed by experiences years…

Salsa on Saturday night,
Wow, we really know how to move,
All those aligned Rolf Lines,
Keeping time in a Salsa groove.

Sunday morning with James Oschman,
Providing darshan with his scientific bless,
A colleague and friend of everyone,
From Ida Rolf, to Albert Einstien, to yes….

Kudos and gratitude to all the little people,
Like me that contributed behind the scenes,
Like any tensegrity structure we know,
We all provided the means………..

Thank God for our wonder filled family,
The IASI blanket covers us all
Ida, you’re work is alive and well……….
And together, we have a ball……..

There’s opportunities for growth,
This Structural tree is branching out,
Be a pioneer, join the quest…..
The future’s not for those that pout.

Today the giants are moving,
And they are taking the trains….
The Anatomy trains are our future,
It’s where obvious and logic reigns.

So get on board and volunteer,
There’s something for each to do,
One lifetime isn’t very long…
This work will continue after we are through.

Poetry’s not for peer reviewed journals,
‘Course neither are the tears of a session,
The laughter, too, that gets unconcealed,
As we free up an emotional confession.

  I love our work and even more still,
I love the people who’ve been attracted,
We Practitioners are the best of the best,
I can honestly say I love you all…….

Thanks for a great life,

Jim Dohn



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Hi Everyone.  It has been a very long time since I have been on this
board.  I've been rather busy (more kids...).

However, I have started up a new venture that I hope some of you may
be interested in (don't worry, it is directly related to SI).

I have designed a new bench for Structural Integration.  I'm calling
my company BenchWorks.  It is a simple adjustable bench made of
Photo-Laminate birch plywood from Finland (comes in 5 beautiful
colors; red, green, yellow, natural, and black).  The unique thing
about this bench is the seat adjusts using a vine shaped ratchet
system (patent pending).  One simply shifts the seat out of the
slot, raises or lowers up or down, and then sets it back into the
desired slot.  Smooth and quick.  Works beautifully!

The BenchWorks bench is being sold for $275 (plus shipping).

If any one is interested in checking it out go to
www.EliThompson.com.  Hope you like it and if you have any comments
or questions, don't hesitate.

Eli Thompson. KMI

PS.  I will be at the IASI symposium this weekend.  If any of you
are coming stop by my booth.  See you there!

Richard A. Hoska,

I have worked on two brothers with Charkot Marie Toooth Disease.  They were
brothers who
it seems had it passed down from their father.  They were about 18 and 21, and
in good
health otherwise although I do remember both seemed to smoke a lot of
marijahanna. I was
new at SI, I was trainned to do the 10 series, so that was what I did.
When the older brother saw how well his younger brother got from SI he came in
for the ten
series. They looked better and they liked the work.After the older brother
finished, their
mother came for the 10 series. This told me that something good had happened,
this woman
was no fool.The mom was happpy for her children.
I haven't worked on anyone else with the poblem since.  I would probably do
basically the
same thing to day only hopefully alittle better as I have more expierience now.
Janna

Hello,

A second question today for this group. Has anyone had any experience
working with a client who has CMT(or other similiar neuro muscular in
nature). Possible client are a Father (on set later in life) and 9YO
Daughter.
Any feedback would be welcome.  Thanks.
                                 Richard A. Hoska

Hello,

I am writing to see if anyone has had expereience working with anyone
who has been burned and have scar tissue and related damage. Potential
client was burned over a fair portion of one side of the body.
Just wondering about anyone's expereience. What worked, didn't...
Whatever feedback would be nice. Thanks.
                               Richard A. Hoska

Re:  Parkinsons - Hi:

I worked on one man who'd had Parkinsons' and for him, too, there
were good benefits,  When he then took his meds, the lengthening I
did for him enabled him to seem to walk somewhat normally again.  I
did a lot of whole body over all stuff - pelvis, legs and thighs -
and I did a lot of outside of the head and face (not inside the mouth
and nose) and the neck and back and chest and uplifing the abs.  He
was 63 yrs old and had been very bunched up in the face and head from
the strain as well as the average typical head tightness we all get.
His grown son and the helping neighbor noticed the changes were
significant.  They remarked it to me at their own initiative.  This
probably agrees with what you are doing and with some kinds of
responses from some people you are getting.  So we do well in this
area as you said.

Parkinson's nerve-muscle condition is, as one would expect, a
physiological-nutritional-(pathogen) condition.  Since the muscles
and nerves require a large amount of cal-mag-potassium and other
minerals, and B-vits across the board, I used to give this man fresh
carrot juice with Dr Schulze's Superfood product which is loaded with
B-Vits in easy to assimilate form (Superfood info:
http://www.herbdoc.com)  -- and it helped him when he tood it -
didn't fix the whole structural condition as he only took a little -
but what he did ingest did show up in more relaxation and a
'Brighter" whole energy presentation.  I have routinely found that
kelp seaweed in large, large doses, powdered and/or sticks soaked in
water, helps people a lot with neuro-muscular aspects, as they have a
lot of minerals in them, and I always see that carrot and green
vegetable juices helps the muscles and fascia get softer and more
plyable and stretchable.

There is one school of thought that says small parasites, or bacteria
or virus are causing the nerve issue.  You can research this somewhat
thru Hulda Clark PhD, book The Cure for All Diseases, (Dr Clark info
site as well) and thru Hanna Kroeger's Store - Website, the store is
in Boulder Colorado. Some people have electonic machines, Intero and
Vega and Dermatron and so forth, that can test for this.  Hulda Clark
doesn't publish anything until she has accumulated a lot of testing
before and after treatment results - and some actual physical
changes.  Hanna Kroeger was the Grand Dame of finding a lot of these
things out.  She once analyzed me correctly energetically over the
phone.  And she taught a lot of MD's and ND's who were interested.  I
went to two and they were accurate.  I don't know if you or this
person are open to this, but I just share the info because you asked.
  In any event, the nutrition will help, even if there are pathogens,
as the person's stucture could benefit from it.

While I do not have medical or similar studies about the Structural
Integration treatment I do have some very good booklets I wrote that
explain accumulated shortness in the fascia, the differences between
this and massage, trigger point therapy and acupressure, how it helps
with chiropractic, what the anatomy of fascia and muscle fibers is
all about, different kinds of tightness caused pain, an
interconnected relengthening approach, and some simple yet layperson
details about the principles of the treatment and the steps of the
recipe, and how it helps physical movements and even how it helps
people so called psychologically.

They have been very helpful for many people and some Structural
Integrators call me from time to time and say they use these for
info.  They are on my website and I will be happy to email you the
address URL's and you may copy the articles - some even have free PDF
downloads.  I'd post the URL here but I have been cautioned by the
administrators to not advertise, and things like that.  I only offer
you these writeups because they have helped a lot of people initially
understand what we are doing.  louisryoshin@...   They are not
anything you, yourself do not know, just that they're written in a
clear and organized way (people tell me) so that the people you
mentioned can at least get some explanation.

Best - Lou Gross
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>    From: "breathelight" <breathelight@...>
> Subject: questions about working with parkinson's disease
>
> Hi-
>
> I have a client that has been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.
> I
> would love to talk to another practitioner who has worked on
> someone
> with this condition.  We have done three sessions and he is getting
> great results.  He does, however, struggle with the feeling that he
> doesn't have control over his muscle tonacity, ie: he has a hard
> time
> letting go.  I beleive that he should be able to regain some
> ability
> to relax, but want to keep my expectations realistic.  Any
> thoughts?
>
> I am also looking for any documented cases of parkinson's sufferers
> benefiting from SI.  He and I can tell that it is helping, and his
> physical therapist sees improvement also, but his wife, pain
> management specialist, and neurologist would like to better
> understand
> what SI is doing for him.
>
> Thanks so much
>
> sara
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
>    Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 06:03:02 +0200
>    From: obd <obd@...>
> Subject: parkisnon and SI
>
> Hi Sarah,
> I did work with a few Parkinson effected clients.
> No matter what stages they were at, they all benefited from the
> work
> immensely. Obviously we can't cure their condition. Our work
> together can,
> however, improve their balance which is a huge thing!
> He does, however, struggle with the feeling that he
> doesn't have control over his muscle tonicity, i.e.: he has a hard
> time
> letting go.  I believe that he should be able to regain some
> ability to
> relax, but want to keep my expectations realistic.  Any thoughts
> Apart from just doing the recipe as best you can, there is a way of
> working
> with that condition.
> At advanced stages the tend to "freeze" in mid-step. for this and
> relearning
> how to relax the muscles, you may want to have your client recreate
> the
> uncomfortable situation on their own initiative. i.e.:1) contract
> the
> muscles then stop contracting (not thinking "let go") as much as
> they can;
> 2) stop in mid step and freeze for a bit of a time and at the same
> time
> breath into what Dr/ Rolf used to call the "Horizontal" breathing
> line: the
> 2 points at the side of the ribcage, about "nipples high".
> This horizontal breathing (thanks to Dr. Dorothy Nolte for
> reintroducing it)
> is also very good anytime they get stressed about the things they
> can't do.
> It sends a message to the brain and the Autonomic nerves system at
> the same
> time, of letting go.
> That's all for now
> Orna Bat David
>
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> Subject: my mail just now about parkinson's
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Thanks
Orna


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Hi Sarah,
I did work with a few Parkinson effected clients.
No matter what stages they were at, they all benefited from the work
immensely. Obviously we can't cure their condition. Our work together can,
however, improve their balance which is a huge thing!
He does, however, struggle with the feeling that he
doesn't have control over his muscle tonicity, i.e.: he has a hard time
letting go.  I believe that he should be able to regain some ability to
relax, but want to keep my expectations realistic.  Any thoughts
Apart from just doing the recipe as best you can, there is a way of working
with that condition.
At advanced stages the tend to "freeze" in mid-step. for this and relearning
how to relax the muscles, you may want to have your client recreate the
uncomfortable situation on their own initiative. i.e.:1) contract the
muscles then stop contracting (not thinking "let go") as much as they can;
2) stop in mid step and freeze for a bit of a time and at the same time
breath into what Dr/ Rolf used to call the "Horizontal" breathing line: the
2 points at the side of the ribcage, about "nipples high".
This horizontal breathing (thanks to Dr. Dorothy Nolte for reintroducing it)
is also very good anytime they get stressed about the things they can't do.
It sends a message to the brain and the Autonomic nerves system at the same
time, of letting go.
That's all for now
Orna Bat David


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi-

I have a client that has been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.  I
would love to talk to another practitioner who has worked on someone
with this condition.  We have done three sessions and he is getting
great results.  He does, however, struggle with the feeling that he
doesn't have control over his muscle tonacity, ie: he has a hard time
letting go.  I beleive that he should be able to regain some ability
to relax, but want to keep my expectations realistic.  Any thoughts?

I am also looking for any documented cases of parkinson's sufferers
benefiting from SI.  He and I can tell that it is helping, and his
physical therapist sees improvement also, but his wife, pain
management specialist, and neurologist would like to better understand
what SI is doing for him.

Thanks so much

sara

thanks Archie
As they say in Boston....wicked cool
Aimee' Ratner
Certified KMI practitioner
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http://www.biomotionlab.ca/Demos/BMLwalker.html

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619.861.3232

Hi there,
"I am thinking of creating a new type of meeting where people can share in a
more
"realtime" format. The impetus for this came from my meeting with a number of SI
"...
Based on the wonderfull experiance we have in Israel with a similar
idea/situation, I think it's a very good idea to have an ongoing sharing of
experiance, ideas and - yes - even hardships and ways of dealing with them.An
on-line forum (if I understand correctly) will be great.
We have the advantage,in Israel, of living in a very small country so we meet
phisically every 5-6 weeks of so in somebody's house. For instance last time we
worked with the pelvice, anatomy and movements etc. So we keep evolving and
learning, enriching each other with the benefit of our experiance and indevidual
learning.

I see this, and the work we do to bring Dr. Rolf's work to the public, along
with working with the oficial status of SI/Rolfing in the country the very
essence of our community.
All the best,
Orna Bat David



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Hi there,
I sent an email to jpascu@... that bounced back.
--garrell

On Oct 3, 2005, at 5:10 PM, mev94303y wrote:

> [the following is posted at the request of Jim Pascucci]
>
>  I am thinking of creating a new type of meeting where people can
> share in a more
>  "realtime" format. The impetus for this came from my meeting with a
> number of SI
>  practitioners whose practices are not doing that well.
>
>  The new meeting is based on using NetMeeting,�a free Microsoft
> product. The first several
>  meetings will be about practice building. I am asking Cosper Scafidi,
> a Rolfer and MBA in
>  Marketing to present to us a presentation he gave at the last Rolf
> Institute Annual meeting
>  on this subject.
>
>  I realized that I had mentioned this to the Rolf Forum and that it
> may be of interest to a
>  wider SI community. Please feel free to contact me if you are
> interested or if you have
>  questions at jpascu@...
>
>  [moderator's note: Netmeeting is currently only available on Windows
> systems]
>

[the following is posted at the request of Jim Pascucci]

I am thinking of creating a new type of meeting where people can share in a more
"realtime" format. The impetus for this came from my meeting with a number of SI
practitioners whose practices are not doing that well.

The new meeting is based on using NetMeeting,�a free Microsoft product. The
first several
meetings will be about practice building. I am asking Cosper Scafidi, a Rolfer
and MBA in
Marketing to present to us a presentation he gave at the last Rolf Institute
Annual meeting
on this subject.

I realized that I had mentioned this to the Rolf Forum and that it may be of
interest to a
wider SI community. Please feel free to contact me if you are interested or if
you have
questions at jpascu@...

[moderator's note: Netmeeting is currently only available on Windows systems]

Hi Structural Integrators

For a few weeks, the buzz has been that the IASI Symposium in
Seattle, October 14 - 16 has been full up and thus closed to any more
folks who wanted to attend.  After some negotiation with the Hyatt,
we have been able to obtain more space, so:

Registration is open again.  Come.

Nearly 400 SI practitioners, mostly from Rolf, Heller, and Guild, but
some from each of about 10 smaller schools as well, plan to attend
this gathering, as well as vendors and about 20 breakout workshops.
We will hear from Deane Juhan, as well as the original voices of
Rosemary Feitis, Louis Schultz, and Jim Oschman.  We will also be
celebrating Peter Melchior's life and widespread influence.

This meeting will also set the tone for the next phase of research,
communication among schools and faculty on curriculum, our future
path with legislation and competency assurance, exams and evaluative
processes, and just generally making the best use of the resurgent
interest in SI, and this opportunity to band and bond together.

Come be part of it, make your voice heard.

Thanks, Tom Myers



And Amy, thanks for this link below.  It led down some great alleyways.


On Sep 17, 2005, at 12:04 AM, Amy Adamczak wrote:



> For your viewing pleasure.  Antique images from the National
> Institute of Health Library.
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/dreamanatomy/
>
> AA