What is anyone's experience with this condition? I an in the middle of
the 10 series with some opening of the mid-back which feels really good
to the client.   Suggesions as I proceed forward?  His neck is severely
contracted on one side and weight is also transmitted down that same
leg.

stuart bell is the man!

--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, Stuart Bell
<bellstuart@...> wrote:
>
> Dear SI'rs,                       02-09-07
>
> I have practiced Hellerwork SI since 1981 and teach for Hellerwork
> Schools. This is my second year working with horses after taking a
class
> with Joseph and Jacqueline Freeman who are wonderful respectful
teachers
> (see below).
>
> I love what I learn from my horse teachers. Please check it out.
>
> Sincerely,
> Stuart Bell
>
>
> 510  684.3173
> www.equinebody.com
> stuartbell@...
> bellstuart@...
>
> Structure determines function, and
> function determines structure
>
> www.hellerwork.com
> www.josephfreeman.com
>
>
>
> TOUCH FOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRATORS
> with Horses as Teachers
>
> Unlike human clients, a smart horse will not accept a stroke
that's less
> than perfect. Horses don't say much but through body language they
speak
> volumes. In many ways a horse can be better than a human at
teaching
> practitioners how to assess and engage the fascial layers with a
more
> refined and educated touch. Horses are very sensitive. They give
you
> continual feedback. Perfecting your touch to the degree horses
require
> ensures that people will respond better to your touch, too.
>
> We've been teaching Equine Structural Integration for years now.
Every
> SI practitioner
> we've worked with -- even those who've been in the field for over
20
> years -- has told
> us our one week class with horses as models significantly improved
their
> touch skills.
> They became able to read tissue better and learned to work with
more
> presence and
> engagement, with less force. When they got home and started seeing
human
> clients
> again, the structural changes came more easily and clients
reported that
> sessions were
> noticeably more comfortable.
>
> We all want to more adeptly feel, understand and communicate with
tissue
> in a way that allows the being to release without force. Ideally
at the
> same time we'd like to cultivate in our clients a sense of deep
trust
> that allows them to sink into the experience of reconnection with
their
> body. We want to bring them the bliss of reintegration without the
> distraction of discomfort, right? Superbly refined touch skills
give FAR
> better results, and with less wear and tear on you and your body.
>
> If you want to see what our horses can teach you, join us for the
next
> TOUCH FOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRATORS class. If you decide you REALLY
like
> working with horses, you're welcome to continue on with us and
become an
> Equine Structural Integrator.
>
> Class limited to eight students. Horse experience not necessary.
>
> Offered 3 times in 2007
> MARCH 11-17
> JUNE 10 - 16
> NOVEMBER 11 - 17
>
> 42 IASI type 2 credits
> $1500 class only or $1750 residential room/meals
> Call to reserve space. We'll email you an application with more
details.
> Friendly Haven Rise organic Farm is 35 minutes north of Portland,
Oregon
>
> Class taught by Joseph Freeman, creator of The Equine Natural
Movement
> Series
> For more info, visit www.EquineStructuralIntegration.com
> or send an email to info@...
> or call us at (360) 687-8384.
>
> This class counts as Level One of the Professional Equine
Structural
> Integrator course.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

For example, take a 240 # guy who's been weight training for 25
> years.
>
> Donald Soule
> Chicago

This is interesting………….without any more information than what I have
posted here, you have come very close to a description of my
husband.  It probably would have helped if I gave a bit more
background.  Before I do though, I would like to mention how much I
really appreciate the feedback that I am receiving.  I take the
advice from the people on this list VERY seriously.  I will explain a
little further down why I have not brought him yet to a Rolfer or
Movement Therapy Professional.

My husband does, in fact weigh around 250 – 260 pounds, and before
his body fell apart he ran a tree service which is very physically
demanding work (not unlike weight lifting).  He did that for about
20 - 25 years before his body forced him to stop.  Towards the end of
that time, when he started to experience serious physical troubles,
some well meaning but misguided people suggested that he use a Nordic
Track machine.  He purchased a machine and used it regularly and
aggressively for several years until the pain would not allow him to
continue and his body simply would not move.  I was not exaggerating
when I mentioned that every muscle in his body felt like it was
filled with cement.  In addition, there were numerous areas that were
very tender to the touch.

When I started working on him, I focused on the muscles that attach
to the cervical and thoracic spine.  Since I did not start working on
the lower body initially, those soft tissues are still pretty
hardened.  We have made quite a bit of progress, but his hamstrings
and calf muscles are still "lumpy", and the adductors, tensor fascia
lata, rectus femoris, piriformis, and gluteals are still very tight.
When I started working on the lower half of his body, his calf
muscles were like rocks and the adductors were like cables and were
very tender to the touch.  We have improved the range of motion in
his ankles but they are still very restricted.  When I read Ida
Rolf's book (twice) I recognized the importance of those lower parts
of the body.  About 1 year ago I also discovered the impact of
nutrition on the body's tissues and have been adapting our diets as
much as I can.  I did find some additional interesting information on
Lou Gross's website.  (Thanks Lou)

At this point in time, it seems (but please correct me where I am
mistaken) that when the muscles in the lower parts of the body are
not doing their job properly because they are held in a shortened
state by the scar tissue, that creates overuse strain on nearby and
upper body muscles.  It seems like I am walking up a sand hill –
taking one step up and sliding ½ a step back.  I soften up the
erectors and other upper body muscles, but they get tight again when
the lower areas cannot move freely.  I don't mean to give the
impression that none of my upper bodywork is lasting.  On the
contrary – the latissimus dorsi (on both sides) is no longer
prominent and his upper trapezius is soft and pliable.  I can now get
my hand between his scapula and ribs.  There is still a little
tenderness at the head of the humerus, but when we started I could
not even get my hand in the area and it was very painful.  There are
several other areas in the upper body that have lasting improvements,
but there are also some areas of strain that just keep coming back.
Again – my theory is that this will continue until the lower body is
softened up.  The worst symptom that he still experiences now is that
his neck and low back (L5/S1) keep getting locked up.  When he
receives an osteopathic or chiropractic manipulation, it seems that
the violent action sets up additional trigger points (or does
something to the tissues) that causes them to hurt.  That is another
factor that seems to cause the work that I do to slip backwards a
bit, but he does need the adjustments.

My impression is that there are no short cuts to breaking up all that
scar tissue.  It just takes constant and patient attention.  There
are probably faster ways to do what I am doing, but I would be
surprised if there is anything that a professional would do that
would accelerate the progress that much.  Of course, I've been
surprised before – my discovery of the benefits of bodywork on my
husband could actually be called shock.

This is why I have not sought out a Rolfer or Movement Therapy
Professional to work on my husband yet.  In answer to a question that
someone asked, my husband has not received bodywork yet from any
Rolfer or Movement Therapy Professional. I am the only person who has
worked on him.  I really believe that until I get the lower body free
from scar tissue, any work from a professional therapist would get
undone.  Either that or we would go broke with the additional
appointments that would be needed.
With that said – I would like to find a good practitioner in our area
if there is one.  Once I feel like I have done what I can, I would
like to give him the benefit of professional Structural Integration.
We live about 20 miles south of the southern edge of the Kansas City
metro.  It does not seem like a hotbed for alternative therapies, so
finding a practitioner might be a bit difficult.  If anyone does know
someone in this area who they would recommend, please let me know.


Kind Regards and thank you for listening
Gail

Dear SI'rs,                       02-09-07

I have practiced Hellerwork SI since 1981 and teach for Hellerwork
Schools. This is my second year working with horses after taking a class
with Joseph and Jacqueline Freeman who are wonderful respectful teachers
(see below).

I love what I learn from my horse teachers. Please check it out.

Sincerely,
Stuart Bell


510  684.3173
www.equinebody.com
stuartbell@...
bellstuart@...

Structure determines function, and
function determines structure

www.hellerwork.com
www.josephfreeman.com



TOUCH FOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRATORS
with Horses as Teachers

Unlike human clients, a smart horse will not accept a stroke that's less
than perfect. Horses don't say much but through body language they speak
volumes. In many ways a horse can be better than a human at teaching
practitioners how to assess and engage the fascial layers with a more
refined and educated touch. Horses are very sensitive. They give you
continual feedback. Perfecting your touch to the degree horses require
ensures that people will respond better to your touch, too.

We've been teaching Equine Structural Integration for years now. Every
SI practitioner
we've worked with -- even those who've been in the field for over 20
years -- has told
us our one week class with horses as models significantly improved their
touch skills.
They became able to read tissue better and learned to work with more
presence and
engagement, with less force. When they got home and started seeing human
clients
again, the structural changes came more easily and clients reported that
sessions were
noticeably more comfortable.

We all want to more adeptly feel, understand and communicate with tissue
in a way that allows the being to release without force. Ideally at the
same time we'd like to cultivate in our clients a sense of deep trust
that allows them to sink into the experience of reconnection with their
body. We want to bring them the bliss of reintegration without the
distraction of discomfort, right? Superbly refined touch skills give FAR
better results, and with less wear and tear on you and your body.

If you want to see what our horses can teach you, join us for the next
TOUCH FOR STRUCTURAL INTEGRATORS class. If you decide you REALLY like
working with horses, you're welcome to continue on with us and become an
Equine Structural Integrator.

Class limited to eight students. Horse experience not necessary.

Offered 3 times in 2007
MARCH 11-17
JUNE 10 - 16
NOVEMBER 11 - 17

42 IASI type 2 credits
$1500 class only or $1750 residential room/meals
Call to reserve space. We'll email you an application with more details.
Friendly Haven Rise organic Farm is 35 minutes north of Portland, Oregon

Class taught by Joseph Freeman, creator of The Equine Natural Movement
Series
For more info, visit www.EquineStructuralIntegration.com
or send an email to info@...
or call us at (360) 687-8384.

This class counts as Level One of the Professional Equine Structural
Integrator course.







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Orna Bat

Sometimes, let's be honest, those 10 sessions can take more than 10
appointments.  I try to hold that distinction for some of the clients in my
practice.  For example, take a 240 # guy who's been weight training for 25
years.

Donald Soule
Chicago
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   From: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of obd
   Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:53 AM
   To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [Structural_Integration] Re: erik dalton's techniques..




   -Hi Gail,
   You asked how Rolfing can do the work in 10 sessions.
   The beauty and special abilities of the work is knowing the layers of the
   facia, knowing how to distinguish them, release them and reorganize the
body
   around the central vertical line. reintroducing flexibility, pliability to
   the connective tissue; Enabling the body to find the inate grace of
   movement, functioning more economically, letting go of holdings resulting
in
   pains.

   It's when the bones can "float" within the connective tissue, that Gravity
   can work as a therapist with the body. Not against it.

   So yes, miracles can and DO happen within those 10 sessions.

   Orna Bat David




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-Hi Gail,
You asked how Rolfing can do the work in 10 sessions.
The beauty  and special abilities of the work is knowing the layers of the
facia, knowing how to distinguish them, release them and reorganize the body
around the central vertical line. reintroducing flexibility, pliability to
the connective tissue; Enabling the  body to find the inate grace of
movement, functioning more economically, letting go of holdings resulting in
pains.

It's when the bones can "float" within the connective tissue, that Gravity
can work as a therapist with the body. Not against it.

So yes, miracles can and DO happen within those 10 sessions.

Orna Bat David





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I agree and think even more SI oriented fascial lengthening would help .

Also the nutrients I usually recommend because it makes tight people a lot
easier to spread, and also, some good fascial stretching along long lines of
muscle groups, kind of like good integrating lengthening.  I also found certain
twisting stretching can separate one muscle body from another and even pull
fascia off the bones.  Can even be done before the hands-on or during a session
alternating.  Makes the hands-on for me go faster, easier, and I can get deeper
sooner in a more comfortable way for the client..  The client also has something
to do before the next session so I don't have to repeart so much as she seems to
have to do.

paolo cutino <nypablo70@...> wrote:          i do agree.. that's why i was
wondering if anyone in her area does SI..
coming back to erick dalton.. any other perspective,critic,comment?


Serveup@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/8/2007 6:38:09 A.M. Central Standard Time,
nypablo70@... writes:

what do you guys think about this?any suggestion or comment from the
structural integration field?

Maybe if he received the series plus some movement and breath work, Gail
wouldn't have to work on him a hour and a half every night after a full day of
work.

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i do agree.. that's why i was wondering if anyone in her area does SI..
   coming back to erick dalton.. any other perspective,critic,comment?


Serveup@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/8/2007 6:38:09 A.M. Central Standard Time,
nypablo70@... writes:

what do you guys think about this?any suggestion or comment from the
structural integration field?

Maybe if he received the series plus some movement and breath work, Gail
wouldn't have to work on him a hour and a half every night after a full day of
work.

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what do  you guys think about this?any suggestion or comment from the
structural  integration field?



Maybe if he received the series plus some movement and breath work, Gail
wouldn't have to work on him a hour and a half every night after a full day of
work.


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Dear Gail, thanks a lot for sharing your experience and your thoughts ..
   i wish i could help your husband ... supporting your amazing commitment..
   it seems also that you have maybe an inner talent about touch and bodywork.
   i'm sure it would be a great chance for your life to study these things...
helping others too.
   i'm curious about your husband situation..
   did he ever received the ten series ?or has he ever experienced a feldenkrais
approach?
   gentle movement and proper breath tecniques.. would help him a lot if combined
with the deep bodywork he is receiving.
   what do you guys think about this?any suggestion or comment from the
structural integration field?


gail_alston <gailalston@...> wrote:
           Hello again -
A member sent me an email and suggested that I post some information
about the initial diagnosis on my husband and the symptoms that we
have been able to relieve using Erik Dalton's material.
I can't tell you how happy I am to be able to talk about what we are
experiencing with a group of people who understand what is going on.
There is not one person in my professional and social circles who
knows anything about the human body, so there is no one I can discuss
this with who would even begin to understand.

The official diagnosis on my husband is lumbar degenerative disc
disease. He also has a stress fracture on the articular process on
one side of L5 and bone spurs and arthritis. That does not even
begin to describe what he has been experiencing. Here is a list of
symptoms that he has told me about. I am probably missing a couple,
but these are the main ones:
1. severe neck and low back pain. He described it as feeling
like there is an ice pick in his neck and one in his low back
2. sciatic pain
3. He always had a headache. I mean this in the literal sense.
He always had a headache and sometimes it was severe.
4. There was a feeling of constant pressure in his neck area.
He described it as feeling like a balloon was blown up around his
head and neck. This symptom does not sound as bad as it really was.
5. His left shoulder was so restricted that he could not bring
his arm out in front of his body or raise his arm to the side up to
90 degrees.
6. He was unable to turn his head around to look behind him.
7. His cognitive abilities were severely affected. He stated
that at times it was like a flow of something was cut off at the
neck. This condition was relieved temporarily with an osteopathic
manipulation (performed by an osteopath – not something that I would
want to do)
8. High blood pressure
9. His arms would fall asleep regularly

Here are my observations from when we started the bodywork:
Every muscle in his body felt like cement. At the time I did not
realize how badly this deviated from a normal, healthy body.
His body was a great teaching aid for learning anatomy because I
could feel the definition of the superficial muscles. In some cases,
I could feel the deeper muscles as the more superficial ones became
softer.
Winter was especially hard on him. We live in an area where the
temperatures are sometimes near zero (and occasionally below zero).
The cold air would cause a chill to go through him and that would add
a new dimension to his pain.
The despair that I sensed in him was heartbreaking. He referred to
himself as a walking corpse. His condition kept getting worse and
the doctors told him there was nothing they could do other than
osteopathic manipulation and pain killers. I just thank God that
none of the doctors recommended a fusion.

Since I started working on my husband's body (a little over 2 years
ago), the headaches are gone and so is the pressure in the head and
neck area. He has a much better range of motion and his blood
pressure is normal. He can turn his head to look behind him and his
left shoulder is no longer restricted. He still experiences neck and
low back pain but it is brought down to a tolerable level with
medication. Before I started working on him, even with medication
the pain was at an intolerable level. His arms still fall asleep
occasionally but not as often as before. The thing that I have
observed that is most meaningful to me cannot be described in terms
of clinical symptoms. The person I married is starting to make an
appearance now. For such a long time my husband's life has been
totally dominated by dealing with the pain and whatever flow was cut
off from the brain. Seeing him in a state where he can think,
function and have a conversation tells me more about the improvements
in his condition than any description of clinical symptoms.

As I mentioned previously, before I discovered Erik Dalton's
material, I had seen some success (mostly in range of motion) using
the different modalities that I had found. Erik saved me years of
study by mastering several of the areas himself that I had started
pursuing and boiling down the different approaches into a very
effective set of techniques. When I started following his method,
there is no doubt that the rate of improvement was greatly
accelerated.

If anyone is still reading, I have a question. When a person
presents a condition like I have described where every muscle feels
like it is filled with cement, how would a Rolfing Practitioner
approach such a body? From what I have read, I am guessing that the
muscles have filled up with scar tissue and that needs to be broken
up and then the muscles stretched. After two years of daily
bodywork, I am still breaking up some hardened spots. I can't
imagine being able to accomplish that in 10 sessions.

Kind Regards and thank you for listening,

Gail Alston






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Hello again -
A member sent me an email and suggested that I post some information
about the initial diagnosis on my husband and the symptoms that we
have been able to relieve using Erik Dalton's material.
I can't tell you how happy I am to be able to talk about what we are
experiencing with a group of people who understand what is going on.
There is not one person in my professional and social circles who
knows anything about the human body, so there is no one I can discuss
this with who would even begin to understand.

The official diagnosis on my husband is lumbar degenerative disc
disease.  He also has a stress fracture on the articular process on
one side of L5 and bone spurs and arthritis.  That does not even
begin to describe what he has been experiencing.  Here is a list of
symptoms that he has told me about.  I am probably missing a couple,
but these are the main ones:
1. severe neck and low back pain.  He described it as feeling
like there is an ice pick in his neck and one in his low back
2. sciatic pain
3. He always had a headache.  I mean this in the literal sense.
He always had a headache and sometimes it was severe.
4. There was a feeling of constant pressure in his neck area.
He described it as feeling like a balloon was blown up around his
head and neck.  This symptom does not sound as bad as it really was.
5. His left shoulder was so restricted that he could not bring
his arm out in front of his body or raise his arm to the side up to
90 degrees.
6. He was unable to turn his head around to look behind him.
7.  His cognitive abilities were severely affected.  He stated
that at times it was like a flow of something was cut off at the
neck.  This condition was relieved temporarily with an osteopathic
manipulation (performed by an osteopath – not something that I would
want to do)
8. High blood pressure
9. His arms would fall asleep regularly


Here are my observations from when we started the bodywork:
Every muscle in his body felt like cement.  At the time I did not
realize how badly this deviated from a normal, healthy body.
His body was a great teaching aid for learning anatomy because I
could feel the definition of the superficial muscles.  In some cases,
I could feel the deeper muscles as the more superficial ones became
softer.
Winter was especially hard on him.  We live in an area where the
temperatures are sometimes near zero (and occasionally below zero).
The cold air would cause a chill to go through him and that would add
a new dimension to his pain.
The despair that I sensed in him was heartbreaking.  He referred to
himself as a walking corpse.  His condition kept getting worse and
the doctors told him there was nothing they could do other than
osteopathic manipulation and pain killers.  I just thank God that
none of the doctors recommended a fusion.

Since I started working on my husband's body (a little over 2 years
ago), the headaches are gone and so is the pressure in the head and
neck area.  He has a much better range of motion and his blood
pressure is normal.  He can turn his head to look behind him and his
left shoulder is no longer restricted.  He still experiences neck and
low back pain but it is brought down to a tolerable level with
medication.  Before I started working on him, even with medication
the pain was at an intolerable level.  His arms still fall asleep
occasionally but not as often as before.  The thing that I have
observed that is most meaningful to me cannot be described in terms
of clinical symptoms.  The person I married is starting to make an
appearance now.  For such a long time my husband's life has been
totally dominated by dealing with the pain and whatever flow was cut
off from the brain.  Seeing him in a state where he can think,
function and have a conversation tells me more about the improvements
in his condition than any description of clinical symptoms.

As I mentioned previously, before I discovered Erik Dalton's
material, I had seen some success (mostly in range of motion) using
the different modalities that I had found.  Erik saved me years of
study by mastering several of the areas himself that I had started
pursuing and boiling down the different approaches into a very
effective set of techniques.  When I started following his method,
there is no doubt that the rate of improvement was greatly
accelerated.

If anyone is still reading, I have a question.  When a person
presents a condition like I have described where every muscle feels
like it is filled with cement, how would a Rolfing Practitioner
approach such a body?  From what I have read, I am guessing that the
muscles have filled up with scar tissue and that needs to be broken
up and then the muscles stretched.  After two years of daily
bodywork, I am still breaking up some hardened spots.  I can't
imagine being able to accomplish that in 10 sessions.

Kind Regards and thank you for listening,

Gail Alston

I hope that this group does not mind my posting a message, but I
could not let this question go by without any response.  Erik
Dalton's material has allowed me to take my husband from a life of
constant and severe pain to a point where life is tolerable for him.
He still deals with constant pain, but we are constantly improving
his quality of life and we're not done yet.  The thing that makes
this situation so remarkable is that I have had no training in
bodywork at all.  Before I started working on my husband's body a
little over two years ago, I knew absolutely nothing about anatomy or
physiology.  I started down the path of learning bodywork when I saw
a book on trigger point massage that was written for the layperson
(which I definitely was).  Both my husband and I were shocked that
the massage helped relieve some of his symptoms, so I searched for
additional material.  I purchased several books on different types of
therapies.  Some were helpful and some were not.  Finally, my
Internet searching brought me to Erik Dalton's site.  I found the
articles on his site to be very informative and the sample techniques
were effective, so I purchased his first video.  Soon after I
received it I was so impressed with the results that I purchased the
rest of his videos.  Until that point in time, my husband's condition
had been steadily deteriorating for the previous 20 years or so and
during that time he was seeing an osteopath regularly.  The bodywork
is the first thing that actually reduced his symptoms.  When I
discovered Erik's material I had collected quite a bit of material on
different modalities including (but not limited to) deep tissue
massage, Leon Chaitow's work, reciprocal inhibition, strain-
counterstrain, muscle energy, trigger points, and energy work.
Erik's material consolidated the lines of therapy that I had
experienced success with into very effective targeted techniques.
Just as important as the techniques though was the information that
he included describing the situation that each technique is targeting
and the intention of the technique.  Initially, I had to look up
quite a bit of terminology because he uses the osteopath's
vernacular.  I also spent quite a bit of time studying the anatomy
that he includes because as I do the bodywork, I found that I am most
effective when I envision the structure and tissues in the area where
I am working.  I do realize that the anatomy and physiology
information is not new for the practitioners of Structural
Integration, but for me it offered a complete picture of this line of
bodywork.  I am now able to adapt the techniques that I use while
still keeping the intent the same as Erik describes.  I work on my
husband's body for 1 1/2 hours every evening and have been doing this
for a little over two years.  The results are truly astonishing -
especially considering that I have not had any classroom training at
all.  I am forever indebted to Erik for publishing his material.
Anyone who wishes to get an idea of his work can do so from the free
articles, newsletters and sample videos on his web site.  You are
correct Paulo - Erik is an advanced Rolfer.  He regularly gives
credit to Ida Rolf for providing the foundation for what he is
doing.  In addition to the principles of Rolfing, Erik has
incorporated muscle energy work from an osteopath's perspective and
other soft tissue principles.  Just as as aside, because of the
references that Erik made as well as several of the other authors in
my collection having been trained as Rolfers, I did look into the
possibility of enrolling in Rolfing myself(just to work on my
husband).  Unfortunately, I could not figure out how to make the
schooling work since I am employed full time and my income supports
the household.  I joined this group to learn what I could from those
who have been able to pursue Structural Integration professionally.
I never intended to post a message, but I just could not let this
question go without any response.  It's difficult to explain the
dramatic improvement in my husband's condition without someone
actually seeing him.  He has gone from an intolerable condition to
one where he can function, and I credit Erik's material for teaching
me how to make that happen.

Kind Regards to all, and thank you for listening
Gail Alston

--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, "Paolo"
<nypablo70@...> wrote:
>
> is anyone of you familiar with him and his works?
> i'd like to hear your opinions..
> i'm really interested in the world of fascia and related approaches
> such as structural integration and if i'm not wrong he is also an
> advanced rolfer.
> any comment,feedback and or experience about him and his technique?
> thanks a lot,
> Paolo
>

--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, Stuart Bell <bellstuart@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear SI egroup and Moderator,                02-03-07
>
> I have a new email and website, stuartbell@...
>
> Please sign me up for the egroup
>  thanks
>
> Sincerely,
> Stuart Bell
>
>
> 510  684.3173
> www.equinebody.com
> stuartbell@...
> bellstuart@...

You'll have to change your yahoo ID to send to this email address or leave the
group and
rejoin using a Yahoo ID with that email address.  I don't have any way to change
individual
membership attributes.  I can only allow or deny access to the group and change
the type
of notification they get.  If you comcast account bounces, I'll remove you from
the group
and you can rejoin.

Dear SI egroup and Moderator,                02-03-07

I have a new email and website, stuartbell@...

Please sign me up for the egroup
  thanks

Sincerely,
Stuart Bell


510  684.3173
www.equinebody.com
stuartbell@...
bellstuart@...

Structure determines function, and
function determines structure

www.hellerwork.com
www.equinestructuralintegration.com



jpascu@... wrote:
>
> Hello;
>
> I just wanted to let you know that my new book Equine Structural
> Integration: Myofascial Release Manual started shipping a couple of
> weeks ago. You can find chapter excerpts at www.equinesi.com.
>
> regards
> jim
>
> --
> Jim Pascucci
> Advanced Rolfer
> www.JimtheRolfer.com
> www.equinesi.com
> Author of Equine Structural Integration: Myofascial Release Manual
>
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>
>


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Hello;

I just wanted to let you know that my new book Equine Structural Integration:
Myofascial Release Manual started shipping a couple of weeks ago. You can find
chapter excerpts at www.equinesi.com.

regards
jim

--
Jim Pascucci
Advanced Rolfer
www.JimtheRolfer.com
www.equinesi.com
Author of Equine Structural Integration: Myofascial Release Manual

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Robert,
As yet, no, there is no legal limit on using those two terms. And I suspect
there won't be. Like the term Chiropractic, which is not a registered term,
Structural Integration probably won't get servicemarked. But, like Chiropractic,
as we get our certification exam done, and apply to states for specialty
licensing, and do gobs of marketing, we hope that the term will take on a
specific meaning and won't be usable by people who have not done real SI
training. Right now, IASI tries to send letters to schools and providers who
claim to teach Structural Integration - we just explain what it is, what the
training standards are, the advent of a certification exam, and ask them to use
another term for what they teach.
Marilyn Beech


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: robertjc
   To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:58 AM
   Subject: [Structural_Integration] Using the term, "Structural Alignment" or
"Structural Integration" in adds....


   Greetings,

   I'm wondering whether it is alright for a LMT to use the
   term "Structural Alignment" or "Structural Integration" in any kind of
   Advertising. Is there any kind of trademark on these terms? (Like
   how the Rolf Institute has a trademark on the usage of the
   term "Rolfing")

   Is it possible to get in trouble with state laws with the Dept. of
   Health that using such terms as "Structural Alignment" or "Structural
   Integration" might conflict with say, Chiropractic practice?

   Thank You,

   Robert





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Greetings,

I'm wondering whether it is alright for a LMT to use the
term "Structural Alignment" or "Structural Integration" in any kind of
Advertising.  Is there any kind of trademark on these terms?  (Like
how the Rolf Institute has a trademark on the usage of the
term "Rolfing")

Is it possible to get in trouble with state laws with the Dept. of
Health that using such terms as "Structural Alignment" or "Structural
Integration" might conflict with say, Chiropractic practice?

Thank You,

Robert

is anyone of you familiar with him and his works?
i'd like to hear your opinions..
i'm really interested in the world of fascia and related approaches
such as structural integration and if i'm not wrong he is also an
advanced rolfer.
any comment,feedback and or experience about him and his technique?
thanks a lot,
Paolo

On this subject - rather an interesting & informative site.
http://216.25.5.90/baby/  Describes the stages we go thru in the womb - with a
large number of stages to click on -   & the ads on the right provide even more
info - for anyone interested in pre-natal development.

These is also the Netherton Method of Perinatal & even past life release
therapy.

Lou Gross


Buddy Frank <bfrank@...> wrote:          Tara-

Thanks for bringing this discussion to the forum. I am responding to your
query of ³What is the best Cranial work?² It has been my experience that
the best cranial work is done by folks who have had training and have
worked/processed through their own prenatal and perinatal trauma and shock.
Often you will find Biodynamic practitioners (eg Franklyn Sills graduates)
who have done this, as well as others (eg Hugh Milne grads.) There are also
SI practitioners who are practiced at this type of touch (some who have
cranial training and others who have Pre & Perinatal Psychology training).

It is crucial for the practitioner to have worked through their own shock
around their prenatal and perinatal issues, so that they can accurately
perceive what is happening with the client. Children and infants are
wonderful to work with at this level, as they readily allow themselves to
drop to the pre and Perinatal levels, but only if the practitioner can hold
the space for it.

In regards to your son, it seems that aspects of his birth trauma have been
resolved, but that there are deeper prenatal processes at work, and these
need to be addressed for your son¹s full healing. (Healing blessings for
him!)

Peace-
Buddy Frank

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Hi Dennis,

Rhode Island is a small state with several options.
You have Steve Cavanaugh in Saunderstown at 401-294-9660
Casey Kiernan in East Providence at 401-595-2479
Greg Knight in Riverside at 401-724-8426
Jim Tucker in Greenville at 401-949-4287
Joe Wheatley in West Greenwich at 401-397-4428
and myself Rob Martin about 35 min. west of Prov. at 860-774-7477
Good Luck

Rob Martin, LMT
www.rolfbodyworks.org

Thanks Jim.

DoctorDohn@... wrote:          Hi Carol,

This is usually referred to as Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy Syndrome or
Complex Regional Pain Syndrome. The important word is "syndrome". This
translates
to mean, "we do not know what it is".
You've probably already googled it and found out about the swelling and
redness and burning. I like to think of this condition as an angry limb. It is
clearly a nerve reaction as is anything that we can feel or move is a nerve
reaction. And as difficult as it is to consider that conditions are "in our
head", the possibility exists that if we could only see our brain and nerves we
would have our same shape but look like a bundle of steel wool. We are all
walking heads from the nervous system point of view. Nerves are everywhere. And
they respond to our central nervous system both ways. So when I say "angry" I
am not being facetious or smart alecky. Our work, where we stay present and
work within the pain tolerance of the person and press into disorganization and
stay present and allow the person to stay present has the possibility of
releasing emotional energy that can trigger and irritate nerves. Anger or fear
or
tremendous disappointment or whatever can be unconcealed. I have worked with
this condition very gingerly at first until the sensitivity subsided..it will
subside and allow the patient to express whatever there was to express. So
once again, I say, the ten series,with full expression, is still the best
treatment for this. Let us know how you do. Gingerly at first.

Dr. Jim Dohn

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Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
www.manualtherapysolutions.com
Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
By appointment only 540-846-7653




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Thanks Lucia.

Serveup@... wrote:          Carol
For what it is worth. I have read there is a connection between RSD and
artificial sweetner use. You might ask your client to stop using that if she
does.

Lucia

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Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
www.manualtherapysolutions.com
Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
By appointment only 540-846-7653




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I suggest waiting.   The surgery is probably because of an inflammation or
back up in the gall bladder.  Any unnecessary pressure is definitely not called
for, I'd say.  After the surgery your work will very beneficial.
I say.

Dr. Jim


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Looking for SI in Providence RI. I have a high level college soccer player
interested in 10  or 12 series
   Thanks for your help
   Dennis


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Looking for SI in Providence RI. I have a high level college soccer player
interested in 10  or 12 series
   Thanks for your help
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I have a client who is in the middle of her series and now needs gall
bladder surgery.
Should we try to finish the core b/f surgery or just take a break in the
middle. We have finished 6 (Tom Myers 12 sessions) so we need 7 &  8 (upper
pole)

any other thoughts are appreciated
thanks
Lucia


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Carol
For what it is worth. I have read there is a connection between RSD and
artificial sweetner use. You might ask your client to stop using that if she 
does.

Lucia


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Carol,

This is usually referred to as Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy Syndrome or
Complex Regional Pain Syndrome.  The important word is "syndrome".  This
translates
to mean, "we do not know what it is".
You've probably already googled it and found out about the swelling and
redness and burning.  I like to think of this condition as an angry limb.  It is
clearly a nerve reaction as is anything that we can feel or move is a nerve
reaction.  And as difficult as it is to consider that conditions are "in our
head", the possibility exists that if we could only see our brain and nerves we
would have our same shape but look like a bundle of steel wool.  We are all
walking heads from the nervous system point of view.  Nerves are everywhere. 
And
they respond to our central nervous system both ways.  So when I say "angry" I
am not being facetious or smart alecky.  Our work, where we stay present and
work within the pain tolerance of the person and press into disorganization and
stay present and allow the person to stay present has the possibility of
releasing emotional energy that can trigger and irritate nerves.  Anger or fear
or
tremendous disappointment or whatever can be unconcealed.  I have worked with
this condition very gingerly at first until the sensitivity subsided..it will
subside and allow the patient to express whatever there was to express.  So
once again, I say, the ten series,with full expression, is still the best
treatment for this.  Let us know how you do.  Gingerly at first.

Dr. Jim Dohn


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A woman is coming to see me with newly diagnosed RSD.  What is anyone's
experience with this?



Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
www.manualtherapysolutions.com
Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
By appointment only 540-846-7653




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I am located in Laguna Niguel.  I gratuated November of last year and trained
under Dan Bienenfeld, Dan Rawson and Joseph Heller.  I would be more than happy
to entertain the possibility of meeting your referral and potentially working
with him.

Sincerely,

Laura McKenzie
(949) 637-4815 cell


-----Original Message-----
From: hquistorff@...
To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: [Structural_Integration] Referral for Costa Mesa California


I have a client that wants to get her brother started. He will
probably need som convincing by the sister and the practitioner.
anyone interested in that area contact me directly and I will set up
the contact exchange.
Hans Albert Quistorff, LMP
Antalgic Posture Pain Specialist



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