Yup, going deeper into psoas, hamstrings, inside of head and
adductors has done a lot more of the trick.  Lots of intersonnected
deep releases up and down the whole body.  Tnx, Lou

--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, "louisryoshin"
<louisryoshin@y...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like some ideas - help.  I have been working with a woman
who
> has been extremely tight all the way down to the bones for years -
from
> many years of running and also childhood emotional tightness.  I
have
> been making very good progress and she is more erect, looser, and
> flexible than she has been in years - one part of the structure
> loosening is helping others release - and I can push right thru the
> thighs ro the quads from the hamstrings - so it is all getting a
lot
> better.  She has also improves her diet and we have done a large
amount
> of old emotional releases from the structure and organs, too.
>
> Now the problem.
>
> When she lies flat on her back, the back lies flat on the table -
but
> when she sits up she gets bulging erector muscles all the way up
> starting from the base of the spine - and there is a notch of the
> vertebrae between them.  If she stands up - same bulges and
> indentation.  When she bends over from the waist about 45 deg give
or
> take, the bulges and notch go away.
>
> She also has the left leg tighter than the right up thru the
thigh.
> Even tho I have done the thighs rather deeply, and also pushed a
LOT on
> the abs to open them and lift the rib cage - when she bends over
you
> could see the lower back being tight and being held by what feels
like
> the legs.
>
> when she has the rear legs longer than the front of the body - she
gets
> a nice sturdy-light uplift but also a pain in the left lower back
just
> above the buttocks and even a pull down in the left side of the
face.
> She has a notch in the vertebrae-disk area just at the base of the
neck
> where the upper back and rib cage curve over and the neck pulls
back.
>
> Having her stretch with her arm up and go all the way down and
around
> in all the areas incl the pelvis in front and side and groin, the
> painful sensations go away.  They used to be there for hours or
days
> before a lot of our treatment.
>
> I can tell that if I put myself into her position and then have to
arch
> the back to compensate for imbalanced extra long hamstrings (as
opposed
> to still too short front of the body) that I get pains and
tightness
> just where she does.
>
> I know I have more psoas, illiacus and leg musculature to lengthen -

> especially the hamstrings deeper still - as I can get only an inch
or
> inch and a half down into between them wigh my elbow even - and
then I
> can use my fingers to get more and to spread those leayers so far
> across.
>
> So - what am I missing please or what should I emphasize more to
1.)
> fix the pelvic tilt and 2.) to raidse the rib cage further up in
front
> and diminish the notch between say - C7 - T1 where she has a
vertebral
> hump sticking out.
>
> Thanks,
> Lou
>
>
>
> --- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, Moyoga@a... wrote:
> > Hello...
> > My dear friend in Milford Conn...(06460) is looking for a SI
> practitioner for
> > his wife ... hoping to avoid another back surgery....
> > I would appreciate any referrals ...
> > thank you in advance...
> > Lauree Moretto
> >
> >
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Lao,
Question: where are you in the recepie? It's hard to relate to your request
without knowing it.
Thanks
Orna Bat David


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Hi,

I would like some ideas - help.  I have been working with a woman who
has been extremely tight all the way down to the bones for years - from
many years of running and also childhood emotional tightness.  I have
been making very good progress and she is more erect, looser, and
flexible than she has been in years - one part of the structure
loosening is helping others release - and I can push right thru the
thighs ro the quads from the hamstrings - so it is all getting a lot
better.  She has also improves her diet and we have done a large amount
of old emotional releases from the structure and organs, too.

Now the problem.

When she lies flat on her back, the back lies flat on the table - but
when she sits up she gets bulging erector muscles all the way up
starting from the base of the spine - and there is a notch of the
vertebrae between them.  If she stands up - same bulges and
indentation.  When she bends over from the waist about 45 deg give or
take, the bulges and notch go away.

She also has the left leg tighter than the right up thru the thigh.
Even tho I have done the thighs rather deeply, and also pushed a LOT on
the abs to open them and lift the rib cage - when she bends over you
could see the lower back being tight and being held by what feels like
the legs.

when she has the rear legs longer than the front of the body - she gets
a nice sturdy-light uplift but also a pain in the left lower back just
above the buttocks and even a pull down in the left side of the face.
She has a notch in the vertebrae-disk area just at the base of the neck
where the upper back and rib cage curve over and the neck pulls back.

Having her stretch with her arm up and go all the way down and around
in all the areas incl the pelvis in front and side and groin, the
painful sensations go away.  They used to be there for hours or days
before a lot of our treatment.

I can tell that if I put myself into her position and then have to arch
the back to compensate for imbalanced extra long hamstrings (as opposed
to still too short front of the body) that I get pains and tightness
just where she does.

I know I have more psoas, illiacus and leg musculature to lengthen -
especially the hamstrings deeper still - as I can get only an inch or
inch and a half down into between them wigh my elbow even - and then I
can use my fingers to get more and to spread those leayers so far
across.

So - what am I missing please or what should I emphasize more to 1.)
fix the pelvic tilt and 2.) to raidse the rib cage further up in front
and diminish the notch between say - C7 - T1 where she has a vertebral
hump sticking out.

Thanks,
Lou



--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, Moyoga@a... wrote:
> Hello...
> My dear friend in Milford Conn...(06460) is looking for a SI
practitioner for
> his wife ... hoping to avoid another back surgery....
> I would appreciate any referrals ...
> thank you in advance...
> Lauree Moretto
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello...
My dear friend in Milford Conn...(06460) is looking for a SI practitioner for
his wife ... hoping to avoid another back surgery....
I would appreciate any referrals ...
thank you in advance...
Lauree Moretto


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dave Kennedy - address above, is nearby
and there used to be an oldtime rolfer there named James Bardot, but
I don't know if he is still practicing - might be worth a look in the
book.

Tom M


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> hello all,
>
>     i'm looking for a practitioner in the laguna area of socal
> (949).  any
> leads?
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> thanks in advance.
>
> -henry
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The best I know are Daniel Rawson, 949 306 2676 and Regina Roland 949 720 1516


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hello all,

     i'm looking for a practitioner in the laguna area of socal (949).  any
leads?

thanks in advance.

-henry


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If this person has been diagnosed by a competent genetic counseling M.D. with
this condition then I would be very careful with any kind of deep tissue
structural integration.
Check a Merck manual or the following link http://www.ednf.org/whatiseds.html
. You could cause internal bleeding and serious joint distentions.  All the
nutrition in the world will not help this condition much. Probably, if this
person has this diagnosis then they have gone down the nutrition and exercise
paths a ways and should know about problems therof.....Structural Integration is
still valid and movement and energy work can be invaluable but be careful with
stretchable, friable and bleeding connective tissues.......
Good work in asking....now we all get to learn a bit.

Jim Dohn


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Hi Dennis,

This is a nutrition problem.  I have known a few people with easily
bruising and did research with some very knowledgeable people for
years on myself and with others.  At the very least she needs a lot
of cal-mag and trace minerals and a large amount of chlorophyll in
fresh veg form plus - bioflavenoids are good for building up
capilarry (sp?) walls.  (Sooo many people are deficient in adequate
C-complex.)  One of the best whole food ways to get a lot of
C-complex and Bioflavenoids is from Rose Hips cut and sifted - can
get at big healthfood stores - organic better.  She can also get a
lot of capsules but it is not as effective.  I will talk with you and
email with you a lot more info if you want - just emnail me back.

Lou


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>    Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:01:05 -0000
>    From: "nycrd2002" <nycrd2002@...>
> Subject: Ehlers- Danlos Syndrome
>
> I had a lady referred to me for a series and I did a phone
> interview
> with her before she came in to see me. She told me that she is a 67
>
> female who suffers from Ehlers- Syndrome type 3 and thats she
> brusied
> easy. So I'm not sure if I can reffer her out to someonefor even a
> a
> lite massage much less a KMI series. Any thoughts any one ever
> dealt
> with this before? She's calling back on friday... Please help out a
>
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I had a lady referred to me for a series and I did a phone interview
with her before she came in to see me. She told me that she is a 67
female who suffers from Ehlers- Syndrome type 3 and thats she brusied
easy. So I'm not sure if I can reffer her out to someonefor even a a
lite massage much less a KMI series. Any thoughts any one ever dealt
with this before? She's calling back on friday... Please help out a
rookie.
THanks
Dennis

Does anyone know of a Rolfer or Hellerworker in Boynton Beach (near West Palm)
Florida?

Thanks!

Nick Klevans
Princeton,NJ

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Sharon,

Do you know of an E.N.T. or a doctor of audiology you could suggest for her?
   Also it sounds like she may be suffering from what Barrett Dorko calls an
"abnormal neurodynamic".  Mr. Dorko is a P.T., poet and prolific writer with
a very interesting web site at his name .com.

Sincerely,

Chancellor Mobley

>From: sharon@...
>Reply-To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
>To: "HWOnline" <HellerworkersOnline@yahoogroups.com>
>CC: "Structural Integration" <Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Structural_Integration] Help Needed: TOS and bulging vein in hand
>Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:36:30 -0400
>
>Dear Fellow Hellerworkers and Structural Integrationists,
>
>I received the following email from a woman who has consulted with me over
>the phone for help with her Thoracic Outlet Syndrome symptoms. She has also
>used my specialized program of stretching for dealing with her symptoms,
>but
>I do not believe she has received the 10 series from anyone, despite my
>recommendation to her that she do so.
>
>When she first emailed me about this "blanking out" problem, I suggested
>that she see someone trained in cranio-sacral therapy to help deal with the
>problem. Apparently, she did not follow that advice and instead went to see
>a TMJ dentist and a C-1 chiropractor. Now that major dental work appears to
>be underway, I am afraid that she has surpassed the place where I feel
>competent to help with her issues. So, I turn to you in the hopes that
>someone out there may be familiar with what kind of dental work or chiro
>adjustments may have been done and what  effect that may be having on her
>neck to support the return of her problematic TOS symptoms/migraines/numb
>fingers, etc.
>
>Any help that you can offer would be great. Email your ideas back to me and
>I will pass them on to Nancy.
>
>Many thanks,
>Sharon Butler
>Certified Hellerwork Practitioner
>
>Nancy Henderson writes:
>
> > Hi Sharon...
> >
> > I talked with you some time ago, and you were very kind.  I was blanking
> > out as I bent my head down, and you told me to go to a specific
>therapist
> > that I did check out.
> > But, instead, I did go long term to  A TMJ DDS, and a C-1 chirpractor
> > ultimately determined it was coming from a bite problem-- that was in
>turn
> > effecting the neck.
> >
> > All was great and stable for months in the splint-- atlas stable (I had
> > been of 6 degrees in one direction, and 8 in another-- significant)
>Then
> > we started dental reconstruction... and lowered the bite.. and blanking,
> > TOS, fatigue dizziness returned... and I could not chew for getting a
> > migraine.  That was 2 months ago, and after 2 sets of temps and
> > permanents, I am still waiting for the right bite.  It seems we have
>lost
> > it again.  I have been unable to work (I'm an artist) for 2 months.
> >
> > My Q---
> >
> > I experience TOS with this bite position. My last two fingers in both
> > hands are numb... particularly my dominate right, which I broke (radius
> > and ulna) 7 years ago.  It was not ever set right.   With this new TOS,
> > now half my hand is a bit numb and tingly-- and down into the wrist.
> > Today I looked down, and saw the back of my hand swell up.  It was the
> > vien... just like getting an IV that goes into tissue rather than the
> > vein.  It lasted about 30 minutes.  Now I have a bruise about the size
>of
> > a half dollar.
> > I have heard that TOS causes problems like this....
> >
> > Can you fill me in?  I can't afford to go to a MD, unless its a really
>big
> > problem.
> >
> > Thank You..
> >
> > Nancy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>Sharon Butler
>http://www.selfcare4rsi.com
>
>

Thats beautiful...man! You put things in very understandable terms.

Julius Daniels, KMI LMT

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Subject: [Structural_Integration] Digest Number 296
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:   Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:01:26 -0700 (PDT)
:   From: Louis Gross <louisryoshin@...>
: Subject: Re: Digest Number 295
:
: Dear Practitioners - please forgive this enormously long letter.  I
: have tried to send it to Sharon directly at her email address as she
: requests in her letter but it came back mailer daemon undeliverable
: to that address - I don't know why.  The text of my letter explains
: it is something Nancy can read that will help Sharon to help her to
: try Structural Integration.
:
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Dear Si Community and especially Louis Gross,

Many thanks for the wonderful and very complete explanation of the problem
being experienced by the TOS sufferer I wrote about the other day. I
apologize for the problems you had in responding to my original email,
Louis. I have a new whitelisting system on my email service and I keep
forgetting to give out the universal email address that anyone can respond
to me at. In case anyone else wants to weigh in to the problem of TOS that I
posted previously, you can reach me at hwf@....

Louis, I will pass your comments on to Nancy for her to review. Naturally, I
hope she finds an SI person to help her out with these issues. It is
distressing to me that the dental work is being done because I know how
disturbing this can be to the deeper structures in the head and neck, not to
mention the rest of the body. But, that is the path she has chosen and she
will have to deal with whatever consequences come her way.

Many thanks again for your help,

Sharon Butler
http://www.selfcare4rsi.com

Hola Everyone:

Here's something neat.  You can get a life-size, 3D, foldable  paper
skeleton with moveable joints for ~$40.  There must be a whole bunch of
great lessons to be learned from assembling this!

The catch is you need to be able to order it from Amazon.com in
Japanese!!!  At least that is as far as I got in tracking it down.
Anyone who finds it on an english site, please post!

Best,

Richard Wheeler

Dear Practitioners - please forgive this enormously long letter.  I
have tried to send it to Sharon directly at her email address as she
requests in her letter but it came back mailer daemon undeliverable
to that address - I don't know why.  The text of my letter explains
it is something Nancy can read that will help Sharon to help her to
try Structural Integration.

Dear Sharon,

I have written a somewhat lengthy explanation so that when (and if)
you pass this info on to Nancy, she will get a better picture as to
why she should follow your advice about getting the Structural
Integration.

About how the dental work and chiropractic has affected her
structure, I would say, from my own experience that the first efforts
they did, of splinting and manipulating her vertebra helped because
it was the right thing to do to help align the spine better, so the
nerves coming out between the vertebrae weren't rubbed on.  I would
assume that your own stretching method would be coming out of your
Bodywork knowledge and experience, and it would have been helping to
align her overall structure which is the crux of the vertebral
problem and neck tightness that is affecting her blood flow to the
brain.

I would tell Nancy that the combination of stretching the way a
structural integrator encourages, combined with the hands on, often
works better than either alone.

Then, when the dentist did more changes in the vertebral positioning
with the jaw, etc work, it caused more misalignment in the spinal
alignment and that again created the rubbing of the nerves.

As an explanation, Nancy, here is what I would say.  And for
reference, I have treated over 1000 people to one degree or another
in the past 22 years, some with TMJ and arm numbness problems.

I am not familiar with specific names of conditions myself, but I
have worked with people who had pinched blood vessels in their neck
area, and that cause them to have reduced blood flow to the brain,
until the fascial shortness was improved.  Remember, that the blood
gets pumped up thru the neck to the head and brain.  And most people
get rather tightened necks.  The blood vessels get pinched.  The
great pioneer of the late 19th Century, Dr. Andrew Stills MD, used
overall fascial manipulation to increase blood circulation and he had
a lot of success where other more standard medical treatments of the
time were not so successful.

I would think your problem, rather than solely coming from a problem
in your mouth, is much larger in physical size.  It would more likely
be a misaligned structure of all the muscles, bones and fascial soft
connective tissue length.  In our field, we would say the neck and
mouth tightness and misalignment you've been having is a part of the
whole Standard Imbalance Dr Ida P. Rolf talks about to some degree in
her books.  First of all, the overall soft connective tissue putty
system that holds all your muscles in their shapes, the fascia, must
be pretty bunched up short, systemically.  And swelling in the arms
can be caused by, or aggravated from, all that shortness and
compression, and lessened circulation.

This shortness is also probably causing interconnected
muscle-bone-muscle-bone tightness in the upper back spine and
tightness in the neck and chest as well.  And that tightness, in
turn, will cause your neck and head to tilt forward and down so you
have to tighten the neck and hold it backward and up, just to hold
your head up.  This will create a lot of tightness in the spine at
the head, in the jaw and mouth area, and in the connections of all
the skull bones as well.  The compensation of pulling backward
against a fascial shortness in front, that you don't necessarily feel
or notice would cause the kind of tightness you are having.

In fact, tightness in the back of the legs, for instance, or more
accurately, fascial bunch-up shortness that "you" feel as tightness,
causes a lot of neck and jaw-mouth tightness.  That's why, in Dr
Rolf's famous basic recipe or the 10 steps, the legs are done
somewhat deeply before the relengthening of the mouth and much of the
head are done.  We want to remove the interconnected tight pulling
from other parts of the body so that the mouth and head can indeed
open easily.

When you got the further dental work to lower your bite, it probably
shortened more fascia, made the parts of you that are in front of the
spine shorter or tighter, and maybe even your tension during the
dental sessions bunched the body's fascia up as well.  This is
common.  My own father had it and I helped him by relengthening his
overall structure after that.

Second, tingling in the arms usually comes from a pinched or rubbed
on nerve in the base of the neck spinal area.  It happens when the
pelvis is tilted -usually down in front but sometimes also down in
back- and there is an arch backward in the lower back, then a curve
over in the upper back with the rib cage tilted down and the top of
the rib cage in the rear vertebrae jutting out.  This is that
standard imbalance.

So in order for you to hold your head upright, Nancy, you would have
to bend the spinal column above it up, and that often makes a notch
at the disk where the curve over meets the lifting up backward.  And
nerves get rubbed on right there; the sensory nerves for the arms and
hands.  (They are the outside nerves on the bundle coming out of the
spine - in a donut shape - the motor nerves are in a sphere within
that - so you can move things but get the numbness and/or pain.)

Sharon knows, that when Structural Integration occurs, especially
with more work than just the usual 10, 1-1/4 hr, basic series
sessions, then the pelvis can be made to align horizontally better
(the fascial system of the legs and so forth actually gets
re-lengthened to where it is supposed to be - like a super power tool
stretching technique)(Horizontalizing the pelvis is the goal of steps
4-7 in our recipe, and Sharon knows it takes more than just a few
hours to do enough of all your tissue, but at least the basic series
and your stretching might help you a lot.)

It's important to get the picture, Nancy, that his Bodywork is done
more than locally.  It requires a lot of good abdominal and
psoas-illiacus lengthening, and intercostal lengthening, the muscles
between your ribs.  Then the rib cage can lift up more in the front
and there is a better chance the neck arch backward is not needed as
much so the nerves aren't pinched.

Nancy's hamstrings, the muscles on the back of the thighs, are
probably bunched up a lot, too.  Nancy, do they bulge in back.
Shortened hamstrings pull thru the pelvis from the ischium bones
which are what you sit on at the base of your buttocks and at the
very top of the back of your legs.

These circular bones are where the Hanstrings attach (their other end
in on the thighbone in back and in the back of the lower leg bones,
behind the knee.  On the other side of the ischium bones is a
ligament (on both sides of your body L & R) that connects up to the
bottom of the abdominals at the pyramidalis (spelling - sorry) - so
shortened hamstrings pulls the abs down to the pelvis and that pulls
the ribcage down.  Hence, step 5 of the basic recipe lengthens the
abs themselves and then step 6 not only lengthens the back of the
body but also releases its own shortness pull on the abs, rib cage,
neck and head.

See, the whole front of your torso and into the head and neck will
get pulled down, and "you" will then be lifting yourself up by
tightening all your muscles, from the head down to the ankles and
heels.  That all can be relengthened systematically with the
Bodywork.

Nancy, I would also bet that your entire head structure is bunched up
tight.  That's usual for almost all of us.  That tightness is also
making the neck tight "from above" and is a cause, I have found, why
just dental or TMJ or chiropractic treatments often fail to fix the
neck problems (besides the systemic fascial imbalance below).  They
are trying to change a bone arrangement - including the vertebral
positioning - without lengthening enough fascia.

They are attempting a local fix on what is a systemic problem.  Your
bodysuit is most likely like a sweater with a lot of knots in it.
They're all pulling tight on each other.  To think you can fix
everything because you zero in on just one place is not seeing the
whole picture.

Dr Rolf mentions this in the book Ida Rolf Talks About Rolfing and
Physical Reality, and this systemic fascial shape improvement is
emphasized by Joseph Heller, founder of Hellerwork, in his book
Bodywise (Is that his book name, Sharon, - please excuse me if I am
incorrect - been a long time since I read these wonderful and
educational books.)

Ida Rolf was a genius as well as a pioneer, Nancy.  She had a PhD in
physiology and biochemistry and had done yoga for 20 years.  Then she
travelled around the world studying different body therapies.  She
added to the work of that 1890's MD, Dr Andrew Stills' work and her
huge message was to organize the entire fascial network of the body
which, as we Structural Integrators know, she called The Organ of
Structure.

Yours,
Lou Gross
Structural Integrator since 1982
California, Michigan and Florida


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>       2. Re: Help Needed: TOS and bulging vein in hand
>            From: DoctorDohn@...
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:36:30 -0400
>    From: sharon@...
> Subject: Help Needed: TOS and bulging vein in hand
>
> Dear Fellow Hellerworkers and Structural Integrationists,
>
> I received the following email from a woman who has consulted with
> me over
> the phone for help with her Thoracic Outlet Syndrome symptoms. She
> has also
> used my specialized program of stretching for dealing with her
> symptoms, but
> I do not believe she has received the 10 series from anyone,
> despite my
> recommendation to her that she do so.
>
> When she first emailed me about this "blanking out" problem, I
> suggested
> that she see someone trained in cranio-sacral therapy to help deal
> with the
> problem. Apparently, she did not follow that advice and instead
> went to see
> a TMJ dentist and a C-1 chiropractor. Now that major dental work
> appears to
> be underway, I am afraid that she has surpassed the place where I
> feel
> competent to help with her issues. So, I turn to you in the hopes
> that
> someone out there may be familiar with what kind of dental work or
> chiro
> adjustments may have been done and what  effect that may be having
> on her
> neck to support the return of her problematic TOS
> symptoms/migraines/numb
> fingers, etc.
>
> Any help that you can offer would be great. Email your ideas back
> to me and
> I will pass them on to Nancy.
>
> Many thanks,
> Sharon Butler
> Certified Hellerwork Practitioner
>
> Nancy Henderson writes:
>
> > Hi Sharon...
> >
> > I talked with you some time ago, and you were very kind.  I was
> blanking
> > out as I bent my head down, and you told me to go to a specific
> therapist
> > that I did check out.
> > But, instead, I did go long term to  A TMJ DDS, and a C-1
> chirpractor
> > ultimately determined it was coming from a bite problem-- that
> was in turn
> > effecting the neck.
> >
> > All was great and stable for months in the splint-- atlas stable
> (I had
> > been of 6 degrees in one direction, and 8 in another--
> significant)   Then
> > we started dental reconstruction... and lowered the bite.. and
> blanking,
> > TOS, fatigue dizziness returned... and I could not chew for
> getting a
> > migraine.  That was 2 months ago, and after 2 sets of temps and
> > permanents, I am still waiting for the right bite.  It seems we
> have lost
> > it again.  I have been unable to work (I'm an artist) for 2
> months.
> >
> > My Q---
> >
> > I experience TOS with this bite position. My last two fingers in
> both
> > hands are numb... particularly my dominate right, which I broke
> (radius
> > and ulna) 7 years ago.  It was not ever set right.   With this
> new TOS,
> > now half my hand is a bit numb and tingly-- and down into the
> wrist.
> > Today I looked down, and saw the back of my hand swell up.  It
> was the
> > vien... just like getting an IV that goes into tissue rather than
> the
> > vein.  It lasted about 30 minutes.  Now I have a bruise about the
> size of
> > a half dollar.
> > I have heard that TOS causes problems like this....
> >
> > Can you fill me in?  I can't afford to go to a MD, unless its a
> really big
> > problem.
> >
> > Thank You..
> >
> > Nancy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Sharon Butler
> http://www.selfcare4rsi.com
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:46:19 EDT
>    From: DoctorDohn@...
> Subject: Re: Help Needed: TOS and bulging vein in hand
>
> Dear Sharon, She still has not followed your original advice..which
> I say is
> sound advice......She is being led by this condition to learn and
> experience a
> lot of different healing modalities.  Perhaps she is in school,
> sort of, and
> would be best served to not skip any classes.  What does she do for
> a living?
> And how are her close relationships? How about parents or siblings?
>  I would
> find a Cranio-Sacral therapist near her for her and resend that
> message........good work...
>
> Jim Dohn
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Dear Sharon, She still has not followed your original advice..which I say is
sound advice......She is being led by this condition to learn and experience a
lot of different healing modalities.  Perhaps she is in school, sort of, and
would be best served to not skip any classes.  What does she do for a living?
And how are her close relationships? How about parents or siblings?  I would
find a Cranio-Sacral therapist near her for her and resend that
message........good work...

Jim Dohn


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Fellow Hellerworkers and Structural Integrationists,

I received the following email from a woman who has consulted with me over
the phone for help with her Thoracic Outlet Syndrome symptoms. She has also
used my specialized program of stretching for dealing with her symptoms, but
I do not believe she has received the 10 series from anyone, despite my
recommendation to her that she do so.

When she first emailed me about this "blanking out" problem, I suggested
that she see someone trained in cranio-sacral therapy to help deal with the
problem. Apparently, she did not follow that advice and instead went to see
a TMJ dentist and a C-1 chiropractor. Now that major dental work appears to
be underway, I am afraid that she has surpassed the place where I feel
competent to help with her issues. So, I turn to you in the hopes that
someone out there may be familiar with what kind of dental work or chiro
adjustments may have been done and what  effect that may be having on her
neck to support the return of her problematic TOS symptoms/migraines/numb
fingers, etc.

Any help that you can offer would be great. Email your ideas back to me and
I will pass them on to Nancy.

Many thanks,
Sharon Butler
Certified Hellerwork Practitioner

Nancy Henderson writes:

> Hi Sharon...
>
> I talked with you some time ago, and you were very kind.  I was blanking
> out as I bent my head down, and you told me to go to a specific therapist
> that I did check out.
> But, instead, I did go long term to  A TMJ DDS, and a C-1 chirpractor
> ultimately determined it was coming from a bite problem-- that was in turn
> effecting the neck.
>
> All was great and stable for months in the splint-- atlas stable (I had
> been of 6 degrees in one direction, and 8 in another-- significant)   Then
> we started dental reconstruction... and lowered the bite.. and blanking,
> TOS, fatigue dizziness returned... and I could not chew for getting a
> migraine.  That was 2 months ago, and after 2 sets of temps and
> permanents, I am still waiting for the right bite.  It seems we have lost
> it again.  I have been unable to work (I'm an artist) for 2 months.
>
> My Q---
>
> I experience TOS with this bite position. My last two fingers in both
> hands are numb... particularly my dominate right, which I broke (radius
> and ulna) 7 years ago.  It was not ever set right.   With this new TOS,
> now half my hand is a bit numb and tingly-- and down into the wrist.
> Today I looked down, and saw the back of my hand swell up.  It was the
> vien... just like getting an IV that goes into tissue rather than the
> vein.  It lasted about 30 minutes.  Now I have a bruise about the size of
> a half dollar.
> I have heard that TOS causes problems like this....
>
> Can you fill me in?  I can't afford to go to a MD, unless its a really big
> problem.
>
> Thank You..
>
> Nancy
>
>
>



Sharon Butler
http://www.selfcare4rsi.com

From:            "John Panter" <fareast@...>
To:              Structure_Integrator@yahoogroups.com, rolf-forum@...
Date sent:       Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:13:31 +4
Subject:         Books by B.Calais-Germain
Send reply to:   rolf-forum@...
An announcement for those who would prefer to but their Rolfing®
books from a Rolfer,
Far East Books (that's me) has just gotten in three titles by
Blandine Calais-Germain:
Anatomy of Movement, priced at  C$ 37.95;
Anatomy of Movement, Exercises  @  C$39.95;
and The Complete Female Pelvis.Anatomy and Exercises
@C$33.50.

Please note that these prices are in Canadian dollars. The US
dollar equivalent will be at about 80% of these prices. Shipping and
handling on top, depending where you live. No Sales tax. I ship to
anywhere. yours


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Canada
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Thanks, Archie, for the reminder of The "Protean" Body.  Brings back
thoughts of good times.

Lou


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>       3. Re: Louis and Richard
>            From: Archie Underwood <archie@...>
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> Message: 1
>    Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:19:05 -0500
>    From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
> Subject: Workshop Announcement
>
> TECHNOLOGY FOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRATION
> Mid-September, Washington DC Area
>
> GRIPS & STRAPS
>
> a workshop with
> Richard Wheeler
>
> We am pleased to announce a workshop for ALL practitioners who
> would
> like some serious, extra support for their hands.  These tools and
> techniques give a stronger, steadier, solidly reinforced, and
> secure
> grip.  Beginning students can use them  to precisely reinforce,
> protect, align and strengthen their hands, wrists and forearms.
> Intermediate and experienced practitioners will benefit from
> reduced
> working tensions, learning new combinations of holds, leverages and
>
> dramatically improved traction.  You can view these tools by
> clicking
> on this link:      http://www.ricwhardwheeler.net/rolfing/its.html
>
> The workshop will be given by Richard Wheeler, a Rolfer who studied
>
> with Dr. Ida P. Rolf in 1971.  His workshops introduce beginners to
> the
> basics of tool use.  More advanced practitioners will learn new
> leverages, combinations of grips, contacts, and ideas about
> treatment
> strategies. Workshop participants receive a Wriststrap and their
> own
> custom cast, correctly aligned set of Handgrips.  Instruction will
> include learning to make, modify and use Wriststraps.
>
> Richard is also a field-experienced Paleontologist, an accomplished
>
> Visual Artist, Calligrapher & Musician.  He brings a unique,
> multi-talented perspective to the problems of functional
> morphology,
> physical transformation and structural integration.  You will come
> away
> with a new feel for anatomy and an outstandingly practical set of
> tools
> for dealing with it.
>
>
>   A FEW ADVOCATES & HAPPY CAMPERS
>
> "This is a great opportunity.  Richard's unique approach will
> inform
> you in ways that other
> workshops simply cannot.  Even if you wind up not using the tools
> (which is highly
> unlikely) exploring their use will inform your work and help you to
>
> think about what your
> doing in new ways.  I spent a year working with Richard and it was
> some
> of the most
> interesting and informative time I've spent in the study of
> bodywork.
> I found the tools to
> be the freshest approach to pure technique I've encountered.
> Richard
> brings both a depth
> of knowledge and an active fertile imagination to his life and
> practice.  Don't miss this!!!"
> 	 Jeff Linn, Advanced Certified Rolfer.   Jeff teaches for the
> Guild
> for Structural Integration, is Rolf Institute archivist and has
> pioneered Digital Imaging for Somatic Practitioners
>
>
> BEFORE:  "I am really looking forward to this!  Not only do I think
> it
> will reduce the wear and tear on my joints, but I think it will
> also
> improve my work for my clients."  Anita Boser, Hellerwork
> Practitioner
>
> AFTER:  "I was impressed with how much the grips and straps support
> my
> hands and help to distribute the pressure of the work onto stronger
>
> areas of my body.  In fact, I get such good leverage with the grips
>
> that I need to be careful about how much pressure to apply.  This
> helps
> me to be more present and conscious with my clients.
>  I am even more impressed with how using these tools help me to
> feel
> the three-dimensionality of the body.  Normally, it is not easy for
> me
> to get a sense throughout a limb or the torso.  Using the straps
> makes
> it easier to do two-handed work and gives a relationship between my
> two
> hands that has been rare for me before.  Thank-you so much for
> sharing
> this and helping me to become a better practitioner for my
> clients!"
> Anita Boser, Hellerwork Practitioner
>
>
> "We agree wholeheartedly!  Joseph Heller and I played with him and
> got
> the tools years ago and have very much enjoyed using them, and his
> unique perspectives."
> 	 Kathleen Downes, Hellerwork Practitioner
>
>
> PLEASE JOIN US!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Richard Wheeler, Certified Advanced Rolfer®, Rolfing® Movement
> Teacher
> & Mentor
> Carol Orrell, Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
>
>
> DETAILS
>
> Dates:  September 16th., 17th., 18th.
> Location:  Fredricksberg, MD
> Fee:  $350   The workshop fee includes material costs.
> Minimum  6 participants, maximum of 12.
> Registration:  $200 registration fee due by September 1st. with the
>
> rest due on the first day.
>
> Send registration checks made out to Richard Wheeler here:
> Richard Wheeler
> c/o Sharon Wheeler-Hancoff
> 17204 A Interurban Blvd.
> Snohomish, WA 98296
>
> Contact Richard Wheeler with questions:  tarpitboss@...
> Contact Carol Orrell for information about lodging & other local
> concerns:  carol@...
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 12:22:42 -0500
>    From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
> Subject: October in Seattle?
>
> Hi Everyone:
>
> If you will be in Seattle for the October IASI conference, listen
> up!
>
> Announcing Honor Principle Pricing for Integrator's Tool Sets &
> Sessions!
>
> Before or After the meeting, by a week either way, I am available
> to
> make your very own custom cast set of Grips & Straps.  IASI members
> get
> a special deal:  The cost for your Integrator's Tool Set will be
>
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Hi

Someone asked about diet affecting hands-on and how hands-on could
affect diet.  My own consistent experience is that a diet consisting
of large amounts of fruits and vegetables makes the tissue more
easily manipulable and by adding seaaweed, especially kelp, the
calcium reduces pain.  I had an athletic woman who ate mostly cooked
and raw vegetarian, and who had very easily spreadible tissue, also
have pain from even easy manipulations and also in her daily life.  A
bunch of kelp capsules a day fixed this within a week.  This result
seems to be typical. I, personally, favor raw foods but even people
with a high percentage of cooked vegetables in the diet also had
this.  It also all makes the body more esily stretchable, so our yoga
classes did more, more enjoyably.

I heard from a medical expert that high magnesium and potassium diets
makes the cell walls more open, that is, more nutrients go in and
more waste products go out.  My experience has been that making sure
the calcium content is also high makes the structure stronger, too,
and the metabolic condition better than just the mag-potas part does.
  It always seems to be this way for all whoim I have observed.

Athletic activity also seems to improve the quality of the tissue in
the same ways.  I am not sure why this is, but it would seem related
to improved blood and lymph circulation, and ell respiration.  It
works even without a diet high in veg's and fruits, but the diet adds
to that.

I, personally,like to improve the tissue quality because of all these
things and because the removal of neuro muscular contracting makes
relengthening more fascia easily go better.

Good info about lymphatic cleaning and the removal of excess blood
proteins from the interstitial tissues an be found thru www.ial.org,
the Internaltional Academy of Lymphology.

The hands on obviously makes the tissue softer and removes a lot of
old waste in the tissues, and Ive read the tissue frequency also
"improves."  Others may know more about this than I.  So the
physiological quality of the tissue improves.  As Dr Rolf pointed
out, the imoproved muscle tone from the lack of a need to keep
tightening to just stand up, helps with that better muscle tone,
which keeps the tissue better.  All this would seem to improve
nutritional metabolism.

I'm sure there is more on this sunject.  Such as the reverse effects
due to high junk food and other kinds of foods.

Best,
Lou



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>       3. Re: Only Slightly Off Topic
>            From: Archie Underwood <archie@...>
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>            From: Louis Gross <louisryoshin@...>
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> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:38:07 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Carol Orrell <carol@...>
> Subject: Re: Only Slightly Off Topic
>
> Can you give the full link - I tried to copy the product id and
> couldn't get it to load correctly... I would love to take a look at
> the shirt....
>
>
> Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
> Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
> www.manualtherapysolutions.com
> Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
> By appointment only 540-846-7653
>
>
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>    Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 18:14:28 -0500
>    From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
> Subject: Re: Only Slightly Off Topic
>
> YesYesYes!!!
>
> Or even better, Type Darwin into Zazzle's search engine.
>
> maybe your wordprocessor installed a hard carriage return where is
>
> shouldn't have...
>
> Best,
>
> RW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:38 PM, Carol Orrell wrote:
>
> > Can you give the full link - I tried to copy the product id and
> > couldn't get it to load correctly... I would love to take a look
> at
> > the shirt....
> >
> >
> > Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
> > Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
> > www.manualtherapysolutions.com
> > Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
> > By appointment only 540-846-7653
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
>    Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:00:23 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Archie Underwood <archie@...>
> Subject: Re: Only Slightly Off Topic
>
> Here's a usable link for Richard's shirt...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/8eokg
>
> Archie Underwood, HHP
> Structural Integration
> 619.861.3232
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:39:22 -0500
>    From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Only Slightly Off Topic
>
> Egad.
>
> Hey Archie please back channel me as to the magic of having
> knowledge
> about such a tiny usable link.  And a big thank you as well.
>
> ;-)
>
> Richard Wheeler
> On Aug 5, 2005, at 9:00 PM, Archie Underwood wrote:
>
> > Here's a usable link for Richard's shirt...
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/8eokg
> >
> > Archie Underwood, HHP
> > Structural Integration
> > 619.861.3232
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
>    Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:04:25 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Louis Gross <louisryoshin@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 291
>
> To the person offended by my reent supportive post.
>
> I have been doing Structural Integration since 1982 and have had a
> lot of experience in discovering consistent trends in the
> neuro-muscular and emotional energy conditions of the structure.  I
> was formally trained by PhD psychotherapists and Reichian experts,
> plus Morris Netherton himself, regarding the emotional content of
> structural tension and how past experiences whose energy got lodged
> in the body affects structural tightness and imbalance.
>
> Dr Ida P Rolf also had experience with this and some of her
> expereinces are in the book, Ida Rolf Talks about Rolfing and
> Physical Reality.  The book, The Body (Is that it - I forget?  The
> one with the sphenoid (sp?) bone on the cover) by Rolfer Don
> Johnson
> talks extensively about the psycho-emotional development of the
> person going through the Structural Integration processing. Dr Rolf
> herself mentions a number of points about psychological development
> and the removal of traum in her big work, Rolfing.
>
> Joseph Heller in Hellerwork uses some approaches to the
> psychosomatic
> orientation.
>
> So it's not really foreign, although I do know some people who said
>
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I have to add to this if only to say that it is ALWAYS appropriate to
advise someone to see another professional if you feel that they may
need to, be it a Nutritionist, an MD, a Psychiatrist or Counselor, or
even a Witch Doctor.  Advising someone does not mean that they HAVE to
do it, but it does give them the OPPORTUNITY to do something pro-active
about something they clearly want to act on, or they would not be
seeing you in the first place.  They are not bound to go, but they
might not know that there are options out there...

Bevin Keely, LMP
Rolf Method of Structural Integration
www.bevinkeely.com
206.343.9653

>The book, The Body (Is that it - I forget?  The
>one with the sphenoid (sp?) bone on the cover) by Rolfer Don Johnson
>talks extensively about the psycho-emotional development of the
>person going through the Structural Integration processing.

The book, a great one, is called "The Protean Body". I believe Proteus was some
sort of grrek
mythological figure who was a master at transformation. I love the art on the
cover of a floating
sphenoid... a beautiful rendition and it exposes so many similarities to the
pelvis within the
spheniod.

Richard,

Go to www.tinyurl.com and you can shortened any URL, particularly useful when
e-mailing and
especially on forums too. Helps those "technically challenged" people who just
wanna click something!

Archie Underwood, HHP
Structural Integration
619.861.3232

Hi Everyone:

If you will be in Seattle for the October IASI conference, listen up!

Announcing Honor Principle Pricing for Integrator's Tool Sets &
Sessions!

Before or After the meeting, by a week either way, I am available to
make your very own custom cast set of Grips & Straps.  IASI members get
a special deal:  The cost for your Integrator's Tool Set will be
whatever your standard single-session fee happens to be.  If you work
on a sliding fee scale, I will accept your average fee.  I won't ask
for copies of your literature or an IASI membership card or anything,
I'll just believe you.  How's that for attitude!?

Simple casting & information communication will take about one morning
or an afternoon, depending on circumstances.

I am also available to give sessions using my tools so you can find out
what their use actually feels like.  Hey, its like switching from AC to
DC.  Or like changing from hand tools to air powered!  But don't take
these hyperbolae literally, find out for yourself.

My fee for individual sessions during this time period will be Ditto.
Such a deal!

If a group evolves, I will cast en masse & schedule individual sessions
on a first come, first serve basis.  Individual sessions may be open
for everyone to see & learn more about tool-supported applications
unless we make specific arrangements otherwise.

Simplify & Evolve your Work.  Make a Group.  Get in Touch.

My Best,

Richard Wheeler

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TECHNOLOGY FOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRATION
Mid-September, Washington DC Area

GRIPS & STRAPS

a workshop with
Richard Wheeler

We am pleased to announce a workshop for ALL practitioners who would
like some serious, extra support for their hands.  These tools and
techniques give a stronger, steadier, solidly reinforced, and secure
grip.  Beginning students can use them  to precisely reinforce,
protect, align and strengthen their hands, wrists and forearms.
Intermediate and experienced practitioners will benefit from reduced
working tensions, learning new combinations of holds, leverages and
dramatically improved traction.  You can view these tools by clicking
on this link:      http://www.ricwhardwheeler.net/rolfing/its.html

The workshop will be given by Richard Wheeler, a Rolfer who studied
with Dr. Ida P. Rolf in 1971.  His workshops introduce beginners to the
basics of tool use.  More advanced practitioners will learn new
leverages, combinations of grips, contacts, and ideas about treatment
strategies. Workshop participants receive a Wriststrap and their own
custom cast, correctly aligned set of Handgrips.  Instruction will
include learning to make, modify and use Wriststraps.

Richard is also a field-experienced Paleontologist, an accomplished
Visual Artist, Calligrapher & Musician.  He brings a unique,
multi-talented perspective to the problems of functional morphology,
physical transformation and structural integration.  You will come away
with a new feel for anatomy and an outstandingly practical set of tools
for dealing with it.


   A FEW ADVOCATES & HAPPY CAMPERS

"This is a great opportunity.  Richard's unique approach will inform
you in ways that other
workshops simply cannot.  Even if you wind up not using the tools
(which is highly
unlikely) exploring their use will inform your work and help you to
think about what your
doing in new ways.  I spent a year working with Richard and it was some
of the most
interesting and informative time I've spent in the study of bodywork.
I found the tools to
be the freshest approach to pure technique I've encountered. Richard
brings both a depth
of knowledge and an active fertile imagination to his life and
practice.  Don't miss this!!!"
		 Jeff Linn, Advanced Certified Rolfer.   Jeff teaches for the Guild
for Structural Integration, is Rolf Institute archivist and has
pioneered Digital Imaging for Somatic Practitioners


BEFORE:  "I am really looking forward to this!  Not only do I think it
will reduce the wear and tear on my joints, but I think it will also
improve my work for my clients."  Anita Boser, Hellerwork Practitioner

AFTER:  "I was impressed with how much the grips and straps support my
hands and help to distribute the pressure of the work onto stronger
areas of my body.  In fact, I get such good leverage with the grips
that I need to be careful about how much pressure to apply.  This helps
me to be more present and conscious with my clients.
	 I am even more impressed with how using these tools help me to feel
the three-dimensionality of the body.  Normally, it is not easy for me
to get a sense throughout a limb or the torso.  Using the straps makes
it easier to do two-handed work and gives a relationship between my two
hands that has been rare for me before.  Thank-you so much for sharing
this and helping me to become a better practitioner for my clients!"
Anita Boser, Hellerwork Practitioner


"We agree wholeheartedly!  Joseph Heller and I played with him and got
the tools years ago and have very much enjoyed using them, and his
unique perspectives."
		 Kathleen Downes, Hellerwork Practitioner


PLEASE JOIN US!

Sincerely,

Richard Wheeler, Certified Advanced Rolfer®, Rolfing® Movement Teacher
& Mentor
Carol Orrell, Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration


DETAILS

Dates:  September 16th., 17th., 18th.
Location:  Fredricksberg, MD
Fee:  $350   The workshop fee includes material costs.
Minimum  6 participants, maximum of 12.
Registration:  $200 registration fee due by September 1st. with the
rest due on the first day.

Send registration checks made out to Richard Wheeler here:
Richard Wheeler
c/o Sharon Wheeler-Hancoff
17204 A Interurban Blvd.
Snohomish, WA 98296

Contact Richard Wheeler with questions:  tarpitboss@...
Contact Carol Orrell for information about lodging & other local
concerns:  carol@...


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To the person offended by my reent supportive post.

I have been doing Structural Integration since 1982 and have had a
lot of experience in discovering consistent trends in the
neuro-muscular and emotional energy conditions of the structure.  I
was formally trained by PhD psychotherapists and Reichian experts,
plus Morris Netherton himself, regarding the emotional content of
structural tension and how past experiences whose energy got lodged
in the body affects structural tightness and imbalance.

Dr Ida P Rolf also had experience with this and some of her
expereinces are in the book, Ida Rolf Talks about Rolfing and
Physical Reality.  The book, The Body (Is that it - I forget?  The
one with the sphenoid (sp?) bone on the cover) by Rolfer Don Johnson
talks extensively about the psycho-emotional development of the
person going through the Structural Integration processing. Dr Rolf
herself mentions a number of points about psychological development
and the removal of traum in her big work, Rolfing.

Joseph Heller in Hellerwork uses some approaches to the psychosomatic
orientation.

So it's not really foreign, although I do know some people who said
they'd had big emoional releases and their practitioner did not want
them emoting.  Other Structural Integrators I have been to are aware
of the releases and at the very least, are "there" for the client.

As far as nutrition, I was trained in living foods nutrition, and
have been practicing foods application to structure, purposely, for
about 10 years.  So I have a lot of experiences, albeit hundreds of
anecdotal experiences, from which I offer some information.

Finally, in my email I purposely did NOT mention my own credentials,
trying to blow my own horn.  As you suggested I do, I did indeed
refer to specific experts in the realms of Reichian and Netherton
Therapy, Postural Integration and parasites.

Please excuse to all this long email - facilitator if you don't want
to post this it is OK with me.

Yours,
Lou

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>       1. Re: RE: Giving nutritional advice
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>       2. Re: RE: Giving nutritional advice
>            From: Michael Vilain <vilain@...>
>       3. Re: RE: Giving nutritional advice
>            From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
>       4. Only Slightly Off Topic
>            From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
>       5. Re: Only Slightly Off Topic
>            From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
>       6. Re: Only Slightly Off Topic
>            From: "Matthew Williams" <puma@...>
>       7. Re: Only Slightly Off Topic
>            From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
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>    Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:16:24 -0500
>    From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
> Subject: Re: RE: Giving nutritional advice
>
> Hi Maria:
>
> Thanks for your interesting post.  To yours, I would add:
>
> What constitutes a valid question concerning nutrition?  Since when
> do
> hands-on practitioners do anything that changes a person's
> nutritional
> requirements?  Does changing a person's nutrition potentiate
> touchability or the results of a session or of a series of
> treatments?
> Or render them more plastic, or less?
>
> Richard Wheeler
>
> On Aug 3, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Maria Wolters wrote:
>
> > Incidentally, when I took my one-year weekend Intro to Massage
> course,
> > we
> > were specifically taught to get detailed (!) information about
> our
> > clients'
> > nutrition etc even though there is very little we could do with
> that
> > information, apart from referring on. I'm not too happy with
> this,
> > given
> > that nutrition and dietetics is a four-year degree course, but it
>
> > seems the
> > norm at least for British ITEC qualifications. What do
> practitioners
> > on this
> > list do - only ask the client about nutrition when they suspect
> it to
> > be
> > relevant? Or are nutrition questions part of the standard intake?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Maria Wolters
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Richard
> > Wheeler
> > Sent: 03 August 2005 16:13
> > To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Structural_Integration] Digest Number 289
> >
> > Hey Louis:
> >
> > It is NOT in our field of expertise, range of professional
> training or 
> > even our current job description to council on nutrition or
> health 
> > issues such as real or imagined vitamin issues or parasites.  If
> these 
> > kinds of questions come up, refer to the relevant trained
> professional 
> > specialist.
> >
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> Message: 2
>    Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:26:51 -0700
>    From: Michael Vilain <vilain@...>
> Subject: Re: RE: Giving nutritional advice
>
> >Hi Maria:
> >
> >Thanks for your interesting post.  To yours, I would add:
> >
> >What constitutes a valid question concerning nutrition?  Since
> when do
> >hands-on practitioners do anything that changes a person's
> nutritional
> >requirements?  Does changing a person's nutrition potentiate
> >touchability or the results of a session or of a series of
> treatments?
> >Or render them more plastic, or less?
> >
> >Richard Wheeler
>
> I ask a general nutritional question on my intake form (I use a
> modified version of the Rolf Institute's form).  Something like
> "What
> is your current diet?"  For the most part, it tells me how much
> attention the client pays to their diet, exercise, well-being, etc.
>
> Although I haven't made any associations with diet and our work, I
> wonder about diet and "embodyment".  If someone's nutritional needs
>
> aren't being met because of a specific diet, would that person have
> a
> harder time being in their body?  These questions have nothing to
> do
> with clients and are only background musings.
>
> I'm not trained in nutrition at all, so I don't say anything about
> it
> in the context of a session.  If a client asks such questions, I
> defer answering them.  I do have a client who was a nutritionist
> and
> could refer out to her if need be.
>
>
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> Message: 3
>    Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:18:21 -0500
>    From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
> Subject: Re: RE: Giving nutritional advice
>
> Egad I do believe we are on the same page Michael!!!
>
>
>
> ;-0
>
>
> Richard Wheeler
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2005, at 5:26 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:
>
> >> Hi Maria:
> >>
> >> Thanks for your interesting post.  To yours, I would add:
> >>
> >> What constitutes a valid question concerning nutrition?  Since
> when do
> >> hands-on practitioners do anything that changes a person's
> nutritional
> >> requirements?  Does changing a person's nutrition potentiate
> >> touchability or the results of a session or of a series of
> treatments?
> >> Or render them more plastic, or less?
> >>
> >> Richard Wheeler
> >
>
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Hey Archie please back channel me as to the magic of having knowledge
about such a tiny usable link.  And a big thank you as well.

;-)

Richard Wheeler
On Aug 5, 2005, at 9:00 PM, Archie Underwood wrote:

> Here's a usable link for Richard's shirt...
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> http://tinyurl.com/8eokg
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> Archie Underwood, HHP
> Structural Integration
> 619.861.3232
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Here's a usable link for Richard's shirt...

http://tinyurl.com/8eokg

Archie Underwood, HHP
Structural Integration
619.861.3232

YesYesYes!!!

Or even better, Type Darwin into Zazzle's search engine.

maybe your wordprocessor installed a hard carriage return where is
shouldn't have...

Best,

RW







On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:38 PM, Carol Orrell wrote:

> Can you give the full link - I tried to copy the product id and
> couldn't get it to load correctly... I would love to take a look at
> the shirt....
>
>
> Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
> Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
> www.manualtherapysolutions.com
> Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
> By appointment only 540-846-7653
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Can you give the full link - I tried to copy the product id and couldn't get it
to load correctly... I would love to take a look at the shirt....


Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
www.manualtherapysolutions.com
Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
By appointment only 540-846-7653




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