On Thursday, we received (after almost 1.5 years of asking, planning, begging, etc) an Automatic External Defib (AED) to be placed in the lobby of Sackler. This is the first AED on campus (and the first AED in a medical school in Israel). Perhaps we can take advantage of this and sponsor the event?
- Ideas: Journal Club with an article about Sudden Cardiac Arrest and AED Flyers around the halls about AEDs and Public Access Defib Progams A cardiologist/ER doc to come speak at the opening ceremony?
Any thoughts... Matthew
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Of the 6whole people who
participated in this week¢s case, each got the answer correct (answer
a). Thank you for participating, but seeing as only 6 out of the groups
23 people participated, I have to ask what is it that you would like to see
done in this group that would make it better? I am still open to
suggestions. Would you like to start a journal club? Start biweekly
meetings? Both? Other suggestions?
Glenn
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Of the 6whole people who
participated in this week’s case, each got the answer correct (answer
a). Thank you for participating, but seeing as only 6 out of the groups
23 people participated, I have to ask what is it that you would like to see
done in this group that would make it better? I am still open to
suggestions. Would you like to start a journal club? Start biweekly
meetings? Both? Other suggestions?
The following Sackler911 poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: A 51-year-old man is brought to the ED by EMS with a BP 90/60
mmHg, HR 110 beats per minute, RR 18 breaths per minute, and oxygen saturation
of 97% on room air. The patient tells you that he has a history of bleeding
ulcers. On exam, his abdomen is tender in the epigastric area. He is guaiac
positive (pressence of fecal occult blood) with black stool. He has a bout of
hematemesis (vomiting blood) and you notice that his blood pressure is now 80/50
mm Hg, HR is 114 beats per minute, and the patient is starting to drift off.
Which of the following is the most appropriate next step in therapy?
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Assess airway, establish two large-bore IVs, cross-match for two units of
blood, administer 1-2 liters of normal saline, and schedule an emergent
endoscopy, 6 votes, 100.00%
- Assess airway, establish two large-bore IVs, crossmatch for two units of
blood, and administer a proton pump inhibitor, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Place two large-bore IVs, crossmatch for two units of blood, administer a 1-2
liters of normal saline, and schedule an emergent endoscopy, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Intubate the patient, establish two large-bore IVs, cross-match for two units
of blood, administer a 1-2 liters of normal saline, and schedule an emergent
endoscopy, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Intubate the patient, establish two large-bore IVs, crossmatch for two units
of blood, and administer a proton pump inhibitor, 0 votes, 0.00%
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Just wanted to remind everyone that there is a case up on
the yahoo group. Only 6 people have participated so far. If you would like to
participate, please do so.
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Sackler911 group:
A 51-year-old man is brought to the ED by EMS with a BP 90/60 mmHg, HR 110 beats
per minute, RR 18 breaths per minute, and oxygen saturation of 97% on room air.
The patient tells you that he has a history of bleeding ulcers. On exam, his
abdomen is tender in the epigastric area. He is guaiac positive (pressence of
fecal occult blood) with black stool. He has a bout of hematemesis (vomiting
blood) and you notice that his blood pressure is now 80/50 mm Hg, HR is 114
beats per minute, and the patient is starting to drift off. Which of the
following is the most appropriate next step in therapy?
o Assess airway, establish two large-bore IVs, cross-match for two units of
blood, administer 1-2 liters of normal saline, and schedule an emergent
endoscopy
o Assess airway, establish two large-bore IVs, crossmatch for two units of
blood, and administer a proton pump inhibitor
o Place two large-bore IVs, crossmatch for two units of blood, administer a
1-2 liters of normal saline, and schedule an emergent endoscopy
o Intubate the patient, establish two large-bore IVs, cross-match for two
units of blood, administer a 1-2 liters of normal saline, and schedule an
emergent endoscopy
o Intubate the patient, establish two large-bore IVs, crossmatch for two units
of blood, and administer a proton pump inhibitor
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Thanks!
This
week’s case was a tough one, but thought it would be a good chance to
throw in the possible drug overdoses into one case. I myself had to look a lot
of these up so which helps me remember them. I hope it will be the same for
you. In any case, here was the question:
A
19-year-old man is brought to the ED by EMS after he was found lying on the
floor at a dance club. EMS states that the patient seemed unconscious at the
dance club but as soon as they transferred him onto the gurney he became
combative. Upon arrival in the ED, his blood pressure is 120/65 mm Hg, heart
rate is 75 beats per minute, temperature is 98.9°F, respiratory rate is 12
breaths per minute, and oxygen saturation is 98% on room air. On physical exam,
his pupils are mid-sized, equal and reactive to light. His skin is warm and
dry. Lung, cardiac, and abdominal exam are unremarkable. As you walk away from
the bedside, you here the monitor alarm signaling zero respirations and the
oxygen saturation starts to drop. You perform a sternal rub and the patient
sits up in bed and starts yelling at you. As you leave him for the second time,
you hear the monitor alarm again signal zero respirations. You administer
naloxone, but there is no change in his condition. Which of the following is
most likely the substance ingested by this patient?
1)GHB
2)Diazepam
3)Cocaine
4)PCP
5)Heroin
While this was a difficult question, the answer was GHB (a
natural neurotransmitter that induces sleep). So, first things first, this is a
big recreational drug, but has also been sold as a muscle builder (release of
growth hormone), a diet aid, and a sleep aid. It is also being used as a date
rape drug. A quick visual/war story: I once found one of my bartenders unconscious
in a porta-potty naked because he had overdosed on GHB (try forgetting that
visual).
Patients with GHB overdose generally have a decreased level of
consciousness. In contrast to other sedative/hypnotic overdoses, the level of
consciousness tends to FLUCTUATE quickly between agitation and
depression. A distinctive feature of GHB intoxication is respiratory depression
with apnea, interrupted by periods of agitation and combativeness, especially
following attempts at intubation.
(b) Diazepam, a benzodiazepine, also depresses mental and respiratory function
but typically patients REMAIN sedate. (c) Cocaine is a stimulant that
increases heart rate, blood pressure, and usually causes the pupils to dilate.
(d) PCP intoxication may cause bizarre behavior, lethargy, agitation,
confusion, or violence. (e) Heroin intoxication can cause respiratory
depression. Patients usually present with miotic pupils.
Best to treat serious GHB overdoses with lorazepam
with physostigmine (alternatively you can treat with neostigmine or
physostigmine alone)
The following Sackler911 poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: A 19-year-old man is brought to the ED by EMS after he was found
lying on the floor at a dance club. EMS states that the patient seemed
unconscious at the dance club but as soon as they transferred him onto the
gurney he became combative. Upon arrival in the ED, his blood pressure is 120/65
mm Hg, heart rate is 75 beats per minute, temperature is 98.9°F, respiratory
rate is 12 breaths per minute, and oxygen saturation is 98% on room air. On
physical exam, his pupils are mid-sized, equal and reactive to light. His skin
is warm and dry. Lung, cardiac, and abdominal exam are unremarkable. As you walk
away from the bedside, you here the monitor alarm signaling zero respirations
and the oxygen saturation starts to drop. You perform a sternal rub and the
patient sits up in bed and starts yelling at you. As you leave him for the
second time, you hear the monitor alarm again signal zero respirations. You
administer naloxone, but there is no change in his condition. Which of the
following is most likely the substance ingested by this patient?
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB), 2 votes, 20.00%
- Diazepam, 1 votes, 10.00%
- Cocaine, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Phencyclidine (PCP), 6 votes, 60.00%
- Heroin, 1 votes, 10.00%
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Hello all,
As a confused medical student attempting to make some of the most
stressful decisions of his life, I found the 400 shekel Emergency
Medicine conference well worth it. I would encourage anyone to
attend any conference in whatever specialty where american
physicians are present and just chat it up and introduce yourself;
particulary if it is a field you are possibly considering. Doctors
love to talk about themselves and their fields and it is this wealth
of information about life as an american doctor that is most
particularly lacking as a student here at Sackler.
The advisement I received is invaluable and hopefully you too will
find something useful from the next conference you attend.
Sincerely, Darren Lucas
-I typed up what I discussed and hope that it helps you.
March 11, 2008
Emergency Medicine conference
Advisement from Professor Holliman: American EM physician and
student advisor for 20 years at Penn. State Univ. Previously on York-
Hershey EM admissions. Currently building healthcare system in
Aghanistan.
In general:
The profession is looking for physicians with excellent clinical and
people skills. Need to work with all different kinds of people and
all different kinds of colleagues within the hospital. See many
kinds of people who walk in that door and each patient is a
challenge. Will diagnose many patients. Patients are in more
critical need of care. Need to know the entire breadth of medicine.
The need is increasing and more positions are being offered. As in
any specialty, you need to be comfortable with dealing with the
downsides of the profession as they will occur on a daily basis.
The upsides:
Great hours and flexibility of schedule with great reimbursement and
the ability to leave your work at the hospital following your shift.
Lifestyle is great and happy physicians.
The downsides:
Ability to deal with a non-existent schedule and not being able to
know what patient will be seen next. In addition, an ability to deal
with the drug addicts and lowlifes of society that will walk through
the door on a daily basis. The non-continuity of care that is
usually noted of EM but is not particularly specific to EM anymore.
Other specialties also rarely follow their patients and pass them
around with more often with the group setup and you will see certain
CHF and asthma patients more than once for example.
Application:
Very competitive. Everything is assigned a point value and then
added up to grant interviews. Most important are third year rotation
grades, EM elective letters, letters, but step1 score is about
seventh on the list and step2 is held in a higher regard as it is
more clinically based.
Other things to consider to gain points are volunteer service,
research, knowledge of another language even if basic, membership in
the respective professional organization such as SAEM (saem.org) or
EMRA (emra.org) in order to show commitment to the profession.
Complete the application early, by early October. You should have
everything in except the letters from the first elective you do and
you should follow up on these letters and get them in asap as most
programs will only look at completed files.
Apply to 20-25 places. Many programs simply throw away every fifth
application without even looking at it due to the sheer volume they
receive (800 for 10 spots). They know they are throwing away great
applicants.
Recommendations:
You need 3 letters from EM specifically, most preferably all 3 from
a faculty physician that can say, "I worked with him/her and they
did a good job". So someone you work with. You will get 2 letters
from your first elective, and the other from the second elective.
Try to get your letters from the guys at the top who will be
naturally recognized in the field due to their research (most
likely). EM in general feels that other fields do not understand
them, so even a great letter from another specialty is not quite as
good as a letter from EM in general, perhaps an outstanding letter.
The personal statement:
It needs to demonstrate 3 things specific to EM. First, a
demonstration that you understand what EM is all about. Second, find
a way to describe yourself as an empathetic / people person. Third,
write about the things that make you stand out from other
applicants, perhaps the international schooling experience.
Electives: the order.
First-EM (2 letters)
Second-an intensive field such as surgery, medicine ICU, any ICU, or
anaesthesia. Something to build your clinical skills.
Third-EM (1 letter)
Fourth-The fourth in any of these helpful areas, EM applicants are
usually most weak in peds. Outpatient peds, outpatient ortho,
dermatology, sports med, any surgical subspecialty.
Do an elective at places where you think you have a shot at being
accepted. They give you an interview if you do an elective there, so
try not to waste this chance.
Programs: 3 types
-three year programs are the large majority
-1-2-3-4 years continuous program
-2-3-4 years program with a required previous transitional year that
is usually at the same institution.
The four year programs are generally geared towards more
administrative experience. It has repercussions following residency
regarding academics and is more favorable to gain a faculty position
( I was not totally clear on this).
-If you do NOT get accepted: simultaneously apply for a transitional
year. Transitional year programs usually have 1 month of EM
included, request an extra month and do them both early in the year.
When you reapply, focus on the 2-3-4 programs so you can just enter
as second year resident, but also apply to the others or where you
want to go as well. It will strengthen your application regardless.
Some programs require international grads to do 1 year in the usa
before considering the application. It will place you on the same
level as an American graduate.
Websites:
www.saem.org
www.emra.org
www.acep.org
I just wanted to remind everyone that there is a case up on
the yahoo group. It is almost Thursday and only 7 people have replied.
It seems each week there are less and less participating. First case we
had only 13 out of 22 people respond, than 12 with case 2 and now only 7 with
case 3. If you are not finding them useful or you would like to see some
changes in them, please let me know. Remember, this group is only as good
as we make it, so if only a third of the group feels the desire to participate,
than something different should be done. Again, suggestions are welcome
and encouraged! We are the biggest group, which should mean we
should be doing bigger and better things…suggestions suggestions
suggestions!
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Sackler911 group:
A 19-year-old man is brought to the ED by EMS after he was found lying on the
floor at a dance club. EMS states that the patient seemed unconscious at the
dance club but as soon as they transferred him onto the gurney he became
combative. Upon arrival in the ED, his blood pressure is 120/65 mm Hg, heart
rate is 75 beats per minute, temperature is 98.9°F, respiratory rate is 12
breaths per minute, and oxygen saturation is 98% on room air. On physical exam,
his pupils are mid-sized, equal and reactive to light. His skin is warm and dry.
Lung, cardiac, and abdominal exam are unremarkable. As you walk away from the
bedside, you here the monitor alarm signaling zero respirations and the oxygen
saturation starts to drop. You perform a sternal rub and the patient sits up in
bed and starts yelling at you. As you leave him for the second time, you hear
the monitor alarm again signal zero respirations. You administer naloxone, but
there is no change in his condition. Which of the following is most likely the
substance ingested by this patient?
o ã-hydroxybutyrate (GHB)
o Diazepam
o Cocaine
o Phencyclidine (PCP)
o Heroin
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Thanks!
As
everyone selected, you performed a pericardiocentesis. I chose this case
particularly after our first case with the hypotension and distended neck veins
which were similar presenting factors in this case. The difference
however in other findings led to a completely different diagnosis as well as
treatment. For instance, in our last case we had absent lung sounds which
led to the diagnosis of pneumothorax. Here, the lung sounds were present,
but it was the heart sounds that were muffled leading to the diagnosis of
tamponade and to a pericardiocentesis.
Just
as a final note, the classical findings in a tamponade are known as “Beck’s
Triad”: Hypotension, Distended Neck Veins and Muffled Heart Sounds
The following Sackler911 poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: A 42-year old man who was in a motor vehicle crash comes to the
ED where you clear his airway. He has intact, normal breath sounds bilaterarlly
and appears to be ventilating and oxygenating well. Initial assessment of the
cardiovascular system reveals hypotension with a BP of 80/60, a heart rate of
110 bpm, distended neck veins, and muffled heart sounds on auscultation. You
perform a procedure that quickly corrects his blood pressure as well as confirms
your suspected diagnosis. You performed..
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- A lumbar puncture, 0 votes, 0.00%
- A needle decompression of the pleural space, 0 votes, 0.00%
- A pericardiocentesis, 12 votes, 100.00%
- An infusion of fluids (normal saline), 0 votes, 0.00%
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Sackler911 group:
A 42-year old man who was in a motor vehicle crash comes to the ED where you
clear his airway. He has intact, normal breath sounds bilaterarlly and appears
to be ventilating and oxygenating well. Initial assessment of the
cardiovascular system reveals hypotension with a BP of 80/60, a heart rate of
110 bpm, distended neck veins, and muffled heart sounds on auscultation. You
perform a procedure that quickly corrects his blood pressure as well as confirms
your suspected diagnosis. You performed..
o A lumbar puncture
o A needle decompression of the pleural space
o A pericardiocentesis
o An infusion of fluids (normal saline)
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Thanks!
Sorry for the delay, for some reason I did not receive Sam’s
email from the yahoo group. First, good question (and answer..thank you
laurel). I just want to elaborate on a few thing that were mentioned.
First, there are several causes of pneumothorax, but I did not
want to elaborate on all of the them in one case especially with my last
email being as long as it was. I think Laurel said it best that you may
not always see signs of trauma in a pneumothorax. She made an excellent
point that you can have a pneumothorax without ANY signs of trauma and that any
sign of trauma does not necessarily mean pneumothorax. What does indicate
a pneumothorax is the clinical presentation of the patient, i.e. absent breath
sounds, deterioration of the patient, etc.
Laurel had also mentioned a pleural bleb. This is something to
certainly keep in mind. This is often the cause of a Spontaneous
pneumothorax where there would be NO sign of trauma. A typical patient would
be a white skinny, tall, male. They have a higher risk of a pleural bleb
that spontaneously ruptures leading to a pneumothorax.
So, as laurel said, trauma neither rules in or out a
pneumothorax.
I also wanted to take the opportunity and elaborate on the “ABCs”
that laurel mentioned. This is the governing principle on treating patients
and stands for “Airway, Breathing, Circulation, Disability and Expose.”
Without going into too much detail, you start with A (clever enough) and evaluate
the airway, if they have one, if it is obstructed etc. Than Breathing,
which was what was deficient in this patient with absent breath sounds.
As Laurel had said, you HAVE to treat each of these as you go BEFORE proceeding
on (A before B, B before C, etc). In this case, his breathing was
compromised so we treat it.
I hope that clears a few things up. Keep the emails going J
Glenn
From:
Sackler911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sackler911@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurel
Mohrmann Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:05 AM To: Sackler911@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Sackler911] Answer to our first case
What's most important in this case is that there was a clinically
significant deterioration (hypotension) that required intervention.
Whether or not you see signs of trauma on the chest is not. There could
have been an emphysematous bleb that ruptured with impact. In this case,
there would be no external indication of pleural rupture. On the other
hand, flail chest does not necessarily indicate pneumothorax. Chest
bruising/broken ribs does not automatically equal a need to insert a chest
tube. A non-traumatic appearing chest does not rule out pneumothorax.
The bottom line is that if you have a high index of suspicion with clinical
deterioration, you need to intervene before continuing.
Remember, ABC. Never move onto the next item until the previous has been
secured.
Laurel
Sam Weisblatt <samweisblatt@...> wrote:
I just wanted to thank you
Glenn for a great presentation of the case and the answer choices.
I recognize that the given data about the patient might be enough to warrant a
chest tube insertion, but I'm curious if other information might have been
neglected. Specifically, it's my understanding that this injury being a
trauma injury, you would see evidence to confirm that the pleural cavity has
been punctured, whether it was from a foreign object, or something internal,
like a broken rib. I guess my question is whether or not you will always
be able to confirm this diagnosis by just looking at the patient, and if this
is necessary before your perform the procedure?
Thanks,
Sam
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From: Glenn Skow <glennskow@...>
To: Sackler911@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:53:29 PM
Subject: [Sackler911] Answer to our first case
I want to thank everyone who participated in our first case
presentation. I hope you will find these useful. The case that was
presented was as follows:
A 24 year-old man comes to
the E.R. after being involved in an automobile collision. You clear his airway,
but find absent breath sounds in the right chest. Distended neck veins are
present and a blood pressure of 80/60 mm Hg (normal: 120/80) is measured. Which
of the following would be your next course of action?
1) Send the patient for a chest x-ray
2) Continue with the patient examination before determining treatment
3) Immediately insert a needle/chest tube into
the right chest
4) Prepare the patient for surgery
The answer to this question was choice number 3. The patient in this case
has suffered a traumatic injury to the right lung allowing air to escape into
the pleural space causing a progressive increase in positive pressure.
This is known as a Pneumothorax. As air builds up in the pleural space
and the pressure continues to rise, a pneumothorax can develop into what is
known as a Tension Pneumothorax, which is life-threatening. A
Tension Pneumothorax exists when the pressure has increased to the point (when
it equals or exceeds venous pressure) where it can compress the structures in
the chest (such as the heart and trachea) and shift them to the opposite side.
With the pressure now exceeding venous pressure, venous return, cardiac output
and blood pressure will all decrease. There is also a physical compression
of these structures, such as the heart that now has to work harder to pump
blood. As a result, we see jugular venous distension in the
neck.
In Short, the signs of a tension pneumothorax as was
described in this case are absent breath sounds over the affected lung,
distended jugular veins, and hypotension. One sign that was not listed
was that of tracheal deviation. As I said before, the structures of the
chest will be shifted to the opposite side in a tension pneumothorax so
you would expect that the trachea might shift to the left side in this case
where the injury was on the right.
As this is a life-threatening, clinical suspicion is
enough to treat this patient, which is accomplished by inserting a needle/chest
tube to decrompress the chest. You are basically providing a means for
the trapped air in the pleural space to escape. If your diagnosis is
correct, you will see an instantaneous improvement in the patient.
The reason why you would not send this person for a chest
x-ray (Choice A) is that this is a true emergency and your patient can
die while you wait for an x-ray. This point holds true for a lot of
cases, if your patient is unstable, as was this patient being hypotensive, you
stabilize before anything else. This same reasoning can be used to
justify why you would not continue with the physical exam (Choice B)
before providing treatment. As you find life-threatening
ailments on a physical exam, treat them before continuing on.
I have posted a photo to our yahoo group. The link is
below, but am not sure it will work. The photo is an example of a
pneumothorax seen on chest x-ray.
I hope this explanation made sense. As it was my first
attempt at answering a case, a welcome any feedback. If there are any
questions do not hesitate to email me or call me (054.497.7317) .
Hopefully more people will participate in our next case. Thank you again
for participating.
Glenn
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What's most important in this case is that there was a clinically significant deterioration (hypotension) that required intervention. Whether or not you see signs of trauma on the chest is not. There could have been an emphysematous bleb that ruptured with impact. In this case, there would be no external indication of pleural rupture. On the other hand, flail chest does not necessarily indicate pneumothorax. Chest bruising/broken ribs does not automatically equal a need to insert a chest tube. A non-traumatic appearing chest does not rule out pneumothorax.
The bottom line is that if you have a high index of suspicion with clinical deterioration, you need to intervene before continuing.
Remember, ABC. Never move onto the next item until the previous has been secured.
Laurel
Sam Weisblatt <samweisblatt@...> wrote:
I just wanted to thank you Glenn for a great presentation of the case and the answer choices.
I recognize that the given data about the patient might be enough to warrant a chest tube insertion, but I'm curious if other information might have been neglected. Specifically, it's my understanding that this injury being a trauma injury, you would see evidence to confirm that the pleural cavity has been punctured, whether it was from a foreign object, or something
internal, like a broken rib. I guess my question is whether or not you will always be able to confirm this diagnosis by just looking at the patient, and if this is necessary before your perform the procedure?
Thanks, Sam
----- Original Message ---- From: Glenn Skow <glennskow@aol.com> To: Sackler911@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:53:29 PM Subject: [Sackler911] Answer to our first case
I want to thank everyone who participated in our first case presentation. I hope you will find these useful. The case that was presented was as follows:
A 24 year-old man comes to the E.R. after being involved in an automobile collision. You clear his airway, but find absent breath sounds in the right chest. Distended neck veins are present and a blood pressure of 80/60 mm Hg (normal: 120/80) is measured. Which of the following would be your next course of action?
1)Send the patient for a chest x-ray
2)Continue with the patient examination before determining treatment
3)Immediately insert a needle/chest tube into the right chest
4)Prepare the patient for surgery
The answer to this question was choice number 3. The patient in this case has suffered a traumatic injury to the right lung allowing air to escape into the pleural space causing a progressive increase in positive pressure. This is known as a Pneumothorax. As air builds up in the pleural space and the pressure continues to rise, a pneumothorax can develop into what is known as a Tension Pneumothorax, which is life-threatening. A Tension Pneumothorax exists when the pressure has increased to the point (when it equals or exceeds venous pressure) where it can compress the structures in the chest (such as the heart and trachea) and shift them to the opposite side. With the pressure now exceeding venous
pressure, venous return, cardiac output and blood pressure will all decrease. There is also a physical compression of these structures, such as the heart that now has to work harder to pump blood. As a result, we see jugular venous distension in the neck.
In Short, the signs of a tension pneumothorax as was described in this case are absent breath sounds over the affected lung, distended jugular veins, and hypotension. One sign that was not listed was that of tracheal deviation. As I said before, the structures of the chest will be shifted to the opposite side in a tension pneumothorax so you would expect that the trachea might shift to the left side in this case where the injury was on the right.
As this is a life-threatening, clinical suspicion is enough to treat this patient, which
is accomplished by inserting a needle/chest tube to decrompress the chest. You are basically providing a means for the trapped air in the pleural space to escape. If your diagnosis is correct, you will see an instantaneous improvement in the patient.
The reason why you would not send this person for a chest x-ray (Choice A) is that this is a true emergency and your patient can die while you wait for an x-ray. This point holds true for a lot of cases, if your patient is unstable, as was this patient being hypotensive, you stabilize before anything else. This same reasoning can be used to justify why you would not continue with the physical exam (Choice B) before providing treatment. As you find life-threatening ailments on a physical exam, treat them before continuing on.
I have
posted a photo to our yahoo group. The link is below, but am not sure it will work. The photo is an example of a pneumothorax seen on chest x-ray.
I hope this explanation made sense. As it was my first attempt at answering a case, a welcome any feedback. If there are any questions do not hesitate to email me or call me (054.497.7317) . Hopefully more people will participate in our next case. Thank you again for participating.
Glenn
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I just wanted to thank you Glenn for a great presentation of the case and the answer choices.
I recognize that the given data about the patient might be enough to warrant a chest tube insertion, but I'm curious if other information might have been neglected. Specifically, it's my understanding that this injury being a trauma injury, you would see evidence to confirm that the pleural cavity has been punctured, whether it was from a foreign object, or something internal, like a broken rib. I guess my question is whether or not you will always be able to confirm this diagnosis by just looking at the patient, and if this is necessary before your perform the procedure?
Thanks, Sam
----- Original Message ---- From: Glenn Skow <glennskow@...> To: Sackler911@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:53:29 PM Subject: [Sackler911] Answer to our first case
I want to thank everyone who participated in our first case
presentation. I hope you will find these useful. The case that was
presented was as follows:
A 24 year-old man comes to the E.R. after
being involved in an automobile collision. You clear his airway, but find
absent breath sounds in the right chest. Distended neck veins are present and a
blood pressure of 80/60 mm Hg (normal: 120/80) is measured. Which of the
following would be your next course of action?
1)Send
the patient for a chest x-ray
2)Continue
with the patient examination before determining treatment
3)Immediately insert a needle/chest tube into the
right chest
4)Prepare
the patient for surgery
The answer to this question was choice number 3. The patient in this case
has suffered a traumatic injury to the right lung allowing air to escape into
the pleural space causing a progressive increase in positive pressure.
This is known as a Pneumothorax. As air builds up in the pleural space
and the pressure continues to rise, a pneumothorax can develop into what is
known as a Tension Pneumothorax, which is life-threatening. A
Tension Pneumothorax exists when the pressure has increased to the point (when it
equals or exceeds venous pressure) where it can compress the structures in the
chest (such as the heart and trachea) and shift them to the opposite side.
With the pressure now exceeding venous pressure, venous return, cardiac output
and blood pressure will all decrease. There is also a physical
compression of these structures, such as the heart that now has to work harder
to pump blood. As a result, we see jugular venous distension in the
neck.
In Short, the signs of a tension pneumothorax as was described
in this case are absent breath sounds over the affected lung, distended jugular
veins, and hypotension. One sign that was not listed was that of tracheal
deviation. As I said before, the structures of the chest will be shifted
to the opposite side in a tension pneumothorax so you would expect that
the trachea might shift to the left side in this case where the injury was on
the right.
As this is a life-threatening, clinical suspicion is
enough to treat this patient, which is accomplished by inserting a needle/chest
tube to decrompress the chest. You are basically providing a means for
the trapped air in the pleural space to escape. If your diagnosis is
correct, you will see an instantaneous improvement in the patient.
The reason why you would not send this person for a chest
x-ray (Choice A) is that this is a true emergency and your patient can
die while you wait for an x-ray. This point holds true for a lot of
cases, if your patient is unstable, as was this patient being hypotensive, you stabilize
before anything else. This same reasoning can be used to justify why you
would not continue with the physical exam (Choice B) before providing
treatment. As you find life-threatening ailments on a
physical exam, treat them before continuing on.
I have posted a photo to our yahoo group. The link is
below, but am not sure it will work. The photo is an example of a
pneumothorax seen on chest x-ray.
I hope this explanation made sense. As it was my first
attempt at answering a case, a welcome any feedback. If there are any
questions do not hesitate to email me or call me (054.497.7317) . Hopefully
more people will participate in our next case. Thank you again for
participating.
Glenn
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I am attaching a link to the New England Journal site that has a
lot of great procedural videos. Below is the link to the video on how to
insert a chest tube. Forwarded below is our very own Eric Gorinstein’s attempt
at putting in a chest tube in the Ichilov E.R. Fascinating!
I want to thank everyone who participated in our first case presentation. I hope you will find these useful. The case that was presented was as follows:
A 24 year-old man comes to the E.R. after being involved in an automobile collision. You clear his airway, but find absent breath sounds in the right chest. Distended neck veins are present and a blood pressure of 80/60 mm Hg (normal: 120/80) is measured. Which of the following would be your next course of action?
1)Send the patient for a chest x-ray
2)Continue with the patient examination before determining treatment
3)Immediately insert a needle/chest tube into the right chest
4)Prepare the patient for surgery
The answer to this question was choice number 3. The patient in this case has suffered a traumatic injury to the right lung allowing air to escape into the pleural space causing a progressive increase in positive pressure. This is known as a Pneumothorax. As air builds up in the pleural space and the pressure continues to rise, a pneumothorax can develop into what is known as aTension Pneumothorax, which is life-threatening. A Tension Pneumothorax exists when the pressure has increased to the point (when it equals or exceeds venous pressure) where it can compress the structures in the chest (such as the heart and trachea) and shift them to theoppositeside. With the pressure now exceeding venous pressure, venous return, cardiac output and blood pressure will all decrease. There is also a physical compression of these structures, such as the heart that now has to work harder to pump blood. As a result, we see jugular venous distension in the neck.
In Short, the signs of a tension pneumothorax as was described in this case are absent breath sounds over the affected lung, distended jugular veins, and hypotension. One sign that was not listed was that of tracheal deviation. As I said before, the structures of the chest will be shifted to theoppositeside in a tension pneumothorax so you would expect that the trachea might shift to the left side in this case where the injury was on the right.
As this is alife-threatening, clinical suspicion is enough to treat this patient, which is accomplished by inserting a needle/chest tube to decrompress the chest. You are basically providing a means for the trapped air in the pleural space to escape. If your diagnosis is correct, you will see an instantaneous improvement in the patient.
The reason why you would not send this person for a chest x-ray (Choice A) is that this is a true emergency and your patient can die while you wait for an x-ray. This point holds true for a lot of cases, if your patient is unstable, as was this patient being hypotensive, you stabilize before anything else. This same reasoning can be used to justify why you would not continue with the physical exam (Choice B) before providing treatment. As you find life-threatening ailments on a physical exam, treat them before continuing on.
I have posted a photo to our yahoo group. The link is below, but am not sure it will work. The photo is an example of a pneumothorax seen on chest x-ray.
I hope this explanation made sense. As it was my first attempt at answering a case, a welcome any feedback. If there are any questions do not hesitate to email me or call me (054.497.7317). Hopefully more people will participate in our next case. Thank you again for participating.
I want to thank everyone who participated in our first case
presentation. I hope you will find these useful. The case that was
presented was as follows:
A 24 year-old man comes to the E.R. after
being involved in an automobile collision. You clear his airway, but find
absent breath sounds in the right chest. Distended neck veins are present and a
blood pressure of 80/60 mm Hg (normal: 120/80) is measured. Which of the
following would be your next course of action?
1)Send
the patient for a chest x-ray
2)Continue
with the patient examination before determining treatment
3)Immediately insert a needle/chest tube into the
right chest
4)Prepare
the patient for surgery
The answer to this question was choice number 3. The patient in this case
has suffered a traumatic injury to the right lung allowing air to escape into
the pleural space causing a progressive increase in positive pressure.
This is known as a Pneumothorax. As air builds up in the pleural space
and the pressure continues to rise, a pneumothorax can develop into what is
known as a Tension Pneumothorax, which is life-threatening. A
Tension Pneumothorax exists when the pressure has increased to the point (when it
equals or exceeds venous pressure) where it can compress the structures in the
chest (such as the heart and trachea) and shift them to the opposite side.
With the pressure now exceeding venous pressure, venous return, cardiac output
and blood pressure will all decrease. There is also a physical
compression of these structures, such as the heart that now has to work harder
to pump blood. As a result, we see jugular venous distension in the
neck.
In Short, the signs of a tension pneumothorax as was described
in this case are absent breath sounds over the affected lung, distended jugular
veins, and hypotension. One sign that was not listed was that of tracheal
deviation. As I said before, the structures of the chest will be shifted
to the opposite side in a tension pneumothorax so you would expect that
the trachea might shift to the left side in this case where the injury was on
the right.
As this is a life-threatening, clinical suspicion is
enough to treat this patient, which is accomplished by inserting a needle/chest
tube to decrompress the chest. You are basically providing a means for
the trapped air in the pleural space to escape. If your diagnosis is
correct, you will see an instantaneous improvement in the patient.
The reason why you would not send this person for a chest
x-ray (Choice A) is that this is a true emergency and your patient can
die while you wait for an x-ray. This point holds true for a lot of
cases, if your patient is unstable, as was this patient being hypotensive, you stabilize
before anything else. This same reasoning can be used to justify why you
would not continue with the physical exam (Choice B) before providing
treatment. As you find life-threatening ailments on a
physical exam, treat them before continuing on.
I have posted a photo to our yahoo group. The link is
below, but am not sure it will work. The photo is an example of a
pneumothorax seen on chest x-ray.
I hope this explanation made sense. As it was my first
attempt at answering a case, a welcome any feedback. If there are any
questions do not hesitate to email me or call me (054.497.7317). Hopefully
more people will participate in our next case. Thank you again for
participating.
The following Sackler911 poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: A 24 year-old man comes to the E.R. after being involved in an
automobile collision. You clear his airway, but find absent breath sounds in
the right chest. Distended neck veins are present and a blood pressure of 80/60
mm Hg (normal: 120/80) is measured. Which of the following would be your next
course of action?
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Send the patient for a chest x-ray, 4 votes, 30.77%
- Continue with the patient examination before determining treatment, 2 votes,
15.38%
- Immediately insert a needle/chest tube into the right chest , 7 votes, 53.85%
- Prepare the patient for surgery, 0 votes, 0.00%
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My name is Eric Gorinstein and I am a 3rd year
making my way through clinical rotations and currently considering Emergency
Medicine as a specialty. I thought I would share with you guys some of the
websites and blogs that I have been visiting in order to gain greater insight
into this field. Most of the blogs that interest me are focused on personal
opinions and individual experiences, describing what life is actually like for an Emergency physician, because
that is information vital to making a career decision that no book or expert
can ever give you. Without any further ado, here are my top picks for EM blogs:
A cynical and entertaining look at Emergency medicine, med
school, residency, and the health care system in general, from a former marine
and current EM Resident. If you want a laugh, go through his archives and find
his guides to getting into med school and surviving third year rotations.
Overall, very well written essay-format and does a great job of ‘cutting
through the BS’:
Stories and thoughts about day to day life in the ER. A great
place to get a feel for what the daily ups and downs of Emergency Medicine are
really like:
Last, but not least, a must see on any tour of the medical
online world… The EM forum on Studentdoctor.net, that great clearing
house of information on all things students and doctor…
Thanks Glenn, I'm looking forward to the results and future polls.
Question: if I come to the ER, what will I be able to do? Will it be strictly observing? Do I just show up with ID and white coat? Which hospital/what times?
Thanks, Mike (MS1)
----- Original Message ---- From: Glenn Skow <glennskow@...> To: Sackler911@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:34:34 PM Subject: [Sackler911] New Poll
Ok, so in my motivated state I thought it might be
interesting to use the “poll” feature to present classical cases
from the E.R. I am hoping to make this a weekly thing if everyone finds
it useful. I have already placed the first case online and have given 4 choices
to vote on in terms of managing the presented patient. Don’t worry,
voting is entirely confidential and I understand that people are coming from
difficult stages of their sackler years as well as different backgrounds.
While this is certainly a trial run, I hope that you’ll find it
interesting and/or helpful.
After the poll closes in a few days, I will present the
correct answer along with an explanation which may include photos that I’ll
post to the photos section of this group (such as x-rays for instance). I
welcome any critiques or suggestions for improvement.
As always, let me know if there is anything else you would
like to see come from this group. Also expect some time in the near
future to be receiving updates from the E.R. front courtesy of our own Eric
Gorinstein.
Ok, so in my motivated state I thought it might be
interesting to use the “poll” feature to present classical cases
from the E.R. I am hoping to make this a weekly thing if everyone finds
it useful. I have already placed the first case online and have given 4 choices
to vote on in terms of managing the presented patient. Don’t worry,
voting is entirely confidential and I understand that people are coming from
difficult stages of their sackler years as well as different backgrounds.
While this is certainly a trial run, I hope that you’ll find it
interesting and/or helpful.
After the poll closes in a few days, I will present the
correct answer along with an explanation which may include photos that I’ll
post to the photos section of this group (such as x-rays for instance). I
welcome any critiques or suggestions for improvement.
As always, let me know if there is anything else you would
like to see come from this group. Also expect some time in the near
future to be receiving updates from the E.R. front courtesy of our own Eric
Gorinstein.
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
Sackler911 group:
A 24 year-old man comes to the E.R. after being involved in an automobile
collision. You clear his airway, but find absent breath sounds in the right
chest. Distended neck veins are present and a blood pressure of 80/60 mm Hg
(normal: 120/80) is measured. Which of the following would be your next course
of action?
o Send the patient for a chest x-ray
o Continue with the patient examination before determining treatment
o Immediately insert a needle/chest tube into the right chest
o Prepare the patient for surgery
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sackler911/surveys?id=12723226
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks!
The
Thirteenth Annual Scientific Assembly of the Israeli Society of Emergency
Medicine will be held this year March 10 and 11 at the Tel Aviv Hilton. The lowest rate is for students at
400 NIS. While pricey, Dr. Avi Alpert, our advisor, encourages us all to
come. It will be a good chance to meet Emergency Physicians from the
states. The key speaker is Dr. Ken Iserson, an emergency physician from
the University of Arizona and author of the infamous Getting into a Residency.
He will be giving a special talk at Sackler on March 9th at 5
pm. Details to follow. If you have any specific questions about the
conference, you can call Diana
Dayan at 054-7706006. I am attaching the registration form just in case.
No problem. The ACLS class is an American Heart Association
course that consists of 2 consecutive Fridays (something like 9-4). It
combines CPR with intubation, defibrillation (and reading EKG monitors), as
well as drugs. In essence, your final is a “mega code” where the
dummy (your patient) will go from one heart rhythm to another where you have to
change your treatment accordingly based on a rhythm that you would have to
correctly identify. It is very helpful in the various cardiac arrest scenarios
you can think of. I think they even include treatment of stroke as well. The
certification is good for 2 years. As far as pre-reqs, I would say anyone can
do it although 2nd or even 3rd years might have an
easier time at it as they have had some lectures on these topics. You can also
find more information about this course on the internet or from the AHA
website. A down side is that the school does not cover this course and will
cost somewhere around 600 NIS.
Glenn
From:
Sackler911@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sackler911@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yehudah
Daniel Glass Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:24 PM To: Sackler911@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Sackler911] Ideas
Do you have more info on the ALCS course? (Dates, times, pre reqs, what is
taught, if it allows you to do anything in Israeli ERs, etc.)
On Jan 2, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Glenn Skow wrote:
I am sure everyone is very busy with studying for exams,
but I wanted to ask that everyone start thinking about what they would like to
get out of this group. Unfortunately, I have not heard any suggestions so
far. There are also I few things I would like to throw your way.
(1) How many people would be interested in doing the ACLS
(advanced cardiac life support) course after finals?
(2) If anyone is interested in stopping into the Ichilov ER
tomorrow night, I believe I will be there. You can reach me at
054.497.7317 if you decide to stop by.
(3) One idea is that we start some sort of emergency
medicine journal club/case discussion or some other kind of regular
meeting. Journal club/cases for instance can be one email sent out each
week or once a month get together, etc. Would anyone be interested in
this? We can even use the “Poll” section in the yahoo group
to place interesting cases or what not.
(4) Some interesting articles I have read:
Military-Civilian Collaboration in Trauma Care and the Senior
Visiting Surgeon Program
Do you have more info on the ALCS course? (Dates, times, pre reqs, what is taught, if it allows you to do anything in Israeli ERs, etc.)
On Jan 2, 2008, at 10:16 PM, Glenn Skow wrote:
I am sure everyone is very busy with studying for exams, but I wanted to ask that everyone start thinking about what they would like to get out of this group. Unfortunately, I have not heard any suggestions so far. There are also I few things I would like to throw your way.
(1) How many people would be interested in doing the ACLS (advanced cardiac life support) course after finals?
(2) If anyone is interested in stopping into the Ichilov ER tomorrow night, I believe I will be there. You can reach me at 054.497.7317 if you decide to stop by.
(3) One idea is that we start some sort of emergency medicine journal club/case discussion or some other kind of regular meeting. Journal club/cases for instance can be one email sent out each week or once a month get together, etc. Would anyone be interested in this? We can even use the “Poll” section in the yahoo group to place interesting cases or what not.
(4) Some interesting articles I have read:
Military-Civilian Collaboration in Trauma Care and the Senior Visiting Surgeon Program
I am sure everyone is very busy with studying for exams, but
I wanted to ask that everyone start thinking about what they would like to get
out of this group. Unfortunately, I have not heard any suggestions so far.
There are also I few things I would like to throw your way.
(1) How many people would be interested in doing the ACLS
(advanced cardiac life support) course after finals?
(2) If anyone is interested in stopping into the Ichilov ER
tomorrow night, I believe I will be there. You can reach me at
054.497.7317 if you decide to stop by.
(3) One idea is that we start some sort of emergency
medicine journal club/case discussion or some other kind of regular meeting.
Journal club/cases for instance can be one email sent out each week or once a
month get together, etc. Would anyone be interested in this? We can even
use the “Poll” section in the yahoo group to place interesting
cases or what not.
(4) Some interesting articles I have read:
Military-Civilian
Collaboration in Trauma Care and the Senior Visiting Surgeon Program
Thank you all for joining the Emergency Medicine interest group. It’s
my hope that we can use this group to learn more about emergency medicine, from
each other, and better prepare ourselves for our possible future in emergency
medicine. From what I can gather, we all have very diverse backgrounds at
various stages of our education here at Sackler. This should make things
very interesting. Also, I think we are at an advantage than some of the
other groups in that
1)We
have a very friendly and brilliant doctor here in Israel that is willing to
guide us in this field as well as prepare us for returning to the states to be
emergency physicians. He is very enthusiastic about helping students
along.
2)We
also have the option to take many of the American Heart Association emergency
training courses here in Israel. Namely Advanced Cardiac Life Support
(ACLS), Basic Trauma Life Support (BTLS), etc. This is entirely optional
and would be about 500 NIS to take here locally and would be recognized back
home. Certification is typically good for 2 years. Time commitment is
usually 2 consecutive Fridays of our choice.
3)I
happen to be training in the E.R. currently at Ichilov (about 5-10 min by cab
from the university) and welcome anyone who wants to come and see what they are
getting themselves into.
4)You’ll
also find under the database section of this group a list of alumni currently
working in the field of emergency medicine and their contact information along
with what hospitals they are currently working at.
If
you have any specific interests/ideas of what we could use this group to
accomplish, then please feel free to share them!