> Hi, y'all
>

Just wanted to check whether you had seen Ray Bishop's article in
Massage & Bodywork Magazine on Structural Integration as a form of
meditation.
The accompanying photographs are a little unfortunate, but the text
is fabulous.

Take care, Tom Myers

On Jul 1, 2005, at 6:10 PM, Marilyn Beech wrote:

Thank you both Kathleen and Dr. Jim Dohn for your advice as well.
I will speak with this man, let him know the possibilities and let him make the
decision. I got the feeling that he was in significant distress with his overall
structure that he was interested in getting some relief, however he was
concerned with structural changes that might happen in his mouth. I will find
out timing, maybe we can fit the full 10 in before he is fitted. I would prefer
that route myself.
I thank everyone again for your responses,
Alyssa

DoctorDohn@... wrote:
I concur with Kathleen.  I have seen the changes occur and it seems to  me to
do the session work first.  This information is anecdotal only and I  am more
than willing to learn more.

Dr. Jim Dohn


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I concur with Kathleen.  I have seen the changes occur and it seems to  me to
do the session work first.  This information is anecdotal only and I  am more
than willing to learn more.

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Hi, Alyssa,

Not to contradict but to add to the discussion, I often sense a subtle change in
the shapes of things after the 7th session, so I would do the series work first
and allow the change, then have the fitting of the dentures so they will fit the
released mouth.  In fact, if clients already have dentures, I give them the
option of not getting much mouth work done if they are concerned or couldn't
afford to get them refitted if things change, or scheduling the mouth work
before they get them done again.  And yes, work with them out.  And with
sensitivity as some people are quite tender about having lost their teeth.

Best of blessings on your work!

Kathleen

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Hi,
I have a man requesting the 10 series, but he is also in the process of
getting fitted for dentures. Opinions?
Should we wait till he is fitted for the dentures before beginning the
series? Should we complete the 10 before he gets his dentures? Could we
start the process while he is being fitted for the dentures?

I have never worked with someone in this situation. Any feedback would
be appreciated.
Thank you,
Alyssa




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Thank you for your advice Michael,

This man has no teeth right now, so that will not be a problem. I will follow
your suggestion and not do the mouth work till his dentures are fitted. He also
has a scoliotic pattern which is bothering him, and this is what prompted his
interest inthe work.
M cranial skills are not sophisticated yet so I will balcance his neck and head
as well as I can, and if I feel his patterns are beyond my skills at the moment
I have people I can refer him to.
Thank you,
Alyssa

Michael Vilain <vilain@...> wrote:
>Hi,
>I have a man requesting the 10 series, but he is also in the process of
>getting fitted for dentures. Opinions?
>Should we wait till he is fitted for the dentures before beginning the
>series? Should we complete the 10 before he gets his dentures? Could we
>start the process while he is being fitted for the dentures?
>
>I have never worked with someone in this situation. Any feedback would
>be appreciated.
>Thank you,
>Alyssa

The only thing I can think of that might come up is if any teeth had
to be removed.  If all this has already happened and he's just being
fitted for them, I'd just go ahead with a series.  If I noticed
something in the cranium early like stuck sutures, I'd address it as
part of neck work at the end of a session (or where ever you do neck
work).

I wouldn't do a mouth session until after he'd been fitted with the
dentures and worn them for a while.  Maybe for a month or more if I
had to make up a timeframe.  And I would work on him without the
dentures being in his mouth.

How are your cranial skills?  Depending on the amount of prep-work
needed to fit him for dentures, he may need some torsions and other
things unwound after the fitting is complete and he's worn the things
for a while.

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>Hi,
>I have a man requesting the 10 series, but he is also in the process of
>getting fitted for dentures. Opinions?
>Should we wait till he is fitted for the dentures before beginning the
>series? Should we complete the 10 before he gets his dentures? Could we
>start the process while he is being fitted for the dentures?
>
>I have never worked with someone in this situation. Any feedback would
>be appreciated.
>Thank you,
>Alyssa

The only thing I can think of that might come up is if any teeth had
to be removed.  If all this has already happened and he's just being
fitted for them, I'd just go ahead with a series.  If I noticed
something in the cranium early like stuck sutures, I'd address it as
part of neck work at the end of a session (or where ever you do neck
work).

I wouldn't do a mouth session until after he'd been fitted with the
dentures and worn them for a while.  Maybe for a month or more if I
had to make up a timeframe.  And I would work on him without the
dentures being in his mouth.

How are your cranial skills?  Depending on the amount of prep-work
needed to fit him for dentures, he may need some torsions and other
things unwound after the fitting is complete and he's worn the things
for a while.

--

Michael Vilain, Certified Advanced Rolfer(r)
rolfer@...  http://www.vilain.com

Balance is a state of being;
Symmetry is an appearance;
Organization is a state of function, being, and movement;
Gravity is the opposite of comedy.

Hi,
I have a man requesting the 10 series, but he is also in the process of
getting fitted for dentures. Opinions?
Should we wait till he is fitted for the dentures before beginning the
series? Should we complete the 10 before he gets his dentures? Could we
start the process while he is being fitted for the dentures?

I have never worked with someone in this situation. Any feedback would
be appreciated.
Thank you,
Alyssa

SIX DAY SPINAL ROTATION/SCOLIOSIS WORKSHOP WITH SENIOR ROLF INSTITUTE TEACHERS
MICHAEL SALVESON AND JAN SULTAN--JULY 25-31 IN OAKLAND.

Many spinal rotation workshops primarily focus upon the mechanical aspects of
mobilizing rotations and side-bending in the spine without covering the crucial
issues of initiating factors and how to leave our clients integrated by allowing
an avenue of escape for the spinal torsion that is released.  This workshop will
explore the complexities of aberrant spinal rotations that we see in our clients
with special emphasis upon the associated causal factors of the arms, legs,
pelvis, and cranium.  Jan and Michael will demonstrate with models having actual
scoliosis patterns while covering both the theoretical knowledge to understand
these complex phenomena and offering nuts and bolts techniques to increase your
effectiveness in giving relief.

Please contact Bonnie Stephens at Amigosworkshop2@... for a detailed
description of the class and specifics about housing, carpooling and any other
questions you might have.

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Hi, fellow SI list members,

Just a reminder that the end of this month - 5 days hence - is the
deadline for the reduced rate to sign up for the IASI Symposium in
Seattle in October.  (http://www.theiasi.org/symposium.php)

If you are a IASI member:  you get a $75 discount on registration
through June 30, but not if you register after that date.

If you plan to be a IASI member:  Join before June 30, and you will
get the reduced rate on the Symposium, and pay for half your
membership right away!     (https://shell4.tdl.com/~iasi/apply.php)

Everyone who registers after July 1 will pay $295 (still a great deal
for the 3-day program) but IASI members who register before July 1
pay $225 (like, ridiculously low)

The Symposium, with its speakers, workshops, vendors, and
discussions, as well as the support and participation of all the
major schools of SI, is shaping up as a major event.

Hope to see you there,
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Hi all,
I'll be working with a client very soon who has coxa vara.  She had
appparent laxity of both femur heads in the acetabulums, leading to an
operation (when she was three years old) in which surgeons inserted
wires through the femur heads into the acetabulums to stabilize the
joints.  The wires have not been removed.  She has bilateral hip pain.
Has anyone worked with this before and can anyone offer any tips or
suggestions?  Does anyone know of any contraindications?
Thanks to all.
Tom Gordy.

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Flat feet and Running:

I forgot to add, regarding your question about other clients with
flat feet not having pain and he does - maybe the reason the other
clients did not have the pain with flat feet was because they were
loose enough in the leg muscles so that there was no excess severe
tightness when they dropped.  And also, maybe they had enough good
nourished tissue.

Haha - Old Age to add, I tell people, it just takes a long enough
time for that much tightness to accumulate.  Maybe you do, too.  I
also tell people it isn't some virus from Jupiter's outer moons
affecting their strutures either.

--- Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> There is 1 message in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re: Digest Number 279
>            From: Louis Gross <louisryoshin@...>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:06:45 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Louis Gross <louisryoshin@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 279
>
> Re:  Flat feet and leg pain, with stretches
>
> Flat feet:  My experience also includes peroneals as they have
> tendons that reach across the sole of the foot to the medial arch.
> Tighten them and it pulls the sole flatter.  These are connected
> not
> only to the outer pelvis and outer thigh but also in a zig zagging
> interconnection to the adductors, then to the outer pelvis above,
> and
> the peroneals & medial arch below.  Also above, the psoas is part
> of
> that zig zag in and out.  Maybe you know, so please excuse my
> details.
>
> And hamstrings always play a part in every leg issue I, myself have
> seen.  Tight hamstrings pull on the calves upward, which of course
> pulls on the achilles and foot thru the arch.  High arches, include
> of course, a pull up on the medial side of the leg.  And maybe that
> was there as well as any additional shortness he added to make the
> arches flat.  Everything is so interconnected that I think you're
> wise to keep focusing on it all, too, as you have done, as well as
> specifics.
>
> Stretching:  One localized stretch is walking on the outer, lateral
> arches of the feet, and having the toes pointed inward a bit with
> each step.  The idea would be to get a lengthening not only on the
> outside rear of the calf but all the way up, too.
>
> Then there are lunges and special kinds of wide horse stance squats
> for the adductors and medial calves, and the runners' stretch and
> others for the hamstrings and back of the leg to the heel.
>
> I find it works well leaning against a wall with hands outstretched
> with front leg bent and body actually leaning over the knee, so its
> heel is off the ground even.  Then, with rear leg extended, the
> front
> lean makes it easier to get that straight back while, importantly,
> keeping its heel off the floor. He should stand on the front ball
> of
> the foot and on each stretch area, to push the heel toward the
> floor
> as a lever to get the fascia to spread out.
>
> Then, rather than what he may be used to, of giving an overall
> pull,
> to do a section at a time, ankles - release - calves - release -
> behind knees - release - into hamstrings - release.  And also, to
> do
> it with rear foot toes pointing forward, then 45 degrees to
> outside,
> then 45 degrees to inside, then forward again.  Being a runner he
> may
> know this stretch as it's rather popular.  But most runners I have
> seen do it with the rear foot flat on the floor. Doing it the way I
> describe has given them greater stretching.  Turning the foot to
> different angles seems to get more fascia in more muscles to
> lengthen.  That's new to all the runners I showed this to.
>
> This does help the calves, too.
>
> You might want to use this technique as a way to have him pull on
> the
> specific areas you find tight...adjusting a leg and foot position
> and
> then using a lever of sorts to pull the fascia longer, little area
> by
> little area.
>
> Pain:  Obviously, things are still shortened, so when he stands
> with
> out the arch support, the tightness gets pulled on worse.  But
> there
> may be something you can do in the quality of the tissues
> nutritionally that could help the whole process.
>
> I have found that pain has a nutritional used-up factor of calcium,
> magnesium and other minerals, especially in people who have had a
> lot
> of tightness and pain for a while.  I have personally found kelp
> seaweed in multi-spoonful doses has helped rather quickly, the
> powdered (and capsuled) from Frontier Natural Food Coop sold in
> health food stores works well.
>
> I have also had good results using a large amount of organically
> grown dark green leafy vegetables, and especially their juices.
> (Kale, collards, chard, spinach, parsley, dandelion & beet greens,
> etc.  The first two have a lot of calcium, the last two a lot of
> magnesium.)  Even mixed with carrot juice it relaxes people's
> muscles
> and softens the tissue, which enables the Bodywork and Stretching
> to
> access more, easier, and there's much less pain, if pain at all, to
> the recipient during the work. Plus, there's less pain even during
> his day, and the person gets a little more flexible, too.
>
> If your client can get into these two food things, it might even
> help
> his running performance.
>
> Lou
>
>
>
> --- Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> > There are 4 messages in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> >       1. Re: Flat Feet
> >            From: jamie <jamie2hnts@...>
> >       2. Didier Prat, DO classes - a few spaces left
> >            From: Allan Kaplan <kaplanam1@...>
> >       3. Connecting Tissue and Medicine--conference/workshop
> 12-13
> > Aug in NY, NY
> >            From: "mev94303y" <vilain@...>
> >       4. Re: Flat Feet
> >            From: DoctorDohn@...
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________
> >
> > Message: 1
> >    Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT)
> >    From: jamie <jamie2hnts@...>
> > Subject: Re: Flat Feet
> >
> > I was thinking Tib. Post. too. The tendon could be frayed, so be
> > cautious.
> >
> > Matthew Williams <puma@...> wrote:Hi Rita,
> >
> > I would think the posterior compartment may be player too!
> > Tibialis posterior in particular when working in balance will
> keep
> > the arch up.  Certainly freeing the gastrock and especially
> soleus
> > are a good place to start.
> >
> > Keep plugging away!
> >
> > Matthew Williams
> > ArizonaSI.com
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: ritawithmagichands
> >   To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:17 AM
> >   Subject: [Structural_Integration] Flat Feet
> >
> >
> >   I have been reading this group for at least a year, and now I
> > have a question. Hopefully
> >   your collective knowledge with be helpful.
> >
> >   My client is a 52 year old man.
> >
> >   He has a healthy young body,  I thought he was about 40 when I
> > first saw him. He is
> >   however tight, limited range of motion in most all joints and
> to
> > top it off he is a jogger, he
> >   has been jogger for 10 years.
> >
> >   He claims if he didn't run he would do nothing.  He plays golf
> > but I have played golf and I
> >   don't think it is overly atheletic.  Golf and bowling are the
> > only 'sports' I can think of where
> >   you see people playing while smoking and drinking beer.
> >
> >   Anyway he claims that all his life he had very high arches.
> That
> > is until about 6 months
> >   ago.
> >
> >   He came saying he had pains in his legs.  He says that he can
> not
> > walk in his house
> >   without shoes anymore or his legs really hurt.
> >
> >
> >   Everything was tight, but the Gastro's were really tight.  It
> was
>
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Re:  Flat feet and leg pain, with stretches

Flat feet:  My experience also includes peroneals as they have
tendons that reach across the sole of the foot to the medial arch.
Tighten them and it pulls the sole flatter.  These are connected not
only to the outer pelvis and outer thigh but also in a zig zagging
interconnection to the adductors, then to the outer pelvis above, and
the peroneals & medial arch below.  Also above, the psoas is part of
that zig zag in and out.  Maybe you know, so please excuse my
details.

And hamstrings always play a part in every leg issue I, myself have
seen.  Tight hamstrings pull on the calves upward, which of course
pulls on the achilles and foot thru the arch.  High arches, include
of course, a pull up on the medial side of the leg.  And maybe that
was there as well as any additional shortness he added to make the
arches flat.  Everything is so interconnected that I think you're
wise to keep focusing on it all, too, as you have done, as well as
specifics.

Stretching:  One localized stretch is walking on the outer, lateral
arches of the feet, and having the toes pointed inward a bit with
each step.  The idea would be to get a lengthening not only on the
outside rear of the calf but all the way up, too.

Then there are lunges and special kinds of wide horse stance squats
for the adductors and medial calves, and the runners' stretch and
others for the hamstrings and back of the leg to the heel.

I find it works well leaning against a wall with hands outstretched
with front leg bent and body actually leaning over the knee, so its
heel is off the ground even.  Then, with rear leg extended, the front
lean makes it easier to get that straight back while, importantly,
keeping its heel off the floor. He should stand on the front ball of
the foot and on each stretch area, to push the heel toward the floor
as a lever to get the fascia to spread out.

Then, rather than what he may be used to, of giving an overall pull,
to do a section at a time, ankles - release - calves - release -
behind knees - release - into hamstrings - release.  And also, to do
it with rear foot toes pointing forward, then 45 degrees to outside,
then 45 degrees to inside, then forward again.  Being a runner he may
know this stretch as it's rather popular.  But most runners I have
seen do it with the rear foot flat on the floor. Doing it the way I
describe has given them greater stretching.  Turning the foot to
different angles seems to get more fascia in more muscles to
lengthen.  That's new to all the runners I showed this to.

This does help the calves, too.

You might want to use this technique as a way to have him pull on the
specific areas you find tight...adjusting a leg and foot position and
then using a lever of sorts to pull the fascia longer, little area by
little area.

Pain:  Obviously, things are still shortened, so when he stands with
out the arch support, the tightness gets pulled on worse.  But there
may be something you can do in the quality of the tissues
nutritionally that could help the whole process.

I have found that pain has a nutritional used-up factor of calcium,
magnesium and other minerals, especially in people who have had a lot
of tightness and pain for a while.  I have personally found kelp
seaweed in multi-spoonful doses has helped rather quickly, the
powdered (and capsuled) from Frontier Natural Food Coop sold in
health food stores works well.

I have also had good results using a large amount of organically
grown dark green leafy vegetables, and especially their juices.
(Kale, collards, chard, spinach, parsley, dandelion & beet greens,
etc.  The first two have a lot of calcium, the last two a lot of
magnesium.)  Even mixed with carrot juice it relaxes people's muscles
and softens the tissue, which enables the Bodywork and Stretching to
access more, easier, and there's much less pain, if pain at all, to
the recipient during the work. Plus, there's less pain even during
his day, and the person gets a little more flexible, too.

If your client can get into these two food things, it might even help
his running performance.

Lou



--- Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> There are 4 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re: Flat Feet
>            From: jamie <jamie2hnts@...>
>       2. Didier Prat, DO classes - a few spaces left
>            From: Allan Kaplan <kaplanam1@...>
>       3. Connecting Tissue and Medicine--conference/workshop 12-13
> Aug in NY, NY
>            From: "mev94303y" <vilain@...>
>       4. Re: Flat Feet
>            From: DoctorDohn@...
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: jamie <jamie2hnts@...>
> Subject: Re: Flat Feet
>
> I was thinking Tib. Post. too. The tendon could be frayed, so be
> cautious.
>
> Matthew Williams <puma@...> wrote:Hi Rita,
>
> I would think the posterior compartment may be player too!
> Tibialis posterior in particular when working in balance will keep
> the arch up.  Certainly freeing the gastrock and especially soleus
> are a good place to start.
>
> Keep plugging away!
>
> Matthew Williams
> ArizonaSI.com
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: ritawithmagichands
>   To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:17 AM
>   Subject: [Structural_Integration] Flat Feet
>
>
>   I have been reading this group for at least a year, and now I
> have a question. Hopefully
>   your collective knowledge with be helpful.
>
>   My client is a 52 year old man.
>
>   He has a healthy young body,  I thought he was about 40 when I
> first saw him. He is
>   however tight, limited range of motion in most all joints and to
> top it off he is a jogger, he
>   has been jogger for 10 years.
>
>   He claims if he didn't run he would do nothing.  He plays golf
> but I have played golf and I
>   don't think it is overly atheletic.  Golf and bowling are the
> only 'sports' I can think of where
>   you see people playing while smoking and drinking beer.
>
>   Anyway he claims that all his life he had very high arches.  That
> is until about 6 months
>   ago.
>
>   He came saying he had pains in his legs.  He says that he can not
> walk in his house
>   without shoes anymore or his legs really hurt.
>
>
>   Everything was tight, but the Gastro's were really tight.  It was
> just 'force and ignorance' to
>   loosen them up.
>
>   A week later he says his legs feel better, still some discomfort,
> but much better and he is
>   convinced that the work on the Gastro's was the major reason for
> it, though I would think
>   the rest of the work was important also.
>
>   The feet are still flat.  He says he can walk a little without
> shoes in the house before he is
>   really uncomfortable.
>
>   He says people tell him that it is natural for arches to fall as
> people get older.
>
>
>
>   My questions:
>
>   Would running over a long period of time cause arches to 'fall'?
> I can reason this one both
>   ways, any knowledgeable feedback?
>
>   It would seem to me with flat feet, there would be much less
> support in the legs and that
>   would account for the pain, but I think I have had other clients
> with flat feet who haven't
>   seemed to complain about leg pain like this fellow. Do flat feet
> equal leg pain most of the
>   time?
>
>   Is there an exercise that restores the arch?
>
>   Any feed back would be appreciated?
>
>
>
>   Rita
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>    Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:35:19 -0700
>    From: Allan Kaplan <kaplanam1@...>
> Subject: Didier Prat, DO classes - a few spaces left
>
> Hi there,
>
> There are only a few spaces left in both the Thorax and Whiplash
> classes
> offered with Didier Prat, D.O. this August.  Both classes are
> approved for
> CE credit.  Act now and really add an important dimension to your
> practice!
>
> Looking forward to another season of great classes,
>
> Allan Kaplan
>
>
> VISCERAL MANIPULATION WITH DIDIER PRAT, D.O.
> author, with Jean-Pierre Barral, of "New Techniques for the
> Urogenital
> System"
>
> The Thorax, with an introduction to Manual Thermal Diagnosis
> Saturday, August 6 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005, Ft. Collins,
> Colorado
>
> This class will examine the structures of the thorax in detail, and
> study
> the relationships of the lungs, pleurae, bronchi, and mediastinum
> with
> associated structures such as the neck, pharynx, ribs, sternum, and
> spine.
> Specific attention will be paid to palpatory skills, regional and
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I'm 58 years old, been jogging for twenty years, have flat feet and am an
avid golfer.  And have had over 100 structural integration sessions.
How's that for coincidence.
Here's my story.
I wear Step Forward Orthotics when I golf.  These are controversial yet they
work wonders for me.  And their sales materials promote balanced posture much
the same way that we do......I can only run a half mile or so in them though
because they begin to hurt then.  Recently I discovered www.pose-tech.com and
have become a born again runner with some very new and easy to learn running
techniques and postures.
It has been my experience that many structural integration lower limb
sessions are the still the best path to take for foot pain of any kind.
I would suggest that something changed in this person's world that he is not
so obvious about.......shoes, style, something......
Keep doing what you are doing and do more of it, I suggest.
Dr. Dohn


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Connecting Tissue and Medicine

A conference and workshop August 12th & 13th

With Robert Schleip MA, & Tom Findley, M.D., Ph.D



Dr. Tom Findley and Robert Schleip are leading a conference and workshop on
August
12th and 13th.  The focus of these events is, as the title suggests, the
integration of SI and
medicine. The two days are continuous with one another.  However, it is not
required that
the first day be attended in order to participate in the second day. A detailed
announcement of these events will be distributed in the weeks to come.

The conference is on August 12th, 1:15-4:15 and will be in East Orange, New
Jersey.  For
exact location contact Jason DeFilippis defilippis@.... It will be
open to
anyone who wants to come.  It, as well as future events will be made available
through
either web-cast or conference technology, and archived on the Rolf Institute
website in
order to make them available to SI practitioners as well as to the medical
community.
Tom's preliminary data suggests that using structural integration to correct the
balance in
patients with certain; common medical illness may improve the medical condition.
This
poses some interesting questions regarding the relationship between structure
and
function.  Dr. Ida Rolf has said that if someone is not able (through his body)
to adjust to
his environment, insecurity will be the state of his body and thus the state of
his mind. Dr.
Findley's approach to the fundamental principles of structural integration is
both scientific
and intuitive. He will discuss balance as an in-depth issue susceptible to
scientific inquiry.



Robert will discuss aspects of his current research. Recent studies suggest that
fascia is
able to contract in a smooth-muscle-like manner and thereby influence
musculoskeletal
dynamics.  Furthermore, it has been shown that stimulation of fascial
mechanoreceptors
can trigger changes in ground substance viscosity, in Gamma motor tonus, and in
autonomic function.  An attitudinal shift is suggested; from a mechanical body
concept
towards a cybernetic model in which the practitioner's intervention is seen as
stimulation
for self-regulatory processes within the client's organism.  Dr. Hans Chaudhry
will discuss
his work on measuring the change in fascia during structural integration. 
Another area of
discussion will be the alteration of Jeff Linn's Digital Imaging System to the
use of digital
cameras.



The Workshop will be in Manhattan, and will take place on August 13th.  This is
an
"outside (or the Rolf Institute) workshop, hosted by Tom and Roberta and will be
open to
all members of the structural integration community.  It will involve talks be
Robert and
Tom, Q&A sessions and hands-on practical work in order to embody the subject
matter of
the two days.  Tom will demonstrate a medical evaluation on a patient who has
completed
the 10 series with the purpose of teaching practitioners about the interface
between SI and
medicine.  Practitioners will learn how to work with M.D's. Robert will talk
about the
relationship between therapeutic stimulation of mechanoreceptors and the
regulation of
fascial tonus.  Rather than working like a sculptor with a plastic medium, the
practitioner
is seen as communicating with an actively self-regulating organism.  Robert and
Tom will
also work together as well as answer questions that are related to their
respective areas of
experience and expertise.


For more information on Dr. Findley:
http://www.njpainandrehab.com/bios/tfindley_bio.htm

For more information on Robert Schleip:
http://www.fasciaresearch.com
http://www.somatics.de

A More detailed announcement of these events has been given to each of the
structural
integration schools that is recognized by the IASI and will be posted on the
IASI website.

For more information please talk to your school, see the IASI website or
contact:

Jason DeFilippis defilippis@...

Hi there,

There are only a few spaces left in both the Thorax and Whiplash classes
offered with Didier Prat, D.O. this August.  Both classes are approved for
CE credit.  Act now and really add an important dimension to your practice!

Looking forward to another season of great classes,

Allan Kaplan


VISCERAL MANIPULATION WITH DIDIER PRAT, D.O.
author, with Jean-Pierre Barral, of "New Techniques for the Urogenital
System"

The Thorax, with an introduction to Manual Thermal Diagnosis
Saturday, August 6 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005, Ft. Collins, Colorado

This class will examine the structures of the thorax in detail, and study
the relationships of the lungs, pleurae, bronchi, and mediastinum with
associated structures such as the neck, pharynx, ribs, sternum, and spine.
Specific attention will be paid to palpatory skills, regional and local
anatomy, structural relationships, and relevant pathologies.  In addition,
there will be an introduction to Manual Thermal Diagnosis, which Dr. Prat
uses as an integral part of his diagnostic process.

This is one of only two classes that Didier Prat will teach in North America
in 2005.  Didier has taught Visceral Manipulation extensively with
Jean-Pierre Barral over his 24-year career as an osteopath, and has served
as both Academic Director of their school in France, and Vice President of
the French Osteopathic Association.  He teaches and lectures regularly
around the world and has been teaching in the US for the past eleven years.
Didier has long ties with the Rolfing Community in the US, Europe, and
Brazil, and has given several presentations at the European Rolfing
Association Annual Meetings.

While prior study in Visceral and Cranial Manipulation is helpful, it is not
an absolute prerequisite for this class.  Study of ³The Thorax,² ³Manual
Thermal Diagnosis,² and ³Visceral Manipulation² by Jean-Pierre Barral
(Eastland Press) is highly recommended.

Didier will be teaching in English, and will be assisted his long-term
student Allan Kaplan (Advanced Rolfer & osteopathic student).  This is the
third season they have worked together, and we look forward to another great
class!

Tuition: $825; or $750 (save 10% = $75 if $300 deposit is received by June
1. Balance  is due July 15.  Details of class location and hotel information
will be sent when payment is received.

Didier will also be teaching Whiplash:  Genesis, Manifestations, and
Treatment
Friday, August 12 - Sunday, August 14, 2005 in Ft. Collins.

Please contact Allan Kaplan for further information by email
rolfer@... or calling 206-463-7560.


VISCERAL MANIPULATION WITH DIDIER PRAT, D.O.
author, with Jean-Pierre Barral, of "New Techniques for the Urogenital
System"

Whiplash: Genesis, Manifestations, and Treatment
Friday, August 12 - Sunday, August 14, 2005, Ft. Collins, Colorado

This is the first time this class is being taught outside France.  The class
is an in-depth study of the untreated whiplash. It will investigate how the
body responds to the trauma of whiplash, how it creates systems of
adaptation, and how the adaptations spread through the body from head to toe
and evolve over time.  It will consider the short-, medium-, and long-term
effects to the cranium, spinal segments, thorax, pelvic floor, the thoracic
and abdominal viscera, and the craniosacral system.  Dr. Prat will cover
analysis of the impact in the structure, the types of fixations that occur,
and their treatment.

This is one of only two classes that Didier Prat will teach in North America
in 2005.  Didier has taught Visceral Manipulation extensively with
Jean-Pierre Barral over his 24-year career as an osteopath, and has served
as both Academic Director of their school in France, and Vice President of
the French Osteopathic Association.  He teaches and lectures regularly
around the world and has been teaching in the US for the past eleven years.
Didier has long ties with the Rolfing Community in the US, Europe, and
Brazil, and has given several presentations at the European Rolfing
Association Annual Meetings.

Prior study in Visceral and Cranial Manipulation is highly recommended.
Those without experience must receive approval of the instructor.  Study of
³Trauma² by Jean-Pierre Barral (Eastland Press) is suggested.

Tuition: $500; or $450 (save 10% = $50) if $300 deposit is received by June
1.  Balance is due July 15.  Details of class location and hotel information
will be sent when payment is received.  Didier will be teaching the class in
English.

Didier will also be teaching The Thorax, with an introduction to Manual
Thermal Diagnosis Saturday, August 6 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 in Ft.
Collins.

Please contact Allan Kaplan for further information by email
rolfer@... or calling 206-463-7560.




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I was thinking Tib. Post. too. The tendon could be frayed, so be cautious.

Matthew Williams <puma@...> wrote:Hi Rita,

I would think the posterior compartment may be player too!  Tibialis posterior
in particular when working in balance will keep the arch up.  Certainly freeing
the gastrock and especially soleus are a good place to start.

Keep plugging away!

Matthew Williams
ArizonaSI.com
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ritawithmagichands
   To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:17 AM
   Subject: [Structural_Integration] Flat Feet


   I have been reading this group for at least a year, and now I have a question.
Hopefully
   your collective knowledge with be helpful.

   My client is a 52 year old man.

   He has a healthy young body,  I thought he was about 40 when I first saw him.
He is
   however tight, limited range of motion in most all joints and to top it off he
is a jogger, he
   has been jogger for 10 years.

   He claims if he didn't run he would do nothing.  He plays golf but I have
played golf and I
   don't think it is overly atheletic.  Golf and bowling are the only 'sports' I
can think of where
   you see people playing while smoking and drinking beer.

   Anyway he claims that all his life he had very high arches.  That is until
about 6 months
   ago.

   He came saying he had pains in his legs.  He says that he can not walk in his
house
   without shoes anymore or his legs really hurt.


   Everything was tight, but the Gastro's were really tight.  It was just 'force
and ignorance' to
   loosen them up.

   A week later he says his legs feel better, still some discomfort, but much
better and he is
   convinced that the work on the Gastro's was the major reason for it, though I
would think
   the rest of the work was important also.

   The feet are still flat.  He says he can walk a little without shoes in the
house before he is
   really uncomfortable.

   He says people tell him that it is natural for arches to fall as people get
older.



   My questions:

   Would running over a long period of time cause arches to 'fall'?  I can reason
this one both
   ways, any knowledgeable feedback?

   It would seem to me with flat feet, there would be much less support in the
legs and that
   would account for the pain, but I think I have had other clients with flat
feet who haven't
   seemed to complain about leg pain like this fellow. Do flat feet equal leg
pain most of the
   time?

   Is there an exercise that restores the arch?

   Any feed back would be appreciated?



   Rita







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Hi Rita,

I would think the posterior compartment may be player too!  Tibialis posterior
in particular when working in balance will keep the arch up.  Certainly freeing
the gastrock and especially soleus are a good place to start.

Keep plugging away!

Matthew Williams
ArizonaSI.com
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ritawithmagichands
   To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 5:17 AM
   Subject: [Structural_Integration] Flat Feet


   I have been reading this group for at least a year, and now I have a question.
Hopefully
   your collective knowledge with be helpful.

   My client is a 52 year old man.

   He has a healthy young body,  I thought he was about 40 when I first saw him.
He is
   however tight, limited range of motion in most all joints and to top it off he
is a jogger, he
   has been jogger for 10 years.

   He claims if he didn't run he would do nothing.  He plays golf but I have
played golf and I
   don't think it is overly atheletic.  Golf and bowling are the only 'sports' I
can think of where
   you see people playing while smoking and drinking beer.

   Anyway he claims that all his life he had very high arches.  That is until
about 6 months
   ago.

   He came saying he had pains in his legs.  He says that he can not walk in his
house
   without shoes anymore or his legs really hurt.


   Everything was tight, but the Gastro's were really tight.  It was just 'force
and ignorance' to
   loosen them up.

   A week later he says his legs feel better, still some discomfort, but much
better and he is
   convinced that the work on the Gastro's was the major reason for it, though I
would think
   the rest of the work was important also.

   The feet are still flat.  He says he can walk a little without shoes in the
house before he is
   really uncomfortable.

   He says people tell him that it is natural for arches to fall as people get
older.



   My questions:

   Would running over a long period of time cause arches to 'fall'?  I can reason
this one both
   ways, any knowledgeable feedback?

   It would seem to me with flat feet, there would be much less support in the
legs and that
   would account for the pain, but I think I have had other clients with flat
feet who haven't
   seemed to complain about leg pain like this fellow. Do flat feet equal leg
pain most of the
   time?

   Is there an exercise that restores the arch?

   Any feed back would be appreciated?



   Rita







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>
>My questions:
>
>Would running over a long period of time cause arches to 'fall'?  I
>can reason this one both ways, any knowledgeable feedback?
>
>It would seem to me with flat feet, there would be much less support
>in the legs and that would account for the pain, but I think I have
>had other clients with flat feet who haven't seemed to complain
>about leg pain like this fellow. Do flat feet equal leg pain most of
>the time?
>
>Is there an exercise that restores the arch?
>
>Any feed back would be appreciated?
>
>Rita

Welcome Rita, now that you've "demuffined" (switched from lurking to
actively participating).

I haven't had someone's arches fall over time.  In fact, most of my
clients who have high arches need occasional work to keep them open
and moving.  This goes double for golfers.  In my clients, the golf
swing seems to cause fixation of the phelangionavicular joint on one
foot and the phelangiocuboid joint on the other (depends on if they
swing left or right handed).

Some of the work I've learned can help restore some collapsed arches.
It's a combination of mobilizing the joints and bones.  At the very
least, it gets things moving.  Phelangionavicular, phelangiocuboid,
ensuring the phelanges can roll medial and lateral, the subtalar
joint, and the tibiotalus joint--these may all be involved.  The
myofascial component involves the plantar fascia, all three arches,
the peronials, and anterior tibial compartment.

You did some good work in the back of foreleg.  I'd work further on
the front of the foreleg to "wake up" the "stirup muscles" that help
pull up the arch.  Another great place is to get both ends of the
fibular moving.  If the fibula is stuck and can't twist, I've seen
this cause a collapsed arch.  You can work on the both fibular ends
cueing movement (toes up, heel down, heel up, toes down) or do
myofascial work on the interosseous membrane.  Either can free up the
fibula and "wake up" the support muscles.

The only exercises I can think of are the "toes up, heel down, heel
up, heel down, toes down" type I learned in my basic Rolfing training.

To open up the plantar fascia, I give clients a large "superball" (2"
or larger).  They don't "roll around" on the ball.  Rather, they
stand and sink into a tender place.  The client controls the pressure
and location, but usually that place at the proximal end of the
calcaneous (I call it the "eye of the foot") is good.  The client
will find the tender places.  Such balls are hard to find but it has
to be a solid, _hard_ ball.  A tennis or handball won't do and a golf
ball is to small.  Check your local toy store.

Good luck.

I have been reading this group for at least a year, and now I have a question.
Hopefully
your collective knowledge with be helpful.

My client is a 52 year old man.

He has a healthy young body,  I thought he was about 40 when I first saw him. He
is
however tight, limited range of motion in most all joints and to top it off he
is a jogger, he
has been jogger for 10 years.

He claims if he didn't run he would do nothing.  He plays golf but I have played
golf and I
don't think it is overly atheletic.  Golf and bowling are the only 'sports' I
can think of where
you see people playing while smoking and drinking beer.

Anyway he claims that all his life he had very high arches.  That is until about
6 months
ago.

He came saying he had pains in his legs.  He says that he can not walk in his
house
without shoes anymore or his legs really hurt.


Everything was tight, but the Gastro's were really tight.  It was just 'force
and ignorance' to
loosen them up.

A week later he says his legs feel better, still some discomfort, but much
better and he is
convinced that the work on the Gastro's was the major reason for it, though I
would think
the rest of the work was important also.

The feet are still flat.  He says he can walk a little without shoes in the
house before he is
really uncomfortable.

He says people tell him that it is natural for arches to fall as people get
older.



My questions:

Would running over a long period of time cause arches to 'fall'?  I can reason
this one both
ways, any knowledgeable feedback?

It would seem to me with flat feet, there would be much less support in the legs
and that
would account for the pain, but I think I have had other clients with flat feet
who haven't
seemed to complain about leg pain like this fellow. Do flat feet equal leg pain
most of the
time?

Is there an exercise that restores the arch?

Any feed back would be appreciated?



Rita

Does anyone know of an SI practitioner in Boise?

thanks,
Catherine Taye

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> Greetings all! I hope Summer vacation is all under way for us all. I
> have a client who is relocating to the Chicago area. She is a highly
> motivated individual who is looking for  a SI therapist with experience
> working with scoliosis. Before she leaves we will have completed 9 of
> the session series. We looked at the various sites and there are many
> therapists to choose from, does anyone know of one that they would
> recommend with experience with scoliosis?
> Thanking you in advance. Have a great summer!
>
> Dallas in Tampa

I've been in classes with these guys.  They're good.

Heidi Massa Certified Advanced Rolfer, Rolf Movement Practitioner
Chicago, Illinois  USA  60610
Office: (312) 943-5808  

Donald Soule, M.A., Certified Advanced Rolfer
Chicago, Illinois  USA  
Office: (847) 275-8825  

Greetings all! I hope Summer vacation is all under way for us all. I
have a client who is relocating to the Chicago area. She is a highly
motivated individual who is looking for  a SI therapist with experience
working with scoliosis. Before she leaves we will have completed 9 of
the session series. We looked at the various sites and there are many
therapists to choose from, does anyone know of one that they would
recommend with experience with scoliosis?
Thanking you in advance. Have a great summer!

Dallas in Tampa

Is there someone in Cannes for a very good client of mine who will be
in France in the Summer?

Thanks for your help
Roger Golten
Hellerwork Practitioner in London
& author of "The Owners Guide to the Body"
www.golten.co.uk
roger(at)golten.co.uk (not the .net address)

Chance

I took a six day in NYC and loved it it not only gave
me a fresh new look but a deeper understanding of SI.
Doing another one this fall and plan too keep up up
every yr. Great way to keep inspired!
Judith is great and works a lot with movement.
Wouls highly recomend it1

Lora

--- chancellormobley <chancemobley@...> wrote:
>
> Has any one taken a "Post Ten Work: A Structural
> Integration
> 3-Series"
> workshop through the Guild and be willing to share
> something about
> their experience?  Can any one comment on Judith
> Roberts
> classes, work  or teaching style?  I would
> appreciate your comments.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chance Mobley
>
>
>
>

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Contact Mike Kastris, Certified Hellerwork Practitioner in Las Vegas at
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Upcoming: Stretching Retreat Weekends for RSI in June and July. See my
website for details.

<<Mike Duray writes:

Can any one give a personal referral for a practitioner in Las Vegas or
Naples, Fla?...

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<mgdbodymechanic@e...> wrote:
> Can any one give a personal referral for a practitioner in Las Vegas or
> Naples, Fla?...

Bich Thuy Callens in Las Vegas.
btcallens@...
702.232.6105

regards...