-Jennifer, I don't know much about this but the explanting surgeon I
used does this a lot. His nurse had it done, she said it looks very
good. I did not have it done, but had an internal lift. I have
just heard that transfers may not last, even my internal lift has
changed its look. I know that the dr you are using is well trusted
right. I think mine would not do it because he did not want to put
me through more being so sick. You are in my thoughts, I know this
is a big thing, and just remember there are so many others that have
traveled this road too, that made me feel better when I was in the
OR getting the explant. Love Nan

-- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer <waltjenking@...>
wrote:
>
> I am not building a breast. This will not even increase my cup
size. It is only to help fill in the upper portion a little better
so that it looks natural. They are only taking a little bit of fat
cells from my abdomen and it is NOT major surgery at all. Dr Huang
is doing this procedure and I could have sworn that you all said she
was to be trusted. I have talked more with Dr. Blais and he has
also told me that this procedure is okay...just to be sure the area
is well vasculated.
>
> Jennifer
>
> Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:
> Correction . .. "to build a breast" . . . TRAM
surgeries are major!
>
> Rogene
>
>
>
> Lynda <coss@...> wrote:
> There is a difference between fat transfer and tram flap
procedures.
>
> Lynda
>
> At 11:19 PM 2/27/2007, you wrote:
>
> >Jen,
> >
> >The best description I've heard of tram flap surgeries are the
> >"surgeries from Hell" . ..
> >
> >You sacrifice either a muscle from your stomach or your back to
> >build a muscle. Then have to deal with the consequences as you
age. . .
> >
> >IMHO, it's not a good deal!
> >
> >Rogene
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Need Mail bonding?
> Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
>

Hi Linda,

What you are describing was one of my first symptoms, the awful leg
pains in the night and muscle twitching, and the shooting pains
throughout my body.  I didn't sleep much the entire 6 months I had
the implants (I had them removed after six months).  You know your
body and I think you are wise to listen to your instincts.  You are
right - your plastic surgeon will probably tell you "it's not the
implants" and might suggest that you seek counseling, we've all
heard it ourselves, but in the end I knew my problems were implant
related and I had them removed.  I'm much better since I've been
explanted, and I look great.  I used Dr. Feng in Ohio, although
there are other doctors that we've used that come highly
recommended.  If you do decide to use your original surgeon, insist
that he/she remove the capsules and make them sign a paper attesting
to that fact.

Sis

--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa Peake"
<peaketeresa@...> wrote:
>
> -Linda,
> All I can say right now to you dear girl is you are not alone in
> this, and we will help you anyway we can, I know how difficult it
is
> to take care of children when you become sick. I got sick when my
> daughter was 2 months old.It took me ten years to figure it out,
So
> at least you are aware much sooner and you shouldn't have long
> suffering, I have those muscle twitches and spasms but they are
> almost gone since explant. We just had someone go through explant
> after only 5 weeks of having implants so yes it can happen that
> quickly, Please try not to panic and not stree as that will make
you
> feel worse, you are very lucky that you found this group so early
on,
> I really mean that I suffered for ten years before any help and
about
> 50 Dr.s, You are on the right track. I was a centerfold and
thought I
> couldn't have explant surgery and was scared to death but you know
> what it all turned out fine. I am still dealing with auto immune
> illness now but I got my memory back and my brain fog completely
went
> away, so there is hope. We wil help you get through this,
> Goodbye for now
> Terri P
>
>
> -- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "beingjones" <beingjones@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Ladies!
> >
> > My name is Linda. I am a 36-year old mother of four. Five weeks
> ago, I
> > underwent surgery for mastopexy, sub-pectoral implants (smooth
> saline
> > moderate profile by Mentor) from barely-B to a C cup, an
umbilical
> > hernia repair and a partial abdominoplasty where only skin was
> removed.
> >
> > On my third night post surgery, I had the sensation of falling
off
> > into a deep sleep (almost passing out) and then my whole body
would
> > jerk, waking me instantly. All night. I felt somehow that the
> jerking
> > awake was my body's way of saving me from dying during that
night. I
> > blamed it on the meds.
> >
> > I switched to Tylenol PM for the night (Tylenol during the day)
and
> I
> > didn't notice much during the nights for the next week. On the
10th
> > night post-surgery (the very first time I went to sleep with no
> > medicine), I awakened with a strong muscle twitch in my right
> tricep.
> > 100 beats a minute. You could see it. Others could feel it when
they
> > touched it. I was unable to go back to sleep until the morning
AFTER
> > taking a Tylenol PM again. It lasted over 24 hours.
> >
> > As this odd symptom subsided during the 11th night, all of a
sudden,
> > little tiny painless muscle twitches began to occur all
throughout
> my
> > entire body, from my face to my toes. Occasionally, a big one
would
> > seem to vibrate from my entire heart or my entire left or entire
> right
> > breast. At this point, I blamed it on the Phenergen medicine
> > prescribed for nausea post-surgery, which I later found out that
I
> > used too long and the side effects listed are "unusual and
> > uncontrollable muscle twitches".
> >
> > To date, the twitches are exactly the same. I dread going to
sleep
> > every night because I don't know how long I will be tormented
with
> the
> > inability to sleep....or whether I will experience strong enough
> > muscle spasms that wake me with a disturbing start. For the
first
> time
> > in a few weeks, I took Tylenol PM again last night. I actually
slept
> > fairly peacefully. The three weeks prior, I relied on Valerian
root,
> > or even wine -- but I guess that stopped working. Prior to
surgery,
> > sleep problems were very rare, and never to this extent.
> >
> > By now, I have scoured the Internet for hours, realizing how
> unlikely
> > it is that I would have something like MS, MD, ALS or
Parkinson's. I
> > was in perfect health pre-surgery. It HAD to be something
related to
> > the surgery.
> >
> > Two days ago, on a whim, I Googled "saline implant side effects"
and
> > somewhere in that search I happened across your group.
Halleluia! I
> > had found others with my same symptoms. I would rather have the
> > diagnosis and live with the disappointment I surely face (loss
of
> the
> > glorious boobs I just purchased), then to allow my body to
> deteriorate.
> >
> > I am just so thankful I found your site. My gut is telling me
that
> it
> > is my implants, whether it be due to the "loss of zone of
apposition
> > leading to hyperinflation" that I read about in a recent link --
or,
> > simply because of the implant itself.
> >
> > I am absolutely certain when I return to see my surgeon on March
> 13th
> > that he will think I'm insane for blaming the saline implants --
> > though I plan to come armed with as much info as I could print
out.
> He
> > is an extremely reputable PS out of Duke Hospital in Durham,
> > NC.......but when I mentioned my symptoms at two weeks out, he
said
> he
> > had never heard of such complaints.
> >
> > Here's where I am seeking some advice (and I invite you to share
any
> > similar stories -- certainly I could not follow all links going
back
> > to 2000!): I have also scheduled myself a visit to my primary
care
> > doctor on March 5th. Do you have any opinions as to whether I am
> > wasting my time, money and energy? Or, are there some selective
> tests
> > that a GP doc could likely run that I might want to have on
hand --
> to
> > compare to after explant?
> >
> > I have already seen the tests that are suggested in your FAQ
link
> for
> > a rheumatologist to administer. I just don't know that I have the
> > energy for that much......unless there is compelling reason to
do so
> > (i.e. a class action lawsuit in the future, or whatever). I am
also
> > very concerned about having my medical woes go on file at the
GP. It
> > wasn't until I began this research that I found information
stating
> > that your health insurance can JUST DENY YOU COVERAGE? Even the
> > FDA.gov site says it somewhere. How is THAT fair? So....if you
make
> a
> > personal decision to go rollerskating (which we understand
insurance
> > will not pay for) and break a leg in the process, they won't pay
to
> > help you fix it......because you CHOSE to go rollerskating? Of
> course
> > not! I just don't get it. How can they NOT cover explant? Is it
> > because it cannot be proven definitively? Maybe someone can clue
me
> in
> > as to what rights I might have.
> >
> > Anyhow, even if I have no rights, I am prepared to fix this mess
> > myself, just as I was prepared to pay the first go-around. Money
> ends
> > up meaning nothing when your health/life is at stake! Of course,
> it's
> > just too bad I'll have to borrow the money. Why in the world are
> > explants so darned expensive, compared to implants/mastopexy???
> >
> > Also, in your years of being members of this group, have there
been
> > others who have explanted shortly after implant NOT due to
obvious
> > rupture? If so, how soon after? I consider myself VERY lucky
that I
> > can pinpoint the start of my very acute symptoms to be DIRECTLY
> after
> > surgery. Basically, I think it's a waste of time to explore any
> other
> > possibility.
> >
> > Before I forget, I used to have very uncomfortable
gastrointestinal
> > issues until I cut out all grains about six months ago. My body
just
> > couldn't process then. Like a miracle, all was suberb, and I
> suffered
> > NO problems. In the past week, however, my gas problems have
> > resurfaced despite no change in diet (grains). The only thing
> > different is that I have added a high-quality multi-vitamin and
> > magnesium pills into my diet. Have any of you had these types of
> > problems surface out of the blue?
> >
> > Finally, thank you to all of you for taking time to read this
long
> > note. I'm sorry for all the rambling. I welcome all words of
advice,
> > insight and encouragement. I am so completely obsessed with this
> right
> > now that I am having trouble focusing on my children. Never mind
the
> > ACE Personal Trainer exam I am supposed to be studying for!
Mental
> > retention right now is about 10%. My husband thinks I'm rushing
too
> > quickly into this self-diagnosis, and I would LOVE for him to be
> wrong
> > as I love the look of my implanted chest. I'm already mourning
the
> > loss of being able to enjoy new bathing suits at the pool this
> summer.
> > But when he or any doctor, or any other research on the internet
> can't
> > provide me with an answer as to what IS causing my strange
symptoms
> > .......what are my choices??
> >
> > God bless you all,
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > P.S. I don't suppose there is anyone out there who can assure me
> that
> > she had the exact same symptoms as I am having for x weeks/months
> > post-surgery, and then it all went away and she has been living
> > happily ever after since? :)
> >
>

Robbyn,

I'm glad you've found this site.  I had my implants for six months
and started having health problems within a few weeks.  I had daily
migraines, joint swelling, numb fingers and toes, muscle aches,
brain fog, high blood pressure, nausea, shakiness, fatigue, anxiety,
panic attacks - it just seemed like I had new symptoms all the
time.

If you do have your implants removed, insist that the doctor use the
en bloc procedure and remove the capsule in it's entirety.  I
decided to use Dr. Feng in Cleveland, Ohio, because she believes in
implant illness and I knew I could trust her to remove the
capsules.  She did a beautiful job with my explant and I look
great.  I never regretted having the implants removed.  I just
wanted my body back.  My health has improved considerably since
explant, although I do sometimes have setbacks, I am much much
better than I was with implants.

Your new husband loves you, and therefore he will love you without
implants.  I think he'd be much happier to see you in good health.

Sis

--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "rchartier" <rchartier@...>
wrote:
>
> I am 31 and have had my saline implants for almost 6 years. I have
a
> meeting with a PS because of the issues i have been having lately,
and
> in the past 2 days have been doing a lot of research (should have
done
> that years ago i guess) Since Sunday i have had sharp shooting
pains on
> my left side behind the rib cage and up to my breast, some even
shoot
> up to my shoulder. It is beginning to harder as well, hurts to lay
on
> it, or even on my side. I have read some of the stories posted
here and
> the list of side effects that are the same are scary. Migraines,
> shakes, numbness in my arm and hand (mainly left side only) cold
feet
> and hands, in a fog, depression, everything..i am just tired of
being
> sick and drs finding nothing wrong with me. I read one letter
where the
> women contineud to be in denial and i think i am in that stage-i
want
> them out, but how will i look. I am a newlywed as well and my
hubby
> loves the boobs, how will he feel after. I have enough esteem
issues
> and i know this isnt going to help. It really is nice to know that
its
> not just me, and its not in my head. Any advice? How did you
handle it?
> Robbyn
>

I live in Colorado.

Thank you so much for your help.

PS... I am going to an orthopedic doctor tomorrow to have my hip
looked at.  I am thinking it is bursitis?  It has hurt for over a
year and tests reveal nothing.  Should I mention the implants to the
specialist?


-- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Lynda <coss@...> wrote:
>
> Where are you?
>
> We do have a list on this site of plastic
> surgeons who remove implants properly.
>
> No, it does not seem to matter how long you have
> implants.  Some women react immediately, some do not react for many
years.
>
> Lynda
>
>
> At 10:00 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
>
> >How long did you have your implants in? Does it matter how long?
> >
> >Any advice on where to find a doctor who will agree to remove them
> >and one who believes they are causing a problem?
> >
> >--- In
> ><mailto:SalineSupport%
40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com,
> >"freebindi" <bindi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You will get your health back. It may take some time, but you
will.
> >You need to get the implants removed first, though. Your health has
> >no chance until you do that. We've all been through this-- I know
how
> >hard it is. But many of us have recovered our lives and are healthy
> >again. Don't lose hope! You'll get better. just start researching
and
> >planning how you will do it, and get those puppies out!
> > > Bindi
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: spinkscl
> > > To: <mailto:SalineSupport%
40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:47 PM
> > > Subject: [SalineSupport] Re: New Here
> > >
> > >
> > > After reading Beth's story, which I found on Google, I was just
> >so
> > > sad. I do went to get them out, right now, today, ASAP!!
> > >
> > > I am 34 but my body feels like I am 84! Any advice on a doctor I
> > > should see? Is there any financial support? I don't know that I
> >can
> > > afford it but my health is too important - I want to get it
done.
> > >
> > > Any advice would be appreciated. I am so scared that I have
> >ruined
> > > myself for life. I want to feel like my old self again.
> > >
> > > My doctors have put me on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety
> > > medications but they have never mentioned it could be because of
> >my
> > > implants. They have no reason as to why I all the sudden became
> > > depressed (no family history).
> > >
> > > Please give me hope that if I get these out soon that I can
> >recover.
> > >
> > > --- In
> > <mailto:SalineSupport%
40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com,
> > Lynda <coss@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can tell you that many women have felt the same way that you
> > > > do. But, there is hope, because removing your implants can
help
> > > you
> > > > to recover.
> > > >
> > > > Lynda
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 09:23 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I have been feeling just horrible for about 3 months straight
> >now.
> > > Had
> > > > >my implants put in 1999 (saline, through the belly button).
My
> >docs
> > > > >have ran tons of tests and the most they can tell me is that
> >my ANA
> > > > >level in elevated. They ruled out Lupus & RA.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am just devasted after reading testimonials and stories
> >related
> > > to
> > > > >what the implants can cause!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >I am so sad. Feel like I have ruined my entire life.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >----------
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date:
> >2/28/2007 4:09 PM
> > >
> >
> >
>

Where are you?

We do have a list on this site of plastic
surgeons who remove implants properly.

No, it does not seem to matter how long you have
implants.  Some women react immediately, some do not react for many years.

Lynda


At 10:00 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:

>How long did you have your implants in? Does it matter how long?
>
>Any advice on where to find a doctor who will agree to remove them
>and one who believes they are causing a problem?
>
>--- In
><mailto:SalineSupport%40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com,
>"freebindi" <bindi@...> wrote:
> >
> > You will get your health back. It may take some time, but you will.
>You need to get the implants removed first, though. Your health has
>no chance until you do that. We've all been through this-- I know how
>hard it is. But many of us have recovered our lives and are healthy
>again. Don't lose hope! You'll get better. just start researching and
>planning how you will do it, and get those puppies out!
> > Bindi
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: spinkscl
> > To: <mailto:SalineSupport%40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:47 PM
> > Subject: [SalineSupport] Re: New Here
> >
> >
> > After reading Beth's story, which I found on Google, I was just
>so
> > sad. I do went to get them out, right now, today, ASAP!!
> >
> > I am 34 but my body feels like I am 84! Any advice on a doctor I
> > should see? Is there any financial support? I don't know that I
>can
> > afford it but my health is too important - I want to get it done.
> >
> > Any advice would be appreciated. I am so scared that I have
>ruined
> > myself for life. I want to feel like my old self again.
> >
> > My doctors have put me on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety
> > medications but they have never mentioned it could be because of
>my
> > implants. They have no reason as to why I all the sudden became
> > depressed (no family history).
> >
> > Please give me hope that if I get these out soon that I can
>recover.
> >
> > --- In
> <mailto:SalineSupport%40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com,
> Lynda <coss@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can tell you that many women have felt the same way that you
> > > do. But, there is hope, because removing your implants can help
> > you
> > > to recover.
> > >
> > > Lynda
> > >
> > >
> > > At 09:23 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >I have been feeling just horrible for about 3 months straight
>now.
> > Had
> > > >my implants put in 1999 (saline, through the belly button). My
>docs
> > > >have ran tons of tests and the most they can tell me is that
>my ANA
> > > >level in elevated. They ruled out Lupus & RA.
> > > >
> > > >I am just devasted after reading testimonials and stories
>related
> > to
> > > >what the implants can cause!!!
> > > >
> > > >I am so sad. Feel like I have ruined my entire life.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
>----------
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date:
>2/28/2007 4:09 PM
> >
>
>

Hi Bindi,

How long did you have your implants?  Does it matter?

Any advice on where I can find a doctor who agrees that the implants
are causing problems?

--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "freebindi" <bindi@...> wrote:
>
> You will get your health back. It may take some time, but you will.
You need to get the implants removed first, though. Your health has
no chance until you do that. We've all been through this-- I know how
hard it is. But many of us have recovered our lives and are healthy
again. Don't lose hope! You'll get better. just start researching and
planning how you will do it, and get those puppies out!
> Bindi
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: spinkscl
>   To: SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:47 PM
>   Subject: [SalineSupport] Re: New Here
>
>
>   After reading Beth's story, which I found on Google, I was just
so
>   sad. I do went to get them out, right now, today, ASAP!!
>
>   I am 34 but my body feels like I am 84! Any advice on a doctor I
>   should see? Is there any financial support? I don't know that I
can
>   afford it but my health is too important - I want to get it done.
>
>   Any advice would be appreciated. I am so scared that I have
ruined
>   myself for life. I want to feel like my old self again.
>
>   My doctors have put me on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety
>   medications but they have never mentioned it could be because of
my
>   implants. They have no reason as to why I all the sudden became
>   depressed (no family history).
>
>   Please give me hope that if I get these out soon that I can
recover.
>
>   --- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Lynda <coss@> wrote:
>   >
>   > I can tell you that many women have felt the same way that you
>   > do. But, there is hope, because removing your implants can help
>   you
>   > to recover.
>   >
>   > Lynda
>   >
>   >
>   > At 09:23 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
>   >
>   > >I have been feeling just horrible for about 3 months straight
now.
>   Had
>   > >my implants put in 1999 (saline, through the belly button). My
docs
>   > >have ran tons of tests and the most they can tell me is that
my ANA
>   > >level in elevated. They ruled out Lupus & RA.
>   > >
>   > >I am just devasted after reading testimonials and stories
related
>   to
>   > >what the implants can cause!!!
>   > >
>   > >I am so sad. Feel like I have ruined my entire life.
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----------
>
>
>   No virus found in this incoming message.
>   Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>   Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date:
2/28/2007 4:09 PM
>

How long did you have your implants in?  Does it matter how long?

Any advice on where to find a doctor who will agree to remove them
and one who believes they are causing a problem?

--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "freebindi" <bindi@...> wrote:
>
> You will get your health back. It may take some time, but you will.
You need to get the implants removed first, though. Your health has
no chance until you do that. We've all been through this-- I know how
hard it is. But many of us have recovered our lives and are healthy
again. Don't lose hope! You'll get better. just start researching and
planning how you will do it, and get those puppies out!
> Bindi
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: spinkscl
>   To: SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:47 PM
>   Subject: [SalineSupport] Re: New Here
>
>
>   After reading Beth's story, which I found on Google, I was just
so
>   sad. I do went to get them out, right now, today, ASAP!!
>
>   I am 34 but my body feels like I am 84! Any advice on a doctor I
>   should see? Is there any financial support? I don't know that I
can
>   afford it but my health is too important - I want to get it done.
>
>   Any advice would be appreciated. I am so scared that I have
ruined
>   myself for life. I want to feel like my old self again.
>
>   My doctors have put me on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety
>   medications but they have never mentioned it could be because of
my
>   implants. They have no reason as to why I all the sudden became
>   depressed (no family history).
>
>   Please give me hope that if I get these out soon that I can
recover.
>
>   --- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Lynda <coss@> wrote:
>   >
>   > I can tell you that many women have felt the same way that you
>   > do. But, there is hope, because removing your implants can help
>   you
>   > to recover.
>   >
>   > Lynda
>   >
>   >
>   > At 09:23 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
>   >
>   > >I have been feeling just horrible for about 3 months straight
now.
>   Had
>   > >my implants put in 1999 (saline, through the belly button). My
docs
>   > >have ran tons of tests and the most they can tell me is that
my ANA
>   > >level in elevated. They ruled out Lupus & RA.
>   > >
>   > >I am just devasted after reading testimonials and stories
related
>   to
>   > >what the implants can cause!!!
>   > >
>   > >I am so sad. Feel like I have ruined my entire life.
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-Linda,
All I can say right now to you dear girl is you are not alone in
this, and we will help you anyway we can, I know how difficult it is
to take care of children when you become sick. I got sick when my
daughter was 2 months old.It took me ten years to figure it out, So
at least you are aware much sooner and you shouldn't have long
suffering, I have those muscle twitches and spasms but they are
almost gone since explant. We just had someone go through explant
after only 5 weeks of having implants so yes it can happen that
quickly, Please try not to panic and not stree as that will make you
feel worse, you are very lucky that you found this group so early on,
I really mean that I suffered for ten years before any help and about
50 Dr.s, You are on the right track. I was a centerfold and thought I
couldn't have explant surgery and was scared to death but you know
what it all turned out fine. I am still dealing with auto immune
illness now but I got my memory back and my brain fog completely went
away, so there is hope. We wil help you get through this,
Goodbye for now
Terri P


-- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "beingjones" <beingjones@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello Ladies!
>
> My name is Linda. I am a 36-year old mother of four. Five weeks
ago, I
> underwent surgery for mastopexy, sub-pectoral implants (smooth
saline
> moderate profile by Mentor) from barely-B to a C cup, an umbilical
> hernia repair and a partial abdominoplasty where only skin was
removed.
>
> On my third night post surgery, I had the sensation of falling off
> into a deep sleep (almost passing out) and then my whole body would
> jerk, waking me instantly. All night. I felt somehow that the
jerking
> awake was my body's way of saving me from dying during that night. I
> blamed it on the meds.
>
> I switched to Tylenol PM for the night (Tylenol during the day) and
I
> didn't notice much during the nights for the next week. On the 10th
> night post-surgery (the very first time I went to sleep with no
> medicine), I awakened with a strong muscle twitch in my right
tricep.
> 100 beats a minute. You could see it. Others could feel it when they
> touched it. I was unable to go back to sleep until the morning AFTER
> taking a Tylenol PM again. It lasted over 24 hours.
>
> As this odd symptom subsided during the 11th night, all of a sudden,
> little tiny painless muscle twitches began to occur all throughout
my
> entire body, from my face to my toes. Occasionally, a big one would
> seem to vibrate from my entire heart or my entire left or entire
right
> breast. At this point, I blamed it on the Phenergen medicine
> prescribed for nausea post-surgery, which I later found out that I
> used too long and the side effects listed are "unusual and
> uncontrollable muscle twitches".
>
> To date, the twitches are exactly the same. I dread going to sleep
> every night because I don't know how long I will be tormented with
the
> inability to sleep....or whether I will experience strong enough
> muscle spasms that wake me with a disturbing start. For the first
time
> in a few weeks, I took Tylenol PM again last night. I actually slept
> fairly peacefully. The three weeks prior, I relied on Valerian root,
> or even wine -- but I guess that stopped working. Prior to surgery,
> sleep problems were very rare, and never to this extent.
>
> By now, I have scoured the Internet for hours, realizing how
unlikely
> it is that I would have something like MS, MD, ALS or Parkinson's. I
> was in perfect health pre-surgery. It HAD to be something related to
> the surgery.
>
> Two days ago, on a whim, I Googled "saline implant side effects" and
> somewhere in that search I happened across your group. Halleluia! I
> had found others with my same symptoms. I would rather have the
> diagnosis and live with the disappointment I surely face (loss of
the
> glorious boobs I just purchased), then to allow my body to
deteriorate.
>
> I am just so thankful I found your site. My gut is telling me that
it
> is my implants, whether it be due to the "loss of zone of apposition
> leading to hyperinflation" that I read about in a recent link -- or,
> simply because of the implant itself.
>
> I am absolutely certain when I return to see my surgeon on March
13th
> that he will think I'm insane for blaming the saline implants --
> though I plan to come armed with as much info as I could print out.
He
> is an extremely reputable PS out of Duke Hospital in Durham,
> NC.......but when I mentioned my symptoms at two weeks out, he said
he
> had never heard of such complaints.
>
> Here's where I am seeking some advice (and I invite you to share any
> similar stories -- certainly I could not follow all links going back
> to 2000!): I have also scheduled myself a visit to my primary care
> doctor on March 5th. Do you have any opinions as to whether I am
> wasting my time, money and energy? Or, are there some selective
tests
> that a GP doc could likely run that I might want to have on hand --
to
> compare to after explant?
>
> I have already seen the tests that are suggested in your FAQ link
for
> a rheumatologist to administer. I just don't know that I have the
> energy for that much......unless there is compelling reason to do so
> (i.e. a class action lawsuit in the future, or whatever). I am also
> very concerned about having my medical woes go on file at the GP. It
> wasn't until I began this research that I found information stating
> that your health insurance can JUST DENY YOU COVERAGE? Even the
> FDA.gov site says it somewhere. How is THAT fair? So....if you make
a
> personal decision to go rollerskating (which we understand insurance
> will not pay for) and break a leg in the process, they won't pay to
> help you fix it......because you CHOSE to go rollerskating? Of
course
> not! I just don't get it. How can they NOT cover explant? Is it
> because it cannot be proven definitively? Maybe someone can clue me
in
> as to what rights I might have.
>
> Anyhow, even if I have no rights, I am prepared to fix this mess
> myself, just as I was prepared to pay the first go-around. Money
ends
> up meaning nothing when your health/life is at stake! Of course,
it's
> just too bad I'll have to borrow the money. Why in the world are
> explants so darned expensive, compared to implants/mastopexy???
>
> Also, in your years of being members of this group, have there been
> others who have explanted shortly after implant NOT due to obvious
> rupture? If so, how soon after? I consider myself VERY lucky that I
> can pinpoint the start of my very acute symptoms to be DIRECTLY
after
> surgery. Basically, I think it's a waste of time to explore any
other
> possibility.
>
> Before I forget, I used to have very uncomfortable gastrointestinal
> issues until I cut out all grains about six months ago. My body just
> couldn't process then. Like a miracle, all was suberb, and I
suffered
> NO problems. In the past week, however, my gas problems have
> resurfaced despite no change in diet (grains). The only thing
> different is that I have added a high-quality multi-vitamin and
> magnesium pills into my diet. Have any of you had these types of
> problems surface out of the blue?
>
> Finally, thank you to all of you for taking time to read this long
> note. I'm sorry for all the rambling. I welcome all words of advice,
> insight and encouragement. I am so completely obsessed with this
right
> now that I am having trouble focusing on my children. Never mind the
> ACE Personal Trainer exam I am supposed to be studying for! Mental
> retention right now is about 10%. My husband thinks I'm rushing too
> quickly into this self-diagnosis, and I would LOVE for him to be
wrong
> as I love the look of my implanted chest. I'm already mourning the
> loss of being able to enjoy new bathing suits at the pool this
summer.
> But when he or any doctor, or any other research on the internet
can't
> provide me with an answer as to what IS causing my strange symptoms
> .......what are my choices??
>
> God bless you all,
>
> Linda
>
> P.S. I don't suppose there is anyone out there who can assure me
that
> she had the exact same symptoms as I am having for x weeks/months
> post-surgery, and then it all went away and she has been living
> happily ever after since? :)
>

----- Original Message -----

From: spinkscl

To: SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:47 PM

Subject: [SalineSupport] Re: New Here

After reading Beth's story, which I found on Google, I was just so
sad. I do went to get them out, right now, today, ASAP!!

I am 34 but my body feels like I am 84! Any advice on a doctor I
should see? Is there any financial support? I don't know that I can
afford it but my health is too important - I want to get it done.

Any advice would be appreciated. I am so scared that I have ruined
myself for life. I want to feel like my old self again.

My doctors have put me on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety
medications but they have never mentioned it could be because of my
implants. They have no reason as to why I all the sudden became
depressed (no family history).

Please give me hope that if I get these out soon that I can recover.

--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Lynda <coss@...> wrote:
>
> I can tell you that many women have felt the same way that you
> do. But, there is hope, because removing your implants can help
you
> to recover.
>
> Lynda
>
>
> At 09:23 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
>
> >I have been feeling just horrible for about 3 months straight now.
Had
> >my implants put in 1999 (saline, through the belly button). My docs
> >have ran tons of tests and the most they can tell me is that my ANA
> >level in elevated. They ruled out Lupus & RA.
> >
> >I am just devasted after reading testimonials and stories related
to
> >what the implants can cause!!!
> >
> >I am so sad. Feel like I have ruined my entire life.
> >
> >
>

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Same place you went online, it was when everyone was here talikng
about it , it is ten dollars  I got a relly bad score,
Terri P


--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "sedwards41255"
<sedwards41255@...> wrote:
>
> Terri,
> Did you do the online test at Dr. Shoemakers website too or did you
> do the test elsewhere?
> Sandra
> -- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa Peake"
> <peaketeresa@> wrote:
> >
> > -Lynda,
> > I was positive when I did it. VCS on the biotoxins.
> > Terri P
> >
> >
> > -- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Lynda <coss@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sandra,
> > >
> > > Where did you do this eye test online?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Lynda
> > >
> > >
> > > At 05:20 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Rogene,
> > > >I did this eye test online and passed it easily. I was
thankful
> for
> > > >that.
> > > >I too think Getchens plastic surgeon might have a lot to do
> with
> > the
> > > >problems....and I just hope and pray he did not do permanent
> damage
> > > >or leak the inside of the new silicone gel into her body.
> > > >It would be helpful to hear a little more....
> > > >I get upset just thinking about it.
> > > >Sandra
> > > >
> > > >--- In
> > > ><mailto:SalineSupport%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com,
> > > >Rogene S <saxony01@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The eye test is Visual Contrast Sensitivity . . . VCS . . .
> > > > >
> > > > > You can do this online for about ten bucks . . .
> > > > >
> > > > > A web search will take you right there.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry to hear Gretchen is having such a horrible
> > time! . . . I
> > > >was afraid of that! . . . As much as I dislike implants, I
> think
> > her
> > > >plastic surgeon had more to do with her problems than the
> implants.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did Dr. Kolb say anything about that - that you can share?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rogene
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

After reading Beth's story, which I found on Google, I was just so
sad.  I do went to get them out, right now, today, ASAP!!

I am 34 but my body feels like I am 84!  Any advice on a doctor I
should see?  Is there any financial support?  I don't know that I can
afford it but my health is too important - I want to get it done.

Any advice would be appreciated.  I am so scared that I have ruined
myself for life.  I want to feel like my old self again.

My doctors have put me on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety
medications but they have never mentioned it could be because of my
implants.  They have no reason as to why I all the sudden became
depressed (no family history).

Please give me hope that if I get these out soon that I can recover.


--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Lynda <coss@...> wrote:
>
> I can tell you that many women have felt the same way that you
> do.  But, there is hope, because removing your implants can help
you
> to recover.
>
> Lynda
>
>
> At 09:23 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
>
> >I have been feeling just horrible for about 3 months straight now.
Had
> >my implants put in 1999 (saline, through the belly button). My docs
> >have ran tons of tests and the most they can tell me is that my ANA
> >level in elevated. They ruled out Lupus & RA.
> >
> >I am just devasted after reading testimonials and stories related
to
> >what the implants can cause!!!
> >
> >I am so sad. Feel like I have ruined my entire life.
> >
> >
>

--I like Ambian and have to take it even though insurance doesn't
cover it.
Terri P


- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, jumpony <ltolkin@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone had any experiences, good or bad, with ambien that they
> are willing to share?
> thanks.
> Laurie
> On Feb 28, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Teresa Peake wrote:
>
> > -Same thing with me, I wake up and say oh I guess I am awake and
not
> > in Heaven. Guess God has plans for all of us.
> > Terri P
> >
> > -- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, toxicsalines@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Beth,
> > >
> > > I told myself that a million times, guess I woke up? I am not
> > dead? Weird
> > > we all think so much alike with this sickness...... Some times I
> > would lay in
> > > bed and think God I am ready to die, I figured maybe I would
just
> > wake up in
> > > heaven.... Never did die, so guess not my time to go, I have
work
> > on this earth
> > > to do..... God spared me no doubt in my mind......
> > >
> > > God Bless
> > >
> > > Maria~
> > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now
> > offers free
> > > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at
> > > http://www.aol.com.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

-I saw an ad the other day that was selling inserts and I was very
excited it did say, 'why get dangerous implants when you can try a
safer alternative.'
Terri P

-- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, toxicsalines@... wrote:
>
> Rogene,
>
> This is even sicker........ Get Sexy it says, OMG    _Denver Breast
> Augmentation | Breast Implants, Enhancements, Reduction and othe_
> (http://www.denverbreastaug.com/)
>
>
> Should say Get Sick not Sexy........
> <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now
offers free
> email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free from AOL at
> http://www.aol.com.
>

Oh, I feel so bad for Gretchen.  I hope someone in her family called
Dr. Kolb to let her know what's happening.  Her parents have got to
be terribly upset with all of this, too.  I pray that she'll get her
health back soon.

This morning I was venting to my husband about my implanting plastic
surgeon, and how I hope that he is eternally haunted by those of us
who he hurt.  My husband said "it's not his fault, he didn't force
you to go to his office, they still have alcohol and cigarettes
available even though people become addicted".  Just when I think my
husband "gets it", I realize he doesn't.  Anyway, I said to him "the
difference here is that everyone knows the risks involved when you
drink or smoke - with implants we are not told that they can destroy
our health.  If I knew all of this would happen, I never would have
gotten them.  I chose not to smoke or drink because I value my
health, but the doctor looked me in the eye and told me implants
were safe".  I just can't believe after all we've been through
because of implants that he would even say such a ridiculous thing.
I then said "what if there was a car that we bought, and the
manufacturer knew that 10% of those cars would just randomly
explode, but they didn't tell the consumers.  How would you feel if
I bought one of those cars and it exploded, and the manufacturer
knew about it and just didn't bother to tell anyone?".

Sis


--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "freebindi" <bindi@...> wrote:
>
> Poor thing! I hope she's okay. I wonder how we might help, other
than continue to be available for her here.
> Bindi
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: toxicsalines@...
>   To: SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:16 PM
>   Subject: Re: [SalineSupport] Gretchen Update
>
>
>
>   To all,
>
>   Talked to Gretchen, she had a siezure and was in the hospital...
She is ok, but can't remember her passwords to get into the site...
I told her to not worry we would all keep her in our prayers and get
some rest.... The password will come back to her sometime soon.....
She needs to rest! Thank God she is OK.... She sounded better
somewhat but lost and confused... Barely remembering anything....
How sad implants did this another young lady..
>
>   God Bless
>
>   Maria~
>
>
>
>
>
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>

hi Linda,
You have come to the right place.  I made my discovery by "googling"
as well.  See my thank you note to Beth that I posted a few minutes
ago.  Actually, if you check the google site and find her story it
was a pretty quick reaction to saline implants .  The women here are
a wealth of information and recommendations.
Marsha

--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "beingjones" <beingjones@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello Ladies!
>
> My name is Linda. I am a 36-year old mother of four. Five weeks
ago, I
> underwent surgery for mastopexy, sub-pectoral implants (smooth
saline
> moderate profile by Mentor) from barely-B to a C cup, an umbilical
> hernia repair and a partial abdominoplasty where only skin was
removed.
>
> On my third night post surgery, I had the sensation of falling off
> into a deep sleep (almost passing out) and then my whole body would
> jerk, waking me instantly. All night. I felt somehow that the
jerking
> awake was my body's way of saving me from dying during that night.
I
> blamed it on the meds.
>
> I switched to Tylenol PM for the night (Tylenol during the day)
and I
> didn't notice much during the nights for the next week. On the 10th
> night post-surgery (the very first time I went to sleep with no
> medicine), I awakened with a strong muscle twitch in my right
tricep.
> 100 beats a minute. You could see it. Others could feel it when
they
> touched it. I was unable to go back to sleep until the morning
AFTER
> taking a Tylenol PM again. It lasted over 24 hours.
>
> As this odd symptom subsided during the 11th night, all of a
sudden,
> little tiny painless muscle twitches began to occur all throughout
my
> entire body, from my face to my toes. Occasionally, a big one would
> seem to vibrate from my entire heart or my entire left or entire
right
> breast. At this point, I blamed it on the Phenergen medicine
> prescribed for nausea post-surgery, which I later found out that I
> used too long and the side effects listed are "unusual and
> uncontrollable muscle twitches".
>
> To date, the twitches are exactly the same. I dread going to sleep
> every night because I don't know how long I will be tormented with
the
> inability to sleep....or whether I will experience strong enough
> muscle spasms that wake me with a disturbing start. For the first
time
> in a few weeks, I took Tylenol PM again last night. I actually
slept
> fairly peacefully. The three weeks prior, I relied on Valerian
root,
> or even wine -- but I guess that stopped working. Prior to surgery,
> sleep problems were very rare, and never to this extent.
>
> By now, I have scoured the Internet for hours, realizing how
unlikely
> it is that I would have something like MS, MD, ALS or Parkinson's.
I
> was in perfect health pre-surgery. It HAD to be something related
to
> the surgery.
>
> Two days ago, on a whim, I Googled "saline implant side effects"
and
> somewhere in that search I happened across your group. Halleluia! I
> had found others with my same symptoms. I would rather have the
> diagnosis and live with the disappointment I surely face (loss of
the
> glorious boobs I just purchased), then to allow my body to
deteriorate.
>
> I am just so thankful I found your site. My gut is telling me that
it
> is my implants, whether it be due to the "loss of zone of
apposition
> leading to hyperinflation" that I read about in a recent link --
or,
> simply because of the implant itself.
>
> I am absolutely certain when I return to see my surgeon on March
13th
> that he will think I'm insane for blaming the saline implants --
> though I plan to come armed with as much info as I could print
out. He
> is an extremely reputable PS out of Duke Hospital in Durham,
> NC.......but when I mentioned my symptoms at two weeks out, he
said he
> had never heard of such complaints.
>
> Here's where I am seeking some advice (and I invite you to share
any
> similar stories -- certainly I could not follow all links going
back
> to 2000!): I have also scheduled myself a visit to my primary care
> doctor on March 5th. Do you have any opinions as to whether I am
> wasting my time, money and energy? Or, are there some selective
tests
> that a GP doc could likely run that I might want to have on hand --
  to
> compare to after explant?
>
> I have already seen the tests that are suggested in your FAQ link
for
> a rheumatologist to administer. I just don't know that I have the
> energy for that much......unless there is compelling reason to do
so
> (i.e. a class action lawsuit in the future, or whatever). I am also
> very concerned about having my medical woes go on file at the GP.
It
> wasn't until I began this research that I found information stating
> that your health insurance can JUST DENY YOU COVERAGE? Even the
> FDA.gov site says it somewhere. How is THAT fair? So....if you
make a
> personal decision to go rollerskating (which we understand
insurance
> will not pay for) and break a leg in the process, they won't pay to
> help you fix it......because you CHOSE to go rollerskating? Of
course
> not! I just don't get it. How can they NOT cover explant? Is it
> because it cannot be proven definitively? Maybe someone can clue
me in
> as to what rights I might have.
>
> Anyhow, even if I have no rights, I am prepared to fix this mess
> myself, just as I was prepared to pay the first go-around. Money
ends
> up meaning nothing when your health/life is at stake! Of course,
it's
> just too bad I'll have to borrow the money. Why in the world are
> explants so darned expensive, compared to implants/mastopexy???
>
> Also, in your years of being members of this group, have there been
> others who have explanted shortly after implant NOT due to obvious
> rupture? If so, how soon after? I consider myself VERY lucky that I
> can pinpoint the start of my very acute symptoms to be DIRECTLY
after
> surgery. Basically, I think it's a waste of time to explore any
other
> possibility.
>
> Before I forget, I used to have very uncomfortable gastrointestinal
> issues until I cut out all grains about six months ago. My body
just
> couldn't process then. Like a miracle, all was suberb, and I
suffered
> NO problems. In the past week, however, my gas problems have
> resurfaced despite no change in diet (grains). The only thing
> different is that I have added a high-quality multi-vitamin and
> magnesium pills into my diet. Have any of you had these types of
> problems surface out of the blue?
>
> Finally, thank you to all of you for taking time to read this long
> note. I'm sorry for all the rambling. I welcome all words of
advice,
> insight and encouragement. I am so completely obsessed with this
right
> now that I am having trouble focusing on my children. Never mind
the
> ACE Personal Trainer exam I am supposed to be studying for! Mental
> retention right now is about 10%. My husband thinks I'm rushing too
> quickly into this self-diagnosis, and I would LOVE for him to be
wrong
> as I love the look of my implanted chest. I'm already mourning the
> loss of being able to enjoy new bathing suits at the pool this
summer.
> But when he or any doctor, or any other research on the internet
can't
> provide me with an answer as to what IS causing my strange symptoms
> .......what are my choices??
>
> God bless you all,
>
> Linda
>
> P.S. I don't suppose there is anyone out there who can assure me
that
> she had the exact same symptoms as I am having for x weeks/months
> post-surgery, and then it all went away and she has been living
> happily ever after since? :)
>

I can tell you that many women have felt the same way that you
do.  But, there is hope, because removing your implants can help you
to recover.

Lynda


At 09:23 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:

>I have been feeling just horrible for about 3 months straight now. Had
>my implants put in 1999 (saline, through the belly button). My docs
>have ran tons of tests and the most they can tell me is that my ANA
>level in elevated. They ruled out Lupus & RA.
>
>I am just devasted after reading testimonials and stories related to
>what the implants can cause!!!
>
>I am so sad. Feel like I have ruined my entire life.
>
>

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Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [SalineSupport] Gretchen Update

To all,

 

Talked to Gretchen, she had a siezure and was in the hospital... She is ok, but can't remember her passwords to get into the site... I told her to not worry we would all keep her in our prayers and get some rest.... The password will come back to her sometime soon..... She needs to rest! Thank God she is OK.... She sounded better somewhat but lost and confused... Barely remembering anything.... How sad implants did this another young lady..

 

God Bless

 

Maria~

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Beth,
What a concidence to *see* you here on this message board. My name is
Marsha, I emailed you about a year and a half ago when I came across
you story online.  I was having major muscle twitches while I was
watching the Jerry Lewis telethon and totally freaking out....thinking
I had ALS or something.  On a whim I googled "breast implants and
muscle twitches" and found your story and your recommendation for Dr
Kolb.  We never got to meet but you worked right down the street from
where I live in Alpharetta and we spoke on the phone a few times.  It
has been a long road and 3 surgeries...muscle twitches are 90% gone
and I am feeling better.  I could be more diligent with the
supplements but I get so tired of taking pills.  I remember your
suggesting the infrared saunas...I am looking to purchase one as
well.  Anyway, I just wanted to say "thank you" for your consult back
then and I hope you are doing well.  Did you say you moved?
Keep in touch.
Marsha

I have been feeling just horrible for about 3 months straight now.  Had
my implants put in 1999 (saline, through the belly button).  My docs
have ran tons of tests and the most they can tell me is that my ANA
level in elevated.  They ruled out Lupus & RA.

I am just devasted after reading testimonials and stories related to
what the implants can cause!!!

I am so sad.  Feel like I have ruined my entire life.

Hello Ladies!

My name is Linda. I am a 36-year old mother of four. Five weeks ago, I
underwent surgery for mastopexy, sub-pectoral implants (smooth saline
moderate profile by Mentor) from barely-B to a C cup, an umbilical
hernia repair and a partial abdominoplasty where only skin was removed.

On my third night post surgery, I had the sensation of falling off
into a deep sleep (almost passing out) and then my whole body would
jerk, waking me instantly. All night. I felt somehow that the jerking
awake was my body's way of saving me from dying during that night. I
blamed it on the meds.

I switched to Tylenol PM for the night (Tylenol during the day) and I
didn't notice much during the nights for the next week. On the 10th
night post-surgery (the very first time I went to sleep with no
medicine), I awakened with a strong muscle twitch in my right tricep.
100 beats a minute. You could see it. Others could feel it when they
touched it. I was unable to go back to sleep until the morning AFTER
taking a Tylenol PM again. It lasted over 24 hours.

As this odd symptom subsided during the 11th night, all of a sudden,
little tiny painless muscle twitches began to occur all throughout my
entire body, from my face to my toes. Occasionally, a big one would
seem to vibrate from my entire heart or my entire left or entire right
breast. At this point, I blamed it on the Phenergen medicine
prescribed for nausea post-surgery, which I later found out that I
used too long and the side effects listed are "unusual and
uncontrollable muscle twitches".

To date, the twitches are exactly the same. I dread going to sleep
every night because I don't know how long I will be tormented with the
inability to sleep....or whether I will experience strong enough
muscle spasms that wake me with a disturbing start. For the first time
in a few weeks, I took Tylenol PM again last night. I actually slept
fairly peacefully. The three weeks prior, I relied on Valerian root,
or even wine -- but I guess that stopped working. Prior to surgery,
sleep problems were very rare, and never to this extent.

By now, I have scoured the Internet for hours, realizing how unlikely
it is that I would have something like MS, MD, ALS or Parkinson's. I
was in perfect health pre-surgery. It HAD to be something related to
the surgery.

Two days ago, on a whim, I Googled "saline implant side effects" and
somewhere in that search I happened across your group. Halleluia! I
had found others with my same symptoms. I would rather have the
diagnosis and live with the disappointment I surely face (loss of the
glorious boobs I just purchased), then to allow my body to deteriorate.

I am just so thankful I found your site. My gut is telling me that it
is my implants, whether it be due to the "loss of zone of apposition
leading to hyperinflation" that I read about in a recent link -- or,
simply because of the implant itself.

I am absolutely certain when I return to see my surgeon on March 13th
that he will think I'm insane for blaming the saline implants --
though I plan to come armed with as much info as I could print out. He
is an extremely reputable PS out of Duke Hospital in Durham,
NC.......but when I mentioned my symptoms at two weeks out, he said he
had never heard of such complaints.

Here's where I am seeking some advice (and I invite you to share any
similar stories -- certainly I could not follow all links going back
to 2000!): I have also scheduled myself a visit to my primary care
doctor on March 5th. Do you have any opinions as to whether I am
wasting my time, money and energy? Or, are there some selective tests
that a GP doc could likely run that I might want to have on hand -- to
compare to after explant?

I have already seen the tests that are suggested in your FAQ link for
a rheumatologist to administer. I just don't know that I have the
energy for that much......unless there is compelling reason to do so
(i.e. a class action lawsuit in the future, or whatever). I am also
very concerned about having my medical woes go on file at the GP. It
wasn't until I began this research that I found information stating
that your health insurance can JUST DENY YOU COVERAGE? Even the
FDA.gov site says it somewhere. How is THAT fair? So....if you make a
personal decision to go rollerskating (which we understand insurance
will not pay for) and break a leg in the process, they won't pay to
help you fix it......because you CHOSE to go rollerskating? Of course
not! I just don't get it. How can they NOT cover explant? Is it
because it cannot be proven definitively? Maybe someone can clue me in
as to what rights I might have.

Anyhow, even if I have no rights, I am prepared to fix this mess
myself, just as I was prepared to pay the first go-around. Money ends
up meaning nothing when your health/life is at stake! Of course, it's
just too bad I'll have to borrow the money. Why in the world are
explants so darned expensive, compared to implants/mastopexy???

Also, in your years of being members of this group, have there been
others who have explanted shortly after implant NOT due to obvious
rupture? If so, how soon after? I consider myself VERY lucky that I
can pinpoint the start of my very acute symptoms to be DIRECTLY after
surgery. Basically, I think it's a waste of time to explore any other
possibility.

Before I forget, I used to have very uncomfortable gastrointestinal
issues until I cut out all grains about six months ago. My body just
couldn't process then. Like a miracle, all was suberb, and I suffered
NO problems. In the past week, however, my gas problems have
resurfaced despite no change in diet (grains). The only thing
different is that I have added a high-quality multi-vitamin and
magnesium pills into my diet. Have any of you had these types of
problems surface out of the blue?

Finally, thank you to all of you for taking time to read this long
note. I'm sorry for all the rambling. I welcome all words of advice,
insight and encouragement. I am so completely obsessed with this right
now that I am having trouble focusing on my children. Never mind the
ACE Personal Trainer exam I am supposed to be studying for! Mental
retention right now is about 10%. My husband thinks I'm rushing too
quickly into this self-diagnosis, and I would LOVE for him to be wrong
as I love the look of my implanted chest. I'm already mourning the
loss of being able to enjoy new bathing suits at the pool this summer.
But when he or any doctor, or any other research on the internet can't
provide me with an answer as to what IS causing my strange symptoms
.......what are my choices??

God bless you all,

Linda

P.S. I don't suppose there is anyone out there who can assure me that
she had the exact same symptoms as I am having for x weeks/months
post-surgery, and then it all went away and she has been living
happily ever after since? :)

Lynda,
Yes this is where I took the test.  As I recall, you have to answer
some questions first...then the vision test pops up.  It really was
quite interesting for me. And I felt that consider Dr. Shoemakers
background in neurotoxins and the fact Dr. Kolb mentions him...it
was a good indicator...without having to travel to a doctor .
Sandra

  --- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "sedwards41255"
<sedwards41255@...> wrote:
>
> Lynda,
> I think it was here:
> www.chronicneurotoxins.com
>
> I am trying to double check that this was the site I used.  It was
9
> to 10 months ago.  There was a charge, as I recall.
> They suggested you take this online test..to determine if you need
> further testing.  I didn't....not according to the Visual Test.
>
> It is all sorts of squiggly lines and as they change direction,
you
> answer questions...
>
> Sandra
>
>
> --- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Lynda <coss@> wrote:
> >
> > Where online do you find this test?
> >
> > Lynda
> >
> >
> > At 05:47 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
> >
> > >-Lynda,
> > >I was positive when I did it. VCS on the biotoxins.
> > >Terri P
> > >
> > >-- In
> > ><mailto:SalineSupport%
> 40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com,
> > >Lynda <coss@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sandra,
> > > >
> > > > Where did you do this eye test online?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Lynda
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 05:20 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Rogene,
> > > > >I did this eye test online and passed it easily. I was
> thankful for
> > > > >that.
> > > > >I too think Getchens plastic surgeon might have a lot to do
> with
> > >the
> > > > >problems....and I just hope and pray he did not do
permanent
> damage
> > > > >or leak the inside of the new silicone gel into her body.
> > > > >It would be helpful to hear a little more....
> > > > >I get upset just thinking about it.
> > > > >Sandra
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In
> > > > ><mailto:SalineSupport%
> > >40yahoogroups.com><mailto:SalineSupport%
> 40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com,
> > >
> > > > >Rogene S <saxony01@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The eye test is Visual Contrast Sensitivity . . .
VCS . . .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can do this online for about ten bucks . . .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A web search will take you right there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm sorry to hear Gretchen is having such a horrible
> > >time! . . . I
> > > > >was afraid of that! . . . As much as I dislike implants, I
> think
> > >her
> > > > >plastic surgeon had more to do with her problems than the
> implants.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did Dr. Kolb say anything about that - that you can
share?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rogene
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Terri,
Did you do the online test at Dr. Shoemakers website too or did you
do the test elsewhere?
Sandra
-- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa Peake"
<peaketeresa@...> wrote:
>
> -Lynda,
> I was positive when I did it. VCS on the biotoxins.
> Terri P
>
>
> -- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Lynda <coss@> wrote:
> >
> > Sandra,
> >
> > Where did you do this eye test online?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lynda
> >
> >
> > At 05:20 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
> >
> > >Rogene,
> > >I did this eye test online and passed it easily. I was thankful
for
> > >that.
> > >I too think Getchens plastic surgeon might have a lot to do
with
> the
> > >problems....and I just hope and pray he did not do permanent
damage
> > >or leak the inside of the new silicone gel into her body.
> > >It would be helpful to hear a little more....
> > >I get upset just thinking about it.
> > >Sandra
> > >
> > >--- In
> > ><mailto:SalineSupport%
> 40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com,
> > >Rogene S <saxony01@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The eye test is Visual Contrast Sensitivity . . . VCS . . .
> > > >
> > > > You can do this online for about ten bucks . . .
> > > >
> > > > A web search will take you right there.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry to hear Gretchen is having such a horrible
> time! . . . I
> > >was afraid of that! . . . As much as I dislike implants, I
think
> her
> > >plastic surgeon had more to do with her problems than the
implants.
> > > >
> > > > Did Dr. Kolb say anything about that - that you can share?
> > > >
> > > > Rogene
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Lynda,
I think it was here:
www.chronicneurotoxins.com

I am trying to double check that this was the site I used.  It was 9
to 10 months ago.  There was a charge, as I recall.
They suggested you take this online test..to determine if you need
further testing.  I didn't....not according to the Visual Test.

It is all sorts of squiggly lines and as they change direction, you
answer questions...

Sandra


--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Lynda <coss@...> wrote:
>
> Where online do you find this test?
>
> Lynda
>
>
> At 05:47 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
>
> >-Lynda,
> >I was positive when I did it. VCS on the biotoxins.
> >Terri P
> >
> >-- In
> ><mailto:SalineSupport%
40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com,
> >Lynda <coss@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sandra,
> > >
> > > Where did you do this eye test online?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Lynda
> > >
> > >
> > > At 05:20 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Rogene,
> > > >I did this eye test online and passed it easily. I was
thankful for
> > > >that.
> > > >I too think Getchens plastic surgeon might have a lot to do
with
> >the
> > > >problems....and I just hope and pray he did not do permanent
damage
> > > >or leak the inside of the new silicone gel into her body.
> > > >It would be helpful to hear a little more....
> > > >I get upset just thinking about it.
> > > >Sandra
> > > >
> > > >--- In
> > > ><mailto:SalineSupport%
> >40yahoogroups.com><mailto:SalineSupport%
40yahoogroups.com>SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com,
> >
> > > >Rogene S <saxony01@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The eye test is Visual Contrast Sensitivity . . . VCS . . .
> > > > >
> > > > > You can do this online for about ten bucks . . .
> > > > >
> > > > > A web search will take you right there.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry to hear Gretchen is having such a horrible
> >time! . . . I
> > > >was afraid of that! . . . As much as I dislike implants, I
think
> >her
> > > >plastic surgeon had more to do with her problems than the
implants.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did Dr. Kolb say anything about that - that you can share?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rogene
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Stacie,
I had to run a dedicated line for my sauna. Didn't want things to
blow out. Mine was from Sunlight Saunas.
Sandra

--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:
>
> Stacie,
>
> Check to see if the breaker is large enough for the load the
sauna pulls. . .
>
> Our breaker flips quite often . . . That's OK, because it's
usually during a storm. I'd just as soon be protected as not.
>
> Rogene
>
>
>
> Stacie Hall <staciehall40@...> wrote:
> Beth,
>
> I will look that up about the mold warriors. I defintently think
that is
> alot of my problem. I notice I react to certain foods and things
like that.
> I just sent off for a gluten test, Im wondering if I am allergic
to wheat
> now since all this. I have not been to a Dr lately because I got
so burnt
> out on them always acting like I was nuts and there was nothing
reallly
> wrong with me. I saw an endocronlogist about a year and a half ago
and he
> said I was fine. I did however spend 4 hours in the er a while
back, my
> hands turned blue and were very cold I felt like I was having a
stroke or
> something, there again they found nothing wrong. They said maybe
it was
> raynauds. Who knows. Anyway it is so funny that you got on this
site
> yesterday because it has been quite some time since I have been on
here. Oh
> yeah we did buy a sauna however I have not used it yet because we
are having
> trouble getting it to come on.
> Take Care,
> Stacie
>
>
> >From: "bethlakey"
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> >hey girl! It is so good to hear from you. I'm so glad to hear you
> >are better, we were a mess weren't we? I still have a picture of
you
> >on my cell phone. Ah, Shoemaker treatments. Go to his site at
> >moldwarriors.com, you can get the book from amazon.com Dr. Kolb
> >tested my MSH and HLA, and it's looking more and more that low
MSH is
> >from biotoxin exposure. The treatment can be pretty complex. I
took
> >Cholestyramine twice; I also took a lot of antifungals. I think Dr
> >Kolb put me on antifungals three times. That stuff is hard to
kill I
> >think. I had a brain MRI and the thyroid showed up on there. This
> >was my second set of scans, but I think this was the first time
that
> >someone could actually feel it, so I think it,lol,they are
growing.
> >Anyway, I work for a hospital now and was able to see an
> >endocrinologist pretty quickly. I had an ultrasound today and will
> >wait to hear what they say about it. Everything else is gone,
except
> >the tingling in my face.
> >
> >How are you?
> >
> >hugs,
> >Beth
> >
> >
> >--- In SalineSupport@yahoogroups.com, "Stacie Hall"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Beth,
> > >
> > > so good tohear from you, I think about you often and have
wondered
> >how you
> > > were doing. I too still deal with some implant issues but
overall
> >think I am
> > > better. Just curious what are the shomaker treatments? Also how
> >did your
> > > dr discover the goiters on your thyroid? The dr always seems to
> >think my
> > > thryoid is fine however I feel differently, and thyroid issues
are
> >very
> > > common in my family.
> > > Take Care,
> > > Stacie Hall
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "bethlakey"
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> > > >Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > >I see there are some new people here. For those that I
haven't met
> > > >yet, my story is here, Files > A Real Look at Life with Breast
> > > >Implants > Beth L's Experience. I hope I can be of some help
to
> >those
> > > >who are hurting, and have experienced neurological problems
from
> >their
> > > >implants. My explanting doctor was Dr Kolb and she treated me
for
> > > >about two years, until my family moved to the GA coast. I am
> >doing a
> > > >lot better now, just have some continued tingling in my face,
but
> > > >numerous other symptoms have abated. I still have a MSH of 8,
and
> > > >have done the Shoemaker treatments a few times. My
> > > >doctor has found some goiters on my thyroid and am getting
that
> > > >evaluated. That's about it; I feel better than where I was in
> >2003.
> > > >
> > > >Hope to hear from you,
> > > >:)Beth
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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