(1) Do you work out of your home? no

(2) Are you in an office by yourself? no

(3) Who, if anyone, do you share office space with? another Hellerworker, and a
chiropractor

(4) Do you practice in a multi-discipline clinic? Like with a D.C., R.P.T
or M.D./D.O. yes

(4A) Do you pay rent or a percentage or a combination?  mortgage

(4B) Are you responsible for generating your own clients?  yes

(5) What do you do to generate clients?  word of mouth, invitation

(6) Would you be willing to be interviewed?  yes

(7) How long have you been in practice? since 2000

(8) Are you satisfied with your current level of progress in growing your
practice?  yes

Thank you very, very much. Please include a phone number if you are willing
to be interviewed.  530-926-2500 - Kathleen

With love and appreciation,

Jim Dohn

Breathing, movement, water
And a future of unbounded prosperity,
Happiness and relationship. .........

Feel better already?
(562) 438 9136

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Hello All,

   Adding to Dr. Doh's very informative email - thanks, Jim, from me personally
about this info. Athletics has been an interest of mine.

Please allow me  to add to this about athletes.

In the early 1990's I worked on many levels of athletes and coaches, from
Olympic and College on down, even with many 10K runners.  I even worked in two
college training rooms.   Some SI practitioners might be surprised to know, as I
was then, that even people at these levels, and their sports medicine systems,
do not know about "massive" fascial lengthening on purpose, about interconnected
muscles lines and systemic alignment.

A lot of what people are knowledgeable of is what I call neuro-muscular oriented
and they work to prevent and repair injuries.  But the lengthening aspect of
fascial shortness is not well known.  Even an ultra marathoner - college track
coach did not know his low back pain was from significant fascial bunchup in the
legs, as he was still fast with a lot of joint flexibility.

In the past few years I have also been coaching on the phone and thru my DVD's,
to people at distances, (as I always did in sessions) how to stretch and do
hands-on some for oneself, to lengthen the fascia and do interconnected muscle
lengthening and to help overall alignment.  While many more top and recreational
athletes have gotten SI in the past 15 years,these principles of how to create
length are still relatively unheard of.

Even athletic people and yoga practitioners who stretch sincerely do not yet
know about these things and see when they do them, the benefits are obvious, of
spreading collagen fibers in section by section as we do with hands-on, with the
interconnected muscle approach.  And many people even in athletcs do not stretch
at all or not nearly enough. You may know, a lot of people like to bulk up, and
while they teach some stretching features in some bodybuilding, it is obviously
not enough and may people do not watch the TV show nor read the magazines.

And the people whodo try to stretch often do not know the better ways to
lengthen their facial bunch up.  As you know, they don't even know this is the
problem because no one told them about the fasia at all, no less that it changes
shape and gets shorter and shorter.  And a number of other kinds of
practitioners aim for the psoas alone for leg and lower back problems when
obviously, the systemic tightness is all over fascia.

   As in this OSD knee issue,  Lengthening hamstrings and quads for the knee
issue is helpful and obvious.  Yet from step 4 we know the adductoirs affect
both the hamstrings and quads, and we know that the upper body affects the legs
as well as the lower legs affecting the thighs.  etc.

   Anyone who wants to read a few page article about stretching shortcomings how
people tend to do them and how to do it better, and also a longer article about
how tightness caused pains and overall acuumulated shortness responds better to
the SI approach, than the more usual therapies and rest, and how the SI approach
helps the neuromuscualr approaches do more, let me know by personal email and
I'll send you my website URL - you can even dowload PDF copies for free..

   Lou Gross




DoctorDohn@... wrote:
           In a message dated 10/30/2006 9:34:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
msberger@... writes:
Osgood Schlatter Disease

It is not really a "disease" but an overuse condition that effects young
people whose boney end plates have not completely formed. It is literally a
pulling away of the Patellar tendon from the Tibia and in some cases the Tibia
itself pulls away from itself. Tape, an ace bandage and rest are the most common
treatments....the Ten Series should be a good idea to relieve pressure from
the knee joint......and some looking if he walks and runs more on his toes than
most folks.....some movement education would not hurt.
What Is Osgood-Schlatter Disease?
In 1903, two doctors, Dr. Robert Osgood and Dr. Carl Schlatter, first
described OSD after recognizing a pattern of symptoms in their patients. The
doctors
found that OSD was a growth-related problem seen mostly in young, athletic
guys.
Osgood-Schlatter disease is a condition that is an overuse injury of the
knee. Frequent use and physical stress cause inflammation (pain and swelling) at
the point where the tendon from the kneecap (called the patella) attaches to
the shinbone (tibia).
Because the area is stressed by frequent use, it often leads to inflammation
or even a tiny fracture of the shin bone. The pain usually worsens with
exercise, jumping, and sports such as basketball, volleyball, soccer, figure
skating, and gymnastics. In a small percentage of people, both knees are
affected.
The condition affects guys more than girls, especially those who are active
in sports involving deep knee bends, jumping, and running. But OSD affects
girls, too, and the number of girls with OSD has increased since more and more
girls participate in competitive sports.
The symptoms of OSD include:
pain, swelling, or tenderness below the knee and over the shinbone
pain that becomes worse during activities such as running and jumping
limping after physical activity
relief during periods of rest
It's important to realize that you can experience very different symptoms,
depending on the severity of the condition. For example, you may feel mild knee
pain only when you play sports, or you may feel constant pain that makes
playing any sport difficult or impossible.
What Do Doctors Do?
He or she will also examine your knee carefully and may take an X-ray to help
find the cause of your pain. In addition to doing a physical examination, the
doctor will ask you about any concerns and symptoms you have, your past
health, your family's health, any medications you're taking, any allergies you
may
have, and other issues. This is called the medical history.
Doctors sometimes recommend that you stop playing all sports and activities
until your pain goes away, and most cases of OSD improve once the knee has had
a rest. If your pain is very mild, you might be able to continue some
participation in your favorite sport. But if your pain is more severe, the
doctor may
direct you to take a longer break from all physical activities.
Ask your doctor about stretching exercises that can help relieve some of the
pain while keeping the area strong and toned. These exercises often include a
quadriceps and hamstring stretch.
Icing the affected area can also help to relieve pain and swelling. Your
doctor may also prescribe anti-inflammatory medications to treat the pain.
Keep in mind that the hardest-working, most competitive athletes are the ones
most likely to be affected by OSD - and they're also the least likely to take
time off to get better. Fortunately, OSD often goes away on its own, usually
after the growth spurt has ended. Only rare cases of OSD require crutches,
casts, or surgery.
Although no one likes to sit on the sidelines, it won't be long before you're
able to get back in and enjoy the game again!
Reviewed by: Peter G. Gabos, MD
Date reviewed: June 2004

Breathing, movement, water
And a future of unbounded prosperity,
Happiness and relationship..........

Feel better already?

(562) 438 9136

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In a message dated 10/30/2006 9:34:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
msberger@... writes:
Osgood Schlatter Disease

It is not really a "disease" but an overuse condition that effects young
people whose boney end plates have not completely formed.  It is literally a
pulling away of the Patellar tendon from the Tibia and in some cases the Tibia
itself pulls away from itself.   Tape, an ace bandage and rest are the most
common
treatments....the Ten Series should be a good idea to relieve pressure from
the knee joint......and some looking if he walks and runs more on his toes than
most folks.....some movement education would not hurt.
What Is Osgood-Schlatter Disease?
In 1903, two doctors, Dr. Robert Osgood and Dr. Carl Schlatter, first
described OSD after recognizing a pattern of symptoms in their patients. The
doctors
found that OSD was a growth-related problem seen mostly in young, athletic
guys.
Osgood-Schlatter disease is a condition that is an overuse injury of the
knee. Frequent use and physical stress cause inflammation (pain and swelling) at
the point where the tendon from the kneecap (called the patella) attaches to
the shinbone (tibia).
Because the area is stressed by frequent use, it often leads to inflammation
or even a tiny fracture of the shin bone. The pain usually worsens with
exercise, jumping, and sports such as basketball, volleyball, soccer, figure
skating, and gymnastics. In a small percentage of people, both knees are
affected.
The condition affects guys more than girls, especially those who are active
in sports involving deep knee bends, jumping, and running. But OSD affects
girls, too, and the number of girls with OSD has increased since more and more
girls participate in competitive sports.
The symptoms of OSD include:
pain, swelling, or tenderness below the knee and over the shinbone
pain that becomes worse during activities such as running and jumping
limping after physical activity
relief during periods of rest
It's important to realize that you can experience very different symptoms,
depending on the severity of the condition. For example, you may feel mild knee
pain only when you play sports, or you may feel constant pain that makes
playing any sport difficult or impossible.
What Do Doctors Do?
He or she will also examine your knee carefully and may take an X-ray to help
find the cause of your pain. In addition to doing a physical examination, the
doctor will ask you about any concerns and symptoms you have, your past
health, your family's health, any medications you're taking, any allergies you
may
have, and other issues. This is called the medical history.
Doctors sometimes recommend that you stop playing all sports and activities
until your pain goes away, and most cases of OSD improve once the knee has had
a rest. If your pain is very mild, you might be able to continue some
participation in your favorite sport. But if your pain is more severe, the
doctor may
direct you to take a longer break from all physical activities.
Ask your doctor about stretching exercises that can help relieve some of the
pain while keeping the area strong and toned. These exercises often include a
quadriceps and hamstring stretch.
Icing the affected area can also help to relieve pain and swelling. Your
doctor may also prescribe anti-inflammatory medications to treat the pain.
Keep in mind that the hardest-working, most competitive athletes are the ones
most likely to be affected by OSD - and they're also the least likely to take
time off to get better. Fortunately, OSD often goes away on its own, usually
after the growth spurt has ended. Only rare cases of OSD require crutches,
casts, or surgery.
Although no one likes to sit on the sidelines, it won't be long before you're
able to get back in and enjoy the game again!
Reviewed by: Peter G. Gabos, MD
Date reviewed: June 2004

Breathing, movement, water
And a future of unbounded prosperity,
Happiness and relationship..........

Feel better already?

(562) 438 9136


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Hi Mark,

IN general, if you can carefully do deeper work all over, the various causes of
the circumferential constrictions can be released further.

   Besides the obvious for the deeper leg structures, I have had good results
with side stretches to pull the illiacus under the illiac crest, alternating in
the session with the hands-on inside the crest - taking 40 mins to do just the
illiacus this way on a big athlete, and the thighs released from these pulls on
the top.  I also had good results working deeply thru the psoas and inner
abdomen all across and up and down, noit just a push and wiggle stroke.  Even
going underneath the abdominus rectus and also spreading the attachments of the
anterior spine.. Then the connections to the legs from above get further freed,
too, and the intercostals and diaphragm can be released deeper, easier.  Even
deeper head, and internal pelvis (if the people are amenable to this) can help.

There is obvioulsy some restriction in some body systems causing the energy to
go upand down versus also inner to outer.  Reichian and Bioenergetic practices
can shed some light on structure and bodymind psychology.  Alexander Lowen MD's
book Bioenergetics, is fairly short and delineates the "Character Types" and
where their blockages are in the structure as well as some child development
psychology in bodyworker terms.

   Along these lines, Specialized Kinesiology Three In One method routinely
releases old brain neuron patterns that were from both old forgotten decisions,
trauma and also motor nerve connections right to the actual muscles.

All of these things I have found help the SI fascial manipulations by loosening
the muscle tightnesses holding the system tight in a misaligned way.

  I would assume chiropractic investigation has been tried.  But if not, I found
that it,, including the applied kinesiology some chiropracors can do, helped the
muscles releae and the SI in the next session when farther, and the person's
muscles were very open to manipulation.

   I'd also look at organ tightnesses as an adult frind who's had a lot of SI and
other body therapies, found an osteopath who untwisted her liver and both she
and i noticed her structural, and emotional, muscle and tension relaxed greatly
within a few hours from this "inner" structural improvement.  Some SI
practitioners know how to do this for organs and people say it helps a lot of
things.

   Best
   Lou Gross



mark schollenberger <msberger@...> wrote:
           Hello everyone,

I have a 12 year boy, client, who was recently diagnosed with Osgood Schlatter
Disease(OSD). He went through the 10 series 4 years ago. At that time, he had
mild scoliosis and the 10 series pushed him through the scoliosis. His parents
say he has been going through a growth spurt these past few months and is now
quite tall, and thin, for his age . His legs are slightly bowed and ankles are
pronated. Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed with a young client with
OSD?

Thank-you,
Mark

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Hello everyone,

I have a 12 year boy, client, who was recently diagnosed with Osgood Schlatter
Disease(OSD).  He went through the 10 series 4 years ago.  At that time, he had
mild scoliosis and the 10 series pushed him through the scoliosis.  His parents
say he has been going through a growth spurt these past few months and is now
quite tall, and thin, for his age . His legs are slightly bowed and ankles are
pronated.   Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed with a young client
with OSD?

Thank-you,
Mark

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DoctorDohn@... wrote:          Dear Structural Integration Community,

I am doing a research project for an article for the IASI Journal, on the
various kinds of practice situations we get into.
I am respectully requesting that you answer following questions about
your practice.
Thank you. Some of you, if you are willing, I would like to call and
interview personally.
Let me know.

Jim Dohn

Questions:

(1) Do you work out of your home?  No

(2) Are you in an office by yourself?  Yes

(3) Who, if anyone, do you share office space with?

(4) Do you practice in a multi-discipline clinic? Like with a D.C., R.P.T
or M.D./D.O.  I am in a yoga studio with other massage therapists and reiki
practitioners.

(4A) Do you pay rent or a percentage or a combination?  Rent, flat rate

(4B) Are you responsible for generating your own clients?  Yes, but I get a lot
just by being visible in the yoga studio and having my brochures out.  Also the
yoga studio owner refers people to me.

(5) What do you do to generate clients?  Besides getting people through the yoga
studio, I belong to BNI (Business Networking International)  - my chapter has 30
people in it and we meet weekly to exchange referrals.  I also get about 5% of
my clients from my website.  Last year a rolfer in town and I were highlighted
in a Sunday article in the local newspaper and we EACH got about 35 new clients
in a matter of weeks.  People still call me up who saved the article from last
year.  I made color copies of it and I leave copies out at the yoga studio.  I
also give them to people I meet at Chamber of Commerce events, particularly the
Women's Forum.  No direct advertising, basically just word of mouth.

(6) Would you be willing to be interviewed?  Yes

(7) How long have you been in practice? 4 years next month

(8) Are you satisfied with your current level of progress in growing your
practice?  Yes I'm averaging around 20 per week.

Thank you very, very much. Please include a phone number if you are willing
to be interviewed.

With love and appreciation,

Jim Dohn

Breathing, movement, water
And a future of unbounded prosperity,
Happiness and relationship..........

Feel better already?
(562) 438 9136

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Carol Orrell, MS, LMT
Certified Practitioner, Structural Integration
www.manualtherapysolutions.com
Restoring flexibility, balance, and ease of movement
By appointment only 540-846-7653




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(1)    Do you work out of your home?
NO

(2)    Are you in an office by yourself?
NO

(3)    Who, if anyone, do you share office space with?
share office space with ND, and Reiki practitioner

(4)    Do you practice in a multi-discipline clinic?  Like with a
D.C., R.P.T  or M.D./D.O.
    Wellness Center
    1 ND
    1 ND,L.ac.
    1 DC
    yoga studio
    Pilates instructor

    (4A)    Do you pay rent or a percentage or a combination?
    Rent

    (4B)    Are you responsible for generating your own clients?
    Yes

(5)    What do you do to generate clients?
word of mouth

(6)    Would you be willing to be interviewed?
yes

(7)    How long have you been in practice?
LMT 4 years
SI  certified 18 months ago

(8)    Are you satisfied with your current level of progress in
growing your practice?
2004-2006 SI was secondary income and 25 to 30 sessions/month was ok
2007 -> SI is to be primary income and revenue may be a challenge.

Jim, feel free to contact me if you wish.

Fred Shipley
503-310-6765
www.cmmo.us
www.sachiwellness.com


--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, DoctorDohn@... wrote:
>
> Dear Structural Integration Community,
>
>     I am doing a research project for an article for the IASI
Journal, on the
> various kinds of practice situations we get into.
>     I am respectully requesting that you answer following questions
about
> your practice.
> Thank you.  Some of you, if you are willing, I would like to call
and
> interview personally.
> Let me know.
>
> Jim Dohn
>
> Questions:
>
> (1)    Do you work out of your home?
>
> (2)    Are you in an office by yourself?
>
> (3)    Who, if anyone, do you share office space with?
>
> (4)    Do you practice in a multi-discipline clinic?  Like with a
D.C., R.P.T
> or M.D./D.O.
>
>     (4A)    Do you pay rent or a percentage or a combination?
>
>     (4B)    Are you responsible for generating your own clients?
>
> (5)    What do you do to generate clients?
>
> (6)    Would you be willing to be interviewed?
>
> (7)    How long have you been in practice?
>
> (8)    Are you satisfied with your current level of progress in
growing your
> practice?
>
> Thank you very, very much.  Please include a phone number if you
are willing
> to be interviewed.
>
> With love and appreciation,
>
> Jim Dohn
>
>
> Breathing, movement, water
> And a future of unbounded prosperity,
> Happiness and relationship..........
>
> Feel better already?
> (562) 438 9136
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <DoctorDohn@...>
To: <Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com>;
<Structure_Integrator@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: [Structural_Integration] Survey Request


> Dear Structural Integration Community,
>
>    I am doing a research project for an article for the IASI Journal, on
> the
> various kinds of practice situations we get into.
>    I am respectully requesting that you answer following questions about
> your practice.
> Thank you.  Some of you, if you are willing, I would like to call and
> interview personally.
> Let me know.
>
> Jim Dohn
>
> Questions:
>
> (1)    Do you work out of your home?
No
>
> (2)    Are you in an office by yourself?
Yes
>
> (3)    Who, if anyone, do you share office space with?

>
> (4)    Do you practice in a multi-discipline clinic?  Like with a D.C.,
> R.P.T
> or M.D./D.O.
No, but I belong to a multi-disciplinary group that meets once a month to
talk about how different professions address a similar issue.

>    (4A)    Do you pay rent or a percentage or a combination?
  I pay rent.

>    (4B)    Are you responsible for generating your own clients?
Yes.
>
> (5)    What do you do to generate clients?
Yellow pages, word of mouth, listing on the RISI and IASI directories. Seems
like newspaper advertising was a waste of money.
>
> (6)    Would you be willing to be interviewed?
  Yes
> (7)    How long have you been in practice?
Since 1993
>
> (8)    Are you satisfied with your current level of progress in growing
> your
> practice?
Its up and down, but seems to match what I need for money in an up and down
manner, so I suppose Yes.
>
> Thank you very, very much.  Please include a phone number if you are
> willing
> to be interviewed.
406-721-3000 x1210
Marilyn Beech
>
> With love and appreciation,
>
> Jim Dohn
>
>
> Breathing, movement, water
> And a future of unbounded prosperity,
> Happiness and relationship..........
>
> Feel better already?
> (562) 438 9136
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

ok, let's try this again....
1. No I do not work out of my home
2. I have my own space in a building
3. The building has a MT, psycotherapist [2], and a computer guy
4. As above
5. I pay rent
6. Yes
7. I have been certified in SI since '99' and started in massage in '94'
8. I am overall satisfied, but feel that there is no reason not to
grow the practice.

I sent the phone number in the last message [843-216-7083]

Aimee Ratner
Certified KMI Practitioner
On Oct 28, 2006, at 2:01 PM, DoctorDohn@... wrote:

> Dear Structural Integration Community,
>
> I am doing a research project for an article for the IASI Journal,
> on the
> various kinds of practice situations we get into.
> I am respectully requesting that you answer following questions about
> your practice.
> Thank you. Some of you, if you are willing, I would like to call and
> interview personally.
> Let me know.
>
> Jim Dohn
>
> Questions:
>
> (1) Do you work out of your home?

>
> (2) Are you in an office by yourself?
>
> (3) Who, if anyone, do you share office space with?
>
> (4) Do you practice in a multi-discipline clinic? Like with a D.C.,
> R.P.T
> or M.D./D.O.
>
> (4A) Do you pay rent or a percentage or a combination?
>
> (4B) Are you responsible for generating your own clients?
>
> (5) What do you do to generate clients?
>
> (6) Would you be willing to be interviewed?
>
> (7) How long have you been in practice?
>
> (8) Are you satisfied with your current level of progress in
> growing your
> practice?
>
> Thank you very, very much. Please include a phone number if you are
> willing
> to be interviewed.
>
> With love and appreciation,
>
> Jim Dohn
>
> Breathing, movement, water
> And a future of unbounded prosperity,
> Happiness and relationship..........
>
> Feel better already?
> (562) 438 9136
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am willing.
My number is 843-216-7083
answers to follow
On Oct 28, 2006, at 2:01 PM, DoctorDohn@... wrote:

> Dear Structural Integration Community,
>
> I am doing a research project for an article for the IASI Journal,
> on the
> various kinds of practice situations we get into.
> I am respectully requesting that you answer following questions about
> your practice.
> Thank you. Some of you, if you are willing, I would like to call and
> interview personally.
> Let me know.
>
> Jim Dohn
>
> Questions:
>
> (1) Do you work out of your home?
>
> (2) Are you in an office by yourself?
>
> (3) Who, if anyone, do you share office space with?
>
> (4) Do you practice in a multi-discipline clinic? Like with a D.C.,
> R.P.T
> or M.D./D.O.
>
> (4A) Do you pay rent or a percentage or a combination?
>
> (4B) Are you responsible for generating your own clients?
>
> (5) What do you do to generate clients?
>
> (6) Would you be willing to be interviewed?
>
> (7) How long have you been in practice?
>
> (8) Are you satisfied with your current level of progress in
> growing your
> practice?
>
> Thank you very, very much. Please include a phone number if you are
> willing
> to be interviewed.
>
> With love and appreciation,
>
> Jim Dohn
>
> Breathing, movement, water
> And a future of unbounded prosperity,
> Happiness and relationship..........
>
> Feel better already?
> (562) 438 9136
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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Dear Structural Integration Community,

     I am doing a research project for an article for the IASI Journal, on the
various kinds of practice situations we get into.
     I am respectully requesting that you answer following questions about
your practice.
Thank you.  Some of you, if you are willing, I would like to call and
interview personally.
Let me know.

Jim Dohn

Questions:

(1)    Do you work out of your home?

(2)    Are you in an office by yourself?

(3)    Who, if anyone, do you share office space with?

(4)    Do you practice in a multi-discipline clinic?  Like with a D.C., R.P.T
or M.D./D.O.

     (4A)    Do you pay rent or a percentage or a combination?

     (4B)    Are you responsible for generating your own clients?

(5)    What do you do to generate clients?

(6)    Would you be willing to be interviewed?

(7)    How long have you been in practice?

(8)    Are you satisfied with your current level of progress in growing your
practice?

Thank you very, very much.  Please include a phone number if you are willing
to be interviewed.

With love and appreciation,

Jim Dohn


Breathing, movement, water
And a future of unbounded prosperity,
Happiness and relationship..........

Feel better already?
(562) 438 9136


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Hello Everyone:

I have just relocated to San Francisco & currently expect to be here
for at least the next several months.  If you know of something
interesting going on in the Bay Area, kindly weave me in!

During my time here I will be available for interesting rolf-related
activities such as:

--Session(s) on my computer-designed, curved surface treatment
table:   Experience escape from flatland!   Discover the modern
bodyworker's anvil.  Explore multiple positioning strategies using
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Hi all,

   If you have cleared up the skull tightness going all the way down the
structure into both adductor and hamstring parts of the leg, then there are a
few  other orientations.

   This is all not exactly the 10 step sequence of SI in how it moves fascia, 
but it covers neuro-muscular and other related influences that directly affect
the eye.

One is the release therapy, etc, kind of thing that finds out the circumstantial
cause, even what the person did not want to see, etc, and that can all help,
incl going back to clear prenatal, birth and so called past life energy stacks
in the same matrix.  Tghis clearing of significant embedded energies that affect
musculature often allows a person to access the more structural components - we
can all see it more readily, as well as some muscular pulling, especially from
the specific incident when it occurred, can help.

   A second - and this is not in any heirarchal order, is to do deeper, advanced
head work, that moves more skull bones.

   A third, which I would suspect and so would anyone else, is a neurological
issue of either deficiency or gating of nerve patterns.  The second one above
can help with the gating but even more so, I think specialized kinesiology -
with the system called 3 in 1, could be of great help as they actually repattern
the brain neurons.  They even have a bunper sticker that reads Changing the
World, One Brain at a Time.  For me, and some clients, I found that aftyer a lot
of SI and then even deeper changes thru my yoga, I got very big releases in
muscle tightnesses thru the brain repatterning, even from a decision I had made
10 years earlier.  I felt energy release from my body, I would always get deeply
relaxed, and in the few cases of more recent issues, the blocks to my successful
behavior went away, incl the 10 year old trauma.

   In fact, I have an article on my website about the benefits for SK after
having SI and also how the direct trauma into the body requires more like SI and
other methods as the decisions were not made in the brain.

   Here I would suspect there is nerve involvement.

   Their natiional organization is ASKUS, Asso of Specialized kinesiologists of
the U S.  A woman named Sherry Balcar, who used to be in Virginia Beach, VA, 
She used to be on the Natl Board of Directors and her tel number may be avvail
on line or in phone books.  Her partner (husband by now?) is also an SK expert. 
She was working on a do it yourself kit - but there is so much to it that a
practitioner could be better by far.

   Some chiropractoirs can do Applied Kinesiloghy in a sophisticated way that
identifies the muscles involved and even the past energy packets can be released
aftyer SI opens the fascia.

   Finally I would look into an analysys by a good Chinese medicine doctor as the
Liver organ system is always involved with the eyes (and the muscles and
tendons, too).  I knew an acupuncturist in Boca Raton who worked on eyesight
with acupuncure, successfully he told me.  Of course that was something
different than this but I am offer all the things I would look into.

   If nerve damage at the time, maybe from latent trauma even at birth (which is
also what releasing helps to find because it can easily get back tht far, and
farther, even into the prenatal.  So if all the analysis is done also nurtition
can help top strengthen the particular muscles.  Bates Method and other Vision
exercises courses, some Opthamologists even do a program as well as on line and
on TV ads.

   I would think that besides a fascial-neuro-muscular pulling therewould be the
nerve issue and anything to strengthen the eye and its related body functions
could help.  Especially because of the dimness of vision.

   Raw Dark Green Organically Grown leafy veg's, the darker the better helps the
liver, as does wheatgrass and chlorella (but not as a substitute for the
greens.)  An acupuincturist homeopath told me that years ago and it has always
been true for me.
Eyebright herb is good and so is Dr. Christopher's herbal eyebright - The Herb
Shop[ or Shristopher's Herb Shop on line in google - they can give you the name
of Dr David Christopher, son of the late John Christopher and get a free mini
cionsult on what they have seen for the past 30 years.  Richard Schulze 
herbdoc.com has info on using cayene for the eye circulation and he is an expert
in that area.  Ann Wigmore centers and her books teach how to do it in the eye
with wheatgrass juice.  It, too, helps.

   Best - Lou Gross

           am•bly•o•pi•a
n. Dimness of vision, especially when occurring in one eye without
apparent physical defect or disease. Also called lazy eye

I have a client with such and eye and at times it wanders of to the
side. This gentleman is in his early 60's and has had this since
childhood. He believes that this condition developed in his childhood
and is somehow related to something that isn't functioning on the
other side of his body though he has no clue what that would be… His
wandering eye is the left one. Has anyone come across this
phenomenon? And has anyone come across a structural connection to the
eye into any other areas of the head/neck, body?

Ron






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Hi Michael,

     I had Amblyopia or lazy eye as did my Grand Dad.  The condition got worse
when I was either drinking alcohol or over tired and it was assumed by my
family that it was a genetic condition to be lived with.  I do not to have this
condition anymore at age 60.  I have (a) not had a drink of alcohol for 20
years, and (b) studied Bates method eye exercises as Tom suggested, and (c)
regularly do the 7th session, finger in the nose release of the sphenoid to
myself....as I often teach my clients to do to themselves.  I believe the 7th
session
work has had the greatest effect on the Amblyopia.  Here is why:
     Strabismus is a congenital condition where the eye is permanantly stuck
in either a lateral or medial position.  The conventional med treatment is
surgery at a young age.  I studied with a Dr. Carole Philips D.C. (
www.newdawnpublishing.com ) who does a form of cranial adjusting with children
and is very
effective with not only stabismus but chronic ear infections as well.  The idea
is that if the mennigeal covering of the brain is tilted or held by a trauma
induced (often child birth) subtle malposition of a cranial bone then the
nerves that control eye movement can be compromised.  I saw a video tape of her
working with a 3 year old boy with Strabismus.  Within ten minutes of her very
gentle cranial adjusting, on tape, the boys eye came around to normal and he is
fine today.  He was scheduled for surgery and the parents sought her out.
Amblyopia could easily be a neurological situation where release of cranial
tension could help.  I have not had a lazy eye occurance or had to drive my car
with one eye closed in over twenty years now.and I attribute it to the 7th
session work.
     The chronic ear infections of children, says Dr. Carole, is from a
malpositioned or held temporal bone that does not allow the eustachion tubes to
drain and bacteria grows in the undrained fluid.  The gentle cranial adjusting
releases the temporal bone, allows for drainage and the infections stop.  Much
easier than surgically installed tubes.  I have had many successes with children
this way.
     The cranial adjusting is so gentle it is more of a hands-on intention
than any gross movements.  Here is the sequence that I learned:
     If a child then with the child supine, often on Mother's abdomen.
     Frontal bone superior and anterior.
     Parietal suture direct superior.
     Wings of the Sphenoid directly anterior.
     The Tragus of the ear inferior and anterior slightly.  (for adults the
pressure is inferior and posterior slightly..this is only difference).
     Occiptal lift in back.
     These movements are so gentle as to be nothing.  When you are with the
person or child right on then they will relax like you have never seen. A big
exhale and a smile will occur.
     Practice on a S.I. buddy first.
     And a cranial class would not hurt either if you are interested.

     For adults with Amblyopia repeated 7th sessions can't hurt and will
probably help.

     Respectfully,

     Dr. Jim

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Dear Folks

I am sure this is already out there, but you can now register for the
Fascial Research Conference.

http://www.fascia2007.com/register.htm

I would recommend registering early - there are only 400 places, and
it was being strongly touted by me and the Massage Therapy Foundation
last week at the AMTA National, with 1200 folks in attendance.

Tom
Myers


On Oct 14, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Richard Wheeler wrote:

> I applaud the Fascia Research Congress' first meeting. This sort of
> information & communion with the research community is very exciting.
>
> I am writing to suggest that there are two areas of research we may
> wish to add to the community focus.
>
> Thermodynamics & Infrared Imaging
>
> Practitioners routinely see changes in their subject's tissues color
> tone & temperature. These changes are related to fluid circulation &
> heat flow.
>
> Can myofascial manipulation change how the body transports its
> metabolically-generated thermal energy? The importance of Heat Flow
> in the body cannot be underestimated. Heat Flow is currently
> understood to be a prime determinate of physical and biological
> structure.
>
> Infrared imaging cameras could be used to measure thermodynamic
> effects of myofascial manipulation. Correlations between infrared
> images & contour maps could prove very interesting.
>
> Here are two very accessible references to important developments in
> modern open-system thermodynamics:
>
> 1. Into The Cool, by Eric D. Schneider and Dorion Sagan No math,
> tremendous depth & erudition in this book, & here is the website:
> http://www.intothecool.com/
>
> 2. Constructal Theory, has been used very successfully by Adrian
> Bejan & James H. Marden's to 'construct' animal movement from new
> thermodynamics theory. www.constructal.org
>
> Contour Mapping & Optical Imaging
>
> Practitioners routinely see remote effects from their work.
> Structural changes created in one region of the body, say the feet,
> affects the shape & motion of other regions like the upper back &
> shoulders. Much more is happening than we can normally see. Dr.
> Rolf used Polaroids for documentation. Today there are 3D cameras
> routinely used by maxillofacial surgeons that produce highly
> accurate, whole body contour maps and surface meshes.
>
> Contour mapping can enable us to document, find & measure remote
> effects with volumetric & cross-sectional analysis. 1-minute before/
> after movies would allow us to measure & compare a standing, full-
> figure's contours, breathing dynamics & standing sway.
>
> Contour maps would enable us to compare results among individual
> practitioners & schools. Data may be analyzed both for their
> similarities & differences as well as to contrast the orders-of-
> magnitude of visible changes. Correlations between contour maps &
> infrared imaging could prove very interesting.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Richard Wheeler
> Advanced Rolfer
>
>

Thomas Myers
318 Clarks Cove Rd
Walpole ME 04573 USA
www.AnatomyTrains.net
kinesis@...





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Michael - All the stuff about awareness is great, but these seem
roundabout ways to me - a competent Bates practitioner (ref: Rosemary
Gordon, Paul Gordon's wife) could clear this up with eye muscle
strengthening exercises - I've seen it done a number of times.  The
wandering eye can affect musculature ipsi- or contralaterally through
its effect on the sub-occipital.

Tom M


On Oct 15, 2006, at 4:40 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:

> >am-bly-o-pi-a
> >n. Dimness of vision, especially when occurring in one eye without
> >apparent physical defect or disease. Also called lazy eye
> >
> >I have a client with such and eye and at times it wanders of to the
> >side. This gentleman is in his early 60's and has had this since
> >childhood. He believes that this condition developed in his childhood
> >and is somehow related to something that isn't functioning on the
> >other side of his body though he has no clue what that would be… His
> >wandering eye is the left one. Has anyone come across this
> >phenomenon? And has anyone come across a structural connection to the
> >eye into any other areas of the head/neck, body?
> >
> >Ron
>
> I recall Carol Agneessens talking about involving
> perception and the visual cortex in an
> Introduction to Rolf Movement class. Lots of the
> stuff covered in that class came from the work of
> Hubert Goddart, a French Rolfer and Movement
> practitioner. Much of what I recall was about
> where the focus of awareness was--diffusely
> around the client at 360 degrees or solely
> frontally focused.
>
> Peter Levine's Somatic Reexperiencing work also
> involves the visual track as one of the cues for
> identifying trauma. I recall a Rolfer who told
> of being kicked by a cow when he was a boy and
> how there's this "dead spot" in his visual field
> where he can't "go".
>
> You might try finding a Rolf Movement
> practitioner (if you aren't trained in Movement
> work) to explore their visual wiring. Finding a
> SE practitioner may be harder but they are out
> there.
>
>

Thomas Myers
318 Clarks Cove Rd
Walpole ME 04573 USA
www.AnatomyTrains.net
kinesis@...





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>am-bly-o-pi-a
>n. Dimness of vision, especially when occurring in one eye without
>apparent physical defect or disease. Also called lazy eye
>
>I have a client with such and eye and at times it wanders of to the
>side.  This gentleman is in his early 60's and has had this since
>childhood.  He believes that this condition developed in his childhood
>and is somehow related to something that isn't functioning on the
>other side of his body though he has no clue what that would be… His
>wandering eye is the left one.  Has anyone come across this
>phenomenon? And has anyone come across a structural connection to the
>eye into any other areas of the head/neck, body?
>
>Ron

I recall Carol Agneessens talking about involving
perception and the visual cortex in an
Introduction to Rolf Movement class.  Lots of the
stuff covered in that class came from the work of
Hubert Goddart, a French Rolfer and Movement
practitioner.  Much of what I recall was about
where the focus of awareness was--diffusely
around the client at 360 degrees or solely
frontally focused.

Peter Levine's Somatic Reexperiencing work also
involves the visual track as one of the cues for
identifying trauma.  I recall a Rolfer who told
of being kicked by a cow when he was a boy and
how there's this "dead spot" in his visual field
where he can't "go".

You might try finding a Rolf Movement
practitioner (if you aren't trained in Movement
work) to explore their visual wiring.  Finding a
SE practitioner may be harder but they are out
there.

am•bly•o•pi•a
n. Dimness of vision, especially when occurring in one eye without
apparent physical defect or disease. Also called lazy eye

I have a client with such and eye and at times it wanders of to the
side.  This gentleman is in his early 60's and has had this since
childhood.  He believes that this condition developed in his childhood
and is somehow related to something that isn't functioning on the
other side of his body though he has no clue what that would be… His
wandering eye is the left one.  Has anyone come across this
phenomenon? And has anyone come across a structural connection to the
eye into any other areas of the head/neck, body?

Ron

I applaud the Fascia Research Congress' first meeting.  This sort of
information & communion with the research community is very exciting.

I am writing to suggest that there are two areas of research we may
wish to add to the community focus.

Thermodynamics & Infrared Imaging

Practitioners routinely see changes in their subject's tissues color
tone & temperature.  These changes are related to fluid circulation &
heat flow.

Can myofascial manipulation change how the body transports its
metabolically-generated thermal energy?  The importance of Heat Flow
in the body cannot be underestimated.  Heat Flow is currently
understood to be a prime determinate of physical and biological
structure.

Infrared imaging cameras could be used to measure thermodynamic
effects of myofascial manipulation.  Correlations between infrared
images & contour maps could prove very interesting.

Here are two very accessible references to important developments in
modern open-system thermodynamics:

1.  Into The Cool, by Eric D. Schneider and Dorion Sagan   No math,
tremendous depth & erudition in this book, & here is the website:
http://www.intothecool.com/

2.  Constructal Theory, has been used very successfully by Adrian
Bejan & James H. Marden's to 'construct' animal movement from new
thermodynamics theory.   www.constructal.org



Contour Mapping & Optical Imaging

Practitioners routinely see remote effects from their work.
Structural changes created in one region of the body, say the feet,
affects the shape & motion of other regions like the upper back &
shoulders.  Much more is happening than we can normally see.  Dr.
Rolf used Polaroids for documentation.  Today there are 3D cameras
routinely used by maxillofacial surgeons that produce highly
accurate, whole body  contour maps and surface meshes.

Contour mapping can enable us to document, find & measure remote
effects with volumetric & cross-sectional analysis.  1-minute before/
after movies would allow us to measure & compare a standing, full-
figure's contours, breathing dynamics & standing sway.

Contour maps would enable us to compare results among individual
practitioners & schools.  Data may be analyzed both for their
similarities & differences as well as to contrast the orders-of-
magnitude of visible changes.   Correlations between contour maps &
infrared imaging could prove very interesting.


Sincerely,

Richard Wheeler
Advanced Rolfer

Hi,

   So glad to hear the improvements.

Re - emotional - guarded - you might want to ask and talk about multiple
episodes of being harmed going back to early life - after you talk about the
harm from the experiences she recently had, of chemo, of after the physical
distortion occurred, or even right when she was told she had cancer and how she
was treated during that time.  Usually, there is a matrix of some related
episodes even going back a ways.

The nutrition will also help the organs as well as the muscle-fascia tissue
quality itself, and that will be helping release some of the fears and
contractions.

But the actual energies of the episodes, some located in deeper musculature,
some in organ energies, some in bones and some around the spine; these energies
of the past events are themselves the guarding we attribute to the person.  And
the person actually feels that way as if it is him or her.  But removing the old
contracting energy that occurred at those times will then erase the guarding for
another and another layer.  And the person will not act as guarded toward things
in fall 2006, automatically, with no psychotherapy needed.

   Best,
Lou Gross

Dennis Garrity <Dennis@...> wrote:
           Thank you all for your excellent feedback.

We have just completed our second session and there is a noticeable
improvement. The smile on her face says it all. Stress and emotional
trauma is very apparent as she was extremely guarded. I will also
discuss with her the neuro-nutritional and emotional recovery tips as
well so that we can give her some great informative choices.

-Dennis

--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Garrity"
<Dennis@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have a new client with Cervical Dysonia and would like to know if
> anyone had experience or could provide some insight to an efficient
> approach...






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Thank you all for your excellent feedback.

We have just completed our second session and there is a noticeable
improvement. The smile on her face says it all. Stress and emotional
trauma is very apparent as she was extremely guarded. I will also
discuss with her the neuro-nutritional and emotional recovery tips as
well so that we can give her some great informative choices.

-Dennis

--- In Structural_Integration@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Garrity"
<Dennis@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have a new client with Cervical Dysonia and would like to know if
> anyone had experience or could provide some insight to an efficient
> approach...

Bodytalk Rochester, Bill Dewey, on the internet is one source.  He does it by
phone.  It is energy - kinesiology - etc - as you suggested , Linda, the true
bodytalk has a protocol of looking and seeing what the body says - that is up
for it.  I had a pancreatic virus detected and he said he removed it but I had
to do a lot of garlic and herbs etc and cleansing to really feel better - but I
did know where to go and he removed omething about it.  I also had a lot of
release from an earlier session he did for me.  So it does help and does some
"real" things.

   Lou

Linda Harmon <sinbad@...> wrote:
           Hi Dennis and Tom,

Dennis, given that your client developed these issues after breast
surgery and chemo, I wonder if the spasming is a reaction to toxicity
in the tissues from the chemo? I have a client now who is in the mid-
stages of chemo for tx of breast cancer and she says it is hellish on
the body --- she can feel it change the tissues in her hands, for
instance. Also, did your client have breast reconstruction???
Perhaps the neck issues developed from being top heavy on one side???
(assuming she had one breast removed).

I have one suggestion of an alternative type therapy that might help
her. It's called Body Talk (google body talk to find out more). I
haven't tried it myself but 2 of my friends have. One has hepatitis
c and was pronounced "terminal" by the medical community. She has
done the body talk therapy (sounds to me like it works on the neuro-
endocrine-psychological levels, at least). She is now symptom-free
and her bloods are okay. Another woman had severe hypoglycemia (she
was considering pancreatic surgery) --- she got 2 sessions of body
talk and is functioning quite well now. Don't ask me how it works
--- but, it certainly seems to. And, with respect to your client, I
wonder if it might help to change the physiology underlying the spasms.

I also wonder if she has trauma stored in her suboccipitals from
being diagnosed with cancer, confronting her mortality very directly,
and experiencing the loss of a breast. How does she now see
herself??? And, has she been able to give voice to her experience??
Is the twisting and neck spasming a response to try and articulate
something very deep inside her??? What is moving her???? And, is
the spasming somehow serving her in moving forward or in a different
direction in her life??? Not to diminish her pain, by any means.
And, also not to diminish the skill of her medical team. I'm just
looking to possibilities that the symptoms might be interpreted and
treated as other than "dysfunction".

Good luck!

Regards,
Linda Harmon KMI

On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Thomas Myers wrote:

> Likely the breast removal was just a massive stress that brought up
> the dystonia, ditto the surgery, rather than any direct effect on the
> basal ganglia themselves.
>
> I don't know what you think your work is going to do to repair damage
> in the basal ganglia - this seems wishful thinking to me - but
> keeping the advancement of the dystonia at bay - with or without the
> botox - seems a reasonable goal - and one that I have done with a
> number of cervical and vocal dystonia (s?).
>
> Also, the series helps reduce stress, and stress reduction is the
> golden road to reducing symptoms in these cases.
>
> Tom M
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Dennis Garrity wrote:
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have a new client with Cervical Dysonia and would like to know if
>> anyone had experience or could provide some insight to an efficient
>> approach. At this time she can only commit to three sessions. Her
>> symptoms first occurred just after Breast cancer surgery and
>> Chemotherapy three years ago. Spasms cause neck rotation to the left
>> wand is the same side as the breast removal. I guess I am hoping that
>> our work can remotely provide some reversal to the damage (if any) of
>> the Basal Ganglia. Maybe at least I can keep her from continuing
>> Botox
>> treatments.
>>
>> Chances are I will be seeing another client as well. Her symptoms
>> occurred after spinal surgery. Would love to have a heads up on this
>> client as well.
>> Thank You!
>>
>> PS. I enjoy learning from all of your posts. This is my first post.
>> -Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Walpole ME 04573 USA
> www.AnatomyTrains.net
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Hi Dennis and all,

   All the natural health experts I have read in the past 15 years do agree with
the orientation of Dr. Hammersfahr - nutrition in high amounts to rebuild the
whole body and cleanse it of the toxins - along with specific target application
for the issue at hand.

   Nutrition for the muscle and nerve elements can help with the spasms, and
rebuild the tissue damage and nutritional drain that happened in the
chemotherapy.  Specifically kelp, wakame, irish moss, sea palm seaweeds - many
ounces a day - for minerals for all structural components - and large amounts of
fresh green leafy vegetable juice, kale, collards, dandelion and beet greens,
spinach and parsley, even to 2-3 quarts a day. These feed the cells enormously. 
I have had clients relax noticeably, the tissues spread a lot easier and pain
was reduced from everything, even bones healed fast and I healed my own muscle
tears and nerve damage pretty fast, too.

   These foods, especially the greens - organic if at all possibe - will reduce
inflamation a lot - and not just chlorella or spiulina supplements alone as they
are good to take but are not the same thing at all)

   Dr Schulze's product, Superfood, (see his contact below) has large amounts of
B-Vitamins in natural food form, which as you may know, helps with nerves a lot.

   I would think your SI can help him a lot, if you are able to get into it
deeply enough either hands-on or by helping him add fascial lengthening
stretching to simulate in the areas he could not get to you for.  (email me
personally, if you wish)  for lots more info and DVD's of how to do this).

I don't know if the following detaila will help, but maybe just give you
encouragement to do what you already know how to do. My main experience with
benefits of SI for significant neurological "dysfunction" issues was a 63 yr old
man with Parkinsons & a 74 yr old woman who'd had a stroke and other problems.

I did 3-1/2 hrs in one long session for the stroke victim - covering many areas
incl her head, and her arm pain was gone, she would smile and emote happily, and
could push herself around the house easily with her feet in the wheel chair. 
When I got there she was mostly bed bound.  I had tested whether I could loosen
the head at the Naturopathic Dr's Office I was referred from, with her adult
children present, as stroke problems include circulation and 4th (heart) chakra
issues (which include touching more) , and, also as most know, very tight heads 
Her tissue spread fine and we did it all that evening at their home in her bed. 
Everyone was pleased with the improvements.  I am thinking, it was like letting
this person out of an encagement.

   I did 3-4 2-hr sessions for the man with Parkinsons who was active but was
rather stiff and tight.  His whole body loosened, Face was more open and his
demeanor more positive.  When he took his Parkinson Meds I later saw him out in
a church and he was moving around very fluidly.  His 45 yr old son and the man
across the street, part of his support system, remarked with obvious pleasure
how much better he was looking.  In addition, he had been hit by his - at that
time - estranged wife - probably out of her frustration with him - and I also
did a couple hours for her later.  The fear and anger he'd had toward her was
gone, significantly and noticeably, and she then moved back in to be with him,
at his mutual request.

   So your hands-on should make a lot feel and work better in a few ways.  At
least help the fascial part.  Then anything neuro-muscularly oriented can extend
out to the larger fascial lengths.  And the neuro-muscular application before
and during the SI caould make the SI do more.  Even some chiropractic or yoga,
etc, could help with the elongation and putting vertebra back into alignment.

In fact, regarding finding effective solution for the rest of what is happening
for him,  I have had a few clients get in contact with the correct doctors and
remedies when the fascial compression and shortness around the problem, located
deeper in the body's system, was cleared.  It's an energy transmission thing.  I
think that the negative emotional energies that were in the tissues from other
people as well, were pushed out.

Here are a few more resources and the reasons why I mention them.  Could go
along with this info from Dr. H.

   http://www.herbdoc.com  1-800-herb-doc. Dr Richard Schulze, who was THE
natural health expert doctor for the rich and famous L.A. Entertainment
Industry, who now, for 10+ years has free and low cost information incl recorded
public talks & class lessons, free book info w/catalog, and excellent natural
supplements including for brain and nerves. Schulze explains how he improved his
brain circulation formula beyond the basic remedies, especially with cayenne. 
He is extremely oriented toward high enzyme, high nutrient foods in very large
quantities along with high concentration herbal formula, well tested in the
clinic, .  His info explains all this.  He was very successful in many serious
conditions including Myesthenia Gravis and other nerve issues.  As mentined
above, his Superfood product, especially formulated with high B-Vits, and
knowledge about nerves that I heard in his talks, is good.

The School of Natural Healing in Springville, Utah 1-800# allows free consults
with Dr David Christopher, the owner and 30 year master herbalist, son of the
very famous, and repeatedly successful  Dr. John Christopher.  They have a faily
inexpensive trio of formula that have helped people rebuild nerves.  AAlso see
Christopher's Herb Shop on the internet and call them 1-800# for info.

   Ann Wigmore Living Food Centers in Michigan (Creative Health Inst -Don
Haughey, owner), Puerto Rico (Ann Wigmore Institute, Leola, Program Director) - 
I know these folks and their places personally - and also Lemon Grove (near San
Diego, Optimum Health Inst, I don't know them personally), Hippocrates Health
Inst (West Palm Beach, FL, Brian Weiss, Owner) - all the places and especially
the people I mention who worked side by side with Ann Wigmore before being in
those centers, have about three decades each of helping hundreds if not
thousands of people heal from everything.  Specifically this program uses
incredibly high nutritional input and lots of cleansing, in a wholistic natural
health environment.  These folks I mention might have personal experience with
people repairing nerve conditions.  They, and off the shelf books, all also
teach the method, what foods, where to get, how to grow, etc

   Best,
   Lou Gross




Linda Harmon <sinbad@...> wrote:
           Hi Dennis and Tom,

I have one more resource that might help your client, Dennis.
There's a neurologist in Clearwater, Florida named Dr. William
Hammesfahr. He runs the Hammesfahr Neurological Institute and has
had 80% success rate in treating folks with serious neurological
issues (like stroke, for example). His premise is that when you
increase the flow of blood to the brain (using FDA approved
vasodilators, ultrasound testing and a medication protocol individual
to each patient plus a specific nutritional plan) that the brain has
the capability to heal itself. Apparently, this doc has been
nominated for the Nobel Prize so he is the genuine article, so to speak.

There's a book, "Peeling the Onion: Reversing the Ravages of Stroke"
written by the daughter of a man who received great benefit from his
treatment at this clinic. In the intro to the book, the doctor
says that he has worked with folks with whiplash, Tourette's,
Parkinson's, seizures, etc.

So maybe it could help. Don't know about the cost, insurance
coverage issues, etc.

Linda
On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Thomas Myers wrote:

> Likely the breast removal was just a massive stress that brought up
> the dystonia, ditto the surgery, rather than any direct effect on the
> basal ganglia themselves.
>
> I don't know what you think your work is going to do to repair damage
> in the basal ganglia - this seems wishful thinking to me - but
> keeping the advancement of the dystonia at bay - with or without the
> botox - seems a reasonable goal - and one that I have done with a
> number of cervical and vocal dystonia (s?).
>
> Also, the series helps reduce stress, and stress reduction is the
> golden road to reducing symptoms in these cases.
>
> Tom M
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Dennis Garrity wrote:
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have a new client with Cervical Dysonia and would like to know if
>> anyone had experience or could provide some insight to an efficient
>> approach. At this time she can only commit to three sessions. Her
>> symptoms first occurred just after Breast cancer surgery and
>> Chemotherapy three years ago. Spasms cause neck rotation to the left
>> wand is the same side as the breast removal. I guess I am hoping that
>> our work can remotely provide some reversal to the damage (if any) of
>> the Basal Ganglia. Maybe at least I can keep her from continuing
>> Botox
>> treatments.
>>
>> Chances are I will be seeing another client as well. Her symptoms
>> occurred after spinal surgery. Would love to have a heads up on this
>> client as well.
>> Thank You!
>>
>> PS. I enjoy learning from all of your posts. This is my first post.
>> -Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thomas Myers
> 318 Clarks Cove Rd
> Walpole ME 04573 USA
> www.AnatomyTrains.net
> kinesis@...
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Hi Dennis and Tom,

I have one more resource that might help your client, Dennis.
There's a neurologist in Clearwater, Florida named Dr. William
Hammesfahr.  He runs the Hammesfahr Neurological Institute and has
had 80% success rate in treating folks with serious neurological
issues (like stroke, for example).  His premise is that when you
increase the flow of blood to the brain (using FDA approved
vasodilators, ultrasound testing and a medication protocol individual
to each patient plus a specific nutritional plan) that the brain has
the capability to heal itself.  Apparently, this doc has been
nominated for the Nobel Prize so he is the genuine article, so to speak.

There's a book, "Peeling the Onion:  Reversing the Ravages of Stroke"
written by the daughter of a man who received great benefit from his
treatment at this clinic.   In the intro  to the book, the doctor
says that he has worked with folks with whiplash, Tourette's,
Parkinson's, seizures, etc.

So maybe it could help.  Don't know about the cost, insurance
coverage issues, etc.

Linda
On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Thomas Myers wrote:

> Likely the breast removal was just a massive stress that brought up
> the dystonia, ditto the surgery, rather than any direct effect on the
> basal ganglia themselves.
>
> I don't know what you think your work is going to do to repair damage
> in the basal ganglia - this seems wishful thinking to me - but
> keeping the advancement of the dystonia at bay - with or without the
> botox - seems a reasonable goal - and one that I have done with a
> number of cervical and vocal dystonia (s?).
>
> Also, the series helps reduce stress, and stress reduction is the
> golden road to reducing symptoms in these cases.
>
> Tom M
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Dennis Garrity wrote:
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have a new client with Cervical Dysonia and would like to know if
>> anyone had experience or could provide some insight to an efficient
>> approach. At this time she can only commit to three sessions. Her
>> symptoms first occurred just after Breast cancer surgery and
>> Chemotherapy three years ago. Spasms cause neck rotation to the left
>> wand is the same side as the breast removal. I guess I am hoping that
>> our work can remotely provide some reversal to the damage (if any) of
>> the Basal Ganglia. Maybe at least I can keep her from continuing
>> Botox
>> treatments.
>>
>> Chances are I will be seeing another client as well. Her symptoms
>> occurred after spinal surgery. Would love to have a heads up on this
>> client as well.
>> Thank You!
>>
>> PS. I enjoy learning from all of your posts. This is my first post.
>> -Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thomas Myers
> 318 Clarks Cove Rd
> Walpole ME 04573 USA
> www.AnatomyTrains.net
> kinesis@...
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Dennis and Tom,

Dennis, given that your client developed these issues after breast
surgery and chemo, I wonder if the spasming is a reaction to toxicity
in the tissues from the chemo?  I have a client now who is in the mid-
stages of chemo for tx of breast cancer and she says it is hellish on
the body --- she can feel it change the tissues in her hands, for
instance.  Also, did your client have breast reconstruction???
Perhaps the neck issues developed from being top heavy on one side???
(assuming she had one breast removed).

I have one suggestion of an alternative type therapy that might help
her.  It's called Body Talk (google body talk to find out more).  I
haven't tried it myself but 2 of my friends have.  One has hepatitis
c and was pronounced "terminal" by the medical community.  She has
done the body talk therapy (sounds to me like it works on the neuro-
endocrine-psychological levels, at least).  She is now symptom-free
and her bloods are okay.  Another woman had severe hypoglycemia (she
was considering pancreatic surgery) --- she got 2 sessions of body
talk and is functioning quite well now.  Don't ask me how it works
--- but, it certainly seems to.  And, with respect to your client, I
wonder if it might help to change the physiology underlying the spasms.

I also wonder if she has trauma stored in her suboccipitals from
being diagnosed with cancer, confronting her mortality very directly,
and experiencing the loss of a breast.  How does she now see
herself??? And, has she been able to give voice to her experience??
Is the twisting and neck spasming a response to try and articulate
something very deep inside her???  What is moving her????   And, is
the spasming somehow serving her in moving forward or in a different
direction in her life???   Not to diminish her pain, by any means.
And, also not to diminish the skill of her medical team.   I'm just
looking to possibilities that the symptoms might be interpreted and
treated as other than "dysfunction".

Good luck!

Regards,
Linda Harmon   KMI



On Oct 10, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Thomas Myers wrote:

> Likely the breast removal was just a massive stress that brought up
> the dystonia, ditto the surgery, rather than any direct effect on the
> basal ganglia themselves.
>
> I don't know what you think your work is going to do to repair damage
> in the basal ganglia - this seems wishful thinking to me - but
> keeping the advancement of the dystonia at bay - with or without the
> botox - seems a reasonable goal - and one that I have done with a
> number of cervical and vocal dystonia (s?).
>
> Also, the series helps reduce stress, and stress reduction is the
> golden road to reducing symptoms in these cases.
>
> Tom M
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Dennis Garrity wrote:
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have a new client with Cervical Dysonia and would like to know if
>> anyone had experience or could provide some insight to an efficient
>> approach. At this time she can only commit to three sessions. Her
>> symptoms first occurred just after Breast cancer surgery and
>> Chemotherapy three years ago. Spasms cause neck rotation to the left
>> wand is the same side as the breast removal. I guess I am hoping that
>> our work can remotely provide some reversal to the damage (if any) of
>> the Basal Ganglia. Maybe at least I can keep her from continuing
>> Botox
>> treatments.
>>
>> Chances are I will be seeing another client as well. Her symptoms
>> occurred after spinal surgery. Would love to have a heads up on this
>> client as well.
>> Thank You!
>>
>> PS. I enjoy learning from all of your posts. This is my first post.
>> -Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thomas Myers
> 318 Clarks Cove Rd
> Walpole ME 04573 USA
> www.AnatomyTrains.net
> kinesis@...
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Likely the breast removal was just a massive stress that brought up
the dystonia, ditto the surgery, rather than any direct effect on the
basal ganglia themselves.

I don't know what you think your work is going to do to repair damage
in the basal ganglia - this seems wishful thinking to me - but
keeping the advancement of the dystonia at bay - with or without the
botox - seems a reasonable goal - and one that I have done with a
number of cervical and vocal dystonia (s?).

Also, the series helps reduce stress, and stress reduction is the
golden road to reducing symptoms in these cases.

Tom M


On Oct 10, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Dennis Garrity wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have a new client with Cervical Dysonia and would like to know if
> anyone had experience or could provide some insight to an efficient
> approach. At this time she can only commit to three sessions. Her
> symptoms first occurred just after Breast cancer surgery and
> Chemotherapy three years ago. Spasms cause neck rotation to the left
> wand is the same side as the breast removal. I guess I am hoping that
> our work can remotely provide some reversal to the damage (if any) of
> the Basal Ganglia. Maybe at least I can keep her from continuing Botox
> treatments.
>
> Chances are I will be seeing another client as well. Her symptoms
> occurred after spinal surgery. Would love to have a heads up on this
> client as well.
> Thank You!
>
> PS. I enjoy learning from all of your posts. This is my first post.
> -Dennis
>
>
>

Thomas Myers
318 Clarks Cove Rd
Walpole ME 04573 USA
www.AnatomyTrains.net
kinesis@...





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Hello all,

I have a new client with Cervical Dysonia and would like to know if
anyone had experience or could provide some insight to an efficient
approach. At this time she can only commit to three sessions. Her
symptoms first occurred just after Breast cancer surgery and
Chemotherapy three years ago. Spasms cause neck rotation to the left
wand is the same side as the breast removal. I guess I am hoping that
our work can remotely provide some reversal to the damage (if any) of
the Basal Ganglia. Maybe at least I can keep her from continuing Botox
treatments.

Chances are I will be seeing another client as well. Her symptoms
occurred after spinal surgery. Would love to have a heads up on this
client as well.
Thank You!

PS. I enjoy learning from all of your posts. This is my first post.
-Dennis

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Wow, Louis, beautifully put and comprehensive!

I just want to add that there are different kinds of lupus, so it's
worth inquiring.

And it's a condition, not a real disease

2-3 weeks of strict adherence to Fit for Life is usually enough to
ameliorate the symptoms, though of course a lot longer is necessary
to rid the body of the majority of lymphatic waste.

Tom Myers


On Sep 30, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Louis Gross wrote:

> Hi Garrell,
>
> I have always found that the consistency of the tissue reflected
> how healthy a client's bloodstream was and how "clean" the
> bloodstream and especially the lymphatic system was. Of course, the
> interstitial fluid of the fascia is part of the lymphatic are with
> the lymphatic capilaries in there. It is possible that both what he
> eats (and does not eat) and what the condition of his eliminative
> organs are, are affecting his tissue consistency.
>
> I used to check what people ate and compare how their tissue felt
> for me. I always found more vegetables and fruits, raw or cooked)
> made the tissue softer and more plyable, and interestingly, even a
> lot of brown rice and other vegetarian grains versus the actual
> vegetables and fruits, made the person's tissue rubbery and
> tougher. Even if they did not eat animal flesh nor junk food. Maybe
> other people have more inputs about this.
>
> www.ial.org has good free information about the lymphatics,
> cleansing and as a source of disease, also a very informative book,
> and some good techniques and videos regarding the lymphatics. He
> can look into mini tampolines and doing lynmphatic cleansing with
> one, not necessarily aerobic eercise with one. (See their book and
> free info.)
>
> Other sources are Dr. Christopher's Herb Shop (see this name on
> line) , American Botanical Pharmacy with the famous Dr. Schulze's
> whole program, www.bragg.com, (see the Paul Bragg 12 min video and
> then the slide show video about his life - I was VERY impressed
> with actually seeing him on video - how flexible and dynamic - he
> also did a lot of weight training and daily yoga - but here he
> talks about food into the body) - and any Ann Wigmore health Center
> on the Web. Grapes and wheatgrass are specific for lymphatics.
>
> People with fibromyalgia which also includes lymphatic and
> interstitial toxicity, who take a bottle of Noni juice every week
> report good results that I have found is very complementary with SI
> to cure their condition. Noni improves cellular function and liver
> function, too. In traditional chinese medicine, muscles and tendons
> are part of the liver organ system. (I take Noni sometimes and it
> helps - I do not sell it.) High magnesium plant food can help
> because the body uses magnesium as a major factor is draining
> waste, fungus, etc out. Dandelion Greens and Beet Greens are the
> highest I know of. They also help the liver and hear ) ie,
> circulation and cleansing functions.)
>
> I mention all these food tips right away because when you push on
> the tissues, that stuff you feel is going to go somewhere. This
> would be my own concern. Hence...
>
> I would guess that as your treatments proceed, his old waste
> storage will get cleaned out a lot and the tissues would feel
> healthier to the touch, although the degree of improvement is
> dependent on his ability both to cleanse and to build better cells.
> In case you are concerned about spreading bad stuff around his
> body, I did read a few years agi in a national massage magazine how
> massage with Cancer patients helped them. And Dr Rolf was a
> physiologist. A certain amount of her recipe and the gravity
> alignment goals, she wiites about being for psysiological benefits
> as well as so-called structural mechanics or archetecture purposes.
> As we know, she saw them as two views of the same system.
>
> Harvey Diamond, author of the FIt for Life books, wrote the third
> one about Cancer being caused by chaotic lymphatics. He has a website.
>
> Since your client does a lot of movement activity (yoga) already,
> I, myself would guess proceed to see if the metabolic part of his
> fascial system, and therefore his organs and bloodstream as well,
> would improve in their quality.
>
> Best
> Lou Gross
>
>
> garrell <yogarrell@...> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have a new client diagnosed with Lupus. He's in his
> mid-fifties and reports he has mild symptoms. He uses
> meds to manage the symptoms, which have included
> fever, fatigue, muscle soreness. When the symptoms
> first presented he was diagnosed with mono. He's doing
> pretty, does exercise like yoga, pilates, and some
> weight training.
>
> We did session one yesterday. His tissue felt thick,
> dense, sticky. His legs were especially tight.
>
> Any one had experience with this care to share?
>
> Thanks,
> garrell
>
> --- Jason Rumohr <jason@...> wrote:
>
> > Anyone seen this book yet? The PDF excerpt of it on
> > the website looks
> > absolutely amazing.
> >
> >
> http://www.eastlandpress.com/books/
> the_fasciae_anatomy_dysfunction_and_treatment.php
> >
> > Jason
> > Seattle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Garrell,

   I have always found that the consistency of the tissue reflected how healthy a
client's bloodstream was and how "clean" the bloodstream and especially the
lymphatic system was. Of course, the interstitial fluid of the fascia is part of
the lymphatic are with the lymphatic capilaries in there.  It is possible that
both what he eats (and does not eat) and what the condition of his eliminative
organs are, are affecting his tissue consistency.

I used to check what people ate and compare how their tissue felt for me.  I
always found more vegetables and fruits, raw or cooked) made the tissue softer
and more plyable, and interestingly, even a lot of brown rice and other
vegetarian grains versus the actual vegetables and fruits, made the person's
tissue rubbery and tougher.  Even if they did not eat animal flesh nor junk
food.  Maybe other people have more inputs about this.

www.ial.org has good free information about the lymphatics, cleansing and as a
source of disease, also a very informative book, and some good techniques and
videos regarding the lymphatics.  He can look into mini tampolines and doing
lynmphatic cleansing with one, not necessarily aerobic eercise with one.  (See
their book and free info.)

Other sources are Dr. Christopher's Herb Shop (see this name on line) , American
Botanical Pharmacy with the famous Dr. Schulze's whole program, www.bragg.com,
(see the Paul Bragg 12 min video and then the slide show video about his life -
I was VERY impressed with actually seeing him on video - how flexible and
dynamic - he also did a lot of weight training and daily yoga - but here he
talks about food into the body) - and any Ann Wigmore health Center on the Web. 
Grapes and wheatgrass are specific for lymphatics.

   People with fibromyalgia which also includes lymphatic and interstitial
toxicity, who take a bottle of Noni juice every week report good results that I
have found is very complementary with SI to cure their condition.  Noni improves
cellular function and liver function, too.  In traditional chinese medicine,
muscles and tendons are part of the liver organ system.  (I take Noni sometimes
and it helps - I do not sell it.)  High magnesium plant food can help because
the body uses magnesium as a major factor is draining waste, fungus, etc out. 
Dandelion Greens and Beet Greens are the highest I know of.  They also help the
liver and hear ) ie, circulation and cleansing functions.)

   I mention all these food tips right away because when you push on the tissues,
that stuff you feel is going to go somewhere.  This would be my own concern. 
Hence...

   I would guess that as your treatments proceed, his old waste storage will get
cleaned out a lot and the tissues would feel healthier to the touch, although
the degree of improvement is dependent on his ability both to cleanse and to
build better cells.  In case you are concerned about spreading bad stuff around
his body, I did read a few years agi in a national massage magazine how massage
with Cancer patients helped them.   And Dr Rolf was a physiologist.  A certain
amount of her recipe and the gravity alignment goals, she wiites about being for
psysiological benefits as well as so-called structural mechanics or archetecture
purposes.  As we know, she saw them as two views of the same system.

Harvey Diamond, author of the FIt for Life books, wrote the third one about
Cancer being caused by chaotic lymphatics.  He has a website.

Since your client does a lot of movement activity (yoga) already, I, myself
would guess proceed to see if the metabolic part of his fascial system, and
therefore his organs and bloodstream as well, would improve in their quality.

   Best
   Lou Gross


garrell <yogarrell@...> wrote:
           Hello all,

I have a new client diagnosed with Lupus. He's in his
mid-fifties and reports he has mild symptoms. He uses
meds to manage the symptoms, which have included
fever, fatigue, muscle soreness. When the symptoms
first presented he was diagnosed with mono. He's doing
pretty, does exercise like yoga, pilates, and some
weight training.

We did session one yesterday. His tissue felt thick,
dense, sticky. His legs were especially tight.

Any one had experience with this care to share?

Thanks,
garrell

--- Jason Rumohr <jason@...> wrote:

> Anyone seen this book yet? The PDF excerpt of it on
> the website looks
> absolutely amazing.
>
>
http://www.eastlandpress.com/books/the_fasciae_anatomy_dysfunction_and_treatment\
.php
>
> Jason
> Seattle
>
>
>
>
>

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