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#802 From: "Patricia Smith" <patsmithbigfoot@...>
Date: Mon May 2, 2005 11:10 pm
Subject: Sad news
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Fellow Group Members,


I have been informed that Peter Melchior has died.

This was a good man who made a great contribution to Structural Integration.

He leaves behind a wife, children, and a great many friends & students.

May our prayers be with his family here on earth and with him as goes onward.


Yours,

Pat

#801 From: obd <obd@...>
Date: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: Saline injections in calf
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Garrel,
You are right in being VERY carefull around the area.
However, you CAN  work on it directly, only just intentionally. Just as you
would work a foot/leg with heavy varicosity of blood vessels very close to
the surface. i.e.: hold the area between your hands very gently and softly
just "nudge" the tissue to were you want it to go, while asking her for foot
movement.
Orna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrell Herndon" <yogapractice@...>
To: <Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 3:40 PM
Subject: [Structural_Integration] Saline injections in calf


> Hello all,
>
> I have a friend/client whose had some sort of salt water injections in
> her calf. It was a procedure that was to help improve the way her veins
> appeared in the calf.  She's active and muscular, and the vein had a
> "knotted look" close to the surface. The procdure caused some brusing,
> and there are small lumps that are apparent to the touch. She's
> concerned about the 2nd hour work, and doesn't want me working the area
> directly.
>
> She's had breast implants years ago, and is considering having them
> removed. She feels they're so obvious, she no longer wants that kind of
> attention.
>
> I will follow her wishes on Session 2. Has anyone had anything similar?
> Is it best to avoid the calf itself, and work around the area?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> garrell
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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#800 From: Garrell Herndon <yogapractice@...>
Date: Fri Apr 29, 2005 1:40 pm
Subject: Saline injections in calf
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Hello all,

I have a friend/client whose had some sort of salt water injections in
her calf. It was a procedure that was to help improve the way her veins
appeared in the calf.  She's active and muscular, and the vein had a
"knotted look" close to the surface. The procdure caused some brusing,
and there are small lumps that are apparent to the touch. She's
concerned about the 2nd hour work, and doesn't want me working the area
directly.

She's had breast implants years ago, and is considering having them
removed. She feels they're so obvious, she no longer wants that kind of
attention.

I will follow her wishes on Session 2. Has anyone had anything similar?
Is it best to avoid the calf itself, and work around the area?

Thanks in advance,
garrell

#799 From: Keith Eric Grant <keg@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:38 pm
Subject: Preventing Dance Injuries (Book) plus more
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I was going through my recent email notices from Human Kinetics Press.
Thought this might be of interest to some.

Preventing Dance Injuries-2nd Edition
Solomon, Ruth
Copyright 2005 ISBN: 0736055673
http://www.humankinetics.com/products/showproduct.cfm?isbn=0736055673&associate=\
3394


While I'm at it, another book that I've used as a reference a number of
times in my writing and work (I have the first ed., this is the 2nd) is

The Biophysical Foundations of Human Movement-2nd Edition
Abernethy, Bruce
Copyright 2005 ISBN: 0736042768
http://www.humankinetics.com/products/showproduct.cfm?isbn=0736042768

and, here's another biomechanics of movement book that looks good.

Biomechanics of Sport and Exercise-2nd Edition
McGinnis, Peter M.
Copyright 2005 ISBN: 0736051015
http://www.humankinetics.com/products/showproduct.cfm?isbn=0736051015

I have no financial interest in Human Kinetics, but have order a number of
books because of their emphasis on dance, movement, sports, and sports injuries.

In the last category, I've enjoyed the book and separate CD of color
drawings of

Sports Injuries-3rd Edition - Their Prevention and Treatment
Peterson, Lars
Copyright 2001 ISBN: 0736036210

HK also has some excellant books by Eric Franklin on ideokinesis
(neuromuscular programming via use of imagery)

Dynamic Alignment Through Imagery
http://www.humankinetics.com/products/showproduct.cfm?isbn=0873224752

Conditioning for Dance
http://www.humankinetics.com/products/showproduct.cfm?isbn=0736041567

Dance Imagery for Technique and Performance
http://www.humankinetics.com/products/showproduct.cfm?isbn=0873229436

Franklin has a book on neck and shoulder release under another publisher
Relax Your Neck, Liberate Your Shoulders
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0871272482/qid=1114698814/sr=8-1/r\
ef=pd_csp_1/102-0611694-6753748?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Enough already. :-)

...Keith

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#798 From: ScottGaut@...
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:15 am
Subject: Re: Diastasis Recti
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Hi Buddy,

The several women I have worked on with this condition appeared to get good
results.  It was interesting though during the 5th hour when I expected to do a
lot of work on the recti itself, I spent more time just on sorting out and
smoothing the other abdominal layers.  I guess when the abdominal wall is
stretched that much  it can get very confusing as to which way is which for
those
different layers.  Sometimes a C-section is also involved, so ask about that.

Scott

#797 From: Buddy Frank <bfrank@...>
Date: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:05 am
Subject: Diastasis Recti
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Howdy-

I just had a client call and ask me about her condiditon, Diastasis Recti, a
post-partum separation of the abdominal wall.  I¹ve never worked with this
condition, but it seems that it might be a lot like working with a hernia.

I would appreciate any enlightening info on this subject.

Thanks!

Buddy Frank




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#796 From: "chancellormobley" <chancemobley@...>
Date: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:54 am
Subject: thanks
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Carol.  Hyatt.

Thanks for the replys.  Perhaps I'll get to dance with Judith
too.

Chance Mobley

#795 From: Carol Orrell <carol@...>
Date: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:15 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 257
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I took a post 10 from Judith 2 years ago.  Her work is inspiring.  She comes
from a dance background and works with lots of dancers in NYC.  I personally
experienced her working on my cranium/neck and it was a very powerful release. 
The results of the post-10  3 series on her model gave me a whole new way of
seeing.  We did polarids of 10 of us doing various movements and had the
pictures blown up to poster size so we could see the variations in body
restrictions.  Very instructive.


Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
www.manualtherapysolutions.com
Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
By appointment only 540-846-7653




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#794 From: saikin
Date: Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: 3-series
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Chance.

I did some work afew years ago with Judith Roberts one on one in her New York
City office.
I found her communication clear.

It was time very well spent for me.


Hyatt



On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:10 PM, chancellormobley wrote:



Has any one taken a "Post Ten Work: A Structural Integration
3-Series"
workshop through the Guild and be willing to share something about
their experience?  Can any one comment on Judith Roberts
classes, work  or teaching style?  I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks,

Chance Mobley

#793 From: "chancellormobley" <chancemobley@...>
Date: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:10 pm
Subject: 3-series
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Has any one taken a "Post Ten Work: A Structural Integration
3-Series"
workshop through the Guild and be willing to share something about
their experience?  Can any one comment on Judith Roberts
classes, work  or teaching style?  I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks,

Chance Mobley

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Date: Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:13 am
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#791 From: david wronski <davidwronski@...>
Date: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: Re: This Just In
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Reda,

You are a true Renaissance man; er...consumer.

A

redaelandaloussi <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Ace,

These guys seemed a little radical for me. I think for now I will
stick with non-medical Foreskin Restoration, until I get comfortable
with the taping method, and all the trial and error rituals. You
will notice some interesting parallels with the besoming method you
mentioned, if you pay close attention to the technical non-medical
self how-tos.
References (attention - adult informative material):
* http://www.norm.org/
* http://www.eskimo.com/~gburlin/restore/
The restoration of mutilated males happens to be a subject worth
propagating. But enough for here, others say it better than I could;
I will let you discover on your own. Don't be shy, go ahead, open
the curtain...

Reda


--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, david wronski
<davidwronski@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I recently discovered yet another branching
> in our fascinating field. This is in no way a recommendation
> ...








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#790 From: redaelandaloussi
Date: Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:28 am
Subject: Re: This Just In
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Ace,

These guys seemed a little radical for me. I think for now I will
stick with non-medical Foreskin Restoration, until I get comfortable
with the taping method, and all the trial and error rituals. You
will notice some interesting parallels with the besoming method you
mentioned, if you pay close attention to the technical non-medical
self how-tos.
References (attention - adult informative material):
* http://www.norm.org/
* http://www.eskimo.com/~gburlin/restore/
The restoration of mutilated males happens to be a subject worth
propagating. But enough for here, others say it better than I could;
I will let you discover on your own. Don't be shy, go ahead, open
the curtain...

Reda


--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, david wronski
<davidwronski@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I recently discovered yet another branching
> in our fascinating field. This is in no way a recommendation
> ...

#789 From: redaelandaloussi
Date: Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:23 am
Subject: Mirror magic mirror
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> Reda, are you a Structural Integrator?

Once again the magic mirror is compelled to come out of the bag.

The question is: is this group a group of Structural Integrators?

* surely anyone can see that no credential checking is possible.

* But most importantly, if we betray such an important rule as 'Do No
Harm', then do we deserve to call ourselves Structural Integrators? If
we fail such a basic test common to any health care provider at least
since Hippocrates, then do we deserve our diplomas?

We have collectively categorically refused to look into the fact that
limiting the stated scope of this forum to Structrural Integrators
only, actually harms people who could use this forum for very
legitimate health reasons for instance. The mechanism is simple. If we
are not clear, then some people will miss this resource when they need
it. Some people are harmed by the present mission statements.

Lately, even Orna has changed her wording, saying that she considers
the forum useful for SI practitioners and others as well. This
statement has been echoed by the forum censors.

This is a significant shift. Orna used to be a fierce oponent of the
very idea of talking about this group in a way that would be inclusive
of other SI information conmsumers. The group censors have refused to
consider the changes I proposed that would reflect such an inclusion.
Let me remind you that I have worked on the proposed changes for
years, and took into account the fierce opposition of Orna. The
wording I proposed is the result of a lot of time, heated exchanges,
and reflection.

And now the trend is to acknowledge that the forum is useful to more
that just SI practitioners. We are a close step away to finally stop
the 'harm'.

perhaps then we can call ourselves Structural integrators again. Until
then Ron, we just can't. Not you, and not anyone who has resisted,
even passively, the process of changing the mission statenments to be
inclusive of other human beings. Shame on those who actually ignore
the subject just to see me struggle alone with this issue.

Thank you Ron for serving this oportunity on a silver tray.


Reda


--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, Ronraven@a... wrote:
>
> Reda, are you a Structural Integrator?
>
> Ron
>

#788 From: Allan Kaplan <kaplanam1@...>
Date: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:08 pm
Subject: re: Didier Prat classes - CE credit
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BTW, the Thorax class is approved for CE credit, and the Whiplash class is
pending approval.

For more info contact Allan Kaplan at <rolfer@...> or 206-463-7560.


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#787 From: Thomas Myers <kinesis@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:43 pm
Subject: And some more visceral classes in beautiful coastal Maine
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Hi

While we're on the subject of advertising visceral classes (and I can
recommend Didier's from personal experience for you Coloradans), there
are two others for those on the East Coast:

Where:  Coastal Maine, about an hour east of Portland, or 3 hours from
Boston.

Aug 4 - 7:  Visceral 1 - The Digestive System, with Christoph Sommer
and Thomas Myers

Christoph has been a Rolfer® for 18 years, and is a Rolf Institute
Teacher-in-training.  Christoph has the approval of Jean-Pierre Barral
to run Visceral workshops, having been an assistant to Dr Barrall since
1993.  Christoph also runs workshops for the European Rolfing
Association and for European osteopaths.

Tom Myers has been a Rolfer® for nearly 30 years, and will provide the
anatomical backdrop for Christoph's exquisite technique.

Aug 9 - 12:  Visceral 2 - The Urogenital System, with Christoph Sommer
and Pilar Martin

Christoph and Pilar offer a guided tour of the kidneys, bladder, and
uterus / prostate (and Tom again will offer anatomical support).  Pilar
has been a Rolfer® since 1990, and worked as a nurse midwife for a
decade before that.  She has assisted and co-taught with both Didier
and Jean-Pierre.  Her expertise in dealing with the female urogenital
system is unparalleled, and we are pleased to be able to offer this
quality of instruction on the east coast.

Each course is $600.  Inexpensive housing is available to early
registrants.  Email through info@..., or get more info at
www.anatomytrains.net in the courses section.

Thanks, Tom Myers

On Apr 13, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Allan Kaplan wrote:

> Hi there,
>
>  Following are the blurbs for both visceral classes with Didier Prat
> for this
>  year, Thorax and Whiplash.  Please note the tuition discount expires
> May 31.
>
>  Didier is looking forward to coming back to Ft. Collins and is
> excited to be
>  teaching his take on whiplash.  We¹re both looking forward to seeing
> you all
>  in August.
>
>  Allan Kaplan
>
>
>  VISCERAL MANIPULATION WITH DIDIER PRAT, D.O.
>  author, with Jean-Pierre Barral, of "New Techniques for the Urogenital
>  System"
>
>
>  The Thorax, with an introduction to Manual Thermal Diagnosis
>  Saturday, August 6 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005, Ft. Collins, Colorado
>
>
>  This class will examine the structures of the thorax in detail, and
> study
>  the relationships of the lungs, pleurae, bronchi, and mediastinum with
>  associated structures such as the neck, pharynx, ribs, sternum, and
> spine.
>  Specific attention will be paid to palpatory skills, regional and
> local
>  anatomy, structural relationships, and relevant pathologies.  In
> addition,
>  there will be an introduction to Manual Thermal Diagnosis, which Dr.
> Prat
>  uses as an integral part of his diagnostic process.
>
>  This is one of only two classes that Didier Prat will teach in North
> America
>  in 2005.  Didier has taught Visceral Manipulation extensively with
>  Jean-Pierre Barral over his 24-year career as an osteopath, and has
> served
>  as both Academic Director of their school in France, and Vice
> President of
>  the French Osteopathic Association.  He teaches and lectures regularly
>  around the world and has been teaching in the US for the past eleven
> years.
>  Didier has long ties with the Rolfing Community in the US, Europe, and
>  Brazil, and has given several presentations at the European Rolfing
>  Association Annual Meetings.
>
>  While prior study in Visceral and Cranial Manipulation is helpful, it
> is not
>  an absolute prerequisite for this class.  Study of ³The Thorax,²
> ³Manual
>  Thermal Diagnosis,² and ³Visceral Manipulation² by Jean-Pierre Barral
>  (Eastland Press) is highly recommended.
>
>  Didier will be teaching in English, and will be assisted his long-term
>  student Allan Kaplan (Advanced Rolfer & osteopathic student).  This
> is the
>  third season they have worked together, and we look forward to
> another great
>  class!
>
>  Tuition: $825; or $750 (save 10% = $75) if $300 deposit is received
> by June
>  1. Balance  is due July 15.  Details of class location and hotel
> information
>  will be sent when payment is received.
>
>  Didier will also be teaching Whiplash:  Genesis, Manifestations, and
>  Treatment
>  Friday, August 12 - Sunday, August 14, 2005 in Ft. Collins.
>
>  Please contact Allan Kaplan for further information by email
>  rolfer@... or calling 206-463-7560.
>
>
>  VISCERAL MANIPULATION WITH DIDIER PRAT, D.O.
>  author, with Jean-Pierre Barral, of "New Techniques for the Urogenital
>  System"
>
>
>  Whiplash: Genesis, Manifestations, and Treatment
>  Friday, August 12 - Sunday, August 14, 2005, Ft. Collins, Colorado
>
>
>
>  This is the first time this class is being taught outside France. 
> The class
>  is an in-depth study of the untreated whiplash. It will investigate
> how the
>  body responds to the trauma of whiplash, how it creates systems of
>  adaptation, and how the adaptations spread through the body from head
> to toe
>  and evolve over time.  It will consider the short-, medium-, and
> long-term
>  effects to the cranium, spinal segments, thorax, pelvic floor, the
> thoracic
>  and abdominal viscera, and the craniosacral system.  Dr. Prat will
> cover
>  analysis of the impact in the structure, the types of fixations that
> occur,
>  and their treatment.
>
>  This is one of only two classes that Didier Prat will teach in North
> America
>  in 2005.  Didier has taught Visceral Manipulation extensively with
>  Jean-Pierre Barral over his 24-year career as an osteopath, and has
> served
>  as both Academic Director of their school in France, and Vice
> President of
>  the French Osteopathic Association.  He teaches and lectures regularly
>  around the world and has been teaching in the US for the past eleven
> years.
>  Didier has long ties with the Rolfing Community in the US, Europe, and
>  Brazil, and has given several presentations at the European Rolfing
>  Association Annual Meetings.
>
>  Prior study in Visceral and Cranial Manipulation is highly
> recommended.
>  Those without experience must receive approval of the instructor. 
> Study of
>  ³Trauma² by Jean-Pierre Barral (Eastland Press) is suggested.
>
>  Tuition: $500; or $450 (save 10% = $50) if $300 deposit is received
> by June
>  1.  Balance is due July 15.  Details of class location and hotel
> information
>  will be sent when payment is received.  Didier will be teaching the
> class in
>  English.
>
>
>
>  Didier will also be teaching The Thorax, with an introduction to
> Manual
>  Thermal Diagnosis Saturday, August 6 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 in
> Ft.
>  Collins.
>
>
>  Please contact Allan Kaplan for further information by email
>  rolfer@... or calling 206-463-7560.
>
>
>
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
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#786 From: Allan Kaplan <kaplanam1@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:24 pm
Subject: Two upcoming classes with Didier Prat DO - advance notice
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Hi there,

Following are the blurbs for both visceral classes with Didier Prat for this
year, Thorax and Whiplash.  Please note the tuition discount expires May 31.

Didier is looking forward to coming back to Ft. Collins and is excited to be
teaching his take on whiplash.  We¹re both looking forward to seeing you all
in August.

Allan Kaplan


VISCERAL MANIPULATION WITH DIDIER PRAT, D.O.
author, with Jean-Pierre Barral, of "New Techniques for the Urogenital
System"


The Thorax, with an introduction to Manual Thermal Diagnosis
Saturday, August 6 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005, Ft. Collins, Colorado


This class will examine the structures of the thorax in detail, and study
the relationships of the lungs, pleurae, bronchi, and mediastinum with
associated structures such as the neck, pharynx, ribs, sternum, and spine.
Specific attention will be paid to palpatory skills, regional and local
anatomy, structural relationships, and relevant pathologies.  In addition,
there will be an introduction to Manual Thermal Diagnosis, which Dr. Prat
uses as an integral part of his diagnostic process.

This is one of only two classes that Didier Prat will teach in North America
in 2005.  Didier has taught Visceral Manipulation extensively with
Jean-Pierre Barral over his 24-year career as an osteopath, and has served
as both Academic Director of their school in France, and Vice President of
the French Osteopathic Association.  He teaches and lectures regularly
around the world and has been teaching in the US for the past eleven years.
Didier has long ties with the Rolfing Community in the US, Europe, and
Brazil, and has given several presentations at the European Rolfing
Association Annual Meetings.

While prior study in Visceral and Cranial Manipulation is helpful, it is not
an absolute prerequisite for this class.  Study of ³The Thorax,² ³Manual
Thermal Diagnosis,² and ³Visceral Manipulation² by Jean-Pierre Barral
(Eastland Press) is highly recommended.

Didier will be teaching in English, and will be assisted his long-term
student Allan Kaplan (Advanced Rolfer & osteopathic student).  This is the
third season they have worked together, and we look forward to another great
class!

Tuition: $825; or $750 (save 10% = $75) if $300 deposit is received by June
1. Balance  is due July 15.  Details of class location and hotel information
will be sent when payment is received.

Didier will also be teaching Whiplash:  Genesis, Manifestations, and
Treatment
Friday, August 12 - Sunday, August 14, 2005 in Ft. Collins.

Please contact Allan Kaplan for further information by email
rolfer@... or calling 206-463-7560.


VISCERAL MANIPULATION WITH DIDIER PRAT, D.O.
author, with Jean-Pierre Barral, of "New Techniques for the Urogenital
System"


Whiplash: Genesis, Manifestations, and Treatment
Friday, August 12 - Sunday, August 14, 2005, Ft. Collins, Colorado



This is the first time this class is being taught outside France.  The class
is an in-depth study of the untreated whiplash. It will investigate how the
body responds to the trauma of whiplash, how it creates systems of
adaptation, and how the adaptations spread through the body from head to toe
and evolve over time.  It will consider the short-, medium-, and long-term
effects to the cranium, spinal segments, thorax, pelvic floor, the thoracic
and abdominal viscera, and the craniosacral system.  Dr. Prat will cover
analysis of the impact in the structure, the types of fixations that occur,
and their treatment.

This is one of only two classes that Didier Prat will teach in North America
in 2005.  Didier has taught Visceral Manipulation extensively with
Jean-Pierre Barral over his 24-year career as an osteopath, and has served
as both Academic Director of their school in France, and Vice President of
the French Osteopathic Association.  He teaches and lectures regularly
around the world and has been teaching in the US for the past eleven years.
Didier has long ties with the Rolfing Community in the US, Europe, and
Brazil, and has given several presentations at the European Rolfing
Association Annual Meetings.

Prior study in Visceral and Cranial Manipulation is highly recommended.
Those without experience must receive approval of the instructor.  Study of
³Trauma² by Jean-Pierre Barral (Eastland Press) is suggested.

Tuition: $500; or $450 (save 10% = $50) if $300 deposit is received by June
1.  Balance is due July 15.  Details of class location and hotel information
will be sent when payment is received.  Didier will be teaching the class in
English.



Didier will also be teaching The Thorax, with an introduction to Manual
Thermal Diagnosis Saturday, August 6 - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 in Ft.
Collins.


Please contact Allan Kaplan for further information by email
rolfer@... or calling 206-463-7560.




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#785 From: sharon@...
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 5:46 pm
Subject: Workshop Space in the Philadelphia Area
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Hello All,

I am trying to determine the need for workshop space in the Philadelphia
area, near Valley Forge National Park. I am interested in getting involved
in a property that could be ideal for medium to large size workshops.

The space in question is very private, 900 square feet, newly carpeted, nice
natural light. A second area of the same size is also available on the same
property (on a different level) and could be rented simultaneously, for a
total of 1800 square feet of space. The space would be available for full
day or multiple full-day rental only at a rate of $300 - $325 per day per
900 sq ft area (negotiable for longer programs or trainings). Audio-visual
aids could be made available, in addition to any kind of chairs, tables or
other equipment needed, at an additional rental cost.

The space could be used for professional bodywork trainings or workshops of
any length.  With a nice, open floorplan, the space is ideal for movement
workshops and there is plenty of room for setting up meeting tables and
chairs, bodywork tables, etc. Lodging is located within walking distance and
the building is accessable to airport (Philadelphia) and train
transportation. Meals could be negotiated.

If there is enough interest in using the space, then it would be possible to
market your workshop or program through the marketing materials and website
that would be generated to promote all activities taking place on the site.
Additional marketing of your program could be negotiated at a nominal
additional fee.

Because a decision about whether to get involved in this property will need
to be made within the next few weeks, I'd like to hear from anyone who
offers workshops of a day or longer who might consider coming to the
Philadelphia area to teach their program. No need to make a committment now.
I am just trying to guage whether the space can be filled over time with
workshops other than my own.

Please email me if you offer workshops or programs where you need workshop
space or need a program producer to bring your program to this bustling,
affluent area of the country.

Many thanks,
Sharon Butler, Certified Hellerwork Practitioner
http://www.selfcare4rsi.com

#784 From: robflammia@...
Date: Sat Apr 9, 2005 11:19 am
Subject: Wednesday April 27: An event full day...
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Four of us is the beginning of a get together/gathering on April 27th to take
in   http://www.theuniversewithin.org/  in San Francisco.  We are purchasing
tickets for an 11AM entry.  We will cross the street walk the Grace Cathedral
labyrinth and then have lunch and a discussion.

Lengths of time for the events and a lunch place have not been determined.
Feel free to join us for all or any part of the day.  20 paid admissions
qualifies us for an exhibit group discount if all enter at the same time.  List
members respond off list to this e-mail.

Expo and ticketing info is at... http://www.theuniversewithin.org/
Robert Flammia,
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#783 From: Bevin Keely <bevinkeely@...>
Date: Sat Apr 2, 2005 2:34 am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 250
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GROOOOOAAAAAAN!  Thanks for making me smile guys.  bevin

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>       2. Re: This Just In
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#782 From: DoctorDohn@...
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: This Just In
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Dear Ace,

The thoroughness of your review is matched only by the magnaminity of the
threat Structural Integration faces from this new  technique/group/broom.  I'll
bet they are already cleaning up with this  device.

I would expect your review, graphics included, should be featured in the
next IASI Journal.

There are probably those up tight individuals, those that seem to have a
broom stick shoved somewhere, may not recognize the far reaching implications of
what you have so deftly uncovered.

Before the world gets unwittingly swept away with this it is important to
get the word out.

I'm certain there is no accident that the brooms are "Corn Brooms".
I'm certain.

We thank you.

Jim


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#781 From: david wronski <davidwronski@...>
Date: Fri Apr 1, 2005 8:22 pm
Subject: This Just In
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Dear Friends,



I recently discovered yet another branching in our fascinating field. This is in
no way a recommendation and I don’t vouch for the efficacy of the method being
described. Just your humble reporter, at your service.



Here’s a brief recount of the four w’s:



Recently at the mall I spotted this fine young fellow who had the kind of
posture and bearing that we PROFESSIONALS would instantly recognize as
“structurally integrated.” I approached and introduced myself and asked, “Who is
your Rolfer?” Well, first he chided me for using the term without the requisite
qualifiers; for which lapse I apologized. Then he told me what at first seemed
to be a total shaggy dog story; but, it gets more interesting, so read on.



He said that he wasn’t “Rolfed,” but in fact was “Besomed.” Before telling me
all about what I am about to share with you, he counseled me that the terms
“Besom” (proper noun and verb usages) and “Besomer” (trained/certified
practitioner) were privileged terms, there being huge legal and karmic
repercussions to use these words even in ordinary speech, even in the privacy of
one’s own home. It seems that the name came about as a nickname based on the
name of the developer of this unique approach, who is seen here:
http://www.and1e.freeserve.co.uk/menu/pice.htm.  I may be going out on a limb to
share all this with the group, but I am a professional after all and therewith
comes responsibility to my fellows (used in the gender neutral sense). I’m not
going to tempt fate; however, so the reference to “Besom” (just then) is the
last time I will use the term. Next time I hack into the akashic record files
I’ll try to erase any evidence that I’ve violated anyone’s rights in this
matter.
  Pray for me. And, while your at it, excuuuuse me! too.



Anyway, it seems that this approach that I discovered by happenstance seems to
have some parallels with our own beloved craft. And, since there is a growing
interest in gadgets in the group, I also thought that, this new approach being
built as it is around an electro/mechanical device, there would be some
interest, particularly among those advanced practitioners working at the leading
edge in our field. You know who you are.



The device in question is worn on the body, in the back. It is composed of a
long hardwood dowel with some sort of stiff flexible fibers attached to the
bottom. The closest I can come to telling you what it’s like is to have you
imagine a broom.



It seems that the original way this worked was by strapping the thing onto one’s
back with the shoulder of the business end of good old fashioned hand made broom
right over the sacrum. The handle was positioned to align with the spine. In the
early days they used good old duct tape to attach the broom to the pelvis,
around the chest, and around the head. Evidently wearing this contraption over a
prescribed number of weeks (10 was originally recommended. Can you believe it!)
showed some remarkable improvements in posture among many of whom, as we used to
say in my old marketing days, are called “early adopters.” As near as I can
discern the core concept has to do with some sort of resonance at the level of
the parasympathetic nervous system and the causal body with the vertical
arrangement of the wood fibers in the dowel itself. No “spare the rod” in this
crowd — tough love if you ask me.



It seems that this is not a new field at all and that there are now several
schisms developing out there, each with a slightly different spin on the basic
technique. There are, naturally, the traditionalists who hew to the old man’s
original ways—old fashioned, hand made broom and duck tape and off you go.



Some thought there could be room for improvement. Obviously, the one thing that
always seemed to come up was the issue of pain. Getting that duck tape off was
painful and no amount of pussyfooting around that fact seemed to dissuade
anyone.



There is naturally the group of young turks who feel there is plenty of room in
the field for experimentation/improvements.  They now say it’s gentle. In fact
they talk about how it is also "new and improved." (Now, as a former marketing
guru, I don’t get the wisdom of saying that something is new and improved when
the people who you are offering it to don’t have any clue what the thing is in
the first place. I’m just not enough of a philosopher to understand that.)



The gentle technique seems to involve wrapping the areas of the body where the
duct tape goes with some soft felt straps. This, even to me is an obvious
improvement for any number of reasons which I won’t get into at this time. 
(There is an intense debate within the group of professionals practicing this
approach. The traditionalists feel that the direct tape-on-skin makes for what
they call the experience of “purchase.” But the innovators aren’t buying it. The
trads subject the new-bees to stinging mockery and call them “kid glovers.” You
could say that the gloves are off on this one. Let the marketplace of ideas
decide.)



It doesn’t end there; even if you decide to stop reading this report. The
originator (seen here: http://www.and1e.freeserve.co.uk/menu/pice.htm) did his
homework and learned a few things from the experiences within our SI community.
He anticipated that some folks would want to put a few new spins on the old
man’s basic approach. For instance, if you wonder whether there might be
sufficient attention paid to the psychological factors, suffice it to say, and,
as you could imagine, walking around with what for all practical purposes looks
like a broom strapped to your butt sure does bring up some embarrassing issues.
As far as the 10 weeks that you’re supposed to wear the device, the original
instructions suggest 10 weeks but leave it to the wearer to decide. Less or
more, depending on results and/or peer pressure factors. This way the newly
minted practitioners would be spared splintering off into a new school(s) every
time someone decided that the system wasn’t sufficiently holistic
  or that this or that many weeks were just right or that the old man was, as it
is put, "characteristically" full of it. This guy made sure that the path was
swept clean for as far as anyone could see.



There have been some new developments in the field which portend to raise this
work into the truly holistic dimension. This is where we leave basic physics and
enter the realm of your metaphysics. (My mother told me every time I got cranky
that what I needed was a good “physic.” I only mention this.) The very latest
method uses your basic broom. Store bought is fine. See:
http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=8&itemType=PRODUCT\
&RS=1&keyword=brooms. (The previous reference, Lehman’s, is also a good source
of all kinds of good stuff. Check it out.) Size and type of broom should be
determined depending on height and build. Just under the shoulders of the broom
bristles are wrapped three layers of medium steel wool each sandwiched between
layers of wool felt. This produces an orgone effect at the base of the spine.
Around this two copper wires are wound in opposite directions and the winding
continues up to the very top of the broom handle. At the approximate
  points of each of the chakras the wires are wound three times. Also at the
broom shoulders where the wire is started there are attached two copper wire
leads that affix to copper bracelets on each wrist. Please get your copy of The
Eating Gorilla Comes in Peace of the shelf and look up “eimen screen.” This is a
devise for balancing the energetic polarity of the body.



Sounds like they’ve done their homework to get this concept together. The theory
is that there is a phase coherent sine wave generated at the base of the spine
which resonates in sympathy with the sushumna along its entire length
integrating with the idala and pingala via the left/right sympathy (their term)
evoked (our term) by the connection to the wrist bracelets and the corresponding
phase shift, especially when walking. I’m not going to even hint at what kind of
effects are possible when walking fast and/or running. You must be certified to
even hear about it and they never write it down. Heady stuff, huh? Kind of makes
you want to go and reread Reda just to clear your head. (OK, Reda. That was a
little ribbing. Sort of like the kind you gave me in that workshop we did
together. Simmer! Hehe.)



There also seem to be a few other refinements. Like using some sections of
tissue paper tube encircling the broom handle as a better way of connecting the
tape. This supposedly offers more mobility. And then there’s the radical idea of
cutting off most of the bristles to enable the wearer to also sit comfortably.
Both these ideas are being strenuously debated in their professional journal.
Seems the bristles on the buttocks was originally meant to stimulate
cranial-sacral respiration. For many it’s a sore point, however. Make some folks
bristle, literally.



Like you are probably right now, I thought this guy was putting me on. I asked
him how well this rather, ahem!, folksy/new agey approach was making it with the
scientific/medical community. “Of course there is the usual resistance to new
technology,” he said. “Just remember though, those are the guys who sew metal
rods to your spine.” He had his point.



There is obviously much more than what’s in this cursory report. I have the
fellow’s name and he has assured me that any sincere inquiries will be addressed
when he gets around to it. And then, of course, there’s the next workshop
(http://www.and1e.freeserve.co.uk/menu/picg.htm). I’m told that bona fide
practitioners from the other SI schools, after some refresher classes and a peer
group review, will be able to be trained and certified, for a price.



This just in…an unconfirmed rumor has it that Reda and Peter will be driving
down for the workshop in a hot rod Cadillac convertible
http://members.aol.com/morgands3/fear/gonzo2.gif and that there are a few spaces
available. “Top down all the way” I’ve been told. I am, as usual, going in style
with some space to share as well http://www.morgandc.com/e-card/3Wheeler.jpg.



Yours as always,



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#780 From: Richard Wheeler <tarpitboss@...>
Date: Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:12 pm
Subject: Workshop Announcement: DC in Sept!
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TECHNOLOGY FOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRATORS
Supporting Hands Touching Bodies:  HandGrips & WristStraps


Mid-September, Washington DC

We are pleased to announce an east-coast workshop for all those who
would like some seriously usable, extra support for their hands.  These
tools and techniques give a stronger, steadier, solidly reinforced, and
secure grip.  Beginning students can use them to precisely reinforce,
protect, align and strengthen both hands, wrists and forearms.
Experienced practitioners will benefit from reduced working tensions,
learning new combinations of holds, leverages and dramatically improved
traction.


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This workshop will be given by Richard Wheeler, a Rolfer® who studied
with Dr. Ida P. Rolf in 1971.  Workshop content is readily accessible
to students and graduates of all schools of bodywork, massage &
physical therapy.  Richard will introduce everyone to the basics of
tool use and advanced concepts will include learning new leverages,
grip combinations and treatment strategies.  Questions and dialogue are
encouraged.  Participants receive a WristStrap and their own custom
cast, correctly-aligned set of silicone rubber HandGrips.  Instruction
will include learning to make, modify and use WristStraps.

Richard is also field & museum-trained in Vertebrate Paleontology, an
accomplished Visual Artist, Calligrapher & Musician.  He brings a
unique, multi-talented perspective to the problems of functional
morphology, physical transformation and structural integration.  You
will come away with a new feel for anatomy and a practical set of tools
for dealing with it.


ADVOCATES & HAPPY CAMPERS

"This is a great opportunity.  Richard's unique approach will inform
you in ways that other
workshops simply cannot.  Even if you wind up not using the tools
(which is highly unlikely) exploring their use will inform your work
and help you to think about what you are doing in
new ways.  I spent a year working with Richard and it was some of the
most interesting and informative time I've spent in the study of
bodywork.  I found the tools to be the freshest approach to pure
technique I've encountered. Richard brings both a depth of knowledge
and an active fertile imagination to his life and practice.  Don't miss
this!!!"
	 Jeff Linn, Somatic Practitioner, Advanced Certified Rolfer®.  Jeff
teaches for the Rolf Institute, the Guild for Structural Integration &
has pioneered Digital Imaging for Somatic Practitioners


BEFORE:  "I am really looking forward to this!  Not only do I think it
will reduce the wear and tear on my joints, but I think it will also
improve my work for my clients."
AFTER:   "I was impressed with how much the grips and straps support my
hands and help to distribute the pressure of the work onto stronger
areas of my body.  In fact, I get such good leverage with the grips
that I need to be careful about how much pressure to apply.  This helps
me to be more present and conscious with my clients.  I am even more
impressed with how using these tools help me to feel the
three-dimensionality of the body.  Normally, it is not easy for me to
get a sense throughout a limb or the torso.  Using the straps makes it
easier to do two-handed work and gives a relationship between my two
hands that has been rare for me before.  Thank-you so much for sharing
this and helping me to become a better practitioner for my clients!"
		 Anita Boser, Hellerwork Practitioner

"We agree wholeheartedly!  Joseph Heller and I played with him and got
the tools years ago and have very much enjoyed using them, and his
unique perspectives."
		 Kathleen Downes, Hellerwork Practitioner


DETAILS

Dates:  September 16th., 17th., 18th.
Location:  Fredricksberg, VA, Zip 22407
Fee:  $350  The workshop fee includes all material costs.
Credit:  CEUs are available thru the Rolf Institute & hopefully more,
very soon!
Registration Deadline:  September 1st., 2005
Deposit:  $125 holds your place with the balance due on the first day
of the workshop.
Register:  Send a check for your deposit, made payable to Richard
Wheeler to:

Richard Wheeler
c/o Sharon Wheeler-Hancoff
17204 A Interurban Blvd.
Snohomish, WA 98296


QUESTIONS & COMMUNICATIONS

Not local enough for you?  Bad timing?  Want to organize a workshop in
your area, region or country?  Let's see what we can do.  Contact
Richard at his email eddress:
tarpitboss@...





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#779 From: "Roger Golten" <roger@...>
Date: Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:14 pm
Subject: Tensegrity & the Intelligent Body weekend London April 16/17th
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I just picked up a message from my friend Jeremy Gilbey, who is a
Cranial Osteopath, alerting me to the weekend he has arranged on the
abovementioned subject and asking that I let you all know asap. Jeremy
has got two top speakers presenting this emerging area. There is a
website with details; http://www.intelligentbody.org.uk/seminar.php

Best wishes for this time of renewal.

Roger Golten
Hellerwork Practitioner
London, England
Author; The Owners Guide to the Body

#778 From: redaelandaloussi
Date: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:21 am
Subject: Biomechanics and Structural Integration
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Announcement:

I am pleased to announced that my web site on Biomechanics has
finally been revamped.

What triggered this event was my discovery of the fact that at least
one Rolfer is actually using a Biomechanical system. This
implementation may not be designed to respond to a need for a
statistical analysis of the effectiveness of the work over a
population. Such a task should be taken at heart by our schools in
priority, as the results would help the marketing of all
practitioners. It would be Dollars better spent than leaving the
burden of statistics to individual practitioners, who can still
think about stats for their own marketing.

However, even a professional implementation of a Biomechanical
system in an individual practice does not necessarily produce
statistics, it seems it can allow to offer more service to a
Structural Integration client, and expand the breadth of services to
another clientele.

My Biomechanics site will now support individual practitioners
initiatives, at least by listing practitioners equipped with such
systems. More reflections have been added too, such as the various
motivations behind a choice, levels of caution when confronted to
scientific scrutiny, a couple of commercial solutions based on
camera acquisition...

Also included is a hystory of this site. Interestingly, the site was
maintained on the internet's listings, despite its very poor
technical shape and navigation. I am quite proud of this rare
exception awarded twice on this site, based on the sole technical
and consumer merits of the content. It is quite interesting to note
that our community's leadership did not respond, but the Internet
Consumer thought it was right on target, from both a Biomechanical
stand point, and a Structural Integration one. Because the Internet
validated its uselfullness so firmly, I decided to leave it there
(since 2001) until better days would come.

Now is the time. At a grassroots level, be it one practitioner for
now, myself later on this year, etc... Practitioners using
Biomechanics will bring about a significant new competitive quality
in our interaction with health professionals, and in marketing as
well, at least at the level of their individual practices. When the
schools finally catch up, perhaps all graduates may benefit. In the
meantime, individual good Before-After picture sets will only look
like lucky shots to 'the real world'.

Patience is the Queen of all virtues
(a French expression)

Sincerely,

Reda el Andaloussi
http://www.biomechanics-structural-integration.org

#777 From: DoctorDohn@...
Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: stroke clients
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I assume your client has had a central nervous system stop in blood supply
which caused the local brain tissue that suffered the blood loss to  not
function anymore.  Well, in addition to the myofacial work you are  doing you
are
also reprogramming the nervous system with movement commands and  feedback
loops.  Other parts of the brain can and will take up the  necessary programming
to
be able to vacilitate movement and feeling.   Stroke patients continue to get
better and better with demands of movement, both  passive and resisted
active.  I would suggest don't tear anything, go a  little gentler, call for
movement even if by millimeter and be aware  of the nervous system you are
impacting.
  And keep going as long as there  is some, even slight improvements and the
client is willing.
Dr. Dohn


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#776 From: "jamie2hnts" <jamie2hnts@...>
Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:57 pm
Subject: stroke clients
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Hi folks! ...I'm doing some work with a client who has little feeling
on one side, and is very contracted. Her PT said she needed to find a
way to "lengthen her heelcords." Both PT and client are very
satisfied with the results of my work. The question: Can I keep
repeating this week after week, or is there a limit to what fascial
manipulation will acomplish? ~Thanks; Jamie.

#775 From: Thomas Myers <kinesis@...>
Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:40 am
Subject: Re: Plastic Surgery
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Archie

The apocryphal story here (no idea as to its provenance or reliability
- let's ask Rosemary at the Symposium) is that Greta Garbo was incensed
and planning to sue Ida Rolf for changing the shape of her nose - and
desisted only when photos showed no discernible change despite Garbo's
inner feeling that it had.

Heavy cocaine use thins the cartilage septum to paper thinness
sometimes, tendency to nosebleeds or hemophilia gets me very cautious,
atrial sinus surgery the same - what if we block it up again?

Minor bridge-of-the-nose plastic surgery doesn't seem to bother much,
but sometimes the nares opening has been left so small that introducing
a finger seems like cruel and unusual punishment.

Deviated septa, broken noses, severe sinus trouble or allergies - all
make me more delicate, patient, and sensitive than usual, but do not
deter me - so many folks who have raised objections or alarm have
become enthusiastic adherents of intra-nasal work after it's over.
Sometimes - like chldbirth - a few days after its over, but
nevertheless, the head session is the most re-requested session in my
practice.

Tom Myers


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> I have heard that some practitioners don't do session
>  7 on clients with plastic surgey on their nose. I
>  guess the thought here is that the bones are too weak
>  and frail for bodywork. I am curious on veiws around
>  this issue. My thought is that with a lighter touch
>  and awareness it would be ok.
>
>  I am interested in your veiws/experience with this.
>  Thanks guys.
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#774 From: Archie Underwood <archie@...>
Date: Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:56 am
Subject: Plastic Surgery
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I have heard that some practitioners don't do session
7 on clients with plastic surgey on their nose. I
guess the thought here is that the bones are too weak
and frail for bodywork. I am curious on veiws around
this issue. My thought is that with a lighter touch
and awareness it would be ok.

I am interested in your veiws/experience with this.
Thanks guys.

Archie Underwood, HHP
Structural Integration
619.861.3232

#773 From: lora lewis <lorajlew@...>
Date: Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:52 am
Subject: Re: Re: Lupus
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Dear Jeff

I have worked on a lady who had Lupus and prior to the
work she recieved from me she had a ten series form
another practitioner in town. She found the work to be
greatly benificial.
Go slowly and ask for lots of comunication as some
area's might be more painful.

all the best

Lora Lewis

--- jeff cohn <jj.cohn2@...> wrote:
> I have had a client call for a session. I have done
> the sessions on her
> over a year ago. In the mean time she has been
> diagnosed with systemic
> Lupus. Being a disorder of the connective tissue, is
> a SI session
> appropriate, or contraindicated? Has anyone had any
> experience working
> with someone with Lupus, and if so any cautions
> hints, and what have
> been your results.
>
> Thank-you,
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