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Re: [SocialFitnessForum] How to get what you want.

Thanks for your help.

I completely agree with the "map is not the territory" idea.

In fact, I'll go so far as to say the Earth DOES NOT revolve around the Sun.
It makes no sense to say one particular frame of reference is the "correct"
one.

One could easily claim that the Sun and Earth make complex paths in the sky
above Jupiter, and that Jupiter stays in one place. Of course the equations
describing the orbits work well when they are written with the Sun as the frame
of reference, but a more complicated set of equations, or more likely a
non-closed-form simulation, should be written to describe the motions of the
Sun and Earth from the frame of reference of a person standing on Jupiter. In
fact, exactly such a set of equations would be used by a spacecraft on Jupiter
that was aiming its antenna towards earth.

I have a little more trouble with your idea that we should adopt resourceful
beliefs. Where does the role of evidence come in? For instance, it would be
great to believe that my hand would not be burnt when moving hot pots on a
stove. Then I could cook more easily and not have to use potholders. I would
have a hard time adopting this belief, however. My mental model of the world
is that if I touch a hot piece of metal I will be burned. Just knowing that
the map is not the territory is not sufficient. Evidence tells me my map is
correct.

Back to social anxiety, I do know that if I go to a party and try to act
outgoing I will experience humiliation. It's cause and effect. Repeated
experiences with this provide evidence for the belief (map) that it will happen
next time, too. If people appear to love me at the party, that might chip away
at the map I have that says everybody will reject me. But only a little bit.
The most consistent interpretation of their outward signs of acceptance is that
they are exagerating their acceptance of me, and that they true feelings toward
me are not so great.

I believe my map can be changed by lots of exposure to little situations,
chipping away at it bit by bit. But it sounds like you think there is a better
way. Do you think you can adopt a new map just by choice? If so, could you
adopt the belief that hot pots will not burn your skin?

--Bob




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I was really pleased to receive all of your emails in my inbox this morning; it's been the most mails on here in a while, I'd be willing to bet. I'm glad to...
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Thanks for your help. I completely agree with the "map is not the territory" idea. In fact, I'll go so far as to say the Earth DOES NOT revolve around the Sun....
Bob Mayo
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I agree with a lot of what you said what frame of mind I'm in really affects how i precieve rejection eg if I'm in a positive frame and i feel things are going...
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Well it seems to me there are two (interacting) dynamics going on when one feels/fears rejection in groups. The first is a heightened perception of negative...
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Jul 4, 2007
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Sam, thanks for your post. What are the best ways of changing one's map (or set of beliefs)? There are people that enter social situations and do fine, and the...
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I point out that the map is not the teretory to explain how what we think is real isn't really what's going on, although our experiencing this map (and...
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... I know for certain I've experienced something like this in another situation. I used to be so shy that asking people for directions on the street was ...
Bob Mayo
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I've always been shy and have had problems with feedback from people, unfortunately often times this results in my not getting feedback even if I'm doing a...
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Jul 9, 2007
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I really appreciate your honesty here, as it sounds as if you're aware of how you create these situations, or at least are aware of how you're "doing" these...
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If your really curious about this, I'd check out http://www.centerpointe.com/life/preview for the full story. As I said I'm fairly new at this stuff, so my...
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I think that whatever map we decide to use in a given situation will work. For example you noticed that now you can easily do something which had haulted you...
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I'm not as scared of the attention as I am of the blush. So I fear blushing because it brings more embarrassment. I did finally seek help and it has worked,...
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Jul 13, 2007
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I think that it's interesting that certain people can make us more embarrassed than others. For example when around close friends (or as you said your...
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