Thanks everyone that responded to the offshore medic job from
WA....looks like they found someone.

Cheers
Darren
On 01/04/2008, at 1:47 AM, Barbara Amor wrote:

> I will find out for you in the morning and get back to you. Do you
> need to do this at a military institution?
> Boeremeisie
>
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> From: remote_medic777 <remote_medic777@...>
> To: RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:04:08 PM
> Subject: [Remotemedics.co.uk] Aviation medical course
>
> Hi all I need to do a aviation medical course(old FMA) ASAP in South
> Africa. Are there anyone (BOERE) out there that can help me with an
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>
> Thanks
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this at a military institution?
Boeremeisie

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From: remote_medic777 <remote_medic777@...>
To: RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:04:08 PM
Subject: [Remotemedics.co.uk] Aviation medical course

                 Hi all I need to do a aviation medical course(old FMA) ASAP in
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Hello mate,

   I would be very interested as i am immigrating to Aus and have visa arriving
soon.
   However i would like the companies details so that i can forward them my
details.
   Also maybe you can help me?
   I am looking for contacts for employment as an Offshore medic, Remote Site
medic EMT and also i am A Health and safety Advisor
   Many thanks,

   Darryl Wilson

   Moving to Perth, looking forward to it.

Darren Nelson <dazzle1@...> wrote:

Hi All

I got a company called me urgently looking for a medic...I cant do so
thought I would forward to the group.

They are looking for a medic for 2 hitches for an mobile offshore
drilling unit with possibility for continued work.

They probably prefer someone local or within Oz...I don't know.

Email me and I will forward you there direct email address.

Thanks

Darren Nelson






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Contact Air Mercy Service (ams dot org dot za) that is who I did my aviation
course through



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Subject: [Remotemedics.co.uk] Aviation medical course



Hi all I need to do a aviation medical course(old FMA) ASAP in South
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institution that host this course.

Thanks





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Hi all I need to do a aviation medical course(old FMA) ASAP in South
Africa. Are  there anyone (BOERE) out there that can help me with an
institution that host this course.

Thanks

Hi All

I got a company called me urgently looking for a medic...I cant do so
thought I would forward to the group.

They are looking for a medic for 2 hitches for an mobile offshore
drilling unit with possibility for continued work.

They probably prefer someone local or within Oz...I dont know.

Email me and I will forward you there direct email address.

Thanks

Darren Nelson

Gavin,

What on earth is an Australian Paramedics licence.

I am in the industry and have not heard of one, Australia doesn't even
have a national registration for paramedics.

Wayne Havenaar
Intensive Care Paramedic
www.medix.com.au


Quoting Gavin Turner <turner.gavin@...>:

> Mike
>
>   I've just recently got my Australian Paramedics licence, can you
> give me some contact details or Terms & Conditions data for SJA.
>
>   Regards
>
>   Gavin
>
> MICHAEL WYATT <earp159@...> wrote:
>           Barbara, St John Ambo in West Australia are still rlooking
> for qualified Paramedics, if that sort of thing takes your fancy.
> All the best Mike
>
> Barbara Amor <brbramor@...> wrote: Dear Byron/Peter, other friends
>
> Hope you guys had a great Easter and thanks for those in support. I
> worked nightshift (goody!!.. double time) the whole w/e. I am not
> frightened by "lady's" feminist attacks, can handle them. It's the
> attack on my professional capability by some-one who deems himself
> uber-clever claiming that my "nuggets" of wisdom will impair my job-
> hunting that upset me. Bet he is not man enough to try the remedy
> either!
>
> Still happily jobhunting, just hope future employers believe
> in "mythical" medication.
>
> Regards from sunny South Africa
> Barbs
>
> --- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com, peter mitchell
> <treetop_bay@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Byron,
>> A Happy Easter to you also dear boy and since you asked then as
> you may have 'those' clients with the never ending questions
> of 'Healthy Eating and Drinking'.....yes even in Iraq...in between
> action some of the gals and guys must ponder these things.....then
> here is the definitive list of answers to post on your clinic door,
> tent flap or cave entrance, whichever applies...and enjoy the
> reactions...keep well and trust in allah but hobble your camel at
> night...etc.
>>
>> P
>>
>> PS; I think 1 particular 'lady's' response to the matter of the
> lovely medic B Amor (& pub owner) sort of frightened some people,
> including me - (which will surprise a lot of folk) - who never knew
> if one of the ship's passing in the night might let rip with an anti
> male chauvanist pig missile (AMCPM)...if you get my drift...and hi
> to B if you read this.
>>
>> byronfawcus <byronfawcus@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The site is awfully quiet! Start a topic? Where's Amor? Bring more
>> fantasies and some jokes to the site? To the guy who wants to come
> over
>> to Iraq.
>>
>> Bring your "butt" over here and come over and enjoy and go back
> home
>> safe. Currently in the desert, sand storms and mossies giving me
> hell.
>> Laptop,Ipod and mosie net a definite yes. Attitude a no and just
> keep a
>> low pro. It's great to be in Iraq.
>>
>> To my American colleagues is it true that an EMT-I can do the
>> paramedics course in six months? Just asking? Stay safe you all.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Byron Fawcus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
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>>
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>>
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Hi Gavin, drop me an e mail earp159@... and ill try and point you in
the right direction. I will be flying to Broom on Tuesday for a 20 stinton a
survey ship, so will get back to you asap, best regards Mike

Darren Nelson <dazzle1@...> wrote:          Hi Gavin

How does one get an "Australian" Paramedics licence?
Does this exist?

Darren

On 28/03/2008, at 9:21 PM, Gavin Turner wrote:

> Mike
>
> I've just recently got my Australian Paramedics licence, can you
> give me some contact details or Terms & Conditions data for SJA.
>
> Regards
>
> Gavin
>
> MICHAEL WYATT <earp159@...> wrote:
> Barbara, St John Ambo in West Australia are still rlooking for
> qualified Paramedics, if that sort of thing takes your fancy. All
> the best Mike
>
> Barbara Amor <brbramor@...> wrote: Dear Byron/Peter, other
> friends
>
> Hope you guys had a great Easter and thanks for those in support. I
> worked nightshift (goody!!.. double time) the whole w/e. I am not
> frightened by "lady's" feminist attacks, can handle them. It's the
> attack on my professional capability by some-one who deems himself
> uber-clever claiming that my "nuggets" of wisdom will impair my job-
> hunting that upset me. Bet he is not man enough to try the remedy
> either!
>
> Still happily jobhunting, just hope future employers believe
> in "mythical" medication.
>
> Regards from sunny South Africa
> Barbs
>
> --- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com, peter mitchell
> <treetop_bay@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Byron,
> > A Happy Easter to you also dear boy and since you asked then as
> you may have 'those' clients with the never ending questions
> of 'Healthy Eating and Drinking'.....yes even in Iraq...in between
> action some of the gals and guys must ponder these things.....then
> here is the definitive list of answers to post on your clinic door,
> tent flap or cave entrance, whichever applies...and enjoy the
> reactions...keep well and trust in allah but hobble your camel at
> night...etc.
> >
> > P
> >
> > PS; I think 1 particular 'lady's' response to the matter of the
> lovely medic B Amor (& pub owner) sort of frightened some people,
> including me - (which will surprise a lot of folk) - who never knew
> if one of the ship's passing in the night might let rip with an anti
> male chauvanist pig missile (AMCPM)...if you get my drift...and hi
> to B if you read this.
> >
> > byronfawcus <byronfawcus@...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The site is awfully quiet! Start a topic? Where's Amor? Bring more
> > fantasies and some jokes to the site? To the guy who wants to come
> over
> > to Iraq.
> >
> > Bring your "butt" over here and come over and enjoy and go back
> home
> > safe. Currently in the desert, sand storms and mossies giving me
> hell.
> > Laptop,Ipod and mosie net a definite yes. Attitude a no and just
> keep a
> > low pro. It's great to be in Iraq.
> >
> > To my American colleagues is it true that an EMT-I can do the
> > paramedics course in six months? Just asking? Stay safe you all.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Byron Fawcus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Sent from Yahoo! Mail.
> > More Ways to Keep in Touch.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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Hi Gavin

How does one get an "Australian" Paramedics licence?
Does this exist?

Darren

On 28/03/2008, at 9:21 PM, Gavin Turner wrote:

> Mike
>
> I've just recently got my Australian Paramedics licence, can you
> give me some contact details or Terms & Conditions data for SJA.
>
> Regards
>
> Gavin
>
> MICHAEL WYATT <earp159@...> wrote:
> Barbara, St John Ambo in West Australia are still rlooking for
> qualified Paramedics, if that sort of thing takes your fancy. All
> the best Mike
>
> Barbara Amor <brbramor@...> wrote: Dear Byron/Peter, other
> friends
>
> Hope you guys had a great Easter and thanks for those in support. I
> worked nightshift (goody!!.. double time) the whole w/e. I am not
> frightened by "lady's" feminist attacks, can handle them. It's the
> attack on my professional capability by some-one who deems himself
> uber-clever claiming that my "nuggets" of wisdom will impair my job-
> hunting that upset me. Bet he is not man enough to try the remedy
> either!
>
> Still happily jobhunting, just hope future employers believe
> in "mythical" medication.
>
> Regards from sunny South Africa
> Barbs
>
> --- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com, peter mitchell
> <treetop_bay@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Byron,
> > A Happy Easter to you also dear boy and since you asked then as
> you may have 'those' clients with the never ending questions
> of 'Healthy Eating and Drinking'.....yes even in Iraq...in between
> action some of the gals and guys must ponder these things.....then
> here is the definitive list of answers to post on your clinic door,
> tent flap or cave entrance, whichever applies...and enjoy the
> reactions...keep well and trust in allah but hobble your camel at
> night...etc.
> >
> > P
> >
> > PS; I think 1 particular 'lady's' response to the matter of the
> lovely medic B Amor (& pub owner) sort of frightened some people,
> including me - (which will surprise a lot of folk) - who never knew
> if one of the ship's passing in the night might let rip with an anti
> male chauvanist pig missile (AMCPM)...if you get my drift...and hi
> to B if you read this.
> >
> > byronfawcus <byronfawcus@...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The site is awfully quiet! Start a topic? Where's Amor? Bring more
> > fantasies and some jokes to the site? To the guy who wants to come
> over
> > to Iraq.
> >
> > Bring your "butt" over here and come over and enjoy and go back
> home
> > safe. Currently in the desert, sand storms and mossies giving me
> hell.
> > Laptop,Ipod and mosie net a definite yes. Attitude a no and just
> keep a
> > low pro. It's great to be in Iraq.
> >
> > To my American colleagues is it true that an EMT-I can do the
> > paramedics course in six months? Just asking? Stay safe you all.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Byron Fawcus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Sent from Yahoo! Mail.
> > More Ways to Keep in Touch.
> >
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> >
>
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Mike, thanks for that but I'm not a qualified paramedic. Wish I was.  I take my
hat off to you guys working in the war areas...what can I say!!
Barbara

----- Original Message ----
From: MICHAEL WYATT <earp159@...>
To: RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:52:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Remotemedics.co.uk] Re: Happy Easter Byron

                 Barbara, St John Ambo in West Australia are still rlooking for
qualified Paramedics, if that sort of thing takes your fancy. All the best Mike

Barbara Amor <brbramor@yahoo. com> wrote:          Dear Byron/Peter, other
friends

Hope you guys had a great Easter and thanks for those in support. I
worked nightshift (goody!!.. double time) the whole w/e. I am not
frightened by "lady's" feminist attacks, can handle them. It's the
attack on my professional capability by some-one who deems himself
uber-clever claiming that my "nuggets" of wisdom will impair my job-
hunting that upset me. Bet he is not man enough to try the remedy
either!

Still happily jobhunting, just hope future employers believe
in "mythical" medication.

Regards from sunny South Africa
Barbs

--- In RemoteSupportMedics @yahoogroups. com, peter mitchell
<treetop_bay@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dear Byron,
> A Happy Easter to you also dear boy and since you asked then as
you may have 'those' clients with the never ending questions
of 'Healthy Eating and Drinking'... ..yes even in Iraq...in between
action some of the gals and guys must ponder these things.....then
here is the definitive list of answers to post on your clinic door,
tent flap or cave entrance, whichever applies...and enjoy the
reactions... keep well and trust in allah but hobble your camel at
night...etc.
>
> P
>
> PS; I think 1 particular 'lady's' response to the matter of the
lovely medic B Amor (& pub owner) sort of frightened some people,
including me - (which will surprise a lot of folk) - who never knew
if one of the ship's passing in the night might let rip with an anti
male chauvanist pig missile (AMCPM)...if you get my drift...and hi
to B if you read this.
>
> byronfawcus <byronfawcus@ ...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The site is awfully quiet! Start a topic? Where's Amor? Bring more
> fantasies and some jokes to the site? To the guy who wants to come
over
> to Iraq.
>
> Bring your "butt" over here and come over and enjoy and go back
home
> safe. Currently in the desert, sand storms and mossies giving me
hell.
> Laptop,Ipod and mosie net a definite yes. Attitude a no and just
keep a
> low pro. It's great to be in Iraq.
>
> To my American colleagues is it true that an EMT-I can do the
> paramedics course in six months? Just asking? Stay safe you all.
>
> Kind regards
> Byron Fawcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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   I've just recently got my Australian Paramedics licence, can you give me some
contact details or Terms & Conditions data for SJA.

   Regards

   Gavin

MICHAEL WYATT <earp159@...> wrote:
           Barbara, St John Ambo in West Australia are still rlooking for
qualified Paramedics, if that sort of thing takes your fancy. All the best Mike

Barbara Amor <brbramor@...> wrote: Dear Byron/Peter, other friends

Hope you guys had a great Easter and thanks for those in support. I
worked nightshift (goody!!.. double time) the whole w/e. I am not
frightened by "lady's" feminist attacks, can handle them. It's the
attack on my professional capability by some-one who deems himself
uber-clever claiming that my "nuggets" of wisdom will impair my job-
hunting that upset me. Bet he is not man enough to try the remedy
either!

Still happily jobhunting, just hope future employers believe
in "mythical" medication.

Regards from sunny South Africa
Barbs

--- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com, peter mitchell
<treetop_bay@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Byron,
> A Happy Easter to you also dear boy and since you asked then as
you may have 'those' clients with the never ending questions
of 'Healthy Eating and Drinking'.....yes even in Iraq...in between
action some of the gals and guys must ponder these things.....then
here is the definitive list of answers to post on your clinic door,
tent flap or cave entrance, whichever applies...and enjoy the
reactions...keep well and trust in allah but hobble your camel at
night...etc.
>
> P
>
> PS; I think 1 particular 'lady's' response to the matter of the
lovely medic B Amor (& pub owner) sort of frightened some people,
including me - (which will surprise a lot of folk) - who never knew
if one of the ship's passing in the night might let rip with an anti
male chauvanist pig missile (AMCPM)...if you get my drift...and hi
to B if you read this.
>
> byronfawcus <byronfawcus@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The site is awfully quiet! Start a topic? Where's Amor? Bring more
> fantasies and some jokes to the site? To the guy who wants to come
over
> to Iraq.
>
> Bring your "butt" over here and come over and enjoy and go back
home
> safe. Currently in the desert, sand storms and mossies giving me
hell.
> Laptop,Ipod and mosie net a definite yes. Attitude a no and just
keep a
> low pro. It's great to be in Iraq.
>
> To my American colleagues is it true that an EMT-I can do the
> paramedics course in six months? Just asking? Stay safe you all.
>
> Kind regards
> Byron Fawcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> More Ways to Keep in Touch.
>
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....well KH that was not really nice at all, though I am sure numbers of us are
simply thrilled that you were up to being impressed by the super
rebuttal...perhaps some people to whom you are sneering at do not feel they need
to have this explained...whereas you obviously do dear boy...splendid but do try
to be nice OK..and Paul's text was not only good but really interesting.
   P.

   PS... I was really excited to learn that B. Armor is also a blond...so now
Wilf will also improve his punctuation and I will just get ready for the pool
table whupping..sigh !




   <kishorep1914@... > wrote:
           Excellent rebuttal Paul!! Thanks for the well explained and accurate
reasoning. I doubt if it will make much impression on some Neanderthal
xenophobes we have seen on this site, but then thats OK.

----- Original Message ----
From: Paul <sumoparamedic@...>
To: RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 26 March, 2008 5:33:21 AM
Subject: [Remotemedics.co.uk] Re: Medical Urban Legends

Barbara I highly doubt either of our careers are in jeopardy.

John,

Wow. Jeez. Where do I even begin. Okay here goes.

Thus Begineth the lesson

While empiric studies are the gold standard, anecdotal reports are a
valid, recognized source of information when they come first hand
from a knowledgable, reliable source and are taken in context with
appropriate reservation.

Studies are only as foolproof as the fools who wrote them.

Remember Rescue Johnny flipping the caps off his "Amp of Bicarb"
BristaJet? Studies showed Bicarb as a first line cardiac arrest
drug. Right up to when more studies showed that it was ensuring a
dying heart would become a dead heart. What about the routine
practice of high volume crystaloid fluid resuscitation that is now
shown to be exactly the WRONG thing to do? Research that came about
from a retrospectives analysis done because of ANECDOTAL reports of
high survivability rates in British wounded during the Falklands
war. There was once an excellent study that recommended prophylactic
thalidimide to pregnant women, and then anecdotal reports of birth
defects. Can I get a round of applause from the flipper babies for
Anecdotal Evidence? Anecdotally people on Rogaine for high blood
pressure grew hair. Anecdotally Wellbutrin aided in smoking
cessation. They were both studied to find out...Tadaah! The
anecdotes reported by experienced clinicians were validated by
analysis.

Okay, so lets look at the other side of the coin. If it hasn't been
studied it must be VooDoo? Let's see. The Mayans taught their
children to chew a certain kind of tree bark to releive pain. I doubt
the Mayans ever did a study on it. The acid refined from this bark
is commonly called aspirin...The cardiac benefits would be realized
much later...Andean indians were certain that chewing coca leaves
gave them energy. They must have had a paper on the subject...The
Nightclubbing benefits would be realized much later...(Leatitia in
case you didn't catch it that was a joke) The Chitosan dressings that
are all the rage are made from ground up seashells. Maggots are used
to debride wounds just as they were in ancient times. Leeches were
reviled by medics of the "scientific age" right up to when they
realized ...oooh that works to stimulate blood flow to vascularly
compromised tissue...In asia medics would make potions from poppies
to releive pain. I wonder how they designed their double blind
clinical trials? Nightshade elixers were used to treat cardiac
conditions long before anyone refined digitalis, or even really knew
how the heart worked. They just knew the nightshade worked. No
anabolic steroid has never been formally studied for the promotion of
hypertrophic muscle growth. Better cancel the next Arnold Classic.
None of those biceps are really there. How many times in your 20
years have you injected Lidocaine into a cardiac arrest patient? Now
try and find the original human clinical trials that put Lidocaine
into the ACLS protocols. You will be looking for a long time. Should
I keep going?

So grandma was wrong about the butter. Let it go. Are all home
remedies valid? No, of course not. That is why we consult..TRAINED
PROVIDERS as to what has worked for them instead of the old women at
the sewing circle...Hi Aunt Emma! I am eating my potato skins!..
(Aunt Emma who incidentally was a physician, BU Med class of '39 the
only woman in her class)

If nothing else, what happened to the placebo effect? The efficacy
of placebos have been well studied. If the patient beleives it will
work, and it will not do harm then why not?

Studies are a nice boat to float in, but sometimes we find ourselves
in situations where there is no choice but to swim. When the shit
really hits the fan who would you rather have with you, a quick
thinker, or an accurate citation quoter?

Also remember your shore/offshore background, and truly remote work
are two different animals. On remotes you may not always have
helicopters on call, fancy burn dressings, or even a nice roll of
cling film. The hallmark of a good practitioner is to always be
questioning and refining your methods, keeping your mind open to all
the possibilities of the world, and if possible backing them up with
a well designed study.

Every single treatment you use in the ER or on the Oil Rig started
out as one guy saying to another..."you know what I found works well
for that?"

So spake Sumo
Thus endeth the lesson-

In the future try to use the bathroom before we leave the house.
These stops are really taking the joy out of the trip.

God forgives all of your mitakes
Society forgives some of your mistake
Evolution forgives none of your mistakes
-???

--- In RemoteSupportMedics @yahoogroups. com, "cpfmedic" <cpfmedic@.. .>
wrote: Something useful!!!! Potato skins on burns….

Does anyone else out there want to seriously reduce their chances of
future employment by posting one of these nuggets of research based
clinical efficacy that I somehow missed in my 20 odd years in
healthcare positions?
Working in U.K A/E departments and in the oil and gas industry
internationally I've seen lots of patients present with `alternative'
dressings and first aid measures ( including the already mentioned
butter on burns; it's a pity those fats do like to retain heat… shame
it seemed such a lovely idea) which have included toothpaste on
burns, tobacco, curry powder, flour, dried herbs and numerous other
everyday items in wounds and I've spent many an hour having to clean
them out of burns and open wounds and trying to re- educate the
patients. I really don't expect to find people recommending them on
a site like this. Anyone got a research paper on the use of horse
s**t poultices handy ...there seems to be a lot of it about?

> John

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Barbara, St John Ambo in West Australia are still rlooking for qualified
Paramedics, if that sort of thing takes your fancy. All the best Mike

Barbara Amor <brbramor@...> wrote:          Dear Byron/Peter, other
friends

Hope you guys had a great Easter and thanks for those in support. I
worked nightshift (goody!!.. double time) the whole w/e. I am not
frightened by "lady's" feminist attacks, can handle them. It's the
attack on my professional capability by some-one who deems himself
uber-clever claiming that my "nuggets" of wisdom will impair my job-
hunting that upset me. Bet he is not man enough to try the remedy
either!

Still happily jobhunting, just hope future employers believe
in "mythical" medication.

Regards from sunny South Africa
Barbs

--- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com, peter mitchell
<treetop_bay@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Byron,
> A Happy Easter to you also dear boy and since you asked then as
you may have 'those' clients with the never ending questions
of 'Healthy Eating and Drinking'.....yes even in Iraq...in between
action some of the gals and guys must ponder these things.....then
here is the definitive list of answers to post on your clinic door,
tent flap or cave entrance, whichever applies...and enjoy the
reactions...keep well and trust in allah but hobble your camel at
night...etc.
>
> P
>
> PS; I think 1 particular 'lady's' response to the matter of the
lovely medic B Amor (& pub owner) sort of frightened some people,
including me - (which will surprise a lot of folk) - who never knew
if one of the ship's passing in the night might let rip with an anti
male chauvanist pig missile (AMCPM)...if you get my drift...and hi
to B if you read this.
>
> byronfawcus <byronfawcus@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The site is awfully quiet! Start a topic? Where's Amor? Bring more
> fantasies and some jokes to the site? To the guy who wants to come
over
> to Iraq.
>
> Bring your "butt" over here and come over and enjoy and go back
home
> safe. Currently in the desert, sand storms and mossies giving me
hell.
> Laptop,Ipod and mosie net a definite yes. Attitude a no and just
keep a
> low pro. It's great to be in Iraq.
>
> To my American colleagues is it true that an EMT-I can do the
> paramedics course in six months? Just asking? Stay safe you all.
>
> Kind regards
> Byron Fawcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> More Ways to Keep in Touch.
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No worries John.

Some people are explorers, some are shopkeepers.  Both are equally
important, both are certain they are right, and neither can get the
other to understand his way of thinking.

You have obviously found your niche in the ER.  More power to you.

For my part I am not satisfied to wallow in the status quo.  I have
been led to beleive the world is round, and I am going to see for
myself.  If I fall off the edge you are welcome to say "I told you so"

I heard pickles cause plane crashes.  Be careful.

"You have to risk going too far to discover just how far you can really
go"
T.S. Eliot

Thanks for that Paul. Not just a pretty face I see...(oops, forgot about the
photo debacle!!) Much appreciated.  Now have you heard about the wonders of Aloe
crystals...?

John, Now if you had a huge potato, that wound would've healed quicker, and the
scarring would've been less.......  just pulling your leg, seriously.  Come-on,
give us a smile!!  Guess you won't look at a potato chip again hey? The truth
here is, I didn't DO any research, just followed a myth, and it worked for me
and everybody I passed it on to that used it, and it worked better than any
over-the-counter-creams or dressings for us. No hard feelings?
Barbara

----- Original Message ----
From: Paul <sumoparamedic@...>
To: RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 2:03:21 AM
Subject: [Remotemedics.co.uk] Re: Medical Urban Legends

                 Barbara I highly doubt either of our careers are in jeopardy.

John,

Wow.  Jeez.  Where do I even begin.  Okay here goes.

Thus Begineth the lesson

While empiric studies are the gold standard, anecdotal reports are a
valid, recognized source of information when they come first hand
from a knowledgable, reliable source and are taken in context with
appropriate reservation.

Studies are only as foolproof as the fools who wrote them.

Remember Rescue Johnny flipping the caps off his "Amp of Bicarb"
BristaJet? Studies showed Bicarb as a first line cardiac arrest
drug.  Right up to when more studies showed that it was ensuring a
dying heart would become a dead heart. What about the routine
practice of high volume crystaloid fluid resuscitation that is now
shown to be exactly the WRONG thing to do?  Research that came about
from a retrospectives analysis done because of ANECDOTAL reports of
high survivability rates in British wounded during the Falklands
war.  There was once an excellent study that recommended prophylactic
thalidimide to pregnant women, and then anecdotal reports of birth
defects.  Can I get a round of applause from the flipper babies for
Anecdotal Evidence?  Anecdotally people on Rogaine for high blood
pressure grew hair.  Anecdotally Wellbutrin aided in smoking
cessation.  They were both studied to find out...Tadaah! The
anecdotes reported by experienced clinicians were validated by
analysis.

Okay, so lets look at the other side of the coin.  If it hasn't been
studied it must be VooDoo? Let's see.  The Mayans taught their
children to chew a certain kind of tree bark to releive pain. I doubt
the Mayans ever did a study on it.  The acid refined from this bark
is commonly called aspirin...The cardiac benefits would be realized
much later...Andean indians were certain that chewing coca leaves
gave them energy.  They must have had a paper on the subject...The
Nightclubbing benefits would be realized much later...(Leatitia in
case you didn't catch it that was a joke) The Chitosan dressings that
are all the rage are made from ground up seashells.  Maggots are used
to debride wounds just as they were in ancient times.  Leeches were
reviled by medics of the "scientific age" right up to when they
realized ...oooh that works to stimulate blood flow to vascularly
compromised tissue...In asia medics would make potions from poppies
to releive pain.  I wonder how they designed their double blind
clinical trials? Nightshade elixers were used to treat cardiac
conditions long before anyone refined digitalis, or even really knew
how the heart worked.  They just knew the nightshade worked. No
anabolic steroid has never been formally studied for the promotion of
hypertrophic muscle growth.  Better cancel the next Arnold Classic.
None of those biceps are really there. How many times in your 20
years have you injected Lidocaine into a cardiac arrest patient?  Now
try and find the original human clinical trials that put Lidocaine
into the ACLS protocols.  You will be looking for a long time. Should
I keep going?

So grandma was wrong about the butter. Let it go. Are all home
remedies valid?  No, of course not.  That is why we consult..TRAINED
PROVIDERS as to what has worked for them instead of the old women at
the sewing circle...Hi Aunt Emma! I am eating my potato skins!..
(Aunt Emma who incidentally was a physician, BU Med class of '39 the
only woman in her class)

If nothing else, what happened to the placebo effect?  The efficacy
of placebos have been well studied.  If the patient beleives it will
work, and it will not do harm then why not?

Studies are a nice boat to float in, but sometimes we find ourselves
in situations where there is no choice but to swim.  When the shit
really hits the fan who would you rather have with you, a quick
thinker, or an accurate citation quoter?

Also remember your shore/offshore background, and truly remote work
are two different animals.  On remotes you may not always have
helicopters on call, fancy burn dressings, or even a nice roll of
cling film. The hallmark of a good practitioner is to always be
questioning and refining your methods, keeping your mind open to all
the possibilities of the world, and if possible backing them up with
a well designed study.

Every single treatment you use in the ER or on the Oil Rig started
out as one guy saying to another..."you know what I found works well
for that?"

So spake Sumo
Thus endeth the lesson-

In the future try to use the bathroom before we leave the house.
These stops are really taking the joy out of the trip.

God forgives all of your mitakes
Society forgives some of your mistake
Evolution forgives none of your mistakes
-???

--- In RemoteSupportMedics @yahoogroups. com, "cpfmedic" <cpfmedic@.. .>
wrote: Something  useful!!!! Potato skins on burns….

Does anyone else out there want to seriously reduce their chances of
future employment by posting one of these nuggets of research based
clinical efficacy that I somehow missed in my 20 odd years in
healthcare positions?
Working in U.K A/E departments and in the oil and gas industry
internationally I've seen lots of patients present with `alternative'
dressings and first aid measures ( including the already mentioned
butter on burns; it's a pity those fats do like to retain heat… shame
it seemed such a lovely idea)  which have included toothpaste on
burns, tobacco, curry powder, flour, dried herbs and numerous other
everyday items in wounds and I've spent many an hour  having to clean
them out of burns and open wounds and trying to re- educate the
patients.  I really don't expect to find people recommending them on
a site like this.  Anyone got a  research paper on the use of horse
s**t  poultices handy ...there seems to be a lot of it about?

> John




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Dear P
Sorry about that, very rude of me to say the least.  Misplaced sense of humour
at the tail-end of two nightshifts with no sleep inbetween.
Rgds
Barbara

----- Original Message ----
From: Barbara Amor <brbramor@...>
To: RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:06:16 PM
Subject: [Remotemedics.co.uk] Re: B. Amor

                 Dear Peter
...and I'll whip your butt on the pool-table, that should stop the
blush!!
Rgds
B

--- In RemoteSupportMedics @yahoogroups. com, peter mitchell
<treetop_bay@ ...> wrote:
>
> My dear lady,
>
>   You have a lovely romantic name AND you had a pub...good grief
why didn't you say so.....apart from that I like the way you say
things...so does Wilf I can tell because his spelling was suddenly
better.
>
>   Blushingly
>
>   P.
>
> Barbara Amor <brbramor@.. .> wrote:
>           Hi Letitia
>
> It was a joke!! Before I sold my pub (so couldn't go) I got a
> joboffer on a drilling ship departing from Singapore, and they
wanted
> a photo, amongst other things before they offered me the job...
>
> --- In RemoteSupportMedics @yahoogroups. com, "Laetitia de Beer"
> <letsdebeer@ > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Barbara
> >
> > Sending your photo?????? Why do woman have to display themselves
to
> be employable?? ?
> > Very cheap, very cheap....... .......have some self respect, don't
> listen to every person who sends you information.
> > I have been offshore and have never had to display myself via a
> photo to attract the male eye for a damn job!!!!!
> >
> > Woman need to stop putting themselves out cheaply to get a job,
you
> have all the papers to get a job, USE IT!!! No where
> > have I heard that you have to provide a photo to get a job, what
> has what you look like got to do with the JOB???
> >
> > Jeeeez!!!!!! !!
> >
> >
> > From: Barbara Amor
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:31 AM
> > To: RemoteSupportMedics @yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: Re: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Foot in the door for B. Amor
> >
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> > If it will help me get a job offshore I'll supply a photo-album! !
I
> phoned Oilfieldmedics on Friday, that's why I asked about where I
can
> get an Offshore Medic cert. in South Africa, as that is one of
their
> requirements, and he couldn't point me in the right direction
locally.
> > Barbara
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: peter mitchell <treetop_bay@ >
> > To: RemoteSupportMedics @yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 1:35:20 PM
> > Subject: [Remotemedics. co.uk] Foot in the door for B. Amor
> >
> > Dear B. Amor,
> >
> > Try 'Oilfieldmedics' in Uk and without being rude, just for a bit
> of fun with a name like yours posting a photo may help as well...!
> >
> > P
> >
> > brbramor <brbramor@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > Hello all. I'm a South African S.R.N with 20 years I.C.U/Trauma
> exp,
> > have completed the Offshore Survival course in November, doing
the
> > ACCLS course end of this month, and I'm looking for a vacancy
> worldwide
> > (except Nigeria) preferably 28/28 rotation..any advice out there?
> Have
> > joined the likes of Rigzone, Monster etc etc...What is the "going
> rate"
> > for offshore Medics? Any-one know of any possible vacancies? What
> can
> > I do to improve my chances/
> >
> > I'll certainly appreciate ANY help
> >
> > Regards
> > Barbara Amor
> >
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[mailto:RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of peter mitchell
Sent: 26 March 2008 12:24
To: RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com
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Ian,

judy.mason@... <mailto:judy.mason%40frontiermedical.co.uk>


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P.

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All,

Can anyone give me a current email address for Judy Mason and Bob Mark of
Frontier

Thanks

Ian

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and follow the money.
who did the studies,and why?
to find out what happened?
to prove a hypothesis?
to disprove one?
who paid?
why did they pay?
My personal fave is that in the 70s,over 95% of
airline crash victims had eaten pickle in the previous
6 hours prior to fatal crash.
so avoid pickle and live!
of course the fact that all airline meals contained
pickle kind of junks that theory-but its where the
evidence leads,if you don't contextualise.
and hermeneutics is always a valid technique.
meaning of evidence is not always agreed on.
consider the statement that 49.9 per cent of a
population are unwell.
the statment that the majority of folk in that country
are well is true.
but misleading-spin,veiwpoint,opinion?
seeing something work or a valid source seeing it work
can be expanded on by experimentation or examination.
but beware the effect of "I danced with a man, who
danced with a girl, who danced with the prince of
wales" effect!
rumour control can sometimes have quality control
issues.
Had a car crash outside the plant yesterday-some minor
injuries- scrapes and bruises.
On the bus home many informed sources were explaining
all the critical injuries/deaths they knew had
happened.
as they say in Glasgow-aye,right!(2 positives here
means a negative).
Fraser



<sumoparamedic@...> wrote:

> Barbara I highly doubt either of our careers are in
> jeopardy.
>
> John,
>
>    Wow.  Jeez.  Where do I even begin.  Okay here
> goes.
>
> Thus Begineth the lesson
>
> While empiric studies are the gold standard,
> anecdotal reports are a
> valid, recognized source of information when they
> come first hand
> from a knowledgable, reliable source and are taken
> in context with
> appropriate reservation.
>
> Studies are only as foolproof as the fools who wrote
> them.
>
> Remember Rescue Johnny flipping the caps off his
> "Amp of Bicarb"
> BristaJet? Studies showed Bicarb as a first line
> cardiac arrest
> drug.  Right up to when more studies showed that it
> was ensuring a
> dying heart would become a dead heart. What about
> the routine
> practice of high volume crystaloid fluid
> resuscitation that is now
> shown to be exactly the WRONG thing to do?  Research
> that came about
> from a retrospectives analysis done because of
> ANECDOTAL reports of
> high survivability rates in British wounded during
> the Falklands
> war.  There was once an excellent study that
> recommended prophylactic
> thalidimide to pregnant women, and then anecdotal
> reports of birth
> defects.  Can I get a round of applause from the
> flipper babies for
> Anecdotal Evidence?  Anecdotally people on Rogaine
> for high blood
> pressure grew hair.  Anecdotally Wellbutrin aided in
> smoking
> cessation.  They were both studied to find
> out...Tadaah! The
> anecdotes reported by experienced clinicians were
> validated by
> analysis.
>
> Okay, so lets look at the other side of the coin.
> If it hasn't been
> studied it must be VooDoo? Let's see.  The Mayans
> taught their
> children to chew a certain kind of tree bark to
> releive pain. I doubt
> the Mayans ever did a study on it.  The acid refined
> from this bark
> is commonly called aspirin...The cardiac benefits
> would be realized
> much later...Andean indians were certain that
> chewing coca leaves
> gave them energy.  They must have had a paper on the
> subject...The
> Nightclubbing benefits would be realized much
> later...(Leatitia in
> case you didn't catch it that was a joke) The
> Chitosan dressings that
> are all the rage are made from ground up seashells.
> Maggots are used
> to debride wounds just as they were in ancient
> times.  Leeches were
> reviled by medics of the "scientific age" right up
> to when they
> realized ...oooh that works to stimulate blood flow
> to vascularly
> compromised tissue...In asia medics would make
> potions from poppies
> to releive pain.  I wonder how they designed their
> double blind
> clinical trials? Nightshade elixers were used to
> treat cardiac
> conditions long before anyone refined digitalis, or
> even really knew
> how the heart worked.  They just knew the nightshade
> worked. No
> anabolic steroid has never been formally studied for
> the promotion of
> hypertrophic muscle growth.  Better cancel the next
> Arnold Classic.
> None of those biceps are really there. How many
> times in your 20
> years have you injected Lidocaine into a cardiac
> arrest patient?  Now
> try and find the original human clinical trials that
> put Lidocaine
> into the ACLS protocols.  You will be looking for a
> long time. Should
> I keep going?
>
> So grandma was wrong about the butter. Let it go.
> Are all home
> remedies valid?  No, of course not.  That is why we
> consult..TRAINED
> PROVIDERS as to what has worked for them instead of
> the old women at
> the sewing circle...Hi Aunt Emma! I am eating my
> potato skins!..
> (Aunt Emma who incidentally was a physician, BU Med
> class of '39 the
> only woman in her class)
>
> If nothing else, what happened to the placebo
> effect?  The efficacy
> of placebos have been well studied.  If the patient
> beleives it will
> work, and it will not do harm then why not?
>
> Studies are a nice boat to float in, but sometimes
> we find ourselves
> in situations where there is no choice but to swim.
> When the shit
> really hits the fan who would you rather have with
> you, a quick
> thinker, or an accurate citation quoter?
>
> Also remember your shore/offshore background, and
> truly remote work
> are two different animals.  On remotes you may not
> always have
> helicopters on call, fancy burn dressings, or even a
> nice roll of
> cling film. The hallmark of a good practitioner is
> to always be
> questioning and refining your methods, keeping your
> mind open to all
> the possibilities of the world, and if possible
> backing them up with
> a well designed study.
>
> Every single treatment you use in the ER or on the
> Oil Rig started
> out as one guy saying to another..."you know what I
> found works well
> for that?"
>
>
> So spake Sumo
> Thus endeth the lesson-
>
> In the future try to use the bathroom before we
> leave the house.
> These stops are really taking the joy out of the
> trip.
>
>
> God forgives all of your mitakes
> Society forgives some of your mistake
> Evolution forgives none of your mistakes
> -???
>
> --- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com,
> "cpfmedic" <cpfmedic@...>
> wrote: Something  useful!!!! Potato skins on burns….
>
> Does anyone else out there want to seriously reduce
> their chances of
> future employment by posting one of these nuggets of
> research based
> clinical efficacy that I somehow missed in my 20 odd
> years in
> healthcare positions?
> Working in U.K A/E departments and in the oil and
> gas industry
> internationally I've seen lots of patients present
> with `alternative'
> dressings and first aid measures ( including the
> already mentioned
> butter on burns; it's a pity those fats do like to
> retain heat… shame
> it seemed such a lovely idea)  which have included
> toothpaste on
> burns, tobacco, curry powder, flour, dried herbs and
> numerous other
> everyday items in wounds and I've spent many an hour
>  having to clean
> them out of burns and open wounds and trying to re-
> educate the
> patients.  I really don't expect to find people
> recommending them on
> a site like this.  Anyone got a  research paper on
> the use of horse
> s**t  poultices handy ...there seems to be a lot of
> it about?
>
> > John
>
>
>
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Excellent rebuttal Paul!! Thanks for the well explained and accurate reasoning.
I doubt if it will make much impression on some Neanderthal xenophobes we have
seen on this site, but then thats OK.



----- Original Message ----
From: Paul <sumoparamedic@...>
To: RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 26 March, 2008 5:33:21 AM
Subject: [Remotemedics.co.uk] Re: Medical Urban Legends

Barbara I highly doubt either of our careers are in jeopardy.

John,

Wow. Jeez. Where do I even begin. Okay here goes.

Thus Begineth the lesson

While empiric studies are the gold standard, anecdotal reports are a
valid, recognized source of information when they come first hand
from a knowledgable, reliable source and are taken in context with
appropriate reservation.

Studies are only as foolproof as the fools who wrote them.

Remember Rescue Johnny flipping the caps off his "Amp of Bicarb"
BristaJet? Studies showed Bicarb as a first line cardiac arrest
drug. Right up to when more studies showed that it was ensuring a
dying heart would become a dead heart. What about the routine
practice of high volume crystaloid fluid resuscitation that is now
shown to be exactly the WRONG thing to do? Research that came about
from a retrospectives analysis done because of ANECDOTAL reports of
high survivability rates in British wounded during the Falklands
war. There was once an excellent study that recommended prophylactic
thalidimide to pregnant women, and then anecdotal reports of birth
defects. Can I get a round of applause from the flipper babies for
Anecdotal Evidence? Anecdotally people on Rogaine for high blood
pressure grew hair. Anecdotally Wellbutrin aided in smoking
cessation. They were both studied to find out...Tadaah! The
anecdotes reported by experienced clinicians were validated by
analysis.

Okay, so lets look at the other side of the coin. If it hasn't been
studied it must be VooDoo? Let's see. The Mayans taught their
children to chew a certain kind of tree bark to releive pain. I doubt
the Mayans ever did a study on it. The acid refined from this bark
is commonly called aspirin...The cardiac benefits would be realized
much later...Andean indians were certain that chewing coca leaves
gave them energy. They must have had a paper on the subject...The
Nightclubbing benefits would be realized much later...(Leatitia in
case you didn't catch it that was a joke) The Chitosan dressings that
are all the rage are made from ground up seashells. Maggots are used
to debride wounds just as they were in ancient times. Leeches were
reviled by medics of the "scientific age" right up to when they
realized ...oooh that works to stimulate blood flow to vascularly
compromised tissue...In asia medics would make potions from poppies
to releive pain. I wonder how they designed their double blind
clinical trials? Nightshade elixers were used to treat cardiac
conditions long before anyone refined digitalis, or even really knew
how the heart worked. They just knew the nightshade worked. No
anabolic steroid has never been formally studied for the promotion of
hypertrophic muscle growth. Better cancel the next Arnold Classic.
None of those biceps are really there. How many times in your 20
years have you injected Lidocaine into a cardiac arrest patient? Now
try and find the original human clinical trials that put Lidocaine
into the ACLS protocols. You will be looking for a long time. Should
I keep going?

So grandma was wrong about the butter. Let it go. Are all home
remedies valid? No, of course not. That is why we consult..TRAINED
PROVIDERS as to what has worked for them instead of the old women at
the sewing circle...Hi Aunt Emma! I am eating my potato skins!..
(Aunt Emma who incidentally was a physician, BU Med class of '39 the
only woman in her class)

If nothing else, what happened to the placebo effect? The efficacy
of placebos have been well studied. If the patient beleives it will
work, and it will not do harm then why not?

Studies are a nice boat to float in, but sometimes we find ourselves
in situations where there is no choice but to swim. When the shit
really hits the fan who would you rather have with you, a quick
thinker, or an accurate citation quoter?

Also remember your shore/offshore background, and truly remote work
are two different animals. On remotes you may not always have
helicopters on call, fancy burn dressings, or even a nice roll of
cling film. The hallmark of a good practitioner is to always be
questioning and refining your methods, keeping your mind open to all
the possibilities of the world, and if possible backing them up with
a well designed study.

Every single treatment you use in the ER or on the Oil Rig started
out as one guy saying to another..."you know what I found works well
for that?"

So spake Sumo
Thus endeth the lesson-

In the future try to use the bathroom before we leave the house.
These stops are really taking the joy out of the trip.

God forgives all of your mitakes
Society forgives some of your mistake
Evolution forgives none of your mistakes
-???

--- In RemoteSupportMedics @yahoogroups. com, "cpfmedic" <cpfmedic@.. .>
wrote: Something useful!!!! Potato skins on burns….

Does anyone else out there want to seriously reduce their chances of
future employment by posting one of these nuggets of research based
clinical efficacy that I somehow missed in my 20 odd years in
healthcare positions?
Working in U.K A/E departments and in the oil and gas industry
internationally I've seen lots of patients present with `alternative'
dressings and first aid measures ( including the already mentioned
butter on burns; it's a pity those fats do like to retain heat… shame
it seemed such a lovely idea) which have included toothpaste on
burns, tobacco, curry powder, flour, dried herbs and numerous other
everyday items in wounds and I've spent many an hour having to clean
them out of burns and open wounds and trying to re- educate the
patients. I really don't expect to find people recommending them on
a site like this. Anyone got a research paper on the use of horse
s**t poultices handy ...there seems to be a lot of it about?

> John





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   bob.mark@...

   P.

Ian Sharpe <irsharpe@...> wrote:
           All,

Can anyone give me a current email address for Judy Mason and Bob Mark of
Frontier

Thanks

Ian

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A very eloquent response Paul but we've moved a long way from potato
skins on burns.

A useful point to remember when considering treatment options is to
add the words "Your honour" at the end of any explanation you come up
with...just as you would when you find yourself in court trying to
defend your actions.

Barbara originally asserted that her treatment 'reduced pain and
scarring'...as opposed to what exactly? By all means say I've used
something and it and it worked for me personally but lets not try and
dress it up and give it validity by implying it goes beyond that.

I personally can't imagine any scenario in which I'd find myself in
a 'truly remote' location armed with the ability to boil water, have
a potato handy, possibly have a microwave and clingfilm at hand and
then chose this as a treatment option.

Barbara, by the way I have a have a 20cm x10cm scar from sustaining a
deep dermal burn. I know something of burn dressings.

John





--- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com, "Paul"
<sumoparamedic@...> wrote:
>
> Barbara I highly doubt either of our careers are in jeopardy.
>
> John,
>
>    Wow.  Jeez.  Where do I even begin.  Okay here goes.
>
> Thus Begineth the lesson
>
> While empiric studies are the gold standard, anecdotal reports are
a
> valid, recognized source of information when they come first hand
> from a knowledgable, reliable source and are taken in context with
> appropriate reservation.
>
> Studies are only as foolproof as the fools who wrote them.
>
> Remember Rescue Johnny flipping the caps off his "Amp of Bicarb"
> BristaJet? Studies showed Bicarb as a first line cardiac arrest
> drug.  Right up to when more studies showed that it was ensuring a
> dying heart would become a dead heart. What about the routine
> practice of high volume crystaloid fluid resuscitation that is now
> shown to be exactly the WRONG thing to do?  Research that came
about
> from a retrospectives analysis done because of ANECDOTAL reports of
> high survivability rates in British wounded during the Falklands
> war.  There was once an excellent study that recommended
prophylactic
> thalidimide to pregnant women, and then anecdotal reports of birth
> defects.  Can I get a round of applause from the flipper babies for
> Anecdotal Evidence?  Anecdotally people on Rogaine for high blood
> pressure grew hair.  Anecdotally Wellbutrin aided in smoking
> cessation.  They were both studied to find out...Tadaah! The
> anecdotes reported by experienced clinicians were validated by
> analysis.
>
> Okay, so lets look at the other side of the coin.  If it hasn't
been
> studied it must be VooDoo? Let's see.  The Mayans taught their
> children to chew a certain kind of tree bark to releive pain. I
doubt
> the Mayans ever did a study on it.  The acid refined from this bark
> is commonly called aspirin...The cardiac benefits would be realized
> much later...Andean indians were certain that chewing coca leaves
> gave them energy.  They must have had a paper on the subject...The
> Nightclubbing benefits would be realized much later...(Leatitia in
> case you didn't catch it that was a joke) The Chitosan dressings
that
> are all the rage are made from ground up seashells.  Maggots are
used
> to debride wounds just as they were in ancient times.  Leeches were
> reviled by medics of the "scientific age" right up to when they
> realized ...oooh that works to stimulate blood flow to vascularly
> compromised tissue...In asia medics would make potions from poppies
> to releive pain.  I wonder how they designed their double blind
> clinical trials? Nightshade elixers were used to treat cardiac
> conditions long before anyone refined digitalis, or even really
knew
> how the heart worked.  They just knew the nightshade worked. No
> anabolic steroid has never been formally studied for the promotion
of
> hypertrophic muscle growth.  Better cancel the next Arnold Classic.
> None of those biceps are really there. How many times in your 20
> years have you injected Lidocaine into a cardiac arrest patient?
Now
> try and find the original human clinical trials that put Lidocaine
> into the ACLS protocols.  You will be looking for a long time.
Should
> I keep going?
>
> So grandma was wrong about the butter. Let it go. Are all home
> remedies valid?  No, of course not.  That is why we
consult..TRAINED
> PROVIDERS as to what has worked for them instead of the old women
at
> the sewing circle...Hi Aunt Emma! I am eating my potato skins!..
> (Aunt Emma who incidentally was a physician, BU Med class of '39
the
> only woman in her class)
>
> If nothing else, what happened to the placebo effect?  The efficacy
> of placebos have been well studied.  If the patient beleives it
will
> work, and it will not do harm then why not?
>
> Studies are a nice boat to float in, but sometimes we find
ourselves
> in situations where there is no choice but to swim.  When the shit
> really hits the fan who would you rather have with you, a quick
> thinker, or an accurate citation quoter?
>
> Also remember your shore/offshore background, and truly remote work
> are two different animals.  On remotes you may not always have
> helicopters on call, fancy burn dressings, or even a nice roll of
> cling film. The hallmark of a good practitioner is to always be
> questioning and refining your methods, keeping your mind open to
all
> the possibilities of the world, and if possible backing them up
with
> a well designed study.
>
> Every single treatment you use in the ER or on the Oil Rig started
> out as one guy saying to another..."you know what I found works
well
> for that?"
>
>
> So spake Sumo
> Thus endeth the lesson-
>
> In the future try to use the bathroom before we leave the house.
> These stops are really taking the joy out of the trip.
>
>
> God forgives all of your mitakes
> Society forgives some of your mistake
> Evolution forgives none of your mistakes
> -???
>
> --- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com, "cpfmedic" <cpfmedic@>
> wrote: Something  useful!!!! Potato skins on burns….
>
> Does anyone else out there want to seriously reduce their chances
of
> future employment by posting one of these nuggets of research based
> clinical efficacy that I somehow missed in my 20 odd years in
> healthcare positions?
> Working in U.K A/E departments and in the oil and gas industry
> internationally I've seen lots of patients present with
`alternative'
> dressings and first aid measures ( including the already mentioned
> butter on burns; it's a pity those fats do like to retain heat…
shame
> it seemed such a lovely idea)  which have included toothpaste on
> burns, tobacco, curry powder, flour, dried herbs and numerous other
> everyday items in wounds and I've spent many an hour  having to
clean
> them out of burns and open wounds and trying to re- educate the
> patients.  I really don't expect to find people recommending them
on
> a site like this.  Anyone got a  research paper on the use of horse
> s**t  poultices handy ...there seems to be a lot of it about?
>
> > John
>

Hi Ian,

Roy Hayes, one of the members will be able to help you. He works for
Frontier. Stay well and be safe.

Rgds
Byron

--- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Sharpe"
<irsharpe@...> wrote:
>
> All,
>
>
>
> Can anyone give me a current email address for Judy Mason and Bob
Mark of
> Frontier
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> Ian Sharpe
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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> Tel. (Cy) + 357 99358421
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>
>
>
> Skype UID - irsharpe
>
> IM - ian_the_medic@...
>
> "Sharpe's Retreat"
> 5 Spyrou Kyprianou
> Diana 35
> 8280 Mesoyi
> Paphos
>
>
>
> "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough
men stand
> ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

All,



Can anyone give me a current email address for Judy Mason and Bob Mark of
Frontier



Thanks



Ian





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We use Potassium Permanganate to wash salads from less solubrious suppliers in
colourful lands...the kind who would have Gordan Ramsay washing their willies
with the carrot grater...!

P

fraser kelly <fraserkelly2001@...> wrote:                            
read David Nivans first autobiography-the moons a
  ballon.
  he explains how his first visit to a whorehouse, had
  him washing his willy in a potassium permanganate
  solution-its an antiseptic and anti fungal.
  apparently usual practice in pre second world war
  days.
  Fraser

  --- nomad_medic <nomad_medic@...> wrote:

  > Well there are the old 'Butter on a burn to stop the
  > pain' and 'Put a
  > wallet in the mouth of a seizing patient so they
  > don't bite their
  > tongue off'
  >
  > Not sure if this qualifies but one of the other guys
  > here and I had a
  > shared patient (crew change) that read that Lysol
  > spray had
  > antibacterial properties so he used it to self treat
  > THE CLAP!
  >
  > Also had what appears to be common knowledge to all
  > Ukrainians is that
  > if you put 'a few' crystals of Potassium
  > Permanganate into 'about 2L'
  > of water so it is 'a little purple' then drink this
  > as quick as you
  > can, it will induce vomiting and cure all stomach
  > ailments. There was
  > something more about using it as a douche but I
  > can't remember the
  > details.
  >
  > NM
  >
  >

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Barbara I highly doubt either of our careers are in jeopardy.

John,

    Wow.  Jeez.  Where do I even begin.  Okay here goes.

Thus Begineth the lesson

While empiric studies are the gold standard, anecdotal reports are a
valid, recognized source of information when they come first hand
from a knowledgable, reliable source and are taken in context with
appropriate reservation.

Studies are only as foolproof as the fools who wrote them.

Remember Rescue Johnny flipping the caps off his "Amp of Bicarb"
BristaJet? Studies showed Bicarb as a first line cardiac arrest
drug.  Right up to when more studies showed that it was ensuring a
dying heart would become a dead heart. What about the routine
practice of high volume crystaloid fluid resuscitation that is now
shown to be exactly the WRONG thing to do?  Research that came about
from a retrospectives analysis done because of ANECDOTAL reports of
high survivability rates in British wounded during the Falklands
war.  There was once an excellent study that recommended prophylactic
thalidimide to pregnant women, and then anecdotal reports of birth
defects.  Can I get a round of applause from the flipper babies for
Anecdotal Evidence?  Anecdotally people on Rogaine for high blood
pressure grew hair.  Anecdotally Wellbutrin aided in smoking
cessation.  They were both studied to find out...Tadaah! The
anecdotes reported by experienced clinicians were validated by
analysis.

Okay, so lets look at the other side of the coin.  If it hasn't been
studied it must be VooDoo? Let's see.  The Mayans taught their
children to chew a certain kind of tree bark to releive pain. I doubt
the Mayans ever did a study on it.  The acid refined from this bark
is commonly called aspirin...The cardiac benefits would be realized
much later...Andean indians were certain that chewing coca leaves
gave them energy.  They must have had a paper on the subject...The
Nightclubbing benefits would be realized much later...(Leatitia in
case you didn't catch it that was a joke) The Chitosan dressings that
are all the rage are made from ground up seashells.  Maggots are used
to debride wounds just as they were in ancient times.  Leeches were
reviled by medics of the "scientific age" right up to when they
realized ...oooh that works to stimulate blood flow to vascularly
compromised tissue...In asia medics would make potions from poppies
to releive pain.  I wonder how they designed their double blind
clinical trials? Nightshade elixers were used to treat cardiac
conditions long before anyone refined digitalis, or even really knew
how the heart worked.  They just knew the nightshade worked. No
anabolic steroid has never been formally studied for the promotion of
hypertrophic muscle growth.  Better cancel the next Arnold Classic.
None of those biceps are really there. How many times in your 20
years have you injected Lidocaine into a cardiac arrest patient?  Now
try and find the original human clinical trials that put Lidocaine
into the ACLS protocols.  You will be looking for a long time. Should
I keep going?

So grandma was wrong about the butter. Let it go. Are all home
remedies valid?  No, of course not.  That is why we consult..TRAINED
PROVIDERS as to what has worked for them instead of the old women at
the sewing circle...Hi Aunt Emma! I am eating my potato skins!..
(Aunt Emma who incidentally was a physician, BU Med class of '39 the
only woman in her class)

If nothing else, what happened to the placebo effect?  The efficacy
of placebos have been well studied.  If the patient beleives it will
work, and it will not do harm then why not?

Studies are a nice boat to float in, but sometimes we find ourselves
in situations where there is no choice but to swim.  When the shit
really hits the fan who would you rather have with you, a quick
thinker, or an accurate citation quoter?

Also remember your shore/offshore background, and truly remote work
are two different animals.  On remotes you may not always have
helicopters on call, fancy burn dressings, or even a nice roll of
cling film. The hallmark of a good practitioner is to always be
questioning and refining your methods, keeping your mind open to all
the possibilities of the world, and if possible backing them up with
a well designed study.

Every single treatment you use in the ER or on the Oil Rig started
out as one guy saying to another..."you know what I found works well
for that?"


So spake Sumo
Thus endeth the lesson-

In the future try to use the bathroom before we leave the house.
These stops are really taking the joy out of the trip.


God forgives all of your mitakes
Society forgives some of your mistake
Evolution forgives none of your mistakes
-???

--- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com, "cpfmedic" <cpfmedic@...>
wrote: Something  useful!!!! Potato skins on burns….

Does anyone else out there want to seriously reduce their chances of
future employment by posting one of these nuggets of research based
clinical efficacy that I somehow missed in my 20 odd years in
healthcare positions?
Working in U.K A/E departments and in the oil and gas industry
internationally I've seen lots of patients present with `alternative'
dressings and first aid measures ( including the already mentioned
butter on burns; it's a pity those fats do like to retain heat… shame
it seemed such a lovely idea)  which have included toothpaste on
burns, tobacco, curry powder, flour, dried herbs and numerous other
everyday items in wounds and I've spent many an hour  having to clean
them out of burns and open wounds and trying to re- educate the
patients.  I really don't expect to find people recommending them on
a site like this.  Anyone got a  research paper on the use of horse
s**t  poultices handy ...there seems to be a lot of it about?

> John

Dear Byron/Peter, other friends

Hope you guys had a great Easter and thanks for those in support. I
worked nightshift (goody!!..  double time) the whole w/e.  I am not
frightened by "lady's" feminist attacks, can handle them.  It's the
attack on my professional capability by some-one who deems himself
uber-clever claiming that my "nuggets" of wisdom will impair my job-
hunting that upset me. Bet he is not man enough to try the remedy
either!

Still happily jobhunting, just hope future employers believe
in "mythical" medication.

Regards from sunny South Africa
Barbs


--- In RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com, peter mitchell
<treetop_bay@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Byron,
>   A Happy Easter to you also dear boy and since you asked then as
you may have 'those' clients with the never ending questions
of 'Healthy Eating and Drinking'.....yes even in Iraq...in between
action some of the gals and guys must ponder these things.....then
here is the definitive list of answers to post on your clinic door,
tent flap or cave entrance, whichever applies...and enjoy the
reactions...keep well and trust in allah but hobble your camel at
night...etc.
>
>   P
>
>   PS; I think 1 particular 'lady's' response to the matter of the
lovely medic B Amor (& pub owner) sort of frightened some people,
including me - (which will surprise a lot of folk) - who never knew
if one of the ship's passing in the night might let rip with an anti
male chauvanist pig missile (AMCPM)...if you get my drift...and hi
to B if you read this.
>
> byronfawcus <byronfawcus@...> wrote:
>           Hi all,
>
> The site is awfully quiet! Start a topic? Where's Amor? Bring more
> fantasies and some jokes to the site? To the guy who wants to come
over
> to Iraq.
>
> Bring your "butt" over here and come over and enjoy and go back
home
> safe. Currently in the desert, sand storms and mossies giving me
hell.
> Laptop,Ipod and mosie net a definite yes. Attitude a no and just
keep a
> low pro. It's great to be in Iraq.
>
> To my American colleagues is it true that an EMT-I can do the
> paramedics course in six months? Just asking? Stay safe you all.
>
> Kind regards
> Byron Fawcus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hey Jo,



Thanks for the info,



Kal



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[mailto:RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jo M
Sent: 09 March 2008 13:48
To: RemoteSupportMedics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [Remotemedics.co.uk] AMS Medication advice



Hi,

The UIAA Mountain Medicine Cent re (the UIAA is an international federation
of climbing associations of which the British Mountaineering Council is the
UK section) produced some great info for excatly this purpose. They are :

Mountain Sickness, Oedemas and Travel to High Altitude
Climbing at Extreme Altitudes
Diamox, Decadron and Nifedipine at High Altitude
First Aid kits
Sunscreens
Frostbite
International transport of drugs & oxygen
Oxygen Systems
Deaths at High Altitude
Oral Contraceptive Pill at High Altitude
Portable compression chambers
Travel and Immunisation

The above sheets are downlaodable free at: http://www.thebmc.
<http://www.thebmc.co.uk/Feature.aspx?id=1921> co.uk/Feature.aspx?id=1921

Also Medical Expeditions produce an A6 44 page pamphlet on 'Travel at High
Altitude' which you can get your friends to download free from
www.medex.org.uk This is especially good as its up to date (2007) and covers
a wide range of problems beyond AMS which can be faced at Altitude and is
NOT aimed at medics.

Here I am presuming the group are laypersons - if not the standard english
speaking text remains 'High Altitude Medicine & Physiology' - now in its
fourth edition - 2007 West, Schoene, Milledge. The 5th edition of Wilderness
Medicine by Auerbach (2007 print, 2316 pages...) also covers the area
extensively. Research is on-going and can be watched via the two main
english speaking journals in the field - 'Wilderness & Environmental
Medicine' (Wilderness Medical Society) and 'High Altitude Medicine &
Biology' (International Society for Mountain Medicine).

Hope that's of use,

Yours

Jo Middleton

Kalpesh Diyar <kalpesh.diyar@ <mailto:kalpesh.diyar%40ntlworld.com>
ntlworld.com> wrote: 3500m<

Himalaya

Gen consensus for medication for ams

Hello All,

I need some advice, a group of friends are planning a trekking holiday in
the Himalayas and I wonder what the current advice is on medication for AMS.

They tell me they would be walking around 3500m, possibly higher depending
on conditions and the groups ability/experience.

Any information would be gratefully received.

Thanks,

Kal

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Rob,

I hate what you have to say.
But by and large I have to agree with it.

LT

rob.davis@... wrote:
> On Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:06pm, Raffaele DiGiorgio
> <docmax203@...> said:
>> At the end of the day the only one that can answer your question is
>> you. The National Standard for EMT-P is very clearly spelled out.
>> Look at what the standards and skills are; then decide if you think
>> you can learn all that in the amount of time the course allows or
>> do you need a longer course?
>
> I truly wish it were that simple.  But the truth is, the vast
> majority of those in EMS are incapable of being that introspectively
> honest.  Everybody wants to think that they are the exception, and
> that they don't need all that book learnin' to be a great medic.
> That's why most people who have a choice will choose a four to six
> month tech school programme over a degree program, and then remain
> ignorant for the rest of their career, unwilling to admit that more
> education could make them a better provider.
>
> I certainly would not presume our friend Byron to be in that
> category.  But it is the norm in the U.S.
>
> Rob
>
> Rob Davis, RN,
> EMT-P Medical Clinic B9
> Camp Habbaniyah Al Anbar Province,
> Iraq
> Texas Cell: 817.905.3179

Hello,

   If he is going to work on a platform or a rig or a vessel attached to either
then he neds this certification...but if he wants to work on a vessel not
attached to rigs or platforms then he does not need this...!
   P

J Queen <macrattas@...> wrote:
           Thank You but would any of these training centers be
able to fully train him so when he completed the
traing he could work the North Sea
--- Larry Torrey <ltorrey@...> wrote:

> Here are some training centers.
>
> http://www.winterharbor.net/offshore2.html
>
> LT
>
> J Queen wrote:
> > HI
> > I am trying to help a friend obtain his offshore
> medic
> > training, he has never worked offshore before and
> , I
> > need some info on some training centers in the UK
> that
> > will take a person train them, I know you need
> your
> > RGIT but the medic courses, I need to know who
> puts
> > them on etc etc.
> > If any one can get back to me on this I would be
> > thankful
> > This will be a total job change for my friend and
> any
> > info would help
> > Cheers
> > Fred
> >
> >
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Hi,

The UIAA Mountain Medicine Cent re (the UIAA is an international federation of
climbing associations of which the British Mountaineering Council is the UK
section) produced some great info for excatly this purpose. They are :

Mountain Sickness, Oedemas and Travel to High Altitude
  Climbing at Extreme Altitudes
  Diamox, Decadron and Nifedipine at High Altitude
  First Aid kits
  Sunscreens
  Frostbite
  International transport of drugs & oxygen
  Oxygen Systems
  Deaths at High Altitude
  Oral Contraceptive Pill at High Altitude
  Portable compression chambers
  Travel and Immunisation

The above sheets are downlaodable free at: 
http://www.thebmc.co.uk/Feature.aspx?id=1921

Also Medical Expeditions produce an A6 44 page pamphlet on 'Travel at High
Altitude' which you can get your friends to download free from  www.medex.org.uk
This is especially good as its up to date (2007) and covers a wide range of
problems beyond AMS which can be faced at Altitude and is NOT aimed at medics.

Here I am presuming the group are laypersons - if not the standard english
speaking text remains 'High Altitude Medicine & Physiology' - now in its fourth
edition - 2007 West, Schoene, Milledge. The 5th edition of Wilderness Medicine
by Auerbach (2007 print, 2316 pages...) also covers the area extensively.
Research is on-going and can be watched via the two main english speaking
journals in the field - 'Wilderness & Environmental Medicine' (Wilderness
Medical Society) and 'High Altitude Medicine & Biology' (International Society
for Mountain Medicine).

Hope that's of use,

Yours

Jo Middleton

Kalpesh Diyar <kalpesh.diyar@...> wrote:                              
3500m<

  Himalaya

  Gen consensus for medication for ams

  Hello All,

  I need some advice, a group of friends are planning a trekking holiday in
  the Himalayas and I wonder what the current advice is on medication for AMS.

  They tell me they would be walking around 3500m, possibly higher depending
  on conditions and the groups ability/experience.

  Any information would be gratefully received.

  Thanks,

  Kal

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