Hello;

I just wanted to let you know that my new book Equine Structural Integration:
Myofascial Release Manual started shipping a couple of weeks ago. You can find
chapter excerpts at www.equinesi.com.

regards
jim

--
Jim Pascucci
Advanced Rolfer
www.JimtheRolfer.com
www.equinesi.com
Author of Equine Structural Integration: Myofascial Release Manual

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Robert,
As yet, no, there is no legal limit on using those two terms. And I suspect
there won't be. Like the term Chiropractic, which is not a registered term,
Structural Integration probably won't get servicemarked. But, like Chiropractic,
as we get our certification exam done, and apply to states for specialty
licensing, and do gobs of marketing, we hope that the term will take on a
specific meaning and won't be usable by people who have not done real SI
training. Right now, IASI tries to send letters to schools and providers who
claim to teach Structural Integration - we just explain what it is, what the
training standards are, the advent of a certification exam, and ask them to use
another term for what they teach.
Marilyn Beech


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: robertjc
   To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:58 AM
   Subject: [Structural_Integration] Using the term, "Structural Alignment" or
"Structural Integration" in adds....


   Greetings,

   I'm wondering whether it is alright for a LMT to use the
   term "Structural Alignment" or "Structural Integration" in any kind of
   Advertising. Is there any kind of trademark on these terms? (Like
   how the Rolf Institute has a trademark on the usage of the
   term "Rolfing")

   Is it possible to get in trouble with state laws with the Dept. of
   Health that using such terms as "Structural Alignment" or "Structural
   Integration" might conflict with say, Chiropractic practice?

   Thank You,

   Robert





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Greetings,

I'm wondering whether it is alright for a LMT to use the
term "Structural Alignment" or "Structural Integration" in any kind of
Advertising.  Is there any kind of trademark on these terms?  (Like
how the Rolf Institute has a trademark on the usage of the
term "Rolfing")

Is it possible to get in trouble with state laws with the Dept. of
Health that using such terms as "Structural Alignment" or "Structural
Integration" might conflict with say, Chiropractic practice?

Thank You,

Robert

is anyone of you familiar with him and his works?
i'd like to hear your opinions..
i'm really interested in the world of fascia and related approaches
such as structural integration and if i'm not wrong he is also an
advanced rolfer.
any comment,feedback and or experience about him and his technique?
thanks a lot,
Paolo

On this subject - rather an interesting & informative site.
http://216.25.5.90/baby/  Describes the stages we go thru in the womb - with a
large number of stages to click on -   & the ads on the right provide even more
info - for anyone interested in pre-natal development.

These is also the Netherton Method of Perinatal & even past life release
therapy.

Lou Gross


Buddy Frank <bfrank@...> wrote:          Tara-

Thanks for bringing this discussion to the forum. I am responding to your
query of ³What is the best Cranial work?² It has been my experience that
the best cranial work is done by folks who have had training and have
worked/processed through their own prenatal and perinatal trauma and shock.
Often you will find Biodynamic practitioners (eg Franklyn Sills graduates)
who have done this, as well as others (eg Hugh Milne grads.) There are also
SI practitioners who are practiced at this type of touch (some who have
cranial training and others who have Pre & Perinatal Psychology training).

It is crucial for the practitioner to have worked through their own shock
around their prenatal and perinatal issues, so that they can accurately
perceive what is happening with the client. Children and infants are
wonderful to work with at this level, as they readily allow themselves to
drop to the pre and Perinatal levels, but only if the practitioner can hold
the space for it.

In regards to your son, it seems that aspects of his birth trauma have been
resolved, but that there are deeper prenatal processes at work, and these
need to be addressed for your son¹s full healing. (Healing blessings for
him!)

Peace-
Buddy Frank

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Hi Dennis,

Rhode Island is a small state with several options.
You have Steve Cavanaugh in Saunderstown at 401-294-9660
Casey Kiernan in East Providence at 401-595-2479
Greg Knight in Riverside at 401-724-8426
Jim Tucker in Greenville at 401-949-4287
Joe Wheatley in West Greenwich at 401-397-4428
and myself Rob Martin about 35 min. west of Prov. at 860-774-7477
Good Luck

Rob Martin, LMT
www.rolfbodyworks.org

Thanks Jim.

DoctorDohn@... wrote:          Hi Carol,

This is usually referred to as Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy Syndrome or
Complex Regional Pain Syndrome. The important word is "syndrome". This
translates
to mean, "we do not know what it is".
You've probably already googled it and found out about the swelling and
redness and burning. I like to think of this condition as an angry limb. It is
clearly a nerve reaction as is anything that we can feel or move is a nerve
reaction. And as difficult as it is to consider that conditions are "in our
head", the possibility exists that if we could only see our brain and nerves we
would have our same shape but look like a bundle of steel wool. We are all
walking heads from the nervous system point of view. Nerves are everywhere. And
they respond to our central nervous system both ways. So when I say "angry" I
am not being facetious or smart alecky. Our work, where we stay present and
work within the pain tolerance of the person and press into disorganization and
stay present and allow the person to stay present has the possibility of
releasing emotional energy that can trigger and irritate nerves. Anger or fear
or
tremendous disappointment or whatever can be unconcealed. I have worked with
this condition very gingerly at first until the sensitivity subsided..it will
subside and allow the patient to express whatever there was to express. So
once again, I say, the ten series,with full expression, is still the best
treatment for this. Let us know how you do. Gingerly at first.

Dr. Jim Dohn

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Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
www.manualtherapysolutions.com
Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
By appointment only 540-846-7653




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Thanks Lucia.

Serveup@... wrote:          Carol
For what it is worth. I have read there is a connection between RSD and
artificial sweetner use. You might ask your client to stop using that if she
does.

Lucia

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Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
www.manualtherapysolutions.com
Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
By appointment only 540-846-7653




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I suggest waiting.   The surgery is probably because of an inflammation or
back up in the gall bladder.  Any unnecessary pressure is definitely not called
for, I'd say.  After the surgery your work will very beneficial.
I say.

Dr. Jim


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Looking for SI in Providence RI. I have a high level college soccer player
interested in 10  or 12 series
   Thanks for your help
   Dennis


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   Thanks for your help
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I have a client who is in the middle of her series and now needs gall
bladder surgery.
Should we try to finish the core b/f surgery or just take a break in the
middle. We have finished 6 (Tom Myers 12 sessions) so we need 7 &  8 (upper
pole)

any other thoughts are appreciated
thanks
Lucia


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Carol
For what it is worth. I have read there is a connection between RSD and
artificial sweetner use. You might ask your client to stop using that if she 
does.

Lucia


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Hi Carol,

This is usually referred to as Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy Syndrome or
Complex Regional Pain Syndrome.  The important word is "syndrome".  This
translates
to mean, "we do not know what it is".
You've probably already googled it and found out about the swelling and
redness and burning.  I like to think of this condition as an angry limb.  It is
clearly a nerve reaction as is anything that we can feel or move is a nerve
reaction.  And as difficult as it is to consider that conditions are "in our
head", the possibility exists that if we could only see our brain and nerves we
would have our same shape but look like a bundle of steel wool.  We are all
walking heads from the nervous system point of view.  Nerves are everywhere. 
And
they respond to our central nervous system both ways.  So when I say "angry" I
am not being facetious or smart alecky.  Our work, where we stay present and
work within the pain tolerance of the person and press into disorganization and
stay present and allow the person to stay present has the possibility of
releasing emotional energy that can trigger and irritate nerves.  Anger or fear
or
tremendous disappointment or whatever can be unconcealed.  I have worked with
this condition very gingerly at first until the sensitivity subsided..it will
subside and allow the patient to express whatever there was to express.  So
once again, I say, the ten series,with full expression, is still the best
treatment for this.  Let us know how you do.  Gingerly at first.

Dr. Jim Dohn


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A woman is coming to see me with newly diagnosed RSD.  What is anyone's
experience with this?



Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
www.manualtherapysolutions.com
Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
By appointment only 540-846-7653




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I am located in Laguna Niguel.  I gratuated November of last year and trained
under Dan Bienenfeld, Dan Rawson and Joseph Heller.  I would be more than happy
to entertain the possibility of meeting your referral and potentially working
with him.

Sincerely,

Laura McKenzie
(949) 637-4815 cell


-----Original Message-----
From: hquistorff@...
To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: [Structural_Integration] Referral for Costa Mesa California


I have a client that wants to get her brother started. He will
probably need som convincing by the sister and the practitioner.
anyone interested in that area contact me directly and I will set up
the contact exchange.
Hans Albert Quistorff, LMP
Antalgic Posture Pain Specialist



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I have a client that wants to get her brother started.  He will
probably need som convincing by the sister and the practitioner.
anyone interested in that area contact me directly and I will set up
the contact exchange.
Hans Albert Quistorff, LMP
Antalgic  Posture Pain Specialist

Mark Finch is a prince among men:

   Email  mfkmi@...
Office Phone  604 617 2696


On Jan 14, 2007, at 11:38 PM, Ryan Flowers wrote:

> Looking for a practitioner in the Vancouver region experienced with
> scoliosis - visceral
> knowledge a plus as well. Thanks for any and all efforts/
> recommendations.
> Regards,
> Ryan
>
>
>

Thomas Myers
318 Clarks Cove Rd
Walpole ME 04573 USA
www.AnatomyTrains.net
kinesis@...





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Looking for a practitioner in the Vancouver region experienced with scoliosis -
visceral
knowledge a plus as well.  Thanks for any and all efforts/recommendations.
Regards,
Ryan

I found a connection between Marfan's Syndrome and lack of magnesium - here are
links

http://www.ctds.info/5_13_magnesium.html
Common Conditions That May Result from a Magnesium Deficiency
Section on:   Anxiety and Psychiatric Disorders  - fifth paragraph down

Also on magnesium deficiency
   http://stuff.mit.edu/people/london/magnesium.html
The Role of Magnesium in Fibromyalgia

Both are summary reports and have lots of links

Lou Gross




Serveup@... wrote:
           Thanks to everyone for all the info.

one more question. This young lady also has marfans (I just found out)

Any thought on that aspect?

She has a thoracic curve that has progressed from 37 to around 50 in a short
time span.
thanks
Lucia

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here-here, salute and cin cin, dr. dohn.  well said.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: DoctorDohn@...
   To: Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:58 PM
   Subject: Re: [Structural_Integration] Re: ART part II


   Dear All

   Baskin Robbins used to have a notice in their ice cream stores that said
   something to effect of "There are few products that cannot be produced with a
   little less quality and sold at a cheaper price. The sense of satisfaction of
   knowing the quality you are purchasing is priceless. Enjoy our ice cream." Or
   something like that. Active Release Technique is so far removed from what
   Structural Integration that it is in a totally different class. And, our sense
of
   touch is guided by the knowledge of whole body balance every stroke of the
   way. This sense of balance and ease in motion is not taught in the fix and
   repair techniques. And our best promotion is still our knowledgeable touch and
   approach. Regardless of what anyone writes or advertises. We and our clients
   know. That's enough. And the ART Practitioners that have actually experienced
   Structural Integration know also that what we do is very different. And there
   are some that do not know the difference between thinking they know what
   Structural Integration is and actually experiencing it.

   A very wise man once said that people often mistake the menu for the meal.

   We are the real meal.

   Dr. Jim Dohn

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Dear All

Baskin Robbins used to have a notice in their ice cream stores that said
something to effect of "There are few products that cannot be produced with a
little less quality and sold at a cheaper price.  The sense of satisfaction of
knowing the quality you are purchasing is priceless.  Enjoy our ice cream." Or
something like that.  Active Release Technique is so far removed from what
Structural Integration that it is in a totally different class.  And, our sense
of
touch is guided by the knowledge of whole body balance every stroke of the
way.  This sense of balance and ease in motion is not taught in the fix and
repair techniques.  And our best promotion is still our knowledgeable touch and
approach.  Regardless of what anyone writes or advertises.  We and our clients
know.  That's enough.  And the ART Practitioners that have actually experienced
Structural Integration know also that what we do is very different.  And there
are some that do not know the difference between thinking they know what
Structural Integration is and actually experiencing it.

A very wise man once said that people often mistake the menu for the meal.

We are the real meal.

Dr. Jim Dohn


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Michael;

I wanted to thankyou for your efforts on the IASI website as well as this list.
I saw that you've passed the baton on to someone else. Thanks for the great
start you gave us.
regards
jim

--
Jim Pascucci
Advanced Rolfer
www.JimtheRolfer.com
www.equinesi.com
Author of Equine Structural Integration: Myofascial Release Manual

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At six years old the client is capable of using this self care based on a
speech therapy protocol.
It is based on the muscle ligament attachments to the sphenoid.
Check the orbits of the eye.  if one eye is sunk in deeper or has a larger
orbit around it the tongue should be extended out of the open mouth and the
tip of the tongue should be curled up toward that eye or down away on the
opposite side where the eye may be bulging out.
which ever is the most difficult should be done 2 or 3 times to one that is
easy.  If this is done during a CanioSacral session it is most effective and
then daily or more repetitions by the client keeps the process going.
Should be fun for a six year old to have permission to stick his tongue out.

--
  Hans Albert Quistorff, LMP
Antalgic Posture Pain Specialist


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Dear SI members,                  01.08.07

Hi. Happy and Joyous New Year! (Pardon me if this is a repeat email for
you.)

I am visiting the SF Bay Area next week as I travel north from LA to
home in SW Washington State near Portland OR.

I am available next week for Hellerwork Structural Integration Sessions
(www.hellerwork.com) in East Bay. Please contact me here
bellstuart@... or at 510 684 3173 to schedule a session or two.

I am traveling because I am visiting Horse Barns along the west coast
offering Structural Integration for Horses called The Equine and Human
Natural Body Movement Series (www.josephfreeman.com).

If you know horse lovers who could benefit I would appreciate it if you
would let them and me know and I will contact them. The horses and
owners will appreciate it as well.

Thanks for your support in getting SI work out into the world.

Best regards,

Stuart Bell
510 684 3173
bellstuart@...


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Tara-

Thanks for bringing this discussion to the forum.  I am responding to your
query of ³What is the best Cranial work?²  It has been my experience that
the best cranial work is done by folks who have had training and have
worked/processed through their own prenatal and perinatal trauma and shock.
Often you will find Biodynamic practitioners (eg Franklyn Sills graduates)
who have done this, as well as others (eg Hugh Milne grads.)  There are also
SI practitioners who are practiced at this type of touch (some who have
cranial training and others who have Pre & Perinatal Psychology training).

It is crucial for the practitioner to have worked through their own shock
around their prenatal and perinatal issues, so that they can accurately
perceive what is happening with the client.  Children and infants are
wonderful to work with at this level, as they readily allow themselves to
drop to the pre and Perinatal levels, but only if the practitioner can hold
the space for it.

In regards to your son, it seems that aspects of his birth trauma have been
resolved, but that there are deeper prenatal processes at work, and these
need to be addressed for your son¹s full healing. (Healing blessings for
him!)

Peace-
Buddy Frank






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Oops - site is www.backfixbodywork.com with an "i" in the word fix - sorry and
sorry for all the typos - I am tired and not wearing the eyegralsses set for
seeing the computer screen.

   Lou


Louis Gross <louisryoshin@...> wrote:
           Hello Tara,

To add to what Tom Myers wrote, the Structural Integration Method of Connective
Tissue Manipulation (Fascia manipulation) is a whole body fascial lengthening
system that works in a particular order or sequence of muscles in muscles groups
so that the different areas of the structure release their own tightness pulls
on other areas, and in the head's case, for instance, the legs, thighs, pelvis,
abdomen and chest, even the arms and back, accumulate shortness in their muscle
groups, even through birth and early childhood, and that keeps various areas of
the head muscle bone system short, and held tight. If these are tight, an
attempt to just push on the head structure first can meet with the re-tightening
that you might have been noticing - the other parts keep pulling the local part
back into the shortness of the entire system. This sequence to finally work deep
in the head could be called a preparation for this deep head pushing to release
into the wider and longer
fascia system of the entire rest of the body.

For instance, tight deep hamstrings will preven a lot of the jaw from releasing
and alsokeep the lower back and the neck tight, as well as even keep the feet
and ankles toght and the abdomen pulled downward.

There is a free description of the muscle groups and formal recipe steps - in
general - on the Hellerwork website - in the Client's Handbook section. I also
have a description of the steps in another kind of description - I will send it
if you are interested - just email me personally on mhy own
louisryoshin@...

A little more on lengthening, which you probably know, but I'd like to add some
logical explanation of how shortness in one area affects other areast : As you
know, between each bone is a tendon-muscle body- tendon length of softer tissue.
Sometimes a number of these lengths. The muscle body is made of manhy long thin
muscle fibers connected to manyh nerve signals eachm, in their manhy muscle
fiber segments - or sections -and this is what moves the muscle in our dynamic
bending and straightening of joints, and even moving some of the joints in the
head. To hold all these muscle fibers together and provide space for blood,
lymph, nerve and other elements to make the muscle function, there is the
putty-like fluid with a lot of tiny collagenand elastin protein fibers in them.
And of course, it turns out that this body of the muscle, held in a shape by the
filler areas and wrappings of this fascia - is the part that shortens from
physical and athletic muscle activity,
from muscular emotional tension, and from pushes and pulls on the body shape, as
from the birth experience and falls, blows, etc.

So the lengths of all these tendon-muscle body-tendon "pieces" that connect all
our bines together, from head to toe to fingers, gets short - all over. And when
something inbetween the bones in the thigh and pelvis, for instance, are
shortened in the fascia, then the prlvic bines will be pulled out of alignment
and probably down, and tilting the pelvis, and that will pull on the abdominal
and back muscles, so that the ribs and vertebrae, for instance, are pulled down
and at an angle, then the neck and head will be pulled as well, and that jams
the head and keeps it bunched up just as the original birth pushing on the
fascia of the muscles, and pushing the bones around, would have done.

That is a basic explanation of why we are taught how to lengthen everything as a
whole body structural system. In fact, as more and more of the muscle system is
lengthened, that is, the fascia of the muscles and the areas over the whole body
parts, then the rest of the body will tend to atay more in the longer length,
and this is especially true, I have found, twhen the major
tightnesses=shortnesses have been lengthened, as in your son's case.

It is definitely OK to modify the sequence in certain ways - if a practitioner
is clear of what the method is supposed to be doing and understands how the
steps link together and help each other lengthen. I often have lengthened the
entire head - on the outside muscles - and the neck, back, upper chest and arms,
in a big set of muscle groups - as a first step to remove the tightness that
almost everyone seems to get in these areas. But I found it is much safer, and
it turns out to be easier and much more thorough in lengthening - the inner part
of the head structure only after the rest of the entire body is made much longer
- as even the jaw will not release much if the hamstrings are short, and they
are made short by the entire body imbalance and interconnected shortness of
manhy muscles in their fascia, like the adductors, calves, shins, abdominals,
back, even chest. In fact, after the various main areas are lengthened in steps
1-7 of the basic 10 step recipe,
including the head in step 7, then the legs, thighs, pelvis and so forth, and
torso, can release and lengthen when those areas are again manipulated.

So there is good reason why the local manipulatoin of the head has helped yhour
son, and also why the initial attempts to lengthen the local area would then be
pulled back into the shorter form of the entire body shape. It is also somewhat
common for the release of the head to relax the spine and even enable the lower
part of the back to lengthen and loosen.

There are other websites of Structural Integration Practitioners that list the
steps of the system briefly, and other schools besides Hellerwork that also
teach the same basic steps for the same overall system lengthening,

To answer your question about finding the best way to open the head, if I were
searching, knowing what I know, I would find a Structural Integration
Practitioner whose work feels comfortable, who can lengthen deeply in the legs
and abdominals, and the muscles between the ribs, and knows how to at least
lengthen the head on the outside and then in general on the inside - but with
some knowledge there, about the condition your son has. I emphasize the
lengthening of the entire body system - even to the outside of the head
somewhat, because, as I said, the rest of the body being lengthened, and the
muscle groups being organized as a whole system the way it was found to work
best, - releases those other many tight pulls.

And then I would find an expert on the correction of the shape of the head - as
you seem to have found with these DO and DC practitioners, and see how working
with both in an intelligent wahy, of knowing what helps what else, goes. I know
that in my own work, even ordinary chiropractic adjustments have enabled the
person's muscle system to release better when I manipulated the fascia of the
muscle bodies, and the chiropractor could get more vertebrae in, easier, and
more comfortably, after my own fascial lengthenings.

I am also a big advocte of effective stretching of the whole body in a way that
simulates the hands-on method, because more length and interconnected
organization can be created with this on conjunction with the hands-on.

So that's my own 2 cents worth based on my 24 years experience, However Tom
Myers is very experienced and as he wrotem familiar with other kinds of body
manipulation therapies, more than I in these methods you have been doing. So I
have just added some explanation of what he might have meant by preparation for
deep work in the head structure and so forth. Perhaps it helps your
understanding.

My own website has a number of explanatory articles about shortness in the
fascia and theStructural Integration system that can give you more information,
and maybe help you better understand different treatments, what they do and why
some have been more successful than others for you folks.
http:://www.backfxbodywork.com

If you do look there, I can recommend the Free Articles Page and the BodyMind
section articles as well, specifically the Psychological and Stress Removal
Benefits of The Bodywork Itself article. Most likely, your son absorbed some
amount of emotional trauma or charge, from you and the delivery staff, as well
as his own tightness, and then the physical pressures he absorbed. Probably you
already done manipulations have pushed a lot of this energy out, especially the
energies that got embedded in the collagen fibers of the muscles in the head.

Best - Lou Gross



tarakduvall <TaraKDuvall@...> wrote:
Hi Tom,
Thanks so much for the reply. I appreciate it. What type of
practitioner are you?
We originally started out with Osteopathic Manipulative Treatment
(OMT). The DO had about 7 years doing OMT under her belt. She was
extremely knowledgeable and confident. Her goal from day one, was
not to attempt to shift around cranial bones, but to get the
cerebral spinal fluid flowing at a better rhythm on the left side of
his head (flattened side). She could not "feel" a healthy flow on
that side. She went into his mouth and adjusted his jaw for the
asymmetry. At first, the results were remarkable! But then,
slowly, over about the course 2 weeks, they went back to their
familiar asymmetric pattern. The same thing goes for the muscle
spasm on his right shoulder. It would get better when she would
treat him, but them it would come back. Since NCR, when we started
in August, the spasm and jaw asymmetry have resolved--- Really, to
my amazement. I was quite skeptical at first. The NCR doc. that we
see is also a chiropractor and has been doing both since 1966 when
it was still considered "endo-nasal".
My son responds well to the treatment, (hard to believe, I know). I
had it done too one time, so I know how it feels. He says that he
likes the way it feels, except for one time. I believe it was the
first time when he was reaching the deeper left part of the
sphenoid, I guess. He seems energized, happy, but not real hungry
right away. Those are the only things we see. The first time, he
had mild jaw pain on the left side (I believe that is when the major
movement came with the jaw). Since then, no afterpains.
His history is this: Born via vacuum extraction with large head
circuference (he was too big for me). Extreme colic for 4 months.
Favored left side to sleep despite my constant effort to repostion
him. Head became FLAT. Doc. said it would round out on its own.
ITS A LIE, BY THE WAY. He need cranial work then, but I knew
nothing about that stuff and didn't even own a computer. At age 4,
he really started losing baby fat and slimming out. I noticed that
his clavicle was offset and protruding. His posture was suffering
and hew as holding his neck to one side. Lots of postural
compensation going on from what I believe now, was a birth injury.
His clavicle was either broken, fractured or dislocated at birth.
We started seeing a chiro. His postural analysis witht he Posture
Pro- V went from a posture score of 15 to a score of 5 in one year
and 4 months. The sway back has improved immensely.
A two year old had astounding result with NCR with flattening of the
back of his head. We have seen some results...small but, we feel
like we see them. As a mom, I'm trying to look ahead to when he is
a teenager, you know, the self-esteem aspect. I'm thinking that at
this point, he still has some growing to do and it still may change
a little more. Do you think?
So, you feel that an experienced DO, doing OMT is the best cranial
work out there? I'm interested in opinions on what is THE BEST
cranial work.
Can I email you a before and after bird's eye view of his head
shape. It would be nice to have an outside, unbiased opinion.
Thanks.
Any other opinions or stories are welcome concerning Neuro Cranial
Restructuring and how it would positively or negatively treat
plagiocepahly

Tara

--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Myers
<kinesis@...> wrote:
>
> Tara
>
> NCR (blowing up finger cots in the three nasal passages to open
the
> conchae and 'reset' the sphenoid) can have either good or
deleterious
> effects, depending on the circumstances.
>
> (Now, you're talking to a group of people who regularly stick
their
> fingers up peoples' noses, so I guess we can't talk much, hunh?)
>
> Here's the difference: we do it after a number of sessions to
prepare
> the body, and specifically the neck, to receive the intracranial
> work. Secondly, it's very slow.
>
> NCR (I've studied it as well as had it done) is a chiropractic
> adjustment for the viscerocranium (face bones) that can reach up
to
> the ethmoid and spenoid sometimes. The great advantage is that
you
> can get to all 6 nasal passages whereas the rolfing finger in the
> nose move can only get to two, really. The disadvantage of NCR
is
> that a sudden move is being made inside a relatively solid
structure,
> and like most earthquakes, you don't really know where the forces
are
> going to end up, or what the results would be.
>
> For the birthing trauma you describe, I would go back to cranial
> OMM. With all respect, if you have six months of treatment in
this
> vein without result, I would suggest gently that you try a
different
> practitioner, preferably a D.O., and hopefully one with lots of
> experience treating children for this kind of trauma.
>
> Even if you decide to go back to NCR afterward, you will get much
> better results if the body and head have been prepared first.
Based
> on the limited information your post gives, I am led toward the
> conclusion that whoever you were using for CST was not such an
> experienced practitioner - a 6-year old should respond readily to
> competent osteopathic treatment in this regard. A great deal can
be
> reached untraumatically through the palate, and of course via the
> cranial rhythms in the neruocranium (upper skull bones).
>
> Or, if I am wrong and you really had a skilled DO working on this
for
> 6 months, then the trauma is set in very deeply, may be something
> your son has to live with. This speaks against, rather than for,
> doing these sudden manipulations from the middle out.
>
> All that said, he's your son (what does he say, by the way?), so
if
> you see an improvement, perhaps NCR is what's working in his
case.
> All the foregoing is just a reaction from an opinionated person.
I
> would be uninclined to submit my 6-year old to the pain I had in
> doing this treatment until I had exhausted all other avenues.
>
> Thanks for listening
> Tom Myers
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2007, at 6:56 PM, tarakduvall wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am currently doing Neuro Cranial Restructuring for my 6 year
old
> > son with mild-mod. flattening of the side/back of his head. He
had
> > a truamatic delievery, born via vacuum extraction. Long story....
> > He has been undergoing chiropractic care for the past year and a
> > half and has had great improvment with his posture.
> > We believe that we have seen some change of the shape of his heas
> > since doing NCR. His jaw asymmetry improved for sure.
> > BUT--- I would really like to hear some other opinions and
personal
> > experiences concerning this technique.
> > If you know what NCR is, do you believe that the sphenoid bone
can
> > really be adjusted/moved?
> > We are getting ready to do series 4 in a few weeks.
> > I would really love to hear comments from other therapists.
> > By the way, we also tried OMT/CST for 7 months and didn't really
get
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tara
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thomas Myers
> 318 Clarks Cove Rd
> Walpole ME 04573 USA
> www.AnatomyTrains.net
> kinesis@...
>
>
>
>
>
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Hello Tara,

   To add to what Tom Myers wrote, the Structural Integration Method of
Connective Tissue Manipulation (Fascia manipulation) is a whole body fascial
lengthening system that works in a particular order or sequence of muscles in
muscles groups so that the different areas of the structure release their own
tightness pulls on other areas, and in the head's case, for instance, the legs,
thighs, pelvis, abdomen and chest, even the arms and back, accumulate shortness
in their muscle groups, even through birth and early childhood, and that keeps
various areas of the head muscle bone system short, and held tight.  If these
are tight, an attempt to just push on the head structure first can meet with the
re-tightening that you might have been noticing - the other parts keep pulling
the local part back into the shortness of the entire system.  This sequence to
finally work deep in the head could be called a preparation for this deep head
pushing to release into the wider and longer
  fascia system of the entire rest of the body.

For instance, tight deep hamstrings will preven a lot of the jaw from releasing
and alsokeep the lower back and the neck tight, as well as even keep the feet
and ankles toght and the abdomen pulled downward.

   There is a free description of the muscle groups and formal recipe steps - in
general - on the Hellerwork website - in the Client's Handbook section.  I also
have a description of the steps in another kind of description - I will send it
if you are interested - just email me personally on mhy own
louisryoshin@...

A little more on lengthening, which you probably know, but I'd like to add some
logical explanation of how shortness in one area affects other areast :  As you
know, between each bone is a tendon-muscle body- tendon length of softer tissue.
Sometimes a number of these lengths.  The muscle body is made of manhy long thin
muscle fibers connected to manyh nerve signals eachm, in their manhy muscle
fiber segments - or sections -and this is what moves the muscle in our dynamic
bending and straightening of joints, and even moving some of the joints in the
head.  To hold all these muscle fibers together and provide space for blood,
lymph, nerve and other elements to make the muscle function, there is the
putty-like fluid with a lot of tiny collagenand elastin protein fibers in them. 
And of course,  it turns out that this body of the muscle, held in a shape by
the filler areas and wrappings of this fascia - is the part that shortens from
physical and athletic muscle activity,
  from muscular emotional tension, and from pushes and pulls on the body shape,
as from the birth experience and falls, blows, etc.

So the lengths of all these tendon-muscle body-tendon "pieces" that connect all
our bines together, from head to toe to fingers, gets short - all over.  And
when something inbetween the bones in the thigh and pelvis, for instance, are
shortened in the fascia, then the prlvic bines will be pulled out of alignment
and probably down, and tilting the pelvis, and that will pull on the abdominal
and back muscles, so that the ribs and vertebrae, for instance, are pulled down
and at an angle, then the neck and head will be pulled as well, and that jams
the head and keeps it bunched up just as the original birth pushing on the
fascia of the muscles, and pushing the bones around, would have done.

   That is a basic explanation of why we are taught how to lengthen everything as
a whole body structural system.  In fact, as more and more of the muscle system
is lengthened, that is, the fascia of the muscles and the areas over the whole
body parts, then the rest of the body will tend to atay more in the longer
length, and this is especially true, I have found, twhen the major
tightnesses=shortnesses have been lengthened, as in your son's case.

It is definitely OK to modify the sequence in certain ways - if a practitioner
is clear of what the method is supposed to be doing and understands how the
steps link together and help each other lengthen.  I often have lengthened the
entire head - on the outside muscles - and the neck, back, upper chest and arms,
in a big set of muscle groups - as a first step to remove the tightness that
almost everyone seems to get in these areas.  But I found it is much safer, and
it turns out to be easier and much more thorough in lengthening - the inner part
of the head structure only after the rest of the entire body is made much longer
- as even the jaw will not release much if the hamstrings are short, and they
are made short by the entire body imbalance and interconnected shortness of
manhy muscles in their fascia, like the adductors, calves, shins, abdominals,
back, even chest.  In fact, after the various main areas are lengthened in steps
1-7 of the basic 10 step recipe,
  including the head in step 7, then the legs, thighs, pelvis and so forth, and
torso, can release and lengthen when those areas are again manipulated.

So there is good reason why the local manipulatoin of the head has helped yhour
son, and also why the initial attempts to lengthen the local area would then be
pulled back into the shorter form of the entire body shape.  It is also somewhat
common for the release of the head to relax the spine and even enable the lower
part of the back to lengthen and loosen.

There are other websites of Structural Integration Practitioners that list the
steps of the system briefly, and other schools besides Hellerwork that also
teach the same basic steps for the same overall system lengthening,

To answer your question about finding the best way to open the head, if I were
searching, knowing what I know, I would find a Structural Integration
Practitioner whose work feels comfortable, who can lengthen deeply in the legs
and abdominals, and the muscles between the ribs, and knows how to at least
lengthen the head on the outside and then in general on the inside - but with
some knowledge there, about the condition your son has.  I emphasize the
lengthening of the entire body system - even to the outside of the head
somewhat, because, as I said, the rest of the body being lengthened, and the
muscle groups being organized as a whole system the way it was found to work
best, - releases those other many tight pulls.

And then I would find an expert on the correction of the shape of the head - as
you seem to have found with these DO and DC practitioners, and see how working
with both in an intelligent wahy, of knowing what helps what else, goes.  I know
that in my own work, even ordinary chiropractic adjustments have enabled the
person's muscle system to release better when I manipulated the fascia of the
muscle bodies, and the chiropractor could get more vertebrae in, easier, and
more comfortably, after my own fascial lengthenings.

I am also a big advocte of effective stretching of the whole body in a way that
simulates the hands-on method, because more length and interconnected
organization can be created with this on conjunction with the hands-on.

So that's my own 2 cents worth based on my 24 years experience, However  Tom
Myers is very experienced and as he wrotem familiar with other kinds of body
manipulation therapies, more than I in these methods you have been doing.  So I
have just added some explanation of what he might have meant by preparation for
deep work in the head structure and so forth.  Perhaps it helps your
understanding.

My own website has a number of explanatory articles about shortness in the
fascia and theStructural Integration system that can give you more information,
and maybe help you better understand different treatments, what they do and why
some have been more successful than others for you folks.
http:://www.backfxbodywork.com

  If you do look there, I can recommend the Free Articles Page and the BodyMind
section articles as well, specifically the Psychological and Stress Removal
Benefits of The Bodywork Itself article.  Most likely, your son absorbed some
amount of emotional trauma or charge, from you and the delivery staff, as well
as his own tightness, and then the physical pressures he absorbed.  Probably you
already done manipulations have pushed a lot of this energy out, especially the
energies that got embedded in the collagen fibers of the muscles in the head.

Best - Lou Gross




tarakduvall <TaraKDuvall@...> wrote:
           Hi Tom,
Thanks so much for the reply. I appreciate it. What type of
practitioner are you?
We originally started out with Osteopathic Manipulative Treatment
(OMT). The DO had about 7 years doing OMT under her belt. She was
extremely knowledgeable and confident. Her goal from day one, was
not to attempt to shift around cranial bones, but to get the
cerebral spinal fluid flowing at a better rhythm on the left side of
his head (flattened side). She could not "feel" a healthy flow on
that side. She went into his mouth and adjusted his jaw for the
asymmetry. At first, the results were remarkable! But then,
slowly, over about the course 2 weeks, they went back to their
familiar asymmetric pattern. The same thing goes for the muscle
spasm on his right shoulder. It would get better when she would
treat him, but them it would come back. Since NCR, when we started
in August, the spasm and jaw asymmetry have resolved--- Really, to
my amazement. I was quite skeptical at first. The NCR doc. that we
see is also a chiropractor and has been doing both since 1966 when
it was still considered "endo-nasal".
My son responds well to the treatment, (hard to believe, I know). I
had it done too one time, so I know how it feels. He says that he
likes the way it feels, except for one time. I believe it was the
first time when he was reaching the deeper left part of the
sphenoid, I guess. He seems energized, happy, but not real hungry
right away. Those are the only things we see. The first time, he
had mild jaw pain on the left side (I believe that is when the major
movement came with the jaw). Since then, no afterpains.
His history is this: Born via vacuum extraction with large head
circuference (he was too big for me). Extreme colic for 4 months.
Favored left side to sleep despite my constant effort to repostion
him. Head became FLAT. Doc. said it would round out on its own.
ITS A LIE, BY THE WAY. He need cranial work then, but I knew
nothing about that stuff and didn't even own a computer. At age 4,
he really started losing baby fat and slimming out. I noticed that
his clavicle was offset and protruding. His posture was suffering
and hew as holding his neck to one side. Lots of postural
compensation going on from what I believe now, was a birth injury.
His clavicle was either broken, fractured or dislocated at birth.
We started seeing a chiro. His postural analysis witht he Posture
Pro- V went from a posture score of 15 to a score of 5 in one year
and 4 months. The sway back has improved immensely.
A two year old had astounding result with NCR with flattening of the
back of his head. We have seen some results...small but, we feel
like we see them. As a mom, I'm trying to look ahead to when he is
a teenager, you know, the self-esteem aspect. I'm thinking that at
this point, he still has some growing to do and it still may change
a little more. Do you think?
So, you feel that an experienced DO, doing OMT is the best cranial
work out there? I'm interested in opinions on what is THE BEST
cranial work.
Can I email you a before and after bird's eye view of his head
shape. It would be nice to have an outside, unbiased opinion.
Thanks.
Any other opinions or stories are welcome concerning Neuro Cranial
Restructuring and how it would positively or negatively treat
plagiocepahly

Tara

--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Myers
<kinesis@...> wrote:
>
> Tara
>
> NCR (blowing up finger cots in the three nasal passages to open
the
> conchae and 'reset' the sphenoid) can have either good or
deleterious
> effects, depending on the circumstances.
>
> (Now, you're talking to a group of people who regularly stick
their
> fingers up peoples' noses, so I guess we can't talk much, hunh?)
>
> Here's the difference: we do it after a number of sessions to
prepare
> the body, and specifically the neck, to receive the intracranial
> work. Secondly, it's very slow.
>
> NCR (I've studied it as well as had it done) is a chiropractic
> adjustment for the viscerocranium (face bones) that can reach up
to
> the ethmoid and spenoid sometimes. The great advantage is that
you
> can get to all 6 nasal passages whereas the rolfing finger in the
> nose move can only get to two, really. The disadvantage of NCR
is
> that a sudden move is being made inside a relatively solid
structure,
> and like most earthquakes, you don't really know where the forces
are
> going to end up, or what the results would be.
>
> For the birthing trauma you describe, I would go back to cranial
> OMM. With all respect, if you have six months of treatment in
this
> vein without result, I would suggest gently that you try a
different
> practitioner, preferably a D.O., and hopefully one with lots of
> experience treating children for this kind of trauma.
>
> Even if you decide to go back to NCR afterward, you will get much
> better results if the body and head have been prepared first.
Based
> on the limited information your post gives, I am led toward the
> conclusion that whoever you were using for CST was not such an
> experienced practitioner - a 6-year old should respond readily to
> competent osteopathic treatment in this regard. A great deal can
be
> reached untraumatically through the palate, and of course via the
> cranial rhythms in the neruocranium (upper skull bones).
>
> Or, if I am wrong and you really had a skilled DO working on this
for
> 6 months, then the trauma is set in very deeply, may be something
> your son has to live with. This speaks against, rather than for,
> doing these sudden manipulations from the middle out.
>
> All that said, he's your son (what does he say, by the way?), so
if
> you see an improvement, perhaps NCR is what's working in his
case.
> All the foregoing is just a reaction from an opinionated person.
I
> would be uninclined to submit my 6-year old to the pain I had in
> doing this treatment until I had exhausted all other avenues.
>
> Thanks for listening
> Tom Myers
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2007, at 6:56 PM, tarakduvall wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am currently doing Neuro Cranial Restructuring for my 6 year
old
> > son with mild-mod. flattening of the side/back of his head. He
had
> > a truamatic delievery, born via vacuum extraction. Long story....
> > He has been undergoing chiropractic care for the past year and a
> > half and has had great improvment with his posture.
> > We believe that we have seen some change of the shape of his heas
> > since doing NCR. His jaw asymmetry improved for sure.
> > BUT--- I would really like to hear some other opinions and
personal
> > experiences concerning this technique.
> > If you know what NCR is, do you believe that the sphenoid bone
can
> > really be adjusted/moved?
> > We are getting ready to do series 4 in a few weeks.
> > I would really love to hear comments from other therapists.
> > By the way, we also tried OMT/CST for 7 months and didn't really
get
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tara
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thomas Myers
> 318 Clarks Cove Rd
> Walpole ME 04573 USA
> www.AnatomyTrains.net
> kinesis@...
>
>
>
>
>
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>





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Hi Tom,
Thanks so much for the reply.  I appreciate it.  What type of
practitioner are you?
We originally started out with Osteopathic Manipulative Treatment
(OMT).  The DO had about 7 years doing OMT under her belt.  She was
extremely knowledgeable and confident.  Her goal from day one, was
not to attempt to shift around cranial bones, but to get the
cerebral spinal fluid flowing at a better rhythm on the left side of
his head (flattened side).  She could not "feel" a healthy flow on
that side.  She went into his mouth and adjusted his jaw for the
asymmetry.  At first, the results were remarkable!  But then,
slowly, over about the course 2 weeks, they went back to their
familiar asymmetric pattern.  The same thing goes for the muscle
spasm on his right shoulder.  It would get better when she would
treat him, but them it would come back.  Since NCR, when we started
in August, the spasm and jaw asymmetry have resolved--- Really, to
my amazement.  I was quite skeptical at first.  The NCR doc. that we
see is also a chiropractor and has been doing both since 1966 when
it was still considered "endo-nasal".
My son responds well to the treatment, (hard to believe, I know).  I
had it done too one time, so I know how it feels.  He says that he
likes the way it feels, except for one time.  I believe it was the
first time when he was reaching the deeper left part of the
sphenoid, I guess.  He seems energized, happy, but not real hungry
right away.  Those are the only things we see.  The first time, he
had mild jaw pain on the left side (I believe that is when the major
movement came with the jaw).  Since then, no afterpains.
His history is this: Born via vacuum extraction with large head
circuference (he was too big for me).  Extreme colic for 4 months.
Favored left side to sleep despite my constant effort to repostion
him.  Head became FLAT.  Doc. said it would round out on its own.
ITS A LIE, BY THE WAY.  He need cranial work then, but I knew
nothing about that stuff and didn't even own a computer.  At age 4,
he really started losing baby fat and slimming out.  I noticed that
his clavicle was offset and protruding. His posture was suffering
and hew as holding his neck to one side.  Lots of postural
compensation going on from what I believe now, was a birth injury.
His clavicle was either broken, fractured or dislocated at birth.
We started seeing a chiro.  His postural analysis witht he Posture
Pro- V went from a posture score of 15 to a score of 5 in one year
and 4 months.  The sway back has improved immensely.
A two year old had astounding result with NCR with flattening of the
back of his head.  We have seen some results...small but, we feel
like we see them.  As a mom, I'm trying to look ahead to when he is
a teenager, you know, the self-esteem aspect.  I'm thinking that at
this point, he still has some growing to do and it still may change
a little more.  Do you think?
So, you feel that an experienced DO, doing OMT is the best cranial
work out there?  I'm interested in opinions on what is THE BEST
cranial work.
Can I email you a before and after bird's eye view of his head
shape.  It would be nice to have an outside, unbiased opinion.
Thanks.
Any other opinions or stories are welcome concerning Neuro Cranial
Restructuring and how it would positively or negatively treat
plagiocepahly

Tara


--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Myers
<kinesis@...> wrote:
>
> Tara
>
> NCR (blowing up finger cots in the three nasal passages to open
the
> conchae and 'reset' the sphenoid) can have either good or
deleterious
> effects, depending on the circumstances.
>
> (Now, you're talking to a group of people who regularly stick
their
> fingers up peoples' noses, so I guess we can't talk much, hunh?)
>
> Here's the difference: we do it after a number of sessions to
prepare
> the body, and specifically the neck, to receive the intracranial
> work.  Secondly, it's very slow.
>
> NCR (I've studied it as well as had it done) is a chiropractic
> adjustment for the viscerocranium (face bones) that can reach up
to
> the ethmoid and spenoid sometimes.  The great advantage is that
you
> can get to all 6 nasal passages whereas the rolfing finger in the
> nose move can only get to two, really.  The disadvantage of NCR
is
> that a sudden move is being made inside a relatively solid
structure,
> and like most earthquakes, you don't really know where the forces
are
> going to end up, or what the results would be.
>
> For the birthing trauma you describe, I would go back to cranial
> OMM.  With all respect, if you have six months of treatment in
this
> vein without result, I would suggest gently that you try a
different
> practitioner, preferably a D.O., and hopefully one with lots of
> experience treating children for this kind of trauma.
>
> Even if you decide to go back to NCR afterward, you will get much
> better results if the body and head have been prepared first.
Based
> on the limited information your post gives, I am led toward the
> conclusion that whoever you were using for CST was not such an
> experienced practitioner - a 6-year old should respond readily to
> competent osteopathic treatment in this regard.  A great deal can
be
> reached untraumatically through the palate, and of course via the
> cranial rhythms in the neruocranium (upper skull bones).
>
> Or, if I am wrong and you really had a skilled DO working on this
for
> 6 months, then the trauma is set in very deeply, may be something
> your son has to live with.  This speaks against, rather than for,
> doing these sudden manipulations from the middle out.
>
> All that said, he's your son (what does he say, by the way?), so
if
> you see an improvement, perhaps NCR is what's working in his
case.
> All the foregoing is just a reaction from an opinionated person.
I
> would be uninclined to submit my 6-year old to the pain I had in
> doing this treatment until I had exhausted all other avenues.
>
> Thanks for listening
> Tom Myers
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2007, at 6:56 PM, tarakduvall wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am currently doing Neuro Cranial Restructuring for my 6 year
old
> > son with mild-mod. flattening of the side/back of his head. He
had
> > a truamatic delievery, born via vacuum extraction. Long story....
> > He has been undergoing chiropractic care for the past year and a
> > half and has had great improvment with his posture.
> > We believe that we have seen some change of the shape of his heas
> > since doing NCR. His jaw asymmetry improved for sure.
> > BUT--- I would really like to hear some other opinions and
personal
> > experiences concerning this technique.
> > If you know what NCR is, do you believe that the sphenoid bone
can
> > really be adjusted/moved?
> > We are getting ready to do series 4 in a few weeks.
> > I would really love to hear comments from other therapists.
> > By the way, we also tried OMT/CST for 7 months and didn't really
get
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tara
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thomas Myers
> 318 Clarks Cove Rd
> Walpole ME 04573 USA
> www.AnatomyTrains.net
> kinesis@...
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Tara

NCR (blowing up finger cots in the three nasal passages to open the
conchae and 'reset' the sphenoid) can have either good or deleterious
effects, depending on the circumstances.

(Now, you're talking to a group of people who regularly stick their
fingers up peoples' noses, so I guess we can't talk much, hunh?)

Here's the difference: we do it after a number of sessions to prepare
the body, and specifically the neck, to receive the intracranial
work.  Secondly, it's very slow.

NCR (I've studied it as well as had it done) is a chiropractic
adjustment for the viscerocranium (face bones) that can reach up to
the ethmoid and spenoid sometimes.  The great advantage is that you
can get to all 6 nasal passages whereas the rolfing finger in the
nose move can only get to two, really.  The disadvantage of NCR is
that a sudden move is being made inside a relatively solid structure,
and like most earthquakes, you don't really know where the forces are
going to end up, or what the results would be.

For the birthing trauma you describe, I would go back to cranial
OMM.  With all respect, if you have six months of treatment in this
vein without result, I would suggest gently that you try a different
practitioner, preferably a D.O., and hopefully one with lots of
experience treating children for this kind of trauma.

Even if you decide to go back to NCR afterward, you will get much
better results if the body and head have been prepared first.  Based
on the limited information your post gives, I am led toward the
conclusion that whoever you were using for CST was not such an
experienced practitioner - a 6-year old should respond readily to
competent osteopathic treatment in this regard.  A great deal can be
reached untraumatically through the palate, and of course via the
cranial rhythms in the neruocranium (upper skull bones).

Or, if I am wrong and you really had a skilled DO working on this for
6 months, then the trauma is set in very deeply, may be something
your son has to live with.  This speaks against, rather than for,
doing these sudden manipulations from the middle out.

All that said, he's your son (what does he say, by the way?), so if
you see an improvement, perhaps NCR is what's working in his case.
All the foregoing is just a reaction from an opinionated person.  I
would be uninclined to submit my 6-year old to the pain I had in
doing this treatment until I had exhausted all other avenues.

Thanks for listening
Tom Myers


On Jan 6, 2007, at 6:56 PM, tarakduvall wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am currently doing Neuro Cranial Restructuring for my 6 year old
> son with mild-mod. flattening of the side/back of his head. He had
> a truamatic delievery, born via vacuum extraction. Long story....
> He has been undergoing chiropractic care for the past year and a
> half and has had great improvment with his posture.
> We believe that we have seen some change of the shape of his heas
> since doing NCR. His jaw asymmetry improved for sure.
> BUT--- I would really like to hear some other opinions and personal
> experiences concerning this technique.
> If you know what NCR is, do you believe that the sphenoid bone can
> really be adjusted/moved?
> We are getting ready to do series 4 in a few weeks.
> I would really love to hear comments from other therapists.
> By the way, we also tried OMT/CST for 7 months and didn't really get
> anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tara
>
>
>

Thomas Myers
318 Clarks Cove Rd
Walpole ME 04573 USA
www.AnatomyTrains.net
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