This was also posted at the GSI group talk.

Hello All

I am looking for some feed back on arch supports. Why
or why not they should be used. The arch supports are
custom fit and soft (not the hard casts taken by
podiatrists).
I have a few clients who use them and I am also a
"flat foot" or fallen arches owner. My feet no longer
trouble me after the many hours of processing and I am
resistant to the idea. I work in a chiropractic office
and have been measured, I am in the moderate range and
they think I should get them.
I also have a client that has been through many
sessions (with lots of the other rolfers in town) and
experiences a lot of pain in her feet. I have advised
her to wait until she is done her ten with me and see
how they are before investing in arch supports.

Any stories or technical advice would be great.

Many thanks

Lora Lewis

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Hi Lora,
Try Greg and Woody Wilder in NC (910-695-1177).  They are GSI practitioners and
horse
people for many years.  Also Jim Pascucci (JPascu@...) in Boulder works with
horses.

Jeff Linn

--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, lora lewis <lorajlew@y...> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> My family has a couple of horses and one resently has
> become lame. We are pretty sure that she sliped on the
> ice and put her back out. We have had the Chirpractor
> out, and that seemed to help with her hip, but she is
> still having some problems with the lower joints.
> She is a very gentle animal, but I have only worked on
> small beasts like cats and dogs. Has anyone out there
> worked with horses and could u pls. pass on any tips
> etc?
>
> Thank you
>
> Lora Lewis
>
> SI practitioner
>
> B.C, Canada
>
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Try this Hellerworker here

Love, Power, and Partnership,
Stuart


Joseph's been teaching practitioners how to do Equine SI for the past
few years. More and more horse owners are taking a serious look at how
to get alternative work for their beloved horses. As a result the market
for this kind of work has seriously increased since he started nine
years ago.

When students are on the west coast, he does the classes here (we're
just north of Portland, Oregon) but in March he will have a new training
starting in Albuquerque, NM, too.

If you might like to train with him, especially if you have an affinity
for horses or have clients with horses, here's the info:

**********************************************
FREEMAN EQUINE STRUCTURAL INTEGRATION (ESI)

Each module is an eight day intensive
$1500 per module
Module 1 starts in Albuquerque, NM March 10-18
or Module 1 starts in Vancouver, WA April 10-18
(choose one)
Further training scheduled upon completion of Module 1

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Module 1 -- Building Blocks of Equine SI

* Develop a solid grounding in horse anatomy both standing
and in movement
* Know how to employ safety practices
* Have a thorough understanding of equine connective tissue
* Develop sensitivity in your hands as you work on horses

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2. Module 2 -- ESI Bodywork

* Explore communication and reading horses while working on them. This gives
you the ability to continuously adapt your work at subtle levels by
responding to the signals you pick up from the horse and his tissue.
* Design individual bodymaps, working blueprints, that evolve and change
throughout each horse's series
* Develop confidence working and speaking with owners
about their horses
* Assist Joseph teaching ESI bodywork at an ESI clinic

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3. Module 3 -- ESI -- The Big Picture

* Conduct evaluations and be able to substantiate your observations of what
each horse needs and why
* Receive ongoing feedback in your SI technique
* Study equine movement analysis
* Develop business building strategies that ensure you have
an ongoing field of horses to work with when you graduate
* Get your work out to the public by teaching clinics

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4. Module 4 -- A Professional ESI Practice

It is very important that you don't just develop skills, but also know how
to bring your business to life. This module focuses on your business.

* Know how to explain ESI to your prospective clients
* Schedule, enroll and run your first clinic as co-instructor with Joseph
* Have practical experience in getting your business known to the horse
owning public so your name and reputation expand
* Develop your own marketing materials and a business plan that ensures your
business's continuing growth.

Got questions? Call us at 360-687-8384

Joseph & Jacqueline Freeman
www.JosephFreeman.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: lora lewis [mailto:lorajlew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:40 PM
To: sigroup
Subject: [Structural_Integration] SI and Horses


Hello all,

My family has a couple of horses and one resently has
become lame. We are pretty sure that she sliped on the
ice and put her back out. We have had the Chirpractor
out, and that seemed to help with her hip, but she is
still having some problems with the lower joints.
She is a very gentle animal, but I have only worked on
small beasts like cats and dogs. Has anyone out there
worked with horses and could u pls. pass on any tips
etc?

Thank you

Lora Lewis

SI practitioner

B.C, Canada

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lora lewis writes:

<<My family has a couple of horses and one resently has
become lame. We are pretty sure that she sliped on the
ice and put her back out. We have had the Chirpractor
out, and that seemed to help with her hip, but she is
still having some problems with the lower joints.
She is a very gentle animal, but I have only worked on
small beasts like cats and dogs. Has anyone out there
worked with horses and could u pls. pass on any tips
etc?>>

Lora,

Contact Joseph Freeman at joseph[at]joseph freeman.com
(Substitute the "@" symbol)

Joseph is a Hellerwork Practitioner who works only on horses. I'm sure he
can help you.



Sharon Butler
http://www.selfcare4rsi.com

Thanks everyone for the sugestions.  very helpful.  Loved seeing the
Rolf Bench plans.
Eli

Hello all,

My family has a couple of horses and one resently has
become lame. We are pretty sure that she sliped on the
ice and put her back out. We have had the Chirpractor
out, and that seemed to help with her hip, but she is
still having some problems with the lower joints.
She is a very gentle animal, but I have only worked on
small beasts like cats and dogs. Has anyone out there
worked with horses and could u pls. pass on any tips
etc?

Thank you

Lora Lewis

SI practitioner

B.C, Canada

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Hello,

I have a bench made by a carpender from the plans from
the guild. My only advice is spend the extra money and
get a hard wood, either maple or oak as any softer
woods will warp over time (saw it one some and they
were no longer stable, also don't use a "sticky"
finish- makes sliding the seat a real bother) If u get
it make right it will last you a life time!!

Good luck!

Lora Lewis
SI B.C Canada

--- Eli <bostonmassage@...> wrote:

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> Hi everyone.
> I've been doing the seated work on a small swivel
> chair for too long
> and need to upgrade.  What do you use for the seated
> work?  Anyone
> know of an alternative to the Eben Blaney Bench?
> Thanks
> Eli
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> >I've been doing the seated work on a small swivel chair for too long
> >and need to upgrade.  What do you use for the seated work?  Anyone
> >know of an alternative to the Eben Blaney Bench?
> >Thanks
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> I bought an oak "Rolfing bench" from a Rolfer who made them when I
> first graduated in 1997.  He's since stopped, unfortunately.  There
> were plans for a Rolfing bench in my membership packet.  Do you have
> a copy of those plans?

I found my copy of the plans Jon used and got permission to post them on the
Web.  I put
links to them in the LINKS section of this group.

These are viewable from a browser but not very legible if printed

http://www.theiasi.org/images/bench-72-1.jpg
http://www.theiasi.org/images/bench-72-2.jpg

These are great when printed but show up as to big in a browser:

http://www.theiasi.org/images/bench-300-1.jpg
http://www.theiasi.org/images/bench-300-2.jpg

For bench or sitting work I use Rubbermaid stacking foot stools. They are
about $8 to $10 dollars each. You can often get them on sale. I have 6+ and
stack them to whatever height I need for each client. They are light weight,
very sturdy, washable, store under tables and things, and easy to handle and
transport. I use them for as adjustable heights for Alexander work, for
stepping with clients who need help with steps, three stacked together next
to each other are great for assisted pseudo shoulder stand (pretty easy on
the neck), pseudo head stand, and upside down work. By the way, clients
observed upside down really shows up where the client imbalances and
overuses parts of structure and function.

I also sue them in movement workshops teaching people how to bend at the hip
joint for sitting.

An added benefit is helping people reach above themselves into cupboards and
high shelves. I sue them all over the house.

I have a bunch of (about) 12" by 14" stools but I have seen recently some
smaller ones at about 9x12 that looked great as well especially for
traveling and teaching.

Let me know if you try them how you like them.

Love, Power, and Partnership,
Stuart


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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vilain [mailto:vilain@...]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:40 PM
To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Structural_Integration] Seated work


>Hi everyone.
>I've been doing the seated work on a small swivel chair for too long
>and need to upgrade.  What do you use for the seated work?  Anyone
>know of an alternative to the Eben Blaney Bench?
>Thanks
>Eli

I bought an oak "Rolfing bench" from a Rolfer who made them when I
first graduated in 1997.  He's since stopped, unfortunately.  There
were plans for a Rolfing bench in my membership packet.  Do you have
a copy of those plans?




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Eli

Just get the rolf bench plans from the Guild and get someone to make you one.  I
found a college student who has made 2 for me for $100 each (I was working out
of 2 offices last year).  They are not as light weight as some made from the
more expensive woods but I don't pick it up, it just slides along the floor to
where I need it. I can't imagine how a swivel chair can be stable enough!  Too
bad you don't live near me because I would give you the second one I don't need
now - it's probably a bit too heavy to ship.

And when you can really afford it, get an electric table made by former rolfer
Marten Gabriel in BC.   www.alift4me.com  I got one in January and it totally
changed the way I work.  I no longer find myself getting into awkward positions
or crouching over my clients.  Everybody who has gotten one reports that it
allows them to do an extra client per day.


Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
www.manualtherapysolutions.com
Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
By appointment only 540-846-7653




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>Hi everyone.
>I've been doing the seated work on a small swivel chair for too long
>and need to upgrade.  What do you use for the seated work?  Anyone
>know of an alternative to the Eben Blaney Bench?
>Thanks
>Eli

I bought an oak "Rolfing bench" from a Rolfer who made them when I
first graduated in 1997.  He's since stopped, unfortunately.  There
were plans for a Rolfing bench in my membership packet.  Do you have
a copy of those plans?

Hi everyone.
I've been doing the seated work on a small swivel chair for too long
and need to upgrade.  What do you use for the seated work?  Anyone
know of an alternative to the Eben Blaney Bench?
Thanks
Eli

Richard,
Both of those things do help.  Make sure that you go extra slow and
allow his tissue to go at it's own pace.  Also be aware that he might
seem fine, then 'he'll be done" just like that., so make sure to save
time for balancing and settling at the end of the session.
Hope that helps
Aimee Ratner, Certified KMI Practitioner
On Wednesday, February 9, 2005, at 05:57 PM, RDGamble@... wrote:

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> Has anyone had any sucess working with clients with irritable bowel
> syndrome?
> Early 40's male, many overseas deployments, hx of giardia and other
> intesinal
> diseases for years, prolonged antibiotic/antifungal/antiyeast regimens,
> currently taking narcotics daily for pain, endoscopy shows "descending
> colon like
> hamburger". Wondering if this work (SI, visceral manipulation) will
> help or
> just further irritate. Have not yet tried CST diaphragm releases yet
> but they are
> on the to do list, I am assuming they are gentle enough to not
> irritate.
>
> Any feedback or suggestions welcome, as well as personal experiences.
> Thanks.
>
> Richard Gamble
> Kinesis Myofascial Integration and John Barnes MFR
> Fayetteville, NC
> (910) 273-5351
> www.deeprootsmassage.com
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Certified KMI practitioner

Richard

IBS can certainly be irritated by abdominal work, or indeed by any
aggressive sift-tissue work.  I find that titrating the work until you
find the patient's tolerance for it without bringing on an attack (the
same goes for that other 2nd degree tuning disease, asthma), and then
see if you can ease things by means of both of the previously mentioned
approaches - dietary manipulation and maximum movement in the ribs,
diaphragm, and pelvis.

Expect the irritation to emerge as treatment proceeds - and it may
emerge on you!

Take care, Tom M


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207-563-7121
888-546-3747


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Hi,

I've got a few minutes...
IBS is multifactorial however the vast majority of the problem can be traced to
environmental chemicals and namely food chemicals.
I am very good friends with the world's leading experts in this field of
medicine.
Food chemical such as amines, salicylates, msg, nitrates, sulfites are the main
ones. Then there are food additives and colourings, pesticides etc.
An example which many people know of is peanut allergies, this for some people
can be fatal, even in trace amounts. Or others such as asian people that lack
the abiltily for the proper metabolism of alcohol.

Basically there is a gut reaction that is intolerant to the food product and
reacts. Often there is a dosage effect where the reaction builds over several
days.
For example Tomatos, Parmasan Cheese, soy sauce-all are extremely high in
naturally occuring msg. On day one they eat pasta with tomato sauce, day two
Chinese food (soy), day three rissoto (parmasen) ... all seemingly different
foods but on day three pain manifests. But when these foods are eaten spaced
apart there is amazingly no reaction and therefore these foods appear to be
ruled out. Unless you have the knowledge...
So slowly the toxicity builds in the person's system and often as time pasts, if
left unchecked, they get more reactive and usually more and more desperate.

Suggest you print this off and give it to them.

Structural work is very complimentary but unless their diet is monitored they
may well get worse.
About the SI pain: The lumbar abdominal nerves e.g. illiohypogastic and inguinal
nerves get highly irritated as they supply the gut area as well, this switches
off the "core" and contributes to a unsupported (muscular bracing) of the SI
joint. (too complicated to explain here).

From Sydney,
Pascal


RDGamble@... wrote:
Has anyone had any sucess working with clients with irritable bowel syndrome?
Early 40's male, many overseas deployments, hx of giardia and other intesinal
diseases for years, prolonged antibiotic/antifungal/antiyeast regimens,
currently taking narcotics daily for pain, endoscopy shows "descending colon
like
hamburger". Wondering if this work (SI, visceral manipulation) will help or
just further irritate. Have not yet tried CST diaphragm releases yet but they
are
on the to do list, I am assuming they are gentle enough to not irritate.

Any feedback or suggestions welcome, as well as personal experiences. Thanks.

Richard Gamble
Kinesis Myofascial Integration and John Barnes MFR
Fayetteville, NC
(910) 273-5351
www.deeprootsmassage.com


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A healthy and mobile pelvis will often have the same effects on the
lower GI.  And breathing helps peristalsis, and gives the intestines
constant massage. So rib movement and diaphram work are necessary.
But if the pelvis, and especially psoas, are like a block of wood, i
can't imagine GI function being healthy.  Remember that the lumbar
plexus runs through psoas, and psoas and the fascia of the diaphram
interdigitate.  Can't imagine how SI would possibly hurt.
good luck.
Tom Gordy.


--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, RDGamble@a... wrote:
> Has anyone had any sucess working with clients with irritable bowel
syndrome?
> Early 40's male, many overseas deployments, hx of giardia and other
intesinal
> diseases for years, prolonged antibiotic/antifungal/antiyeast regimens,
> currently taking narcotics daily for pain, endoscopy shows
"descending colon like
> hamburger". Wondering if this work (SI, visceral manipulation) will
help or
> just further irritate. Have not yet tried CST diaphragm releases yet
but they are
> on the to do list, I am assuming they are gentle enough to not irritate.
>
> Any feedback or suggestions welcome, as well as personal
experiences. Thanks.
>
> Richard Gamble
> Kinesis Myofascial Integration and John Barnes MFR
> Fayetteville, NC
> (910) 273-5351
> www.deeprootsmassage.com
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Yes, I have had experience working with clients with IBS.  The best  source
of treatment and information for IBS is at _www.healthpromoting.com_
(http://www.healthpromoting.com)  .  They  have a regimen that requires some
live-in
time and fasting at their  clinic.  It sounds difficult but not nearly so
difficult as drugs or  surgery that have gotten your client in this fix so far. 
Dr.
Goldhammer at  the clinic is easily accessible by phone.  To my knowledge the
series  should provide the structural benefit and the benefit of discovering
that there  are other more honoring ways of taking care of the body besides
drugs and  surgery. Be careful and oh so gentle around the psoas and diaphragm.
Dr. Jim Dohn


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Has anyone had any sucess working with clients with irritable bowel syndrome?
Early 40's male, many overseas deployments, hx of giardia and other intesinal
diseases for years, prolonged antibiotic/antifungal/antiyeast regimens,
currently taking narcotics daily for pain, endoscopy shows "descending colon
like
hamburger". Wondering if this work (SI, visceral manipulation) will help or
just further irritate. Have not yet tried CST diaphragm releases yet but they
are
on the to do list, I am assuming they are gentle enough to not irritate.

Any feedback or suggestions welcome, as well as personal experiences. Thanks.

Richard Gamble
Kinesis Myofascial Integration and John Barnes MFR
Fayetteville, NC
(910) 273-5351
www.deeprootsmassage.com


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Neal Spears is currently in training with Kinesis, and will be
certified and working in or very near Wales by late this spring, all
going well.  His email is:  neilbach@...

Thanks, Tom M


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John

Thank you so much. i can now proceed with added
confidence. i was pretty sure that SI would help, but
it always helps to hear others stories.

Sincerly
Lora

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>  My Son had Scherumans disease. It was first
> diagnosed when he was 17
> via x-ray which he had taken during his first year
> at college.
> Scheurmans disease is thought to be caused by a
> shock to the growth
> plate of the developing vertebrae that slows the
> growth causing the
> vertebrae to wedge in shape. This can result in a
> slump that can lead
> to developing a hump as you described. There does
> not seem to be any
> definitive medical agreement as to how this happens
> or what to do about
> it. In my Sons case it could have been from jumping
> out of trees and
> taking a bad fall as a kid. We wont ever know for
> sure. Treatment used
> to be various braces and cast that tended to make
> the situation worse.
> I think the general agreement now is to leave it
> alone. Sean gave up
> compression sports like bball and took up swimming.
> When he was home
> from school I would work on him to help keep him
> erect. The vertebra
> was still growing in Seans case and making room
> seemed to be a good
> strategy.  My Son is now 22 and due to a serious
> snow boarding accident
> a couple of years ago we have recently had another
> set of x-rays taken.
> There is no sign of Scherumans any longer His
> vertebra are normal and
> at this age his vertebra are fully grown. he still
> has other problems
> to attend to but Scherumans is no longer part of the
> picture.
>  I think even If your client is older working to get
> him or her upright
> through the soft tissue even without the vertebral
> support has
> potential to be extremely helpful for their overall
> health and well
> being.
>
> Good luck,
> John McKeithen
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> >  Hello All,
> >
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Hi,
there are 2 KMI practitioners in Brighton UK which is
[I think] about an hour away.
Their names are Jo Avison and Gary Carter.  If you go to
anatomytrains.net, you can get their numbers
Hope this helps
Aimee Ratner, certified KMI practitioner
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Lora,

	 My Son had Scherumans disease. It was first diagnosed when he was 17
via x-ray which he had taken during his first year at college.
Scheurmans disease is thought to be caused by a shock to the growth
plate of the developing vertebrae that slows the growth causing the
vertebrae to wedge in shape. This can result in a slump that can lead
to developing a hump as you described. There does not seem to be any
definitive medical agreement as to how this happens or what to do about
it. In my Sons case it could have been from jumping out of trees and
taking a bad fall as a kid. We wont ever know for sure. Treatment used
to be various braces and cast that tended to make the situation worse.
I think the general agreement now is to leave it alone. Sean gave up
compression sports like bball and took up swimming. When he was home
from school I would work on him to help keep him erect. The vertebra
was still growing in Seans case and making room seemed to be a good
strategy.  My Son is now 22 and due to a serious snow boarding accident
a couple of years ago we have recently had another set of x-rays taken.
There is no sign of Scherumans any longer His vertebra are normal and
at this age his vertebra are fully grown. he still has other problems
to attend to but Scherumans is no longer part of the picture.
	 I think even If your client is older working to get him or her upright
through the soft tissue even without the vertebral support has
potential to be extremely helpful for their overall health and well
being.

Good luck,
John McKeithen


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>  Hello All,
>
>  I have a potential client who is suffering from
>  Scheruman's disease. It is degenerative disease that
>  brakes down the vertebrae, causing the vertebrae to
>  form a wedge shape. The wedging of the vertebrae
>  causes the spine to curve forming a hump. (not to be
>  confused with a dowagers hump)
>
>  I am wondering if anyone has worked with, or can tell
>  me anymore information concerning SI and this disease.
>  Also I am wondering if there is any contraindication
>  to work with this?
>
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>
>  I also have a client with sever bunions, any tips or
>  bunions stories that can be passed on?
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Hello All,

I have a potential client who is suffering from
Scheruman's disease. It is degenerative disease that
brakes down the vertebrae, causing the vertebrae to
form a wedge shape. The wedging of the vertebrae
causes the spine to curve forming a hump. (not to be
confused with a dowagers hump)

I am wondering if anyone has worked with, or can tell
me anymore information concerning SI and this disease.
Also I am wondering if there is any contraindication
to work with this?

2nd question

I also have a client with sever bunions, any tips or
bunions stories that can be passed on?

Thank you

Lora Lewis

SI Practioner
British Columbia, Canada



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Hi there Mindy,

I have worked in a Physical Therapy clinic with Greg Johnson, PT and Donna
Bajelis, PT (check out Institute for Structural Medicine in Washington
state) years ago and had heard of and seen many people well treated with
prolotherapy. I think it is also known as sclerotherapy. My impression is
that it tends to work well for looseness of connective tissue, ligaments,
etc. Often I have heard it works when nothing else seems to.

I have a friend in Tulsa OK who had the whole SI series with me and lots of
yoga and still could not work out the pain in the low back and SI area. I
suggested prolotherapy. He went to an osteopath in Tulsa who worked very
conservatively at first and then very specifically applied prolotheapy with
amazing results.

For me I would probably go to him. For other prolotherapists I would want to
know what other things they do, what their perspective is. I generally trust
an osteopathic approach more than MD(a bias I suppose).

Best of luck with it.

Love, Power, and Partnership,
Stuart


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Is there anyone out there who understands what  'Prolotherapy'
is as regards the Structural Integration proccess?

All I know is what Google tells me.

Has anyone worked on someone who has had it done.

What sort of benefits does it really have?

Any information would be appreciated.


Mindy









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The following is from Dr. David Cundiff's soon to be published book "Money
Driven Medicine"


The Prolotherapy  Alternative
Practitioners of one area of alternative medicine  purposefully create
inflammation in and around joints in order to strengthen  tendons and ligaments
and
reduce pain. This technique has several  names—reconstructive joint therapy,
sclerotherapy, prolotherapy, and prolo.
I learned about prolotherapy first hand, by being  a patient. For about four
years, I had been seeing surgeons and physical  medicine specialists about
chronic pain in my hip and low back. Nothing worked  and I took a medical leave
of absence from work because of the problem. On the  advise of a friend, I had
a series of injections of inflammatory chemicals into  the area of my low
back. Quickly, the pain decreased, and I stopped using  crutches in five days.
Within a month I returned to work.
Later, I still had to undergo a back fusion  operation because the
degenerative arthritis and instability in my spine caused  the lateral nerves at
one
level to be severely pinched. This was no longer a  soft tissue problem
involving
lax and weak ligaments and tendons. The surgery  relieved the pressure from
bone compressing two nerves in my lower back, but I  still had further
prolotherapy after the operation to strengthen the soft  tissues in the low back
area.
Now eight years after the surgery and  prolotherapy, I continue lots of
walking, running, biking, swimming, and hatha  yoga. Except for some morning
stiffness, my back is nearly as good as new.
One of my running partners complained of chronic  low back pain at night so
severe that he had to go to the living room and sleep  in a chair every night
for over a year. About six months ago, I took him to a  prolotherapist for
injections of hypertonic dextrose (concentrated sugar water).  After that one
treatment taking about 15 minutes, he has never had back pain  again.
But these stories of symptomatic benefit with  prolotherapy are anecdotes. Is
there scientific evidence that prolotherapy  works? Randomized trials of
prolotherapy (injecting an inflammation-causing  substance in the painful area)
versus placebo for back, knee, and finger  arthritis pain showed that it
works!14-16
After my experience as a prolotherapy patient, I  learned of a prolotherapy
course for physicians in La Cieba and Tela, Honduras  sponsored by the Hackett
Foundation. I signed up and studied with seven other  physician trainees and
six prolotherapy practitioners, learning to treat  patients with chronic
musculoskeletal pain. The Hackett foundation had been  conducting the
prolotherapy
training workshops for over 20 years in Honduras, so  the local people knew of
the treatment by word of mouth or personal experience.  Radio advertisements
recruited more patients for the free treatment. In the  two-week course under
the supervision of experienced prolotherapists, I treated  about 60 patients
with high concentration dextrose for chronic pain in the low  back, neck,
shoulders, hips, knees, fingers, elbows, and jaws. They were  extremely
grateful.
Government insurance or private insurers pay for  arthroscopy but do not
reimburse prolotherapy because it is “alternative.”  Prolotherapy and
arthroscopy
should be compared in randomized clinical trials  for meniscus tears or soft
tissue instability involving knees and other joints.  For common back pain,
prolotherapy plus exercises, joint manipulation, and  massage should also be
compared with exercises, joint manipulation, and massage  alone.
Cost Considerations
Ironically, arthroscopy costs about  $5000,17 whereas prolotherapy costs vary
between $75 - $400 per  treatment. Of the 650,000 annual knee arthroscopies,
orthopedic surgeons perform  225,000 – 300,000 for degenerative
(wear-and-tear) arthritis, at a cost of $1  billion - $1.5 billion to Medicare,
the Veterans
Administration, and private  insurers in 2005.17, 18 Since arthroscopy has
not been shown to be  better prolotherapy for joint pain not due to arthritis,
the remaining $2.2  billion  – $5.2 billion worth of  arthroscopies are
unproven to be more effective than cheaper and less risky  treatment.17, 19
The medical diagnosis and treatment of back pain  in the US will cost about
$48 billion in 2005.6, 19 These expenses  include $20.5 billion for office
visits; $8.3 billion for hospitalization; $7.3  billion for prescription drugs;
$8.7 billion for outpatient services; and $2.0  billion for emergency room
care.19, 20 Most outpatient costs are for  physicians’ services and MRIs.21
Most
hospitalization costs are for  surgery. Since prolotherapy is proven in a
randomized trial to be effective for  back pain and standard medical treatment
other
than exercises are not proven to  be better than “tincture of time,” at
least $40 billion in tests and treatments  for back pain are wasted.
Conclusion
Arthroscopy has been proven not to work in arthritis and  not proven to work
better than prolotherapy in chronic pain other than arthritis  of the knees
and other joints. Prolotherapy for common low back pain has been  shown safe and
effective in a randomized trial. Other back pain treatments other  than
exercises, including surgery, chiropractic, physical therapy, are not  proven
more
effective that therapeutic exercises alone, however, patients are  often more
satisfied by combining exercise with a bodywork treatment.

Chapter  15
1.            Moseley JB, O'Malley K, Petersen NJ, et al. A controlled trial
of  arthroscopic surgery for osteoarthritis of the knee. N Engl J Med.
2002;347(2):81-88.
2.         Small NC. Complications in arthroscopic surgery performed by
experienced  arthroscopists. Arthroscopy. 1988;4(3):215-221.
3.         Collins JJ. Knee-joint arthroscopy--early complications. Med J
Aust. 1989;150(12):702-703.
4.         Day R, Brooks P, Conaghan PG, Petersen M. A double blind,
randomized,  multicenter, parallel group study of the effectiveness and
tolerance of
intraarticular hyaluronan in osteoarthritis of the knee. J Rheumatol.
2004;31(4):775-782.
5.         Lowry V. Novel Remedies for the Aching Knees of Summer. New York
Times.
_http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/29/health/nutrition/29knee.html?pagewanted=all&p\
osition=_
(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/29/health/nutrition/29knee.html?pagewanted=all&p\
osition=) .  June 29, 2004.
6.         Kolata G. Healing a Bad Back Is Often an Effort in Painful
Futility. New York Times.
_http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/09/national/09BACK.html?pagewanted=all&position=\
_
(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/09/national/09BACK.html?pagewanted=all&position=\
) .  February 9, 2004.
7.            Assendelft WJ, Morton SC, Yu E, Suttorp MJ, Shekelle PG. Spinal
  manipulative therapy for low back pain. Cochrane Database Syst Rev.
2004;(1):CD000447.
8.         Hsieh CY, Adams AH, Tobis J, et al. Effectiveness of four
conservative  treatments for subacute low back pain: a randomized clinical
trial.
Spine.27(11):1142-1148.
9.         Hurwitz EL, Morgenstern H, Harber P, et al. A Randomized Trial of
Medical  Care With and Without Physical Therapy and Chiropractic Care With and
Without  Physical Modalities for Patients With Low Back Pain: 6-Month
Follow-Up Outcomes  From the UCLA Low Back Pain Study. Spine. October 15,
2002;27(20):2193-2204.
10.       Jarvik JG,  Hollingworth W, Martin B, et al. Rapid magnetic
resonance imaging vs radiographs  for patients with low back pain: a randomized
controlled trial. JAMA. June 4,  2003;289(21):2810-2818.
11.            Carragee EJ, Barcohana B, Alamin T, van den Haak E.
Prospective  Controlled Study of the Development of Lower Back Pain in
Previously
Asymptomatic Subjects Undergoing Experimental Discography. Spine. May 15,
2004;29(10):1112-1117.
12.       Staal J,  Hlobil H, van Tulder MW, et al. Occupational health
guidelines for the  management of low back pain: an international comparison.
Occup
Environ Med. 2003;60(9):618-626.
13.            Weinstein JN, Bronner KK, Morgan TS, Wennberg JE. Trends:
Trends And  Geographic Variations In Major Surgery For Degenerative Diseases Of
The Hip,  Knee, And Spine. Health Aff. October  7, 2004 2004:hlthaff.var.81.
14.       Ongley MJ,  Klein RG, Dorman TA, Eek BC, Hubert LJ. A new approach
to the treatment of  chronic low back pain. Lancet. 143-6  1987(2):8551.
15.       Reeves KD,  Hassanein K. Randomized prospective double-blind
placebo-controlled study of  dextrose prolotherapy for knee osteoarthritis with
or
without ACL laxity. Altern Ther Health Med. 2000;6(2):68-74.
16.       Reeves KD,  Hassanein K. Randomized, prospective,
placebo-controlled double-blind study of  dextrose prolotherapy for
osteoarthritic thumb and
finger (DIP, PIP, and  trapeziometacarpal) joints: evidence of clinical
efficacy. J Altern Complement Med. 2000;6(4):311-320.
17.       Allen JE.  Don't Be So Fast to Knock Knee Surgery. LA Times. July
22, 2002.
18.       Kolata G.  V.A. Suggests Halt to Kind of Knee Surgery. New York
Times. August 24, 2002;Section  A: 9.
19.            National Health Expenditures and Selected Economic Indicators,
Levels and  Average Annual Percent Change: Selected Calendar Years 1990-2013.
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid  Services, Office of the Actuary. Available
at: _http://www.cms.hhs.gov/statistics/nhe/projections-2003/t2.asp_
(http://www.cms.hhs.gov/statistics/nhe/projections-2003/t2.asp) .
20.       Luo X,  Pietrobon R, Sun SX, Liu GG, Hey L. Estimates and patterns
of direct health care  expenditures among individuals with back pain in the
United States. Spine. Jan 1,  2004;29(1):79-86.
21.       Liu AC,  Byrne E. Cost of care for ambulatory patients with low
back pain. J Fam Pract. 1995;40(5):449-455.


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Hi Group:

My sister Sharon Wheeler-Hancoff has recently re-located to Washington
state, just a wee bit north of Seattle.

Sharon is having huge difficulty starting her practice and will Really,
Really Appreciate any referrals or contacts we may be able to find for
her.  She has 35+ years experience and studied directly with Dr. Rolf
for years and is hugely talented both as a practitioner and a teacher.

If any of you have friends, students, contacts or clients in the
Seattle area please encourage them to get in touch!

Sharon has also been off the internet for months with amazingly
intractable computer software problems so please have people call her
at 360 668 1633.  As an alternative you may also email her through my
email:  tarpitboss@...

Thank you all for your love, attention and support.

My Best,

Richard Wheeler

You've asked several questions concerning prolotherapy. While a
websearch on prolotherapy will result in many proponents of the
technique, I've listed a couple of sites that are should give a
relative clear view (I'm not saying the right view, but a another
view) of prolotherapy

A good introductory article to read about present attitudes
concerning prolotherapy (sclerotherapy) is at:

http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/2000/08_00/news.htm

Another good portal to clear your head and immerse yourself in
allopathic discipline is to see what www.quackwatch.com has to offer
concerning prolotherapy. Only 2 entries concerning prolotherapy.
Surprisingly little negative feedback with an actual request for
more information by the site editors

Here is the quoted medicare article on use of prolotherapy
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/prolo.html

I looked at the prolotherapy in the mid 90's due to my choice of
outdoor activities. I went through a period of time where I severely
and repeatedly subluxed my right shoulder in whitewater C1 & OC1
paddling. The ligaments were stretched and a full dislocation was
looming on the roadmap.
I received a variety of responses to my inquiries ranging from total
ignorance of the technique to active support. The risks that I saw
were:

potential nerve damage (anytime you poke a sharp needle...)

uncontrolled effect creating more scar tissue than required and
resulting in a compromised joint with limited ROM. (there were
concerns at the time that the body's response is individual and
unique that there had not been the standardization work to have
consensus on what the dosage and frequency and irritant solution
constituents were to be). This might be mitigated with the correct
amount of exercise and bodywork.

Knowing how by my nature (and my yoga practice demonstrates this to
me daily) my body's connective tissue does nothing but tighten up I
chose to:

contemplate my navel and grow older...

modify my exercise program and still paddle but not high impact
whitewater which stresses joints severely.

implement a strengthening program through resistance & weight
training.

If I were to severely hyperextend and obviously overstretch a
ligament today and found that the above 3 approaches did not improve
my situation over a 3-6 month period then  I would then consider it
as an option and start the due diligence on "who" I would choose to
have "practice" that technique rather than rule it out.

I'll leave the discussion as to how prolotherapy philosophically
marries with SI to others that are more competent than I.

My observations are that if:

1. the joint movement is significantly compromised by the lack of
proper tension would create stress patterns of compromised mobility
that will be mirrored through the system. and,

2. one has chosen the path to inject a scartissue forming material
to shorten the ligament with an unknown variable response
then,

having a complementary "lengthening" process available as SI to
mitigate the effect of 1&2 would not be unreasonable.

I also would appreciate any comments from people who have had
clients that have subjected themselves to the procedure.

fred


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> Is there anyone out there who understands what  'Prolotherapy'
> is as regards the Structural Integration proccess?
>
> All I know is what Google tells me.
>
> Has anyone worked on someone who has had it done.
>
> What sort of benefits does it really have?
>
> Any information would be appreciated.
>
>
> Mindy