Ellis,

The pancreas does produce insulin when one takes metfomin, but
to get the same results it produces less insulin.  Over time the
pancreas does not have to work so hard.


Ellis {So what is the REASON why you use metformin?  Because it is
a PILL and you don't inject it, or is it because you think that
INSULIN IS DANGEROUS?

Because whatever you can tell me about the benefit of metformin,
you might be right but the benefit of using insulin is greater,
as long as there is not a down side... and there isn't a downside,
if you use insulin correctly, which is very easy to learn to do.

- Ellis}




BTW, I test my blood sugar and experiment around and cinnamon is
helpful too.  It may not be as good as insulin injections, but
metformin is inexpensive and not hard to get a prescription to.

I am not diabetic but my doctor believes in keeping
blood sugar levels low and keeping the pancreas from working too hard.


{Yes... but your doctor has learned that INSULIN IS DANGEROUS,
and that is the reason why he looks for a substitute.  Tell
your doctor that I have used insulin 14,000 times, and that I
think it is better than metformin or cinnamon, and it is
not dangerous.  - Ellis}


My doctor said that sometimes, by the time people start taking
metformin, it is already too late, so she prefers to intervene early.


{She is a smart doctor.  I agree with her on everything except
that she doesn't prescribe insulin where she should.   But I
understand that she does not prescribe insulin, even if I could
convince her that it is better than metformin, because she might
lose her license for prescribing a safe hormone that other
doctors think is very dangerous... ... - Ellis}

I respect your opinions, but I have a very high opinion of this doctor,
partially because she sees so many people and bases her ideas on both research
and experience.  She thinks that metformin
takes some of the burden off the pancreas and it makes sense that
it would because it would produce less insulin to achieve the same
blood sugar levels.  That is what it means to have increased
insulin sensitivity.

-Don

Ellis: {No, that's not what it means to have increased insulin
sensitivity... but it doesn't matter.

I'm glad you are using metformin and I'm glad that you are
keeping your blood glucose controlled before you are diabetic.
I can't agree with everybody on everything, but I can agree with
some people on some things.  I agree with you and your doctor
on this.

Thanks for writing... - Ellis}


> Dear Ellis:
>
> Thank you for a most illuminating explanation of diabetes, HB-A1C,
> insulin, etc.
>
> I have a question for you. Do you think that many over the age
> of 50 should be daily consuming PROPHYLACTICALLY a minimal
> dose of Metformin in order to sharpen and maintain their aging
> insulin receptors?   Perhaps a 150 mg daily dose is warrented
> for anti-aging purposes?
>
> Respectfully yours,
>
> Rich
>
> {Hello Rich... This idea is not mine... I learned it from
> Dr. Ward Dean... Yes, if you do not want to use INSULIN
> which I think is the best, then the next best is metformin.
>
> But you have to understand what metformin does, and why I
> think it is not as good as insulin.
>
> Metformin reduces your resistance to insulin, thus it makes
> the insulin that your body produces more effective... but
> it does not stop your pancreas from producing insulin
> temporarily, which would be a good thing.  Injected insulin
> takes the burden off of your pancreas, so for that
> occasion your pancreas rests.  Later, if there is no
> injected insulin, your pancreas still works.
>
> It is false and utter nonsense that once you inject insulin
> you will forever stop your pancreas from producing insulin
> again, and you become insulin dependent.
>
> That is wrong, false, mistaken, and not true.
>
> When you lower your resistance to insulin, or increase
> your body's sensitivity to insulin with metformin, your
> blood glucose will probably be lower, but your pancreas
> will continue to produce insulin which will result in beta
> cell burnout.  Diabetes in effect is still advancing,
> but you have better glucose control for several years.
>
> This is the reason why many type 2 diabetics seem to be
> well enough controlled with metformin, but eventually
> they become type 1 diabetics.
>
> Dr. Marley does not agree that beta cells burn out, but
> Dr. Bernstein bases all his practice on avoiding beta cell
> burnout.  I am not a doctor, so I have to choose which one
> I should believe, and what Dr. Bernstein says makes more
> sense to me, because he has kept Diabetics Type 1 and
> Type II alive for 50 years including himself, by insisting
> that they should use insulin, and keep their blood glucose
> as close to 83 mg/dl as possible...
>
> So I prefer to agree with Dr. Bernstein.
>
> So whether beta cells burn out or not, I assume that they
> DO burn out because it helps me to visualize why I should
> use insulin and not metformin.
>
> So: Yes, something is better than nothing, and metformin
> is something... so I do think that taking metformin is
> good for anti-aging because it helps to keep blood glucose
> lower than it would have been... I don't know what dose
> that is, but you can find out your dose if you also check
> your blood glucose, and try to keep it about 85 mg/dl,
> especially the morning fasting blood glucose.
>
> But I prefer to use insulin, which also keeps blood glucose
> lower than it would have been and it is as cheap or cheaper
> than metformin, it does not hurt, and it also helps to keep
> beta cells from burning out, if you agree with Dr. Bernstein
> that beta cells burn out.
>
> Metformin, however, is less "hassle" to use than insulin,
> because it will probably not cause hypoglycemia, even if
> you forget to eat.  On the other hand, less hassle also
> means less control.  And... On the other-other hand...
> Lantus (very slow insulin) will not cause hypoglycemia even
> if you forget to eat, either... as long as you ate some time
> ago, ie, if you are not starving to death in the desert.
>
> Thanks for writing,
>
> Ellis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "C.Marley" <kailasha@...>
> Date: Monday, December 3, 2007 3:02 pm
> Subject: [Rejuvenation] Re: * * * Evidence that type 2 diabetes NOT
> best treated w/insulin
> To: Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>> C.Marley wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ellis: {Hello Dr. Marley.  I never said that anybody should
>>> FLOOD their body with insulin.  I, and everybody, should use
>>> THE RIGHT DOSE of insulin, AT THE RIGHT TIME, in order to
>>> keep blood glucose near 85 or to bring it down as fast
>>> as possible if it is higher than 100, so that it doesn't
>>> cause sugar-damage...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Dr. Marley: You are missing the point.  People with insulin
>> resistant diabetes are ALREADY flooding their bodies with insulin.
>>
>> Adding more insulin only adds insult to injury.
>>
>> Ellis: {I am not missing the point.  "According to Ellis" people
>> who are insulin resistant also respond to injected insulin...
>> I have seen it, with persons who are very insulin resistant,
>> and inject a small dose of Humalog... maybe they don't respond
>> as much as people who are not insulin resistant... but they
>> respond...
>>
>> The insulin floating about in their body is perhaps damaged
>> or dirty... or who knows what is wrong with it... but it
>> doesn't work to lower their blood glucose...
>>
>> But when these persons inject insulin, it DOES bring their
>> blood glucose down.  I have seen it.   I don't believe the
>> doctors or the books: I believe the glucose meter.   Their
>> blood glucose goes down, in spite of what doctors or books
>> might say.  Try it and see.
>>
>> And the important point is that they have to lower their
>> blood glucose and not allow it to get high at all, or else
>> their pancreas stays on the OPEN FAUCET position because
>> blood glucose is high...  so the pancreas tries to bring
>> down blood glucose and eventually burns out more and more
>> beta cells...
>>
>> Besides, they should use metformin which lowers insulin
>> resistance, AND ALSO use injected insulin to lower
>> blood glucose.
>>
>> - Ellis}
>>
>>
>> Dr. Marley: So called "sugar damage" is not the problem it
>> was once thought to be.
>>
>>
>> Ellis: {So then please tell us what is the real problem...
>>
>> HbA1c is a measure of how much glucose is sticking to the
>> hemoglobin in red blood cells.  It gives us an idea of
>> what the average blood glucose was in the previous 2 or
>> 3 months...
>>
>> But it also gives us an idea of how much blood glucose is
>> sticking to OTHER tissues of the body, ie, the higher the
>> HbA1c, the more glucose is probably sticking to NERVES and
>> KIDNEYS, and EYES, and CIRCULATORY SYSTEM.
>>
>> We KNOW that persons with high blood glucose have more
>> damage to the NERVOUS SYSTEM and the KIDNEYS and EYES...
>> and they have more HEART ATTACKS and STROKE, and they
>> also have less chance of survival if they have CANCER...
>>
>> SO if "sugar damage" is NOT the problem it was once thought
>> to be, then I would like to know why persons with HIGH
>> HB-A1c have more neuropathy, and more kidney problems,
>> and more eye problems, and more heart attacks and strokes,
>> than persons with HB-A1c much lower.
>>
>> Perhaps it is just COINCIDENCE that high blood glucose
>> is associated with more neuropathy, more Alzheimer's,
>> more heart attack, more cancer, more kidney disease, etc.?
>>
>> The F.D.A. is studying restricting the use of... SALT...
>>
>> That's right.  It has not occurred to the FDA to restrict
>> the use of SUGAR in food made and sold to the public.
>>
>> They also think that SUGAR DAMAGE is not the problem it
>> was once thought to be.  - Ellis}
>>
>>
>>
>> Insulin itself seems to be the problem in hyperinsulinemic
>> Type 2 diabetes.
>>
>> Despite the evident faith you have in him, Dr. Bernstein is
>> not the last word in Diabetes research!
>>
>> {No, he is not the LAST WORD in diabetes research...
>>
>> He is THE FIRST WORD in diabetes research...
>>
>> He was the FIRST to say that a HIGH CARBOHYDRATE DIET is
>> NOT the CORRECT DIET for diabetics...
>>
>> He was the FIRST to say that diabetics can control blood
>> glucose.
>>
>> He was the FIRST to say that diabetics should keep their
>> blood glucose at the same levels as NON-DIABETICS... that
>> means about 83 mg/dl all day, before and during and after
>> eating...
>>
>> He is also probably the FIRST diabetic type I to live 60
>> years with diabetes type I, which is no small feat considering
>> that the first 35 years of his diabetes he had to SUFFER
>> THROUGH the BAD ADVICE of the doctors of the American
>> Diabetes Association...
>>
>> The next 35 years he had to FIGHT THE BAD ADVICE of the
>> American Diabetes Association (A.D.A.) at every turn he made...
>>
>> The A.D.A. OPPOSED that diabetics should BE ALLOWED TO OWN
>> BLOOD GLUCOSE METERS...
>>
>> The A.D.A. continues to say that even if diabetics type II
>> are allowed to BUY a blood glucose meter, they don't really
>> need to USE THEM, since they can get by without any problem
>> if they  measure their blood glucose ONCE every month (before
>> they visit their doctor, of course) and that ONCE is BEFORE
>> EATING BREAKFAST, which is not very clever...
>>
>> And the A.D.A. says it is not necessary for diabetics II
>> to measure glucose before and after every meal.  A
>>
>> And the A.D.A. says that an HbA1c of 7.0 (blood glucose about 170
>> mg/dl) is acceptable.   Etc, etc. etc.
>>
>> So... First word in diabetes research is good enough for me.
>> - Ellis]
>>
>>
>>
>> And it is definitely NOT a good idea for people with normal
>> glucose metabolism to be injecting themselves with insulin!
>>
>> C. Marley, M.D.
>>
>> {Why not?  What is wrong with keeping our blood glucose
>> controlled BEFORE we become diabetics?
>>
>> I am not a diabetic and I have normal glucose metabolism
>> so you are directing your criticism to me... So I would
>> like to know WHY SHOULD I NOT BE INJECTING MYSELF with
>> insulin... ?
>>
>> If you tell me that I might get a terrible hypoglycemia...
>> I answer that I have never gotten hypoglycemia in 7 years,
>> after 14,000 doses of insulin.
>>
>> If you tell me that I might get brain damage...
>> I answer that I don't think I have gotten brain damage
>> yet.
>>
>> If you tell me that my pancreas will stop producing insulin...
>> I answer that my pancreas is producing insulin better than
>> ever... I know this because if I don't inject insulin and I
>> do drink a large glass of orange juice, my blood glucose goes
>> UP 10 160 in 35 minutes, and then it goes down to below 120
>> (and later, down below 100) in 70 minutes.
>>
>> If you tell me that I will become insulin resistant....
>> I answer that my blood insulin measured before breakfast
>> after one day of not injecting insulin is off the charts,
>> below 3, which is "like an athlete" and I am not an athlete.
>> 3 means I am not insulin resistant, and less than three also
>> means I am not insulin resistant... and 25 is the end of the
>> chart that means somebody is insulin resistant, so I am at
>> the extreme opposite end of the chart.  So after 14,000
>> shots of insulin, I am not insulin resistant.
>>
>> If you tell me that I will get diabetes...
>> I answer that that is precisely why I take insulin, so that
>> I will get diabetes many years later than I should have
>> become diabetic, which will be about age 60 to 65, which is
>> right about NOW... I definitely am NOT a diabetic yet, after
>> 14,000 shots of insulin.
>>
>> If you tell me that I will cause insulin resistance...
>> I answer that I have taken 14,000 doses of insulin in the
>> last 7 years, and I have not become insulin resistant.
>>
>> So... please give me some other reasons why I should not use
>> insulin, since I am not a diabetic.
>>
>> Diabetics should use INSULIN, "according to Ellis".  If they
>> use METFORMIN and NOT insulin, then they might get lower
>> blood glucose in the morning... but THIS IS NOT THE MEASURE
>> THAT THEY ARE BEATING THEIR DIABETES... they also have to
>> have blood glucose controlled AFTER breakfast, lunch, and
>> dinner...
>>
>> And in any case, EVEN IF their blood glucose is controlled,
>> their diabetes is advancing.  They are avoiding the SIDE
>> EFFECTS caused by diabetes, and this is a good thing, but
>> IT COULD BE BETTER... and it is still very serious...
>>
>> Their diabetes is ADVANCING because their pancreas is still
>> producing insulin which is wearing it out... so maybe 5 or
>> 10 or 20 or 30 years later but surely they will be diabetics
>> type 1... and then they are in much greater trouble than if
>> they could have kept their diabetes as diabetes type 2...
>>
>> They could have avoided this if they had used INSULIN and
>> taken the burden of producing insulin off of their pancreas...
>>
>> I am not a doctor, so don't listen to me.  But Dr. Bernstein
>> is a doctor, and he says the same thing.
>>
>> Thanks for writing.
>>
>> - Ellis}
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Study my personal anti-aging program, Rejuvenation, and study my
>> best pages, Essential, which you are welcome to read and follow,
>> here:
>>
>> Rejuvenation http://www.rajeun.net/rejuvenation.html
>>
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>>
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>
>
> Study my personal anti-aging program, Rejuvenation, and study my
> best pages, Essential, which you are welcome to read and follow,
> here:
>
> Rejuvenation http://www.rajeun.net/rejuvenation.html
>
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--- In Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <c_farrokhi@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> I'll get straight to the point.
>
> I have some muscle atrophy due to my Multiple Sclerosis and it
> is affecting my walking and writing on my right side.  So I
> want to strengthen my muscles, ligaments, and tendons.
>
> What do you guys recommend as far as hormone or other therapies?
>
> I would appreciate any help.
>
> Thanks. - Chris


Hi Chris

The following site might be something you would like to at least
check out...it is about c.pneumoniae....it is a stealth infection
which I had for decades and got rid of with a protocol developed at
Vanderbilt University research lab...

Now, at age 58, I am stronger and healthier than I have been since
my teens... I feel fantastic and I am now finally living a wonderful
life!!  This organism has been found to be implicated in MS and
other illnesses, and it really messes with the hormones as well,
although mainstream medicine doesn't want to acknowledge it for
various reasons.

One doctor working on a cure for MS and other illnesses where cPn
is either responsible or implicated has a wife with MS...

I personally know of two people who no longer have any traces of
MS and were wheelchair bound 9 years ago.

So...take a look here:

http://www.cpnhelp.org

Good luck to you!

Diana


Ellis: [Hello Diana... Thanks for sending this post.  I hope it
will help Chris, and I'm glad to know that YOU are stronger and
healthier now than you have been since you were in your teens.

I would like to know if you have BLOOD TESTS of when you had
the infection and you were NOT feeling so well... can you see if
you can find what was your HEMATOCRIT and HEMOGLOBIN in those days,
and what it is now?

THANKS.  I always suspect that low red blood cells has a lot
to do whenever somebody is TIRED... and when you are feeling
BETTER, I suspect that perhaps red blood cells have gone UP.

Are you using any hormones now?  Or is feeling better all due
to the treatment you received for c. pneumoniae?

Thanks for writing.  - Ellis]

Hi Ellis:

I think the "should you use insulin prophylactically or not"
arguement might be answered more easily if we knew what your
Hemoglobin A1C and fasting insulin values have been over the
last several years of insulin injections you have done.

If you have low or lower HB A1C and fasting insulin levels as
well as lower fasting blood sugars... I think more people
including physicians would be convinced this treatment is a
worthy anti-aging strategy that is causing you no harm.

Randy Ice P.T., C.C.S.
Vintage Medical Group
Temecula, Calif.

Ellis: [Hello Randy...

It really is not necessary to know my HbA1c and fasting
glucose levels to decide if using insulin has been good for
me or not.  IT HAS NOT BEEN BAD FOR ME, so it has to have
been GOOD for me.  There is no other possibility.

I have used insulin 5 or 6 or more times per day, every single
day, for about 7 years... that is 6 x 365 = 2000 per year x 7
years... that is 14,000 times that I have used insulin.  And
EACH TIME it has lowered my blood glucose...

So you have to decide if lower blood glucose is a good thing,
or if it is not important, or if it is a bad thing... There are
no other possibilities.

And... FOR CERTAIN, it is GOOD for blood glucose to be between 70
and 100, than for blood glucose to be between 100 and 130... or
worse.

WE KNOW this, because WE KNOW that SUGAR IN THE BLOOD STICKS
to HEMOGLOBIN and damages it.  But if we KNOW this, then we
CAN GUESS that it also is sticking to THE KIDNEYS, and to
THE NERVES IN THE EYES.

So that is all we need to know.

Using insulin has NEVER caused me hypoglycemian, brain damage,
shut down my pancreas, caused insulin resistance, or any of the
other supposed dangers that doctors are so afraid of... so maybe
those fears and dangers are not real.

And EACH dose of insulin has WITHOUT DOUBT resulted in a lower
blood glucose level for a few hours.  Since my dose has usually
been 3 iu or 2 iu, my blood glucose I estimate (based on many many
tests) that it has lowered my blood glucose 30 or 20 points lower
than it would have been.

That is the only thing you NEED TO KNOW, to decide if it has been
GOOD for me to use insulin, or BAD for me to use insulin.

So you don't need to know if my HbA1c has gone down, but I will
tell you anyways:

The first HbA1c's that I got when I began to use insulin were
about 6.2... Now they are about 5.2   ONE POINT less is about
30 mg/dl less on the average, 24 hours per day, for perhaps 6
or 7 years.

(note: 6.2 corresponds to about 140 mg./dl and 5.1 corresponds
to about 105 on the table... My guess is that THE TABLE is off
about +10 points, because my usual glucose according to my home
glucose meter is less than 100.... in any case, it is about
30 points less NOW than before...)

My fasting glucose levels according to my Roche Accucheck meter
used to be between 105 to 115...

Now it is between 85 and 95.

If we go by my table http://www.rajeun.net/HbA1c_glucose.html
6.2 means I had an AVERAGE blood glucose of ABOUT 140!!!  I
remember testing my blood glucose levels and getting 160's and
170's and thinking that it was "good"...  "because orange juice
is GOOD..."

My HbA1c now is about 5.1, which is not as good as Dr. Bernstein's
4.5   I accept that I am not trying to be as strict as he is, and I
get higher blood glucose because I eat much more quantity than he
does... I also eat fruit which he does not, and I also eat beans
and chocolate ice cream, and I eat much less "perfect" than Dr.
Bernstein.

I am not trying to beat Dr. Bernstein's HbA1c.  I am only trying
to beat MY OWN HbA1c... and I have done it, using insulin, and
also by NOT EATING AS MUCH of all the bad foods that USED TO EAT.

It is also true that many diabetics DO GET hypoglycemia and maybe
they get brain damage or they die because they use insulin.

THAT is because THEY USED INSULIN INCORRECTLY.

I have SEEN a diabetic inject 50 iu of insulin to bring down
blood glucose from above 400 mg/dl...

That is ABSOLUTELY CRAZY.

And for me, it is the DOCTOR'S FAULT that the diabetic doesn't know
how to use insulin correctly.   And the doctor doesn't know how to
use insulin correctly because THE DOCTOR DOESN'T USE INSULIN
HIMSELF, because if he did use it, he would soon learn how to use
it correctly.

If I was a doctor, I would never allow a patient to inject so much
insulin.  To begin with, he should never have blood glucose above
400 mg/dl... but even if he does, he should never inject a "lethal
dose," and 50 iu of fast acting insulin is a "lethal dose" for me...


My fasting glucose levels now are about 85 to 100 (on my home
glucose meter)

One full HbA1c point less.

In any case, my HbA1c has come down considerably, and in my
opinion, taking insulin correctly is not a dangerous anti aging
therapy... and it is very inexpensive, and it does not hurt, and
it is probably going to extend my health because it prevents SUGAR
from damaging my NEURONS.

The single most important damage that we have to prevent is damage
to the NERVOUS SYSTEM... the nervous system is damaged for at least
TWO very important reasons:

1. High blood sugar, and

2. Low blood oxygen (red blood cells)

Therefore, I think that using LANTUS, which is extremely easy
to learn to use because you cannot get hypoglycemia if you have
eaten in the past 12 hours, is one of the best anti-aging
therapies of all.

And of course, raising my red blood cells has not been bad
for me, either, and I don't think it will ever be bad for me
to not lose neurons.  - Ellis]




________________________________________________________________________

1a. Re: * * * Evidence that type 2 diabetes NOT best treated
     w/insulin
     Posted by: "C.Marley" kailasha@... kai_la_sha
     Date: Mon Dec 3, 2007 5:01 pm ((PST))

C.Marley wrote:

>Ellis: {Hello Dr. Marley.  I never said that anybody should
>FLOOD their body with insulin.  I, and everybody, should use
>THE RIGHT DOSE of insulin, AT THE RIGHT TIME, in order to
>keep blood glucose near 85 or to bring it down as fast
>as possible if it is higher than 100, so that it doesn't
>cause sugar-damage...


Dr. Marley: You are missing the point.  People with insulin
resistant diabetes are ALREADY flooding their bodies with insulin.
Adding more insulin only adds insult to injury.

Ellis: {I am not missing the point.  "According to Ellis" people
who are insulin resistant also respond to injected insulin...
I have seen it, with persons who are very insulin resistant,
and inject a small dose of Humalog... maybe they don't respond
as much as people who are not insulin resistant... but they
respond...

The insulin floating about in their body is perhaps damaged
or dirty... or who knows what is wrong with it... but it
doesn't work to lower their blood glucose...

But when these persons inject insulin, it DOES bring their
blood glucose down.  I have seen it.   I don't believe the
doctors or the books: I believe the glucose meter.   Their
blood glucose goes down, in spite of what doctors or books
might say.  Try it and see.

And the important point is that they have to lower their
blood glucose and not allow it to get high at all, or else
their pancreas stays on the OPEN FAUCET position because
blood glucose is high...  so the pancreas tries to bring
down blood glucose and eventually burns out more and more
beta cells...

Besides, they should use metformin which lowers insulin
resistance, AND ALSO use injected insulin to lower
blood glucose.

- Ellis}


Dr. Marley: So called "sugar damage" is not the problem it
was once thought to be.


Ellis: {So then please tell us what is the real problem...

HbA1c is a measure of how much glucose is sticking to the
hemoglobin in red blood cells.  It gives us an idea of
what the average blood glucose was in the previous 2 or
3 months...

But it also gives us an idea of how much blood glucose is
sticking to OTHER tissues of the body, ie, the higher the
HbA1c, the more glucose is probably sticking to NERVES and
KIDNEYS, and EYES, and CIRCULATORY SYSTEM.

We KNOW that persons with high blood glucose have more
damage to the NERVOUS SYSTEM and the KIDNEYS and EYES...
and they have more HEART ATTACKS and STROKE, and they
also have less chance of survival if they have CANCER...

SO if "sugar damage" is NOT the problem it was once thought
to be, then I would like to know why persons with HIGH
HB-A1c have more neuropathy, and more kidney problems,
and more eye problems, and more heart attacks and strokes,
than persons with HB-A1c much lower.

Perhaps it is just COINCIDENCE that high blood glucose
is associated with more neuropathy, more Alzheimer's,
more heart attack, more cancer, more kidney disease, etc.?

The F.D.A. is studying restricting the use of... SALT...

That's right.  It has not occurred to the FDA to restrict
the use of SUGAR in food made and sold to the public.

They also think that SUGAR DAMAGE is not the problem it
was once thought to be.  - Ellis}



Insulin itself seems to be the problem in hyperinsulinemic
Type 2 diabetes.

Despite the evident faith you have in him, Dr. Bernstein is
not the last word in Diabetes research!

Ellis: {No, he is not the LAST WORD in diabetes research...

He is THE FIRST WORD in diabetes research...

He was the FIRST to say that a HIGH CARBOHYDRATE DIET is
NOT the CORRECT DIET for diabetics...

He was the FIRST to say that diabetics can control blood
glucose.

He was the FIRST to say that diabetics should keep their
blood glucose at the same levels as NON-DIABETICS... that
means about 83 mg/dl all day, before and during and after
eating...

He is also probably the FIRST diabetic type I to live 60
years with diabetes type I, which is no small feat considering
that the first 35 years of his diabetes he had to SUFFER
THROUGH the BAD ADVICE of the doctors of the American
Diabetes Association...

The next 35 years he had to FIGHT THE BAD ADVICE of the
American Diabetes Association (A.D.A.) at every turn he made...

The A.D.A. OPPOSED that diabetics should BE ALLOWED TO OWN
BLOOD GLUCOSE METERS...

The A.D.A. continues to say that even if diabetics type II
are allowed to BUY a blood glucose meter, they don't really
need to USE THEM, since they can get by without any problem
if they  measure their blood glucose ONCE every month (before
they visit their doctor, of course) and that ONCE is BEFORE
EATING BREAKFAST, which is not very clever...

And the A.D.A. says it is not necessary for diabetics II
to measure glucose before and after every meal.  A

And the A.D.A. says that an HbA1c of 7.0 (blood glucose about 170
mg/dl) is acceptable.   Etc, etc. etc.

So... First word in diabetes research is good enough for me.
- Ellis]



And it is definitely NOT a good idea for people with normal
glucose metabolism to be injecting themselves with insulin!

C. Marley, M.D.

{Why not?  What is wrong with keeping our blood glucose
controlled BEFORE we become diabetics?

I am not a diabetic and I have normal glucose metabolism
so you are directing your criticism to me... So I would
like to know WHY SHOULD I NOT BE INJECTING MYSELF with
insulin... ?

If you tell me that I might get a terrible hypoglycemia...
I answer that I have never gotten hypoglycemia in 7 years,
after 14,000 doses of insulin.

If you tell me that I might get brain damage...
I answer that I don't think I have gotten brain damage
yet.

If you tell me that my pancreas will stop producing insulin...
I answer that my pancreas is producing insulin better than
ever... I know this because if I don't inject insulin and I
do drink a large glass of orange juice, my blood glucose goes
UP 10 160 in 35 minutes, and then it goes down to below 120
(and later, down below 100) in 70 minutes.

If you tell me that I will become insulin resistant....
I answer that my blood insulin measured before breakfast
after one day of not injecting insulin is off the charts,
below 3, which is "like an athlete" and I am not an athlete.
3 means I am not insulin resistant, and less than three also
means I am not insulin resistant... and 25 is the end of the
chart that means somebody is insulin resistant, so I am at
the extreme opposite end of the chart.  So after 14,000
shots of insulin, I am not insulin resistant.

If you tell me that I will get diabetes...
I answer that that is precisely why I take insulin, so that
I will get diabetes many years later than I should have
become diabetic, which will be about age 60 to 65, which is
right about NOW... I definitely am NOT a diabetic yet, after
14,000 shots of insulin.

If you tell me that I will cause insulin resistance...
I answer that I have taken 14,000 doses of insulin in the
last 7 years, and I have not become insulin resistant.

So... please give me some other reasons why I should not use
insulin, since I am not a diabetic.

Diabetics should use INSULIN, "according to Ellis".  If they
use METFORMIN and NOT insulin, then they might get lower blood
glucose in the morning... but THIS IS NOT THE MEASURE THAT THEY
ARE BEATING THEIR DIABETES... they also have to have blood
glucose controlled AFTER breakfast, lunch, and dinner...

And in any case, EVEN IF their blood glucose is controlled,
their diabetes is advancing.  They are avoiding the SIDE
EFFECTS caused by diabetes, and this is a good thing, but
IT COULD BE BETTER... and it is still very serious...

Their diabetes is ADVANCING because their pancreas is still
producing insulin which is wearing it out... so maybe 5 or
10 or 20 or 30 years later but surely they will be diabetics
type 1... and then they are in much greater trouble than if
they could have kept their diabetes as diabetes type 2...

They could have avoided this if they had used INSULIN and
taken the burden of producing insulin off of their pancreas...

I am not a doctor, so don't listen to me.  But Dr. Bernstein
is a doctor, and he says the same thing.

Thanks for writing.

- Ellis}

Dear Ellis:

Thank you for a most illuminating explanation of diabetes, HB-A1C,
insulin, etc.

I have a question for you. Do you think that many over the age
of 50 should be daily consuming PROPHYLACTICALLY a minimal
dose of Metformin in order to sharpen and maintain their aging
insulin receptors?   Perhaps a 150 mg daily dose is warrented
for anti-aging purposes?

Respectfully yours,

Rich

{Hello Rich... This idea is not mine... I learned it from
Dr. Ward Dean... Yes, if you do not want to use INSULIN
which I think is the best, then the next best is metformin.

But you have to understand what metformin does, and why I
think it is not as good as insulin.

Metformin reduces your resistance to insulin, thus it makes
the insulin that your body produces more effective... but
it does not stop your pancreas from producing insulin
temporarily, which would be a good thing.  Injected insulin
takes the burden off of your pancreas, so for that
occasion your pancreas rests.  Later, if there is no
injected insulin, your pancreas still works.

It is false and utter nonsense that once you inject insulin
you will forever stop your pancreas from producing insulin
again, and you become insulin dependent.

That is wrong, false, mistaken, and not true.

When you lower your resistance to insulin, or increase
your body's sensitivity to insulin with metformin, your
blood glucose will probably be lower, but your pancreas
will continue to produce insulin which will result in beta
cell burnout.  Diabetes in effect is still advancing,
but you have better glucose control for several years.

This is the reason why many type 2 diabetics seem to be
well enough controlled with metformin, but eventually
they become type 1 diabetics.

Dr. Marley does not agree that beta cells burn out, but
Dr. Bernstein bases all his practice on avoiding beta cell
burnout.  I am not a doctor, so I have to choose which one
I should believe, and what Dr. Bernstein says makes more
sense to me, because he has kept Diabetics Type 1 and
Type II alive for 50 years including himself, by insisting
that they should use insulin, and keep their blood glucose
as close to 83 mg/dl as possible...

So I prefer to agree with Dr. Bernstein.

So whether beta cells burn out or not, I assume that they
DO burn out because it helps me to visualize why I should
use insulin and not metformin.

So: Yes, something is better than nothing, and metformin
is something... so I do think that taking metformin is
good for anti-aging because it helps to keep blood glucose
lower than it would have been... I don't know what dose
that is, but you can find out your dose if you also check
your blood glucose, and try to keep it about 85 mg/dl,
especially the morning fasting blood glucose.

But I prefer to use insulin, which also keeps blood glucose
lower than it would have been and it is as cheap or cheaper
than metformin, it does not hurt, and it also helps to keep
beta cells from burning out, if you agree with Dr. Bernstein
that beta cells burn out.

Metformin, however, is less "hassle" to use than insulin,
because it will probably not cause hypoglycemia, even if
you forget to eat.  On the other hand, less hassle also
means less control.  And... On the other-other hand...
Lantus (very slow insulin) will not cause hypoglycemia even
if you forget to eat, either... as long as you ate some time
ago, ie, if you are not starving to death in the desert.

Thanks for writing,

Ellis


----- Original Message -----
From: "C.Marley" <kailasha@...>
Date: Monday, December 3, 2007 3:02 pm
Subject: [Rejuvenation] Re: * * * Evidence that type 2 diabetes NOT
best treated w/insulin
To: Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com

> C.Marley wrote:
>
> >Ellis: {Hello Dr. Marley.  I never said that anybody should
> >FLOOD their body with insulin.  I, and everybody, should use
> >THE RIGHT DOSE of insulin, AT THE RIGHT TIME, in order to
> >keep blood glucose near 85 or to bring it down as fast
> >as possible if it is higher than 100, so that it doesn't
> >cause sugar-damage...
> >
> >
>
> Dr. Marley: You are missing the point.  People with insulin
> resistant diabetes are ALREADY flooding their bodies with insulin.
>
> Adding more insulin only adds insult to injury.
>
> Ellis: {I am not missing the point.  "According to Ellis" people
> who are insulin resistant also respond to injected insulin...
> I have seen it, with persons who are very insulin resistant,
> and inject a small dose of Humalog... maybe they don't respond
> as much as people who are not insulin resistant... but they
> respond...
>
> The insulin floating about in their body is perhaps damaged
> or dirty... or who knows what is wrong with it... but it
> doesn't work to lower their blood glucose...
>
> But when these persons inject insulin, it DOES bring their
> blood glucose down.  I have seen it.   I don't believe the
> doctors or the books: I believe the glucose meter.   Their
> blood glucose goes down, in spite of what doctors or books
> might say.  Try it and see.
>
> And the important point is that they have to lower their
> blood glucose and not allow it to get high at all, or else
> their pancreas stays on the OPEN FAUCET position because
> blood glucose is high...  so the pancreas tries to bring
> down blood glucose and eventually burns out more and more
> beta cells...
>
> Besides, they should use metformin which lowers insulin
> resistance, AND ALSO use injected insulin to lower
> blood glucose.
>
> - Ellis}
>
>
> Dr. Marley: So called "sugar damage" is not the problem it
> was once thought to be.
>
>
> Ellis: {So then please tell us what is the real problem...
>
> HbA1c is a measure of how much glucose is sticking to the
> hemoglobin in red blood cells.  It gives us an idea of
> what the average blood glucose was in the previous 2 or
> 3 months...
>
> But it also gives us an idea of how much blood glucose is
> sticking to OTHER tissues of the body, ie, the higher the
> HbA1c, the more glucose is probably sticking to NERVES and
> KIDNEYS, and EYES, and CIRCULATORY SYSTEM.
>
> We KNOW that persons with high blood glucose have more
> damage to the NERVOUS SYSTEM and the KIDNEYS and EYES...
> and they have more HEART ATTACKS and STROKE, and they
> also have less chance of survival if they have CANCER...
>
> SO if "sugar damage" is NOT the problem it was once thought
> to be, then I would like to know why persons with HIGH
> HB-A1c have more neuropathy, and more kidney problems,
> and more eye problems, and more heart attacks and strokes,
> than persons with HB-A1c much lower.
>
> Perhaps it is just COINCIDENCE that high blood glucose
> is associated with more neuropathy, more Alzheimer's,
> more heart attack, more cancer, more kidney disease, etc.?
>
> The F.D.A. is studying restricting the use of... SALT...
>
> That's right.  It has not occurred to the FDA to restrict
> the use of SUGAR in food made and sold to the public.
>
> They also think that SUGAR DAMAGE is not the problem it
> was once thought to be.  - Ellis}
>
>
>
> Insulin itself seems to be the problem in hyperinsulinemic
> Type 2 diabetes.
>
> Despite the evident faith you have in him, Dr. Bernstein is
> not the last word in Diabetes research!
>
> {No, he is not the LAST WORD in diabetes research...
>
> He is THE FIRST WORD in diabetes research...
>
> He was the FIRST to say that a HIGH CARBOHYDRATE DIET is
> NOT the CORRECT DIET for diabetics...
>
> He was the FIRST to say that diabetics can control blood
> glucose.
>
> He was the FIRST to say that diabetics should keep their
> blood glucose at the same levels as NON-DIABETICS... that
> means about 83 mg/dl all day, before and during and after
> eating...
>
> He is also probably the FIRST diabetic type I to live 60
> years with diabetes type I, which is no small feat considering
> that the first 35 years of his diabetes he had to SUFFER
> THROUGH the BAD ADVICE of the doctors of the American
> Diabetes Association...
>
> The next 35 years he had to FIGHT THE BAD ADVICE of the
> American Diabetes Association (A.D.A.) at every turn he made...
>
> The A.D.A. OPPOSED that diabetics should BE ALLOWED TO OWN
> BLOOD GLUCOSE METERS...
>
> The A.D.A. continues to say that even if diabetics type II
> are allowed to BUY a blood glucose meter, they don't really
> need to USE THEM, since they can get by without any problem
> if they  measure their blood glucose ONCE every month (before
> they visit their doctor, of course) and that ONCE is BEFORE
> EATING BREAKFAST, which is not very clever...
>
> And the A.D.A. says it is not necessary for diabetics II
> to measure glucose before and after every meal.  A
>
> And the A.D.A. says that an HbA1c of 7.0 (blood glucose about 170
> mg/dl) is acceptable.   Etc, etc. etc.
>
> So... First word in diabetes research is good enough for me.
> - Ellis]
>
>
>
> And it is definitely NOT a good idea for people with normal
> glucose metabolism to be injecting themselves with insulin!
>
> C. Marley, M.D.
>
> {Why not?  What is wrong with keeping our blood glucose
> controlled BEFORE we become diabetics?
>
> I am not a diabetic and I have normal glucose metabolism
> so you are directing your criticism to me... So I would
> like to know WHY SHOULD I NOT BE INJECTING MYSELF with
> insulin... ?
>
> If you tell me that I might get a terrible hypoglycemia...
> I answer that I have never gotten hypoglycemia in 7 years,
> after 14,000 doses of insulin.
>
> If you tell me that I might get brain damage...
> I answer that I don't think I have gotten brain damage
> yet.
>
> If you tell me that my pancreas will stop producing insulin...
> I answer that my pancreas is producing insulin better than
> ever... I know this because if I don't inject insulin and I
> do drink a large glass of orange juice, my blood glucose goes
> UP 10 160 in 35 minutes, and then it goes down to below 120
> (and later, down below 100) in 70 minutes.
>
> If you tell me that I will become insulin resistant....
> I answer that my blood insulin measured before breakfast
> after one day of not injecting insulin is off the charts,
> below 3, which is "like an athlete" and I am not an athlete.
> 3 means I am not insulin resistant, and less than three also
> means I am not insulin resistant... and 25 is the end of the
> chart that means somebody is insulin resistant, so I am at
> the extreme opposite end of the chart.  So after 14,000
> shots of insulin, I am not insulin resistant.
>
> If you tell me that I will get diabetes...
> I answer that that is precisely why I take insulin, so that
> I will get diabetes many years later than I should have
> become diabetic, which will be about age 60 to 65, which is
> right about NOW... I definitely am NOT a diabetic yet, after
> 14,000 shots of insulin.
>
> If you tell me that I will cause insulin resistance...
> I answer that I have taken 14,000 doses of insulin in the
> last 7 years, and I have not become insulin resistant.
>
> So... please give me some other reasons why I should not use
> insulin, since I am not a diabetic.
>
> Diabetics should use INSULIN, "according to Ellis".  If they
> use METFORMIN and NOT insulin, then they might get lower
> blood glucose in the morning... but THIS IS NOT THE MEASURE
> THAT THEY ARE BEATING THEIR DIABETES... they also have to
> have blood glucose controlled AFTER breakfast, lunch, and
> dinner...
>
> And in any case, EVEN IF their blood glucose is controlled,
> their diabetes is advancing.  They are avoiding the SIDE
> EFFECTS caused by diabetes, and this is a good thing, but
> IT COULD BE BETTER... and it is still very serious...
>
> Their diabetes is ADVANCING because their pancreas is still
> producing insulin which is wearing it out... so maybe 5 or
> 10 or 20 or 30 years later but surely they will be diabetics
> type 1... and then they are in much greater trouble than if
> they could have kept their diabetes as diabetes type 2...
>
> They could have avoided this if they had used INSULIN and
> taken the burden of producing insulin off of their pancreas...
>
> I am not a doctor, so don't listen to me.  But Dr. Bernstein
> is a doctor, and he says the same thing.
>
> Thanks for writing.
>
> - Ellis}
>
>
>
>
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Greetings. I had good glucose control for quite a while. (A1c 5.2)


Lately my readings have been creeping up. I assumed it was my liver

sabotaging me through the night, releasing glucose as I slept. My last

A1c was 7.1. I refuse to accept that.

Ellis: {You are absolutely right.  You should assume that you are
diabetic, and take it from there.  That means: you should
eat very low carbohydrate, and high protein, and low fat...
ie, chicken, fish, beef, and vegetables, very little or no
fruits, very very little beans and nuts... and everything else
is NOT good.

Dr. Bernstein would not even allow a little fruit, but
"according to Ellis" you can eat a little fruit if you
eat it very slowly, so it does not raise your blood
glucose.  That way you will get the benefit of the vitamins
and enzymes that you get from fruits.   But it is very
difficult to eat something that is delicious, slowly...
so better, stick to the vitamins and enzymes from vegetables.

See my table, HbA1c to glucose conversion table, to see
what A1c is equivalent to: "horrible" or "deathly" according
to my "glucose theory of aging"... take it or leave it at cost,
but that's what it is...

http://www.rajeun.net/HbA1c_glucose.html
- Ellis}



Where do I start to get where I belong?


Ellis: {Get a glucose meter, and start to test your blood glucose
before and after breakfast, lunch, and supper... I recommend the
Freestyle glucose meter by Abbott, or the Accucheck by Roche...
write down your results in a notebook... study the carbohydrate
thermometer, and try to eat VERY COLD on the Carb Thermometer....

Test the 7 different categories of the Carb Thermometer, so you
will convince yourself which groups of foods you can eat
and which you cannot eat, or should not eat, or can eat only
very little...  I truly recommend that you should study my
pages, Using Lantus, and Using Insulin, which will revolutionize
your blood glucose levels as compared to metformin or other
oral medicines, probably giving you excellent results very
soon.  There is nothing for you to be afraid of... you will
not get hypoglycemia if you follow the simple rule: ALWAYS
EAT SOMETHING whenever you take a dose of insulin.  And never
take a lethal dose, etc.

Read my pages, print them out, and give a copy to your doctor
and tell him you want to use insulin.

http://www.rajeun.net/usinginsulin.html

http://www.rajeun.net/usinglantus.html

- Ellis}


The only thing I've been using in the way of pharmacueticals
is 'Prandin' (repaglinide). My GP and I discussed insulin at
my last visit, so access to that won't be a problem.

Ellis: {Good.  He's a good doctor. - Ellis}


Also, how does HGH work into this? I've been taking an HGH
precursor, but I didn't do an IGF-1 before I started. It has
however darkened my hair and given me better nights' sleep.

Thanks for your time.  Jim


Ellis: {Growth hormone is another, separate hormone, and your
body probably needs it also... You have to get your blood
glucose controlled, which I am sure you can do if you are
serious about it (ie, goodbye desserts, goodbye spaghetti and
goodbye cereals... Goodbye rice and bread and potatoes and
chocolate cake, goodbye junk foods, and goodbye sugar...

Hello chicken, hello fish, hello vegetables...  you can
live perfectly well with these fine foods.  In fact, you can
eat at Italian restaurants, and not miss spaghetti and raviolis
if you order chicken cachiatorre, or fish parmegianno, etc...
and you won't miss the junk foods at all...)

So... get your glucose controlled every day, 24 hours a day,
and take your growth hormone, and check your blood glucose...

THEY SAY that growth hormone causes diabetes, and THEY SAY
that growth hormone raises your blood glucose, and THEY SAY
lots of things...  but HGH  cannot cause diabetes if your blood
glucose is controlled, and it cannot raise your blood glucose
if your blood glucose is controlled... so don't listen to
what anybody says... Control your blood glucose and only
believe the glucose meter.

HGH precursors are good, but they are the Minor Leagues...
if you got results with HGH precursors, just wait until you
try the Real Thing... authentic injectible growth hormone...
There is no comparison with precursors.  I have tried
precursors too, and they were o.k. for when I took them
but I would never stop taking injectible growth hormone and
go back to precursors after I have seen the difference.
- Ellis}

I am new to this group but have enjoyed reading many of the posts.
This has been very informative.

I am 53 years old and am considering going back on HGH after a
layoff. I felt so much better while using about 1 IU per day, 4-5
days a week.

Long story short is that I have become a little concerned about
the prevailing thought in the medical community about the
association between high IGF-1 levels and cancer.

Ellis: {There is no association between high IGF-1 levels and
cancer.  There is only THE FEAR by certain anti-HGH doctors that
MAYBE there MIGHT BE an association between high IGF-1 levels
and cancer.

In nearly 9 years and 10,000 posts on Rejuvenation, I have not
yet heard of a single case of cancer caused from taking HGH...
(there was somebody who BLAMED his cancer on HGH... but that
person was HGH deficient, and had not used HGH for about 6
years when he got cancer... so I argued that he got cancer
because he had NOT taken HGH in 6 years.}

I have one of the highest IGF-1 levels of anybody that
I know of, at about 550, and I assure you that I am healthier
than ever.

The way I figure it, cancer strikes about one in three persons
on Planet Earth at some time in their life.   In nearly 10
years and 10,000 posts, cancer should have been expected to
have hit at least a few persons subscribed to Rejuvenation...

It hasn't... I have asked for subscribers to Rejuvenation to
tell all of us about any side effects, and there have been a
few, usually carpal tunnel (pain in the wrists, reversed by
lowering the dose) or increased blood pressure (reversed by
lowering the dose, caused by increased water retention) and
increased water retention, (reversed with a diuretic and lowering
the dose...) But there has been no case of anybody taking HGH
and then reporting it caused their tiny unknown tumor to grow
out of control.  And CANCER is the big side effect that none
of us wants to get.


>A number of articles on Medscape have spoken to this concept. Having
said that, I realize that an association and a cause and effect are
two different things.  Additionally, I have found some medical
articles that say the exact opposite. They claim that there is no
evidence, and one interesting article on children with brain tumors
implied that HGH had a protective effect.

Ellis: {I agree with the doctors who have written this article to say
that HGH does not cause cancerous tumors, and that the exact
opposite seems to be correct: HGH seems to be protective of
cancer.  It makes the immune system stronger, which protects us
from tiny unknown tumors or cancerous cells, at a time in which
the immune system can still erase them from the map. - Ellis}






Still, because there are potentially such serious consequences,
doubts linger in my mind.

Ellis: {There is also a serious consequence and a very serious
side effect of NOT taking growth hormone, and other important
hormnes: you grow OLDER much faster.  Your body gets tired more
quickly, and your skin gets wrinkled and flabby... You lose
muscle and you gain fat... Your metabolism slows down, and you
become scared of living, less creative, more scared of starting
new projects, more negative, less positive... you get colds
more often and you go to the doctor for more medicines... you
get diabetes, and heart attacks and strokes kill 50% of the
population, and cancer kills one out of every six.  Average
expected lifespan is about 74 years for men, and 77 for women,
and many wish they were dead sooner.  - Ellis}


Many questions come to mind.  What is a "high level"? What comes
first, cancer, which then triggers IGF-1 production, or IGF-1
production that triggers cancer?

Ellis: {15 iu per day for 3 months is the recommended dose
for persons who are HIV+...  15 iu per day for 6 or 8 months
starts to cause carpal tunnel syndrome and acromegalia, which
is something that some body builders want to happen, so that
they can look like Arnold Schwartzenneger... they actually
want to look a bit like Toy Soldiers... square jaw, etc...
8 to 10 iu per day has been reported on Rejuvenation to
cause pain.

NOBODY knows which is the OPTIMUM DOSE... the best dose "according
to Ellis" is whichever dose you can afford that gives you good
benefits and NO SIDE EFFECTS in the LONG RUN...  that is probaby
about 2 or 3 iu... but bodybuilders say the best dose STARTS at
4 iu per day...  I am happy to be able to take 2 iu per day, and
I get very good results with that, but maybe I would get better
results with 1 iu, or with 3 or 4 iu... I don't know, because I
didn't take 1 iu for 9 years, or 3 or 4 iu for 9 years... I have
taken first 1 then 2 then 3 iu then mostly 2 iu every day for 9
years, so I know what happened with 2 iu.  Maybe if I am richer
in the next 10 years I might try 3 iu or 4 iu per day, every
day, and see if I get better physically, but I already am very
happy with the results of 2iu plus testosterone, DHEA, melatonin,
EPO, and insulin.  I am not sure which is helping me the most,
but the whole team together is doing a great job.  I also do
moderate exercise, and I also usually try to avoid high carb
foods, except when I chocolate ice cream or potatoes or bread.

But even when I eat chocolate ice cream or potatoes or bread,
which is not very often, I don't eat a lot of that... and I
also inject a small dose of insulin to bring down the high
glucose levels caused by my mis-eating... That is not a good
solution for a bad habit, but it is better than eating the high
carbs and not injecting insulin.

So decide which is your dose.  Right now, you have decided that
zero iu is better than 1 iu 4 or 5 days per week.  That is a
strange decision because you admit that you felt so much better
with that dose than with zero.   But you have listened more to
the doctors who are growing old than to the doctors who are
staying young, so I would say, listen to your body more than
to the doctors who scared you away from feeling better. - Ellis}



And what are other ways that people get high IGF-1 levels, such
as eating a high glycemic diet (the way most Americans eat).

Ellis: {You can take testosterone, and that will raise
your IGF-1 a little also... but that has real side effects, and
growth hormone has none that is truly serious, except when the dose
is excessive.

Eating a high glycemic index diet is definitely NOT a good way
to increase your IGF-1, if it does indeed raise IGF-1.   You
cannot get good results from doing bad things.

You can raise your red blood cells by smoking cigarrettes, but
smoking is definitely not a good thing to do.  Don't do bad things
to your body to try to get good results, because you will be doing
bad things to your body which you will regret later.  - Ellis}

If anyone knows of research or explanations that can explain this
relationship, it would be great to hear from you.  Thanks!

Ken

Ellis:{ Ken, it makes sense that you are scared of cancer.
It also makes sense that you should be scared of letting your
body deteriorate because of lack of hormones.  So travel the
middle road.  Take blood tests and medical physical exams to
try to detect cancer while it is still curable, and take sane
doses of hormones that we know go down in our body.  Try to
prevent the signs of aging before they happen in your body,
and try to reverse the signs of aging that happen when they
happen in spite of your best effort... but do your best effort.

Believe it or not, the only sign of aging that I have not been
able to stop entirely in 9 years of taking growth hormone and
other hormones, is a few more grey hairs... I "reverse" that
with some hair coloring and a colored pencil.  Big deal.

Otherwise, I am like I was when I was 45 years old, physically
and mentally maybe even younger...  I am still like a little boy
in many ways: I am playful, and I like to joke around, and I am
studying marketing, and I am writing new pages and I am still
creative...

I like to debate with doctors, and I like to learn from doctors.
But I would never listen to doctors or to anybody who is not
using growth hormone if they tell me to stop taking a hormone that
my body tells me makes me feel and look healthier than them.

They are scared that maybe what if perhaps it might cause a bad
side effect... so they are not using growth hormone because they
are scared of it.

Those who do not agree that we can stop aging should not
interfere with those of us who have stopped and reversed aging.

Thanks for writing. - Ellis}

Hi Everybody,

I'll get straight to the point.

I have some muscle atrophy due to my Multiple Sclerosis and it
is affecting my walking and writing on my right side.  So I
want to strengthen my muscles, ligaments, and tendons.

What do you guys recommend as far as hormone or other therapies?

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks. - Chris

Ellis: {Hello Chris,

Here we go again: I'm going to have doctors jumping down
my neck again, but you are not going to find a solution
for multiple sclerosis with doctors... so you might as
well listen to me, since I might be crazy, but at least
there is method to my madness.

I will tell you what I would do if I were you:

I would try Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy + EPO...  and I
would take 2 iu or perhaps 3 iu of injectible growth
hormone... + a shot of testosterone every week for 10
weeks... + 1/2 pill of Arimidex twice per week for 10
weeks while I take testosterone... + I would check my
blood glucose and I would keep it close to 85 mg/dl by
hook or by crook, which means Lantus in the morning and
Lantus at night, and Humalog before meals, and perhaps
Humalog after meals, if blood glucose is ever 100 mg/dl
or higher.

Using insulin is not for everybody, but "according to
Ellis" it is for many more than those who doctors say
it is.  Study my pages:

http://www.rajeun.net/glucose.html
and
http://www.rajeun.net/usinginsulin.html
and
http://www.rajeun.net/usinglantus.html

(I would probably not use insulin unless I could
consult with somebody like ME, by telephone...
Insulin is like a gun: if you don't know how to use
it correctly, you shouldn't use it at all... but if you
know how to use it correctly, it can save your life.)

And I would take injectible Vitamin B-12.

In any case, I would have NOTHING TO LOSE by TRYING, and
at the very least I would feel better.

I would take a blood test and see what is my hematocrit
and hemoglobin.   I would ask a doctor to prescribe EPO,
and I would take enough EPO to get my hematocrit up to
at least 45%, perhaps better to 50%...

(note: MY HEMATOCRIT IN FACT IS about 55% and has been
between 52% and 55% for about 7 years, with zero side
effects, and I think, many benefits.)

Then, I would take perhaps 30 sessions of hyperbaric
oxygen therapy, at 1.0 + 1.5 atmosphere pressure for one
hour.  There are some people saying that 1.0 + .3 or .5
atmospheres pressure would also give benefits... but I
don't know if it would or if it would not... but something
is probably better than nothing.

See the videos on this website, so that you will
understand why I believe that Hyperbaric Oxygen
Therapy is fantastic to help the NERVOUS SYSTEM...
and if Hyperbaric Oxygen which raises oxygen for a
few hours is fantastic, then there is a very good
chance that EPO which raises red blood cells which
raises oxygen circulating in your body for 24 hours
a day is probably also beneficial.

http://www.oceanhbo.com

(see videos #1 and #2)

I would also take 2 or 3 iu of growth hormone, + 1 cc.
of testosterone, + as much insulin as necessary at the
right moment to keep my blood glucose levels close to
85 mg/dl.

Read my page: http://www.rajeun.net/sarcopenia.html

Loss of muscle is due to loss of neurons, so concentrate
your attention on not losing the nervous system, and not
directly on the muscular system.

And of course: you have to eat VERY LOW CARB, and of
course you should also do physical exercises and physical
therapy... but always remember that everything you are
doing is directed first at not losing neurons, and
secondarily to recuperating and restoring muscles.

Good luck, and please let us know how you come along, and
let us know if this helps you, or if it doesn't. - Ellis}

C.Marley wrote:

>Ellis: {Hello Dr. Marley.  I never said that anybody should
>FLOOD their body with insulin.  I, and everybody, should use
>THE RIGHT DOSE of insulin, AT THE RIGHT TIME, in order to
>keep blood glucose near 85 or to bring it down as fast
>as possible if it is higher than 100, so that it doesn't
>cause sugar-damage...
>
>

Dr. Marley: You are missing the point.  People with insulin
resistant diabetes are ALREADY flooding their bodies with insulin.
Adding more insulin only adds insult to injury.

Ellis: {I am not missing the point.  "According to Ellis" people
who are insulin resistant also respond to injected insulin...
I have seen it, with persons who are very insulin resistant,
and inject a small dose of Humalog... maybe they don't respond
as much as people who are not insulin resistant... but they
respond...

The insulin floating about in their body is perhaps damaged
or dirty... or who knows what is wrong with it... but it
doesn't work to lower their blood glucose...

But when these persons inject insulin, it DOES bring their
blood glucose down.  I have seen it.   I don't believe the
doctors or the books: I believe the glucose meter.   Their
blood glucose goes down, in spite of what doctors or books
might say.  Try it and see.

And the important point is that they have to lower their
blood glucose and not allow it to get high at all, or else
their pancreas stays on the OPEN FAUCET position because
blood glucose is high...  so the pancreas tries to bring
down blood glucose and eventually burns out more and more
beta cells...

Besides, they should use metformin which lowers insulin
resistance, AND ALSO use injected insulin to lower
blood glucose.

- Ellis}


Dr. Marley: So called "sugar damage" is not the problem it
was once thought to be.


Ellis: {So then please tell us what is the real problem...

HbA1c is a measure of how much glucose is sticking to the
hemoglobin in red blood cells.  It gives us an idea of
what the average blood glucose was in the previous 2 or
3 months...

But it also gives us an idea of how much blood glucose is
sticking to OTHER tissues of the body, ie, the higher the
HbA1c, the more glucose is probably sticking to NERVES and
KIDNEYS, and EYES, and CIRCULATORY SYSTEM.

We KNOW that persons with high blood glucose have more
damage to the NERVOUS SYSTEM and the KIDNEYS and EYES...
and they have more HEART ATTACKS and STROKE, and they
also have less chance of survival if they have CANCER...

SO if "sugar damage" is NOT the problem it was once thought
to be, then I would like to know why persons with HIGH
HB-A1c have more neuropathy, and more kidney problems,
and more eye problems, and more heart attacks and strokes,
than persons with HB-A1c much lower.

Perhaps it is just COINCIDENCE that high blood glucose
is associated with more neuropathy, more Alzheimer's,
more heart attack, more cancer, more kidney disease, etc.?

The F.D.A. is studying restricting the use of... SALT...

That's right.  It has not occurred to the FDA to restrict
the use of SUGAR in food made and sold to the public.

They also think that SUGAR DAMAGE is not the problem it
was once thought to be.  - Ellis}



Insulin itself seems to be the problem in hyperinsulinemic
Type 2 diabetes.

Despite the evident faith you have in him, Dr. Bernstein is
not the last word in Diabetes research!

{No, he is not the LAST WORD in diabetes research...

He is THE FIRST WORD in diabetes research...

He was the FIRST to say that a HIGH CARBOHYDRATE DIET is
NOT the CORRECT DIET for diabetics...

He was the FIRST to say that diabetics can control blood
glucose.

He was the FIRST to say that diabetics should keep their
blood glucose at the same levels as NON-DIABETICS... that
means about 83 mg/dl all day, before and during and after
eating...

He is also probably the FIRST diabetic type I to live 60
years with diabetes type I, which is no small feat considering
that the first 35 years of his diabetes he had to SUFFER
THROUGH the BAD ADVICE of the doctors of the American
Diabetes Association...

The next 35 years he had to FIGHT THE BAD ADVICE of the
American Diabetes Association (A.D.A.) at every turn he made...

The A.D.A. OPPOSED that diabetics should BE ALLOWED TO OWN
BLOOD GLUCOSE METERS...

The A.D.A. continues to say that even if diabetics type II
are allowed to BUY a blood glucose meter, they don't really
need to USE THEM, since they can get by without any problem
if they  measure their blood glucose ONCE every month (before
they visit their doctor, of course) and that ONCE is BEFORE
EATING BREAKFAST, which is not very clever...

And the A.D.A. says it is not necessary for diabetics II
to measure glucose before and after every meal.  A

And the A.D.A. says that an HbA1c of 7.0 (blood glucose about 170 mg/dl) is
acceptable.   Etc, etc. etc.

So... First word in diabetes research is good enough for me.
- Ellis]



And it is definitely NOT a good idea for people with normal
glucose metabolism to be injecting themselves with insulin!

C. Marley, M.D.

{Why not?  What is wrong with keeping our blood glucose
controlled BEFORE we become diabetics?

I am not a diabetic and I have normal glucose metabolism
so you are directing your criticism to me... So I would
like to know WHY SHOULD I NOT BE INJECTING MYSELF with
insulin... ?

If you tell me that I might get a terrible hypoglycemia...
I answer that I have never gotten hypoglycemia in 7 years,
after 14,000 doses of insulin.

If you tell me that I might get brain damage...
I answer that I don't think I have gotten brain damage
yet.

If you tell me that my pancreas will stop producing insulin...
I answer that my pancreas is producing insulin better than
ever... I know this because if I don't inject insulin and I
do drink a large glass of orange juice, my blood glucose goes
UP 10 160 in 35 minutes, and then it goes down to below 120
(and later, down below 100) in 70 minutes.

If you tell me that I will become insulin resistant....
I answer that my blood insulin measured before breakfast
after one day of not injecting insulin is off the charts,
below 3, which is "like an athlete" and I am not an athlete.
3 means I am not insulin resistant, and less than three also
means I am not insulin resistant... and 25 is the end of the
chart that means somebody is insulin resistant, so I am at
the extreme opposite end of the chart.  So after 14,000
shots of insulin, I am not insulin resistant.

If you tell me that I will get diabetes...
I answer that that is precisely why I take insulin, so that
I will get diabetes many years later than I should have
become diabetic, which will be about age 60 to 65, which is
right about NOW... I definitely am NOT a diabetic yet, after
14,000 shots of insulin.

If you tell me that I will cause insulin resistance...
I answer that I have taken 14,000 doses of insulin in the
last 7 years, and I have not become insulin resistant.

So... please give me some other reasons why I should not use
insulin, since I am not a diabetic.

Diabetics should use INSULIN, "according to Ellis".  If they
use METFORMIN and NOT insulin, then they might get lower
blood glucose in the morning... but THIS IS NOT THE MEASURE
THAT THEY ARE BEATING THEIR DIABETES... they also have to
have blood glucose controlled AFTER breakfast, lunch, and
dinner...

And in any case, EVEN IF their blood glucose is controlled,
their diabetes is advancing.  They are avoiding the SIDE
EFFECTS caused by diabetes, and this is a good thing, but
IT COULD BE BETTER... and it is still very serious...

Their diabetes is ADVANCING because their pancreas is still
producing insulin which is wearing it out... so maybe 5 or
10 or 20 or 30 years later but surely they will be diabetics
type 1... and then they are in much greater trouble than if
they could have kept their diabetes as diabetes type 2...

They could have avoided this if they had used INSULIN and
taken the burden of producing insulin off of their pancreas...

I am not a doctor, so don't listen to me.  But Dr. Bernstein
is a doctor, and he says the same thing.

Thanks for writing.

- Ellis}

I am a 34 year old male just diagnosed with a Hgh deficiency.
And by "deficiency" I mean a complete deficiency: I don't
produce any at all.

I am about to start replacement therapy of 1.5IU per day, 7
days a week.

My question is this, how long on average does it take before
you start to notice the effects? Most of the people I've heard
from say from 4 to 6 months... is this true?

Can you please shed some light on this issue.

Regards,

Rick G

Ellis {Hello Rick... I think you will FEEL that you took
HGH 30 minutes after you take your first shot... you might
not be very sure if you are really feeling better, or if
it is just a placebo effect, but you will know you didn't
inject WATER into your body... something is happening,
for sure... You don't know why, but you will feel that
something GOOD is happening... You will feel a bit positive,
optimistic, a feeling that things will get better for you...

But it will take a few weeks for you to SEE the physical
results... maybe 2 or 3 weeks... LOOK AT YOURSELF IN
THE MIRROR after three weeks, and WRITE TO US and tell us
if you SEE a slight improvement in YOUR FACE.  Notice
your crows feet BEFORE you take HGH, and three weeks
later, and please WRITE TO US and tell us if they are
not fading away, or gone... Notice the loose skin in
your face and on your hands BEFORE you take HGH and
three weeks after you take HGH, and WRITE TO US and
tell us if you notice a difference.

Your friends who told you that it will take 4 to 6 months
are probably referring to other benefits, such as that
you will lose a lot of FAT around the belly, and other
parts of your body.  Also, we don't know what dose they
were taking, or how often they took it, but if you take
1.5 iu per day every day, I am going to bet that you will
see less fat around the belly much sooner than 4 to 6 months.

I didn't even sell you your growth hormone, and I will
guarantee that you will feel results in a few days and
you will see some physical results within 6 weeks.  If you
don't... I will replace your HGH with authentic HGH, and you
will see that it works.  How's that for: I'm sure of what I am
saying?  (note: of course you will take your 1.5 iu every
day, as you said, and you must have a prescription, etc.)

Please WRITE TO US and tell us if I am right or if your friends
are right and I a exaggerating.

-Ellis

New research has shown that Alzheimer's disease may be the
result of insulin resistance of neuron synapses in the brain.

High levels of insulin accelerates Alzheimer's.  So in
insulin resistant patients, flooding their bodies with
additional insulin may be contributing to the development
of Alzheimer's.

The answer may be drugs that lower insulin resistance (like
Metformin and Pioglitizone) combined with weight loss (fat
increases insulin resistance).

Every day there is more and more evidence that hyper-
insulinemic type 2 diabetes is NOT best treated with
more insulin.

C. Marley, M.D.


Ellis: {Hello Dr. Marley.  I never said that anybody should
FLOOD their body with insulin.  I, and everybody, should use
THE RIGHT DOSE of insulin, AT THE RIGHT TIME, in order to
keep blood glucose near 85 or to bring it down as fast
as possible if it is higher than 100, so that it doesn't
cause sugar-damage...

Insulin resistance is caused by previously high blood
glucose levels, which caused the pancreas to release high
levels of insulin, which overstimulated the insulin receptors
of cells.   The brain happens to be nervous tissue, and
nervous tissue is one of the ones that is most damaged by
high blood glucose... so it is very possible that high blood
glucose would also cause high insulin resistance.

That does not mean that the RIGHT DOSE at the RIGHT TIME
causes Alzheimer's... that means that THE LACK OF THE
RIGHT DOSE AT THE RIGHT TIME ultimately causes Alzheimer's
because it causes the brain cells to become insulin
resistant...

And lowering insulin resistance and causing the pancreas
to burn out beta cells because you turn it ON when you
could have let it REST by injecting insulin, is not a
very good idea, either.  You have said before that you
don't agree that beta cells "burn out"... but Dr. Bernstein
believes that beta cell burn out when they are forced to
work when they could have been resting... and I agree
with Dr. Bernstein.

Thanks for writing... - Ellis}

Frank: Just thought I would report back in after a long
lay off.

As you may recall I started on Norditropin about the
end of Feb 07. I was taking 1 unit six times a week.
I experienced very little change for the first 6 months
other than a little softer skin and more body hair.

At 6 months I began to feel great.  However, there was
a noticeable elevation in my glucose numbers and while
I didn't think much about it over the 6 months, my
blood pressure was slowly going up.

I didn't think much about the two because I was feeling
so good. This stuff changed me mentally and physically.
At 67 I was ready to conquer the world. No task was too
big.  I truly felt and probably acted about 35 years old.
Nothing was going to stop me now.

But like they say, all good things must come to an end.

I was going to have some minor surgery and when I weny
to the doctor's office on the scheduled morning I had a
very rude awaking.  My glucose was 162 and my blood pressure
was 155/115.  This all happened in a matter of a couple of
weeks.

Needless to say it scared the hell out of me.

That day I stopped taking the HGH.

Ellis: [Big mistake... The HGH had nothing to do with the
high glucose... The high glucose had to do with what you
ate that day, or the night before, and also with what you
ate for the previous 30 years, or 67 years...

You are 67 years old, so without much surprise you are
now diabetic.  So What?  So why not control the blood glucose
with insulin, instead of attempting to control the blood
glucose by taking away the only thing that has made you
feel and act like 35?

Why blame HGH for the diabetes?  Who else to blame?

What you ATE 67 years?  Huh?  Why not blame something
more RECENT, that makes you feel full of energy, and
young?

So... Blame the forbidden fruit of knowledge. - Ellis]


Frank: After a month of blood pressure medicine and metformin,
I am back to about 108 on my glucose and down to 130/90
on my blood pressure.


Ellis: [Wrong medicine... You should be taking what your
body would give you if it could, but it can't, because it
is not there anymore.

But of course your DOCTOR is SCARED of insulin,
because he thinks it is the LAST thing he should
try... he should try all the palliatives first, so
of course, and he feels safe to give you METFORMIN
because nobody will ever CRITICIZE him or BLAME him
for his ignorance, since it is STANDARD MEDICAL
PRACTICE to NOT give the patient insulin until he
is nearly blind, or has much worse complications.

I suggest you should not listen to me, but you should
come to Mexico to learn from me, because without
a doubt 100% sure, you are diabetic, and "according to
Ellis" you are taking the WRONG MEDICINE.  The right
medicine would be for you to learn to use INSULIN, as
your body would do if it could, but it can't. - Ellis]


Frank: I don't feel nearly as great as I did, but I still
feel pretty good.  Aug, Sept and Oct were a dream come true.

I'm not sure about the long term effects, but I do
believe different people have different results.  I am
going to continue to research HGH, I know what it can
do... but not sure about side effects.

[Who convinced you to get off of HGH?  Was it you,
or was it your doctor?

COME TO MEXICO.  I'll take you to MY doctor, and I'll
teach you to use insulin, and you will go back FEELING
GOOD, FEELING YOUNG, and with your blood glucose truly
controlled, which it AIN'T right now, I'll bet you, for sure...

Wanna bet?  Take a blood test and check for HbA1c...

I will bet it is 6.0 or higher.  That means :
You are losing the game, my friend.   - Ellis]


I will probably take it again in about 6 months.
Once I can figure out a better way to control the
bad effects.

[There are no bad effects.  It was like a dream come
true, you said... The bad effects are in your mind,
and your doctor put them there.

Diabetes came into the picture, but you are 67 years
old... You have been eating bread and spaghetti and potatoes
and chocolate cake and Corn Flakes and fruits 67 years,
which is all your life without wondering about it.

So now you take growth hormone for three months and you
feel great and it's like a dream... but then you discover
that you have diabetes, so what caused the diabetes???

That's like you felt good, so it caused diabetes.

No, man, feeling good is not what caused your diabetes.

Bread and potatoes and chocolate cake and Corn Flakes?
Huh?  That's like chocolate cake and apple pie, man,
you don't blame bad stuff like diabetes on good stuff
like chocolate cake and apple pie! - Ellis]


I didn't want to wake up down the road at 68 (like a
couple of other very well known advocates) with a stroke
or diabetes.


Ellis: [You see, you think you don't have diabetes...

Wake up, man, you have diabetes!  Can't you see it?

You have diabetes.

Maybe your doctor didn't see it either, but you have
diabetes.  Your doctor is trying to convince you that
you don't can get by with metformin, but you can't,
because you have diabetes.

But "according to Ellis" you have diabetes, and you can't
get by with metformin.

You aren't controlling your blood glucose well enough with
metformin... check your HbA1c and you will see I am right.

My suggestion: get back on half a dose of whatever you were
taking of HGH, because YOU SAID those were the best three
months that you can remember... So go in the right direction
again...

That is: one half iu of HGH six times per week, for one
month... then decide what you will do the second month,
but don't leave the HGH, because when you feel GOOD that
means something RIGHT is happening.

Buy a glucose meter, and start to check your blood glucose
before and after meals... and start to eat correctly...

And whenever your blood glucose goes up a bit, bring it
down a bit, by hook or by crook.  It should be close to
85 all day long, every day.

By hook or by crook means: you have to bring it down with
whatever it takes.

Find a doctor who is diabetic and who takes insulin himself,
and consult with him and learn to use insulin.  It is really
very easy for you to learn to use it.  - Ellis]

My question is about different brands of growth hormone.  I have used both
Serostim and Humatrope. I don't feel different from one to
another but I find that Humatrope produces better results at least
for bodyfat purposes.

Do you find that to be true also?  Or is it that Serostim causes
more water retention than Humatrope.?

[Hello John... I have also used Serostim or Saizen (they are both
the one and only growth hormone made by Serono with different
brand names...) and Humatrope.  And I agree that I don't feel
different from one to the other, which is to say that I feel
very good with either one of them...

I don't know if Humatrope produces better results to help reduce
body fat because I have no particular problem with body fat (I
have about 15% bodyfat... which means I am slim... a bit less
fat than the average for the population, but not as little fat as
a body builder or an athlete...)  But there are many bodybuilders
that I know who use Saizen, and many who I know who use Humatrope,
and they are all happy with whichever brand they use.

I like them both, and I use whichever one is less expensive. Once
upon a time, Saizen was less expensive than Humatrope... Now Humatrope
is more expensive than Saizen... but that can change if Saizen (and
Serostim) goes UP in price as I expect it will... - Ellis]

Ellis ]

I have tried to influence my brother Richard to little avail,
on his type II diabetes. His normal answer is "let me ask my
Doctor."  His doctor is HAPPY and PROUD that he got my brother,
who was taking insulin, off of insulin and onto metformin, as
if this was a great accomplishment.


Ellis: [In fact he is causing the death of his patient, by
shortening his life 20 years or more... but that is "the
common medical wisdom"...

That is standard, par for the course, in medical schools and
medical books, and almost all doctors think that insulin is a
very dangerous hormone that should be avoided at all costs.

Therefore, "according to Ellis" and also according to
Dr. Bernstein, they cause the patient's pancreas to burn out
many years before it might have lasted if they had prescribed
insulin, as they should have.

My suggestion: give your brother doctor Bernstein's book, Diabetes
Solution, and then  PRAY that he READS IT.  - Ellis]


Your ideas on Rejuvenation and Diabetes are important as an agent
of change....  Life saving and formidable.... Not being a doctor
also works in your favor should somebody do the wrong thing or
take too much of something.


Ellis: [I never tell people to do what I do.  If they ASK me
what they should do, I tell them what I would do if I was them,
but I still don't tell them to do it.   So each person has to be
the one to take the decision to do it or not do it.

In Mexico we are lucky that we can walk into a pharmacy and buy
all the hormones and medicines that we need to stay healthy...
but most people are SCARED to try hormones, and so the hormones
sit at the pharmacy instead of being in their body, and that
won't make anybody any healthier, either. - Ellis]


Ellis thanks for your time. Jorge E. Bredee


Ellis: [You are welcome. - Ellis]

>Ellis:  I hope you are doing well, guess you were on vacation for a few weeks.

Ellis: [Hello John... I was, and still am, in a strange mood.  But I shouldn't
forget Rejuvenation, and I always come back. - Ellis]

>My question is regarding how they actually produce the HGH.  My real
concern is that it is created using genetically modified mammal cells.

[I have never actually SEEN how they produce growth hormone, but I have spoken
to somebody who worked at Serono, who I think knows how they produce it, and the
"mammalian cells" are not "modified"... they are somehow kept alive and
reproducing themselves... I imagine they are in a dish, with the nutrients and
in the atmosphere they need to stay alive.

They were taken, if I remember correctly, from the gut of a Golden Hamster, or
similar... many moons ago... - Ellis]


>The whole genetic changing thing overall bothers me.


Ellis: [They are not "changing" anything... it is "genetic engineering" which
means that they first remove the DNA from the cells that are kept alive
reproducing themselves, and they plug in the DNA of growth hormone or insulin or
EPO or whatever they are trying to duplicate, into the cell.

The cell then duplicates itself according to the new program it has, as growth
hormone or insulin, etc. instead of as an amoeba, or e. coli, or the gut of a
Golden Hamster, or whatever...

I understand that it might bother you that perhaps they have been cruel to a
Golden Hamster... on the other hand that Golden Hamster gut has probably allowed
little children who would have been midgets to grow taller and lead a normal
life, and it has allowed thousands of persons who have growth hormone deficiency
to lead a healthier life, including me... etc.

It is one of the most amazing medical miracles in the history of medicine that
today we have an almost unlimited supply of hormones which never could have been
obtained before, or were extremely scarce.  These hormones keep hundreds of
millions of people alive (eg., insulin, EPO) or in better health.  It wasn't a
possibility 100 years ago... not even 30 years ago...  There was insulin from
cows and pigs, but it was never as good as the exact copy of human insulin that
diabetics are able to use today.

And as for the Golden Hamster, or the amoeba whose life is altered... I agree it
is unfair, but it is not very different than the mice that they use to develop
or test different medicines, or the horses that are kept to get snake venom
antidote, or the chicken or the fish or the cow who gives up its life to give us
food... It's unfair, but it's The Law of the Jungle.  I sincerely want to thank
those animals that make it possible for me to live healthier by giving up their
life. - Ellis]



>I know you use several brands that you get in Mexico and I am curious what the
differences are in them and your preference.


Ellis: [My preference is for the LEAST COSTLY high quality and authentic HGH. 
Humatrope went up in price about 10% today, in Mexico... and I expect the price
of Saizen and Serostim will go up soon too, because it is made in Italy which
has the Euro which was $1.20 dollar per 1 Euro a year ago, and today is $1.50
dollars per Euro... that is 25% more dollars measured in Euros, or 20% less
dollars measured in dollars... or whatever it is...

So... for the moment, my preference is for Saizen or Serostim, which are less
expensive than Humatrope.  There is no qualitative difference.  They are both
PERFECT quality.  And there are other good brands that are also PERFECT, but
they are more expensive than Humatrope...  - Ellis]


>I believe that originally HGH was taken from cadavers,(which I would never even
consider).

Ellis: [Nobody even considers it... nowhere in the world... There is no cadaver
derived HGH sold anywhere in the world... In the first place, it would cost much
more to get it from cadavers than to "harvest it" in a lab... It just isn't
commercial... Plus the fact that it is forbidden by law... but even if it could
be obtained, it would necessarily be much more expensive than the growth hormone
that is made in a laboratory.

However... I have seen growth hormone from ex-Communist countries which says it
is growth hormone mixed with various other hormones, for example HUMAN DERIVED
thymus... But I wouldn't use it, so I don't sell them either...  I suggest you
would avoid that like the plague that perhaps it carries.  - Ellis]


>I love your teachings and look forward to your information on all of
this.

JOHN

Ellis: [Thanks for the nice words... I love to teach what I learn, but I never
forget that I learned it here on Rejuvenation, from you.  And I'm onto something
else that might be very good too, coming soon. - Ellis]

Interesting information regarding using insulin to keep blood sugar
levels between 80 and 90.   I guess I have been extremely fortunate
in that every year when my blood sugar levels are tested the highest
they have been after fasting is 85.

Do I still need a glucose meter and insulin?


Ellis: [That depends on how much you want to know what your
blood glucose levels are.  "According to Ellis" you will learn
a lot more if you check your blood glucose 5 or 6 times per day
every day for one year, than once every year.   Usually, that
once per year is BEFORE BREAKFAST... that gives a useful figure,
but it doesn't give enough information.

For example... The DOCTOR that I wrote about a few days ago
told me that he is VERY PLEASED that he has his diabetes "under
control" because he takes METFORMIN... He bases his satisfaction
on the fact that his MORNING FASTING GLUCOSE level is about 90
(says he... I'll bet 100 to 1 that this isn't true...)

But, SUPPOSING that his morning fasting blood glucose is 90...

This still does not mean that his diabetes is under control
because I think he is getting HIGHS of 160 or 180 or maybe even
higher... so his pancreas is releasing insulin which is enough
to lower his blood glucose in (let's say...) EIGHT HOURS... but
"according to Ellis" he is having DAMAGE during those hours when
his blood glucose is HIGH.

He doesn't think this is as bad as how I describe it... And I
believe this person who is 68 years old who is diabetic and who
I think (because I see how he eats) that he is getting blood
glucose levels of 160 and 180 or higher for MANY HOURS every day
is in BIG DANGER of dying of having a heart attack or stroke in
twenty years or less.

So... Your single blood test each year only tells us that you
are not a Diabetic Type I... You might be a Diabetic Type II...

Or you might be getting high blood glucose levels and they come
down in two hours, so you are ON THE ROAD TO DIABETES, even
though you are not a diabetic as defined by the A.D.A.
(this is also my case...)

In my opinion, it would be SMART if you would slow down the
advance to diabetes on the Road to Diabetes.

You can only do this if you KNOW what are your blood glucose
levels AFTER you eat, and if you know HOW FAST it takes for a
high level to come down... You can only do that if you check your
blood glucose levels several times a day...

So go and buy a blood glucose meter and maybe 250 test strips and
start to take notes...  I suggest the Freestyle, by Abbott...
or the AccuCheck, by Roche... - Ellis]




I have been injecting HGH for 6 months at 3 ius per day and I got
side effects of extreme knee pain for several months... so I dropped
the amount to 1.5 iu every other day...

I just went through 2 months of neck pain after the knee quit.

I Don't know if I have traveling pain, or what?!

I am going to wait a few months and go back up to the higher level.

[Why do you want to go back to the higher level if it caused you
extreme knee pain for several months?  Are you getting benefits
at 1.5 iu WITHOUT knee pain?  Then, WHO CARES what are your
IGF-1 levels?  Decide your dose by the benefits you get...

And if you are not getting good benefits, then perhaps change
your BRAND of growth hormone. - Ellis]


My IGF-1 was 180 last month and I am hoping to go back up to 300.

Any suggestions??

Georgia

[Yes.  Don't get confused about what you want to do.  You want
to get good benefits and you want to have good health.  You don't
care one bit what anybody says that blood tests should be if you
have PAIN when you get that level. - Ellis]

Well, mabe this will help open up some conversation:

First, I understand that it is insulin that does the aging...that it
is insulin that packs on the weight.

On the flipside, the low blood sugar levels with healthy, effective
insulin is what one would aspire to.

Well, I am insulin resistant, and have hyper insulinism... I am
diabetic for sure, but can also go into hypoglycemia if I try and
eat too low carb.

I do NOT take any medications, and I try and restrict my diet very
carefully.  But one of the problems I have are uncontrollable
binges.

So I might eat mostly really admirably well... and then I lose }it......

Also, eating food often makes me ill.... and not eating food makes me
ill as well.

I am not sure if this is all blood sugar related, or if some of it
is adrenal/ food allergies/ heart failure... I have been trying to
figure it out for a long time.

Deep candida that I am having hard time getting resolved also adds
to  this binging, I am sure.

To be honest, I am not sure what my exact question is here.

I have read your info files before, and can understand the concept
about keeping the blood sugar low and stable... But I guess what I
don't  understand is how it works to take extra insulin, if insulin
supposedly ages you and packs on the weight, etc....

And how do I deal with that when I already have hyperinsulinism, but
I can not eat only super low carb?..and then I "lose it..." (I cannot
lose weight for the life of me....)

Do you have any comments on any of the above? Can you shed any light?

Thanks,

Inga


Ellis [Hello Inga... You are right, I am not sure what your exact
question is here, but I will try to answer an interesting question
which you ask, which I will rephrase as follows:

"How does it help to take injected insulin, if insulin supposedly
ages you, and packs on the weight, etc.?"

The right amount of Insulin doesn't age you... Excess insulin
ages you...

The reason that it "works" to inject insulin is because I am
taking the RIGHT DOSE of insulin AT THE RIGHT TIME, and so this
helps to KEEP MY BLOOD GLUCOSE LEVELS down...

This then removes the necessity of my PANCREAS to try to bring
high blood glucose levels down with high levels of insulin...
So my pancreas doesn't have to produce and release great amounts
of insulin to bring down blood glucose because my blood glucose
level is (hopefully) between 70 and 90 mg/dl due to the insulin
which I injected an hour ago.

So "according to Ellis" in the LONG RUN, my pancreas will not burn
out as soon as it will if I don't give it some help.  So this will
help me to postpone the day when I will become a diabetic type 2...

And let me say this about "insulin supposedly ages you..."

It is not INSULIN that ages you... it is SUGAR IN THE BLOOD
that ages you, because sugar gums up the circulatory system, and
sugar also snuffs out NEURONS, and sugar damages HEMOGLOBIN in
your blood which should be carrying OXYGEN to all your body...
And it also probably crystallizes and damages some other
protein cells in your body, which might or might not recover...

For sure, NEURONS are damaged with high blood glucose, because
we KNOW this happens to diabetics... Some neurons might recuperate
if they are only damaged a little... but once neurons are gone,
in theory they are gone forever.  Another neuron might be
brought to take up the job, but it will never be the same.

The problem with losing NEURONS is that EVEN IF another neuron
might take on its job... "According to Ellis" every NEURON HAS
A MEMORY... and if the neuron is gone, the memory is gone too...

The memory might be "I receive an order over on this side and I
send it out, over on this side"

Or the memory might be "Ellis is the name of this person."

But once the memory is gone, it is gone, and now some other neuron
has to do the job... maybe it will learn and be programmed with a
new memory that says "I receive an order on this side... and where
do I send it out?  Oh... I think maybe I send it out over on
this side... let me see..."

Or it might be "Elvis is the name of this person..."

So we get the job done but we lose a little speed... we lose a
little memory every time we lose a neuron because of high blood
glucose...

So we really have to try to avoid the loss of neurons because
NEURONS IS US.  OUR BEING IS OUR NERVOUS SYSTEM, not the muscles
or the bones or the heart or the liver or the circulatory system,
which are all there just to package and move and assist the BRAIN
and the NERVOUS SYSTEM.  We THINK, and WE FEEL, and WE CREATE, and
WE ARE HAPPY or WE ARE SAD because it is our NERVOUS SYSTEM that
thinks and feels and creates or is happy or sad... WE ARE our
nervous system.

Red blood cells will regenerate, if the kidney is not damaged...
but the kidney will eventually get damaged if blood sugar is high
for many years, because the kidney is the organ that is in charge
of CLEANING UP THE MESS every time blood sugar is high.

And since the kidney is in charge of producing and releasing
EPO, which regulates the amount of oxygen circulating in our
blood, if the kidney gets damaged or partly damaged by high blood
glucose, then it loses ability to make EPO and so we also lose a
little oxygen in our body.

(If you don't know what is EPO, please read this page)

http://www.rajeun.net/whatisepo.html

This is as if you lose a little water to water your garden... Most
of the grass grows green, but some of the grass has to suffer from
less water.

This is the reason why a person who is diabetic for many years
and does not know it, ends up discovering that he is diabetic when
he finally has to go to the doctor because he has KIDNEY problems.
By then his kidney is probably shot to death, and the person is in
BIG TROUBLE.

So... I know it is a paradox... I know it seems that when I
inject INSULIN I am RAISING the amount of insulin in my blood.

But I am raising it exactly when I need to raise it.  This is
like the saying "a stitch in time, saves nine..."  I put in one
stitch of insulin at the right time, and this saves what would
have been nine stitches of insulin, later.

So... If you would inject a proper dose of insulin at the
right time, it is MY GUESS that your pancreas would not have
to release extra large quantities of insulin ("hyperinsulinism")
later.

And if you would not have HIGH BLOOD GLUCOSE LEVELS at some
time, which is causing you to have high blood insulin levels
and resistance to insulin, then you would also avoid the roller
coaster ride which then goes to become Hypoglycemia.

Like in a roller coaster, the LOWS come after the HIGHS.

Avoid the HIGHs, and you avoid the LOWs.

And paradoxically the lower amount of insulin then floating about
in my blood is LESS than if I had not injected insulin... And
"according to Ellis" it is EXCESS quantities of insulin floating
about in the circulatory system for long periods of time that causes
INSULIN RESISTANCE...

Read my pages:

Non-Diabetic use of Lantus
http://www.rajeun.net/usinglantus.html

and

Non-Diabetic use of Insulin
http://www.rajeun.net/usinginsulin.html

I also have a page on HOW TO REVERSE INSULIN RESISTANCE, but since
I intend to include this page in a book which I intend to sell,
you can READ the page, but you have to write to me and agree that
it is FOR YOUR EYES ONLY... Write to me to etoussier(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Rejuvenation Subscriber: Reverse Insulin Resistance,
and I will be happy to give you the URL (without charge...)

Thanks for writing,

- Ellis]

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On Nov 23, 2007, at 11:59 PM, Ellis Toussier Bigio wrote:

> And of course, he doesn't believe in growth hormone, testosterone,
> or EPO... and of course not, insulin.
>
> So... please send in questions or discussions about diabetes,
> using insulin, blood glucose, metformin, etc.

I will back up Ellis on his insulin use.  As long as you don't
endanger yourself with significant hypogycemia, the lower you
keep your hemoglobin A1C, the better off you are.

Insulin is the most natural adjunct to facilitate this. It
obviously needs advanced monitoring and consistency.

My glucose stays low because I have fasted every other day for
years. True anti-aging takes effort.

James R Hughes, MD




Ellis: [Hello Dr. Hughes!   Hey, it's good to hear from you!

For those who do not know who is Dr. James Hughes, he was one
of my first TEACHERS about HGH... and I never forget my teachers
to who I owe a debt of gratitude for what I know today...

I still remember my first grade teacher in elementary school...

I even remember my Kindergarten teacher, before elementary school...

So of course I remember Dr. Hughes, who really helped me VERY
MUCH when I knew very little about using growth hormone and I
didn't have a doctor yet... but I was using HGH anyways...
Viva Mexico, as I always say.

Thanks, again for all you taught me.

I owe to Dr. Hughes one bit of knowledge which was crucial at
that time, and that bit of knowledge is: What level of IGF-1
should I shoot for?

Dr. Hughes told me that I should shoot for 350 to 500, and that
has always been what I try to shoot for since then.  At one point
I was taking 3 iu of HGH every day, and my IGF-1 came out about
720 (if I remember correctly...)

I was not getting any side effects of any kind, but I didn't
want to have an IGF-1 that was so much higher than Dr. Hughes'
recommendation... So... I lowered my dose to 2 iu per day,
and it has been 2 iu per day for about 7 or 8 years, which
gives me IGF-1 of about 500 to 550...

And I am convinced that this recommendation is correct.  I
know many doctors recommend about 280, but I have had my
IGF-1 between 500 and 550, so I can tell you that if the
best dose is the HIGHEST dose that you can take and get
good benefits WITHOUT getting side effects, then 2 iu per
day is perhaps that dose.

But the important thing about this recommendation is that I
also recommended it to thousands of persons who have read my
pages or contacted me throughout the years... And it is
correct, until somebody demonstrates that I have any side
effect, or until somebody demonstrates that another range of
IGF-1 is better.

So... getting back to your post... Thanks for backing me up
that my use of insulin is good because it helps to keep blood
glucose levels controlled.  (Optimal: 70 to 85 mg/dl
Normal: 86 to 90 mg/dl)   There is NO WAY for me to get
hypoglycemia if I take the right dose of Lantus (very steady,
and very low dose of insulin...) as long as I also eat
SOMETHING... anything...

I think 10 iu Lantus is equivalent to perhaps 1 iu of fast
acting insulin, for 24 hours (supposedly) so it is really
impossible to get hypoglycemia even if I would FORGET to eat.

So it needs some monitoring, but after I learned what my
dose is, and how I react to it, today I can really play it
by ear.  I inject 10 iu Lantus in the morning, and 5 iu
Lantus at night (instead of 15 iu Lantus once a day...) that
will never give me hypoglycemia... and I also inject a tiny
dose of 3 iu Humulin "R" or Humalog, if I think I should take
it before a big meal.

And of course I agree that the lower you keep your average
blood glucose, the better off you will be 30 or 40 years from
today.

This is, in fact, the single most important anti-aging therapy:

Eat good food that keeps your blood glucose levels between
70 and 85 mg/dl all day, every day, for as long as you can.

Thanks for writing,

Ellis]



-----Original Message-----
From: Ellis Toussier Bigio <etoussier@...>
To: Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 2:59 am
Subject: [Rejuvenation] Still alive







I have gotten a lot of e-mails recently asking me if I am
alive (yes) or alright (yes) or if I am sick (no)... And
several commenting that I haven't sent out any posts in the
past month... That is true... but I am well, thanks.

Sometimes, I just don't come to Rejuvenation for a while.
That's just the way Rejuvenation is.

Unfortunately, that also means that Yahoo erases posts that
I don't send off in a period of 14 days, so that means that
a lot of good posts have been erased and I never saw them.

Please bear with me for a moment, I am having a new website
set up, with a forum, and I will become active again once it
is ready.

Today I approved the subscription to Rejuvenation of nearly
70 persons... Reading the comments that they write, we have
many persons who are interested in diabetes and/or why do I
use insulin if I am not a diabetic? I am glad to discuss this,
so please send in your questions about discussions about diabetes
or about how to "control" your blood glucose.

("According to Ellis" your blood glucose is not well controlled
if it rises to 100 mg/dl or higher at any time during the day.)

Today I happened to eat with some friends, and one of them
is a DOCTOR who IS a diabetic type II. But... par for the
course for DOCTORS... he thinks he has his diabetes under
control because he drinks a pill of metformin... "According
to Ellis" he has ZERO idea of the correct way to treat any
diabetes, including his own diabetes.

He is 67 years old... chubby... wrinkled... in general he looks
about 67, so he is satisfied with his health.

I think that if he could have a written guarantee that he will
live only 10 more years, he would be very happy with that. Like
a typical doctor, he is more than happy if we have an average
lifespan, which is about 74 years for men.

If I could get through to him that he can control his blood
glucose much better with insulin, I have no doubt that he
would improve his health... But of course I can't get through
to him. He is a doctor. It is too radical to think that you
should take INSULIN, since 99.999% of all doctors are stuck on
the belief that insulin is very dangerous. They think it is
better to take and prescribe metformin, or Byetta, or other
medicines that are not INSULIN.

Fortunately, he does not pretend to know about diabetes, and he
does not say he is an expert in diabetes... that is good, to find
a doctor who is slightly humble.

He has an open mind, but he has brain damage because he is
programmed to believe "conventional medical wisdom" to
the effect that INSULIN IS DANGEROUS and that his diabetes
is WELL CONTROLLED because he takes METFORMIN! He has a glucose
meter, but unfortunately he doesn't use it. So... how can you
control blood glucose, if you don't use a glucose meter at least
a few times every day...

But this doesn't bother him. He ate second servings of rice,
bread, beans, potatoes, etc. I think his blood glucose
probably went above 200 mg/dl... which will kill him in 20
years or sooner... there is no way to KNOW what was his blood
glucose, without taking a blood glucose test.

And of course, he doesn't believe in growth hormone, testosterone,
or EPO... and of course not, insulin.

So... please send in questions or discussions about diabetes,
using insulin, blood glucose, metformin, etc.

I will be in Can Cun from Dec. 1 to Dec. 8... I will stay at the
Royal Mayan... In case anybody subscribed to Rejuvenation is going
to be there in that week, I will be happy to meet you.

I feel fantastically lucky to have met a famous Greek singer and
his lovely wife, who flew to Mexico City specifically to meet with
me. Sometimes I feel like my life is charmed... it gives me so
much pleasure to meet people who find me on the internet and then
learn from me... it gives me so much pleasure to teach people to
improve their health, in particular with my ideas about growth
hormome, insulin, and EPO... many of which are original ideas.

I owe it to all of you, because I learned and developed my ideas
as the moderator of Rejuvenation.

- Ellis





________________________________________________________________________
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http://mail.aol.com

I have gotten a lot of e-mails recently asking me if I am
alive (yes) or alright (yes) or if I am sick (no)... And
several commenting that I haven't sent out any posts in the
past month... That is true... but I am well, thanks.

Sometimes, I just don't come to Rejuvenation for a while.
That's just the way Rejuvenation is.

Unfortunately, that also means that Yahoo erases posts that
I don't send off in a period of 14 days, so that means that
a lot of good posts have been erased and I never saw them.

Please bear with me for a moment, I am having a new website
set up, with a forum, and I will become active again once it
is ready.

Today I approved the subscription to Rejuvenation of nearly
70 persons... Reading the comments that they write, we have
many persons who are interested in diabetes and/or why do I
use insulin if I am not a diabetic?  I am glad to discuss this,
so please send in your questions about discussions about diabetes
or about how to "control" your blood glucose.

("According to Ellis" your blood glucose is not well controlled
if it rises to 100 mg/dl or higher at any time during the day.)

Today I happened to eat with some friends, and one of them
is a DOCTOR who IS a diabetic type II.  But... par for the
course for DOCTORS... he thinks he has his diabetes under
control because he drinks a pill of metformin... "According
to Ellis" he has ZERO idea of the correct way to treat any
diabetes, including his own diabetes.

He is 67 years old... chubby... wrinkled... in general he looks
about 67, so he is satisfied with his health.

I think that if he could have a written guarantee that he will
live only 10 more years, he would be very happy with that.  Like
a typical doctor, he is more than happy if we have an average
lifespan, which is about 74 years for men.

If I could get through to him that he can control his blood
glucose much better with insulin, I have no doubt that he
would improve his health... But of course I can't get through
to him.  He is a doctor.  It is too radical to think that you
should take INSULIN, since 99.999% of all doctors are stuck on
the belief that insulin is very dangerous.  They think it is
better to take and prescribe metformin, or Byetta, or other
medicines that are not INSULIN.

Fortunately, he does not pretend to know about diabetes, and he
does not say he is an expert in diabetes... that is good, to find
a doctor who is slightly humble.

He has an open mind, but he has brain damage because he is
programmed to believe "conventional medical wisdom" to
the effect that INSULIN IS DANGEROUS and that his diabetes
is WELL CONTROLLED because he takes METFORMIN!   He has a glucose
meter, but unfortunately he doesn't use it.  So... how can you
control blood glucose, if you don't use a glucose meter at least
a few times every day...

But this doesn't bother him.  He ate second servings of rice,
bread, beans, potatoes, etc.   I think his blood glucose
probably went above 200 mg/dl... which will kill him in 20
years or sooner... there is no way to KNOW what was his blood
glucose, without taking a blood glucose test.

And of course, he doesn't believe in growth hormone, testosterone,
or EPO... and of course not, insulin.

So... please send in questions or discussions about diabetes,
using insulin, blood glucose, metformin, etc.

I will be in Can Cun from Dec. 1 to Dec. 8... I will stay at the
Royal Mayan... In case anybody subscribed to Rejuvenation is going
to be there in that week, I will be happy to meet you.

I feel fantastically lucky to have met a famous Greek singer and
his lovely wife, who flew to Mexico City specifically to meet with
me.  Sometimes I feel like my life is charmed... it gives me so
much pleasure to meet people who find me on the internet and then
learn from me...  it gives me so much pleasure to teach people to
improve their health, in particular with my ideas about growth
hormome, insulin, and EPO... many of which are original ideas.

I owe it to all of you, because I learned and developed my ideas
as the moderator of Rejuvenation.

- Ellis

Hi!

I'm a 21 year old medical student with a passion for anti-aging
medicine. Right now:

1) I fast 18h every day


[Very interesting!  From what time to what time do you fast,
at what times do you eat during your 6 hours ON period... I
suppose at the beginning and at the end, so that is at least
two meals... and WHAT DO YOU EAT? - Ellis]


2) I eat a high fat & high protein diet (ie low carb, but not very
low carb as I eat a lot of vegetables and some fruit)

[That is PERFECT... just don't eat A LOT of fruit in one
serving... MEASURE YOUR BLOOD GLUCOSE with a glucose meter
and I think you will find it is usually below 100, probably
always close to 85 or 90... And avoid BREAD and POTATOES and
SPAGHETTI and SWEETS and CEREALS...

But... also eat a BAD MEAL sometime just "for the sake of science"
and measure your blood glucose... if it goes above 110 or so,
then you are on the road to diabetes... You might get there 30
or 40 years from now, but once you know it, you might decide to
advance very slowly by eating correctly, in which case you might
never get there while you are alive...

If it does not rise above 110, you still have a brand new
pancreas... keep it that way!

See my page: http://www.rajeun.net/assess.html

also see my page:

http//www.rajeun.net/glucose.html

and

http://www.rajeun.net/HbA1c_glucose.html

  - Ellis]


3) I take a host of supplements including curcumin, garlic, coq10,
iodine, magnesium, cinnulin, etc.

My blood sugar, after typical meals rises to about 5.6mmol/L
(101 mg/dl),  dropping back to 5.1mmol/L (about 91 mg/dl) after
2.5 hours.


[Well... you are not diabetic, that's for sure!  - Ellis]


However, my basal fasting blood sugar is always around 4.9-5.1mmol/L
(88-92), it doesn't drop below that.


So, basically it appears like I just have slightly too much sugar
produced continually via gluconeogenesis.

Would basal insulin be optimal for life extension/quality purposes?

Paul


[Hello Paul... the problem seems to be your glucose meter, not
you, or your diet.  There is no real problem with your glucose
meter, it is just calibrated a little higher than a lab glucose
meter, so you would probably get a lower reading in a lab
glucose meter...  I suggest you should go and take an HbA1c
in a lab, and I predict you will probably get less than 5.0

HOWEVER... you ask if taking a dose of basal insulin would be
OPTIMAL for life extension/quality purposes...

To answer this, I have to know to what extreme are you willing
to go, to get near to perfect results, because if you continue
to eat as you do, I think you will get to age 90 WITHOUT using
insulin, and you will not become a diabetic until past age 110...

But you are not getting PERFECT results right now...

I would say you are getting a B+, or an A-...

So... you are asking if getting an A+ would be better for life
extension/quality purposes than getting an A-... I don't know...
Do you want to get to age 120?  You might need an A+, starting
now, or starting later...  but NOBODY KNOWS, and nobody can
know because nobody has ever tried it before!

So do you want to be the first?   Be my guest.  In theory, YOU
WILL improve your health and live longer and in better health
because you will lower your average blood glucose...

However, it is NOT EASY to be a perfectionist, as Dr. Bernstein
is, or as I wish I would be but am not...

BUT... in any case... IF YOU DON'T MIND getting into the
habit of injecting a little long-lasting Lantus perhaps in
the morning and also a little at night, and if this will not
inspire you to eat a little more carbs, and if you don't mind
getting Lantus on the black market because no doctor in his
right mind will give you a prescription to buy it... (oh, but
you are a medical student... so maybe you can convince some
very far-out doctor to give you a prescription...)

Then...

Yes... I am sure Lantus would be good for an OPTIMAL life
extension program, even if you are not a diabetic, and even
if you are only 21 years old, because I am 100% certain it
would lower your average blood glucose perhaps 10 points on
YOUR home glucose meter... which means it is also lowering the
average in the laboratory standard blood glucose meter...
Which means you would probably lower your HbA1c from
about 4.9 to perhaps 4.5  WHICH IS WHAT DR. BERNSTEIN
GETS.

And that would result, theoretically, in LESS LOSS OF NEURONS
in YOUR BRAIN and in ALL OF YOUR BODY.

DR. Bernstein is a really strict practitioner of what he
preaches.   He says that he keeps his blood glucose at
83 before, during, and after eating.  That means he injects
insulin in anticipation of a future need for insulin in his
blood, because there is a time lapse of about 45 minutes between
the time you inject insulin and the time it is taking action
in your body.

And he really measures and chooses the food he is going to
eat.  It must be a bit tedious, but his life depends on it
which is why he does it, and mine doesn't, but I do it
anyways... but I do it in EASY MODE...

Too bad he didn't learn to do that when he was 12 years old.
I am sure he would be in much better physical shape today than
he actually is, because his body suffered because of his
diabetes 1 for perhaps 40 years, until he learned what DOCTORS
assured him was impossible: to control his blood glucose.

I am not so strict myself... On the other hand, I am much
more strict than perhaps 99% of everybody on planet earth.  But
in the first place, I am not a diabetic so I don't have to
be so strict, yet...

But... I also know I am well on the road to diabetes because
my blood glucose goes up to 160 with a large glass of orange
juice... I think yours does not... YET...

So... Do you want to start to take really strict care of your
blood glucose, starting at age 21?  If you do, congratulations.

But you are not a diabetic... where are you going to get a
prescription for Lantus from, assuming you live in the U.S.A.?
(I am in Mexico, Thank You-Know-Who...)

If you decide not to take Lantus, which is MUCH EASIER and much
less hassle than to try to control your blood glucose with good diet
(which you are already doing) and exercise... I understand you.

But... IF YOU DECIDE TO control your blood glucose with
something, then I say: let it be INSULIN and not METFORMIN...

Why?  Because INSULIN is what you should control your blood
glucose with... You shouldn't control it with cinnamon, or
with metformin, or with fiber, or with anything else than
INSULIN... (my humble opinion... I know most doctors will
disagree, but... I also know I am right.)

So... for the moment, I suggest you get an HbA1c test, and
then decide what you want to do... If it comes out about a 5.0 or
less, then the EASY way is to keep on eating correctly, and do
exercise... MEASURE YOUR BLOOD GLUCOSE often, so you keep a check
on what you are eating...

That way, you won't upset everybody who will think you are
nuts.

But I wish I would have known when I was 21 what I know today
about diet and about diabetes and about insulin, and I wish that I
had been able to use Lantus ever since I was 21 years old...

Today, the world would have had somebody who has used Lantus for
40 years to avoid getting diabetes.  And I know it would have
been great for my health, as it is great for my health that I
am using it today, long before I am a diabetic, because it helps
me to avoid loss of neurons.

I know I would have used it.  I probably would have gotten to
age 52 (which is when I looked at myself in the mirror and I
said to myself... "oh, oh... I look OLD... I have to do
something about this!")  in much better shape than I did, which
was not so bad anyways, but it could have been better.

In any case... READ my pages: Using insulin and Using Lantus:

http://www.rajeun.net/usinginsulin.html

and

http://www.rajeun.net/usinglantus.html


Thanks for writing...

Great Post!  three stars!

- Ellis

Does anybody have experience or theoretical knowledge of the effect
of HGH on the restoration of joint function in an arthritic joint
(OA variety)?

It seems like it is happening for me (very slow though).


[Can you please repeat that, because I didn't understand your
post very well... you want to know what is the effect of
HGH on the restoration of joint function... but... then...

WHAT is happening to you, very slowly?   Your joint function is
being restored?  Or are you losing joint function because
you have an arthritic joint (OA variety)?

Please start at the beginning... Tell us what happened, and
what seems to be happening.  And please explain what is an
arthritic joint of the OA variety...

I am not a doctor, and if I don't understand what you are saying
maybe others on the forum don't understand it either.   Thanks.
- Ellis]

Ellis,  What a tremendous amount of info in this group!  Wow!  Many
thanks to you.

[You are welcome.  There is actually a treasure chest of
information in the Archives of Rejuvenation, which you can
go to if you sign in to Yahoo Groups, then go to Rejuvenation,
then click on "Messages" which is on the list of links on the
right column.  It is amazing, nearly 10,000 posts over 9
years, and there are some GREAT posts, and answers to just
about any question you might have. - Ellis]


This is my first time posting.  O.k, here is the last ten yrs. of my
life (condensed) in one email.  I need help.

I'm 39, weigh 220 and 5'9.  I've been athletic except the last ten
yrs. Got married, children, moved, job change, etc.  I could not put
my finger on it but noticed a drastic change in my sense of well-
being, both physically and mentally.  After eight yrs. of sluggishly
going through the motions, I wrote down on paper some symptoms I had
been having.

Literally, I had experienced loss of energy, low libido, scattered
thoughts, no attention span, sudden weight gain, very hard to lose
weight, moody, almost a depressing feeling all the time.  That made
it hard to function because I work with area young people on a weekly
basis.

I took the list to a Dr. in my area and he said I was just
depressed.  I went to another Dr. and he immediately scheduled an
MRI.  Came back fine.  He then gave me a physical which turned out
fine.  He then did blood work and checked my testosterone
level.  Guess what?  It was 220.  He began to give me injections
for two months, twice a month.

Let me say I felt better in those two months than I had felt in
almost ten yrs, honestly!  He then did a testosterone level check
after those two months and it had jumped to 1000.  He immediately
discontinued my therapy saying it was too high and my insurance
will not pay for it if it is that high.

So, I'm back to going through the motions.  That was only two
months ago.  I have an appointment to go back to him for another
testosterone level check in about another month.  But is hard to
wait this thing out.

What do you think?  Sincerely,  Lee


[Hello Lee... I think your problem might be related to an
imbalance in thyroid... and I think you should try to find
another more sympathetic and maybe more flexible doctor...

What's this about he discontinued testosterone replacement
because your result came out 1000?  Hasn't he ever heard
that he can "lower the dose"?   And what does he care if
the insurance company will pay for it or not?  What does
that have to do with what you need?

Your testosterone will surely be too low, two months
after you discontinued testosterone.  You should not have
discontinued, and if the insurance doesn't pay for it that is
not a correct reason for discontinuing something that made
you feel much better because you need it.

I would also like to know your IGF-1, and your PSA, and
your hematocrit and hemoglobin... and I would like to know
your fasting glucose and also I would like for you to check
your blood glucose level half an hour and 60 minutes after
eating a high carb meal.

With that, a good anti aging doctor would fix you up.

Ellis]

Hi Ellis,
    I am going to get blood tests, Do you have a list of tests I should
get so I can start your program?

[This is what I suggest, but I am not a doctor... a doctor
might ask for more... but this is all I do myself:

http://www.rajeun.net/bloodtest.html

Amazingly enough, today you should HOPE that your IGF-1 will
come out as low as possible.  And if you take an arginine HGH
stimulation test, or insulin tolerance test (ITT) you should
hope that your pituitary is releasing as little as possible, so
that your doctor can back up why he prescribes growth hormone
to you: because you have Adult Growth Hormone Deficiency...

And there are ways to make your dream come true...

"Anti-Aging" has become a dirty word with the F.D.A. since
Thomas Perls and Jay Olshansky published an article saying
that it is ILLEGAL to prescribe HGH for anti aging reasons...

To me this is very sad, because growth hormone is so good for
so many of the problems that ail senior citizens... but...

"THOU SHALT NOT BE TOO HEALTHY" seems to be what the F.D.A. and
the U.S. Congress prefer, so that Babe Ruth's ex-record does not
get broken again and again and again and again and again...

-Ellis]



Also, besides HGH, can I get everything I need from you?

[You can, but you have to have a prescription from a U.S.
doctor for me to ship it, so that it will not be blocked.

If you come to Mexico, you can get a prescription from a
Mexican doctor much more easily than in the U.S. but you
cannot buy HGH with it in the U.S.

In fact, you can buy HGH in Mexico without a prescription
at a pharmacy, but you will need a prescription if you
intend to take it back to the U.S. or Canada or many other
countries.

I can still ship without a prescription to countries that
don't require a prescription, but I want you to get a
prescription.  It is easy to get, not very expensive, and
it might avoid possible big problems for you when you travel.

- Ellis]



What can I expect to pay?

[Write to me and I'll give you prices... I have heard rumors
that the price of Saizen and Serostim (which is made in Italy)
is about to go UP, in part due to the rise of the Euro vs.
the U.S. Dollar.  - Ellis]



And what is the highest dose a 43 year old woman will end up with
HGH?

[The highest dose is the highest dose that you can take over
the long term that does not cause any side effects... I am not
sure what that dose is... but... experiment with 1/2 iu and 1.0
iu and 1.5 iu and 2.0 iu...  use a dose that gives you good
physical results and no side effects at all, but does not also
break the bank.  You have to be able to afford it, because the
Government won't give it to you, so don't take a dose that will
be too expensive for your budget in the long run.

And "according to Ellis" women who still have their monthly
cycle will probably get better results if they increase and
decrease the dose, according to the high estrogen and high progesterone days... 
- Ellis]


Thank You Ellis

Kelly

Hi,  Ellis,
   My Anti Aging doc would like me to start using HGH, One month at .05
iu for $300.00, then up to 3.0 iu $600.00 per month, The use of a
pen??? Could I get it cheaper in Mexico???

Thank You Ellis

Kelly G

[Hello Kelly,

Yes, you can probably get HGH for less in Mexico, but I can't
figure out what it is costing you now, because if .05 costs $300,
then six times as much (3 iu) should cost $1800 per month... so
maybe you made a typo?  I can't guess what your typo was, so
I'll just say, you can probably get high quality HGH for less
in Mexico... but...

I suggest you should bring your doctor's prescription with you,
or get a prescription from a Mexican doctor while you are here,
because you might need it to get through U.S. Customs if you
intend to take it back with you.   Some people tell me that
they do not declare it at Customs and they get through without
problem, but unless you like excitement, I suggest it is better
if you get a prescription and don't sweat it out.

I understand that you can take it back with a prescription of
an American or a Mexican doctor, but better ask U.S. Customs
before you come... An American doctor, for sure.  Just so
you know: HGH is not an anabolic steroid!

Thanks for writing,

Ellis

Look up normal igf-1 levels and you will find it goes to 460 or so.
SO 260 is NOT real high and I believe HGH will be good for  him.



[I agree HGH will be good for him, as it is good for anybody
over and under age 30...


I have a graph that shows the IGF-1 level of 100 athletes age 25
goes up to about 700, but almost all of them have IGF below 550,
and about 350 is the norm.  (see the graph here, soon:

http://www.rajeun.net/day30.html  )

I have never personally seen or been told by any athlete who
does not use HGH that they have IGF-1 higher than 220, but I
have not seen many IGF-1 results of athletes.  The highest I
have seen was IGF-1 = 220 of Jack Harari, who was about age
40 at the time, and he was in very very good physical shape.
(similar to "Charles Atlas" who was a body builder with a body
that in my opinion is truly beautiful, in the 1950's... he
would never win a body building contest today, given the
criteria of what is a winning beautiful body, today... )
- Ellis]





Ellis Wrote:

>I have never heard of anybody with a 260 IGF-1 without
HGH. Either your son is a natural Superman, (I am an artificial
Superman...) or read the test result with a grain of salt: the
right ballpark (ie, he is a very healthy person) but don't pay
too much attention to the exact figure, "260"... the most I
believe is "220"... plus or minus 20%, as we saw in Dr. Cranton's
posts, that includes 260... See my page:

http://www.rajeun.net/cranton.html

- Ellis]

Hello Ellis,

Related to this subject, Are you familiar with the anti-aging and
rejuvenation protocols of "Oil Pulling"?  If not, may I suggest that
you google "oil pulling" to observe the first 20? referenced sites
related to health/beauty, aging and particularly teeth and gingivitis
reports.

[Hello C. Edward... I "googled" "oil pulling" and I found the article
below, which summarizes the talk given by Dr. Karach.  So...
what do I have to lose?  Nothing.  I'll try it! - Ellis]



I have been a lurker on your moderated & interesting site for many
years and I do entertain many disagreements with your stated judgements.

[But you are still subscribed, so you must entertain many
agreements to my stated judgements too... so... tell me what
you disagree with, and maybe you will convince me to agree
with you, or maybe I will convince you to agree with me.
- Ellis]



If Ukrianian Dr Karach's report to the Soviet Academy of Sciences
is correct; it appears that we all have much to learn.

I have completed my 41st daily session of oil pulling/swishing
using cod liver oil to aleviate 78th year joint aches and pains.
I have indeed noted many improvements re: agility.

Respectfully submitted.

C. Edward

[Thanks for sending me this.  I paste what I found on one
page only, which you can read here:

http://www.oilpulling.com

===========================
Dr. F. Karach, M.D., presented a paper before the All-Ukrainian
Association. The meeting was attended by oncologists and
bacteriologists belonging to the Academy of Science of the USSR.
Dr. Karach explained an unusual simple healing process using
cold-pressed oils.

The results of this therapy invoked astonishment and doubt concerning
the contents of his report. However, after further examining the
workings of the oil therapy, one has but to then test it on oneself
to prove its validity and effectiveness. It is most astonishing that
such results can be achieved with this absolutely harmless biological
healing method.

This simple method makes it possible to effectively treat the most
varied diseases, in some cases enabling one to avoid surgical
intervention and the taking of medications that can have harmful side
effects.

The exciting factor of this healing method is its simplicity. It
consists of swishing cold-pressed oil in the mouth( Sunflower or
Seasme, Pl. note you don't need to go for organic oils only, A normal
refined sunflower oil bought from any supermarket proven to be
effective in many people).

The healing process is accomplished by the human organism on its own.
In this way it is possible to heal cells, tissue and all organs
simultaneously; the body itself gets rid of toxic waste without
disturbing the healthy microflora. Dr. Karach says human beings are
living only half their life span. They could potentially live healthy
to be 140 to 150 years old.

The method

In the morning before breakfast on an empty stomach you take one
tablespoon in the mouth but do not swallow it. Move Oil Slowly in
the mouth as rinsing or swishing and Dr Karach puts it as ' sip,
suck and pull through the teeth' for fifteen to twenty minutes.

This process makes oil thoroughly mixed with saliva. Swishing
activates the enzymes and the enzymes draw toxins out of the blood.

The oil must not be swallowed, for it has become toxic. As the
process continues, the oil gets thinner and white. If the oil is
still yellow, it has not been pulled long enough.

It is then spit from the mouth , the oral cavity must be thoroughly
rinsed and mouth must be washed thoroughly. Just use normal tap water
and good old fingers to clean.

Clean the sink properly, you can use some antibacterial soap to
clean the sink. Because the spittle contains harmful bacteria and
toxic bodily waste. If one were to see one drop of this liquid
magnified 600 times under a microscope, one would see microbes in
their first stage of development.

It is important to understand that during the oil-pulling/swishing
process one's metabolism is intensified. This leads to improved
health. One of the most striking results of this process is the
fastening of loose teeth, the elimination of bleeding gums and the
visible whitening of the teeth.

The oil pulling /swishing is done best before breakfast. To
accelerate the healing process, it can be repeated three times a
day, but always before meals on an empty stomach.

Precautions

(a) Do not swallow. The oil should be spat out. But inadvertently if
you swallow there is nothing to worry. It will go out through faeces.
Nothing is to be done.

(b) If you are allergic to a particular brand of oil, change the
brand of oil or oil itself to different oil.

(c) Sunflower and Sesame oil have been found to be equally effective
in curing diseases. Other oils were not found to be as good. Do not
blame oil pulling by practicing with other oils. Use refined oils.

Results of Oil Pulling

The result of this healing research has attracted amazement and
resulted in further research. This additional research concerning Oil
Therapy has now been thoroughly documented, especially with regard to
physiological similarities between individuals. It is surprising that
through this biological healing method a wide variety of symptoms have
  unquestionably disappeared without any side-effects.

This simple method makes it possible completely heal such a wide
variety of diseases which would normally be treated by an operation
or by powerful or potent Drugs, usually with significant side-effects.

The simplicity of this healing system in which Oil is swirled
backwards and forwards in the mouth, is due to the stimulating
effect which it has on the body's eliminatory system.

Through this method it is possible to heal individual cells,
cell conglomerates such as lymph nodes and more complex tissues
such as internal organs simultaneously. This occurs because the
beneficial microflora throughout the body are provided with a
healthy continuum. Without this natural bodily intrusive element
evinced by the microflora the usual pattern of human health tends to
lean towards illness rather than wellness.

Dr. Karach anticipates that regular application of this treatment by
reversing this process so that wellness is the dominant state of the
human body is likely to increase the average human lifespan to
approximately 150 years, double the present life expectancy.  Dr.
Karach is supported in this view by other colleagues in the world.

By means of this treatment {Oil } it is invariably the result that
diseases like migraine headaches, bronchitis, diseased teeth, arterio
thrombosis, chronic blood disorders such as leukemia, arthritis and
related illnesses, neuro physiological paralysis, eczema, gastro
enteritis, peritonitis, heart disease, kidney disease, meningitis, and
women’s hormonal disorders are completely eliminated from the
organism.

The benefit of Dr. Karach's method is that the oil therapy heals the
whole body in perpetuity. In terminal diseases such as cancer, Aids
and chronic infections this treatment method has been shown to
successfully replace all others. Dr. Karach has successfully healed a
chronic leukemia patient with 15 years of harsh treatment methods
behind him. Acute arthritis in 1 patient who was totally bedridden
was removed from his body in 3 days with no inflammation apparent.

NOTE: The recommended oils to use are Sunflower Oil, Seasme Oil. We
are receiving many emails about which oil to use. Our experience
with thousands of people across the globe says USE COLD PRESSED OIL
as first choice, if it is not available use REFINED OIL ( which seems
to be effective in the process too). We have observed that any oil
other than SUNFLOWER or SEASME may not be effective.

Hi,

I am 19 & interested in living for a long time.

What legal things can I discuss with doctors that I can do at
age 19?

They're not very open minded about a 19 year old taking HGH :-)

John

[Hello John,

Since you are only 19, I suggest you don't discuss anything
at all with doctors, except perhaps about nutrition, and
exercise, and vitamins, and skin care...

And that, only if you like to pay consultation fees for advice
which you can usually learn free on the internet... In fact,
you might consult with a doctor and get VERY BAD advice,
because I have seen that there are doctors that agree with
me and doctors that don't agree with me... so one or the other
has to be good advice, and the other is bad advice... so you
might be paying for BAD ADVICE and you won't know it... so it
is really better for you to learn on your own and make up
your own mind.

You can also take blood tests, and ask them to help you to
interpret the blood tests...

But... actually... you will LEARN MUCH MORE and it will COST
YOU MUCH LESS, if instead of consulting with an anti aging
doctor at your age, you READ THE BOOKS written by the doctors
for us OLD FOLKS (at age 19, you even think age 30 is "OLD"...)
So... let me give you a few good books to start with:

Read "Grow Young with HGH" by Dr. Ronald Klatz... This book
used to be "the Bible" when I started using HGH, nine years
ago.  It is written in the style of Popular Science: EASY to
read but it covers the ground...

But you only need to read the first half of this book, because
the second half is about amino acids and secretagogues, etc.
You can skip that, and not lose very much.

There are amino acids which help your pituitary to secrete a
little HGH, for a short period of time... but I don't
recommend you go that route... Real authentic injectible growth
hormone is to amino acids like day is to night... or like the
Major Leagues is to the Little Leagues... it is a different
dimension.

Read "Forty Something Forever" by Harold and Arline Brecher...
This is an excellent book about the benefits of EDTA chelation.
About half of the book is about EDTA chelation, and the other
half is about vitamins and good nutrition... Not quite as
complete as the best anti aging program which you should have
already read, which is MY PROGRAM... but still a good book
which I recommend, for the half which is on EDTA...

Read "Protein Power" by Michael R. Eades and Mary Dan Eades
Great book... I am convinced that Protein is King, and this
book will tell you why.

And... of course read MY ANTI AGING PROGRAM which is really far
out in front of all the others I have seen... it is really broad
and comprehensive, like an aging-risk-management program...
and it really does work.

http://www.rajeun.net/rejuvenation.html

You see, it is not just growth hormone and other hormones...
and it is not just EDTA chealtion, or not just good nutrition
and exercise which will keep you well... it is ALL OF THESE,
together.  Each one does something that the others alone can't
do, and together they do everything.

If you can't get the hormones, do what you can with the others...

You can eat correctly... do exercise... take vitamins... take
care of your skin... you can get rid of parasites... you can
get EDTA chelation... and you can get SOME of the minor league
hormones, which perhaps at age 19 are not even lacking in your
body... You can also get Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy which might
help you not to lose neurons...

I think it would be AMAZING if you would be able to replace
hormones since age 19.  It would be AMAZING if you can control
your blood glucose levels by good nutrition, but also with a
glucose meter to double check what you think is good.

You would not lose NEURONS as fast, and so you would stay much
healthier for much longer.

But... I am not a doctor... and doctors won't stick their necks
out for you, because if what I am doing by replacing The Big
Four hormones (big five minus thyroid) is controversial for OLD
ADULTS (ie, over age 30...) it is absolutely taboo for young
adults.

http://www.rajeun.net/big5.html

So... My advice to you is that you should try to keep your body as
well as possible for as long time as you can, so that when you can
finally get hormones, your body will still be in as good shape as
it was possible to keep it without hormones...

Not many doctors would agree with me that growth hormone and maybe
also testosterone and EPO would be great for you at age 19...  but
in any case, I made it to age 52 without growth hormone, or
testosterone, or EPO, or insulin, and I am still pretty well
today... So fortunately, I got started before it was too late,
ie, before I had lost too many NEURONS.

But I wish I had started to use growth hormone at age 19... I think
I would probably be in even better physical shape today, at age 62...

But... NO COMPLAINTS... THANK YOU ELI LILLY for giving me growth
hormone at age 52!  That was truly UN-BE-LIEVABLE and I am very
grateful.

  - Ellis

Hi Ellis,

Jack and his wife can use my chamber for as long as
they like for free.



[Hey! Frank, what took you so long to answer?!!  I sent
that post off yesterday, and today your answer was here!

THANKS for being so generous.. I thank you for me, and
I am sure also from everybody subscribed to Rejuvenation
who is reading this.

But... I am sure that there is a cost for the oxygen, and
if it was for me, I would ask you to please let me pay at
least the cost, because if not I would not want to bother
you FOR LONG... So it would be BETTER if you would allow
Jack's wife to pay costs, because she might need many
treatments, and they would feel better if they pay costs...

- Ellis]


I just got back in town (Prescott AZ) from (parachute co)
were my son lives. on aug 4th my son was riding a friends
dirt bike (motor cycle) when he crashed so hard that he
tore his aorta, broke all the (r) side ribs etc etc.

The doctor said he had a 10% chance of making it through
the first week.  Well he did, and he is home now.

The reason I mention all this is that while they were doing
all the xrays and scans they  found a brain tumor that they
now think caused the accident and because of that I am taking
the chamber to Colorado for him to treat the tumor with.

So the chamber will be available soon in Colorado.  Please
tell Jack to call me to make arrangements and I may be able
to find them a place to stay.

Frank Lively ph#928-717-1087


[FIRST... I hope your son will be completely recovered
soon.  And I hope that the tumor is benign... MY SISTER had
a very similar experience... she lost conciousness while
driving a car, and crashed the car... not very serious
crash, but it turned out to be a benign tumor in her skull
that was putting pressure on her brain, so she lost
consciousness.

Well... they operated her and took out the tumor, which was
benign so she recovered 100%... So... don't lose HOPE...

I pray that your son will also recover 100% also...

And... you can't beat your offer to help... It is not so
important to be a millionaire... it is more important to have
good friends... and Frank Lively, you are a great friend... I
am really honored that you have been and still are subscribed
to Rejuvenation, because you are a truly great friend. Thanks
for always being there to help the people who need you... and
we all need you.  God Bless you, you are really a good man.

Tell your son I am praying for his full recovery, and I
have good connections with The Boss.  I know he will recover.
- Ellis]




--- whitleyjack <jaw.law@...> wrote:

> Hi Ellis,
>
> I recently joined the list. My wife has neuropathy.
> She's home now, after a 6 month stay in the
> hospital.  Most of the time she was in a ventilator
> which was keeping her alive in the Intensive
> Care Unit.  But she still has arm and hand tremors,
> slurred speech and blurred vision. She has no
> balance. In addition, her knees and legs have
> restricted motion.
>
> Unless she recovers dramatically by the end of the
> year, she'll lose her job with a large computer
> company that makes popular music devices.
>
> While her insurance company paid a huge amount to
> the hospital and doctors, they won't pay anything
> toward HBOT. This has been a big drain on our
> meager resources.
>
> We live in an apartment in Austin, Texas, so we can
> drive to Mexico in my van. I'm interested in finding
> a hospital or clinic in Mexico with an HBO chamber
> where she can receive lots of treatments at a
> significant discount to the treatment costs here in
> the US and where we can live inexpensively while
> doing it. We just can't afford US prices. She and I
> met in Mexico ten years ago while we were
> backpacking around, so we're comfortable living
> economically and among the people. We both speak the
> language, somewhat, and like being there.
>
> I love her very much, and I want to fight to keep
> her improving; she's 34 and too young to be in this
> condition for the rest of her life. I'll go wherever
> is necessary with what resources we have left to help
> her.
>
> Any ideas or suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack (Diego, when in Mexico)



> [Hello Jack (Diego...)
>
> I AGREE 100% with you that hyperbaric oxygen is
> indicated for your wife... I don't know why so many
> doctors don't seem to know this, but it has the
> potential to be excellent for her.  I'm not sure
> exactly how much it can help her, but I definitely
> think it is worth trying precisely because her
> problem is neurologic.  HBO therapy is amazing for
> neurological problems, and "neuropathy" is one of
> them.
>
> See the videos at Ocean HBOT if you have any DOUBT
> that HBOT is FANTASTIC for the NERVOUS SYSTEMd...
> Maybe you should ask your insurance company to take
> a look at these videos.  Since your wife is insured,
> it will cost the insurance company much LESS for her
> to recover with HBO than to be sick without it...
> and I think she would definitely benefit a lot!
>
> http://www.oceanhbo.com/
>
> If you can come to Mexico City, I can get you HBOT
> for much less than it costs anywhere else in Mexico,
> which means, about $30 per session...  or... my friend
> Frank Lively in the U.S. is probably closer to you
> than I am in Mexico City, and I'm sure he would be
> happy to help you, if he reads this...
>
> Unfortunately, the only doctors that would agree
> with you and me are the doctors who know how to SPELL
> hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which is not many... One
> of those who does believe in HBO therapy is one of my
> doctors in Mexico City, Dr. Gerardo Diaz Bautista, who
> has FIVE HBO chambers....
>
> So... if you can make it to Mexico City, I will be
> glad to help you and your wife.   If you come, write
> to me by e-amil to etoussier(at)yahoo.com  Subject:
> Rejuvenation Subscriber HBOT
>
> Other therapy that I think might help her is growth
> hormone, and EPO.  And of course she should keep her
> blood glucose levels under strict control, which might
> require insulin.  See my page, Sarcopenia:
>
> http://www.rajeun.net/sarcopenia.html
>
> - Ellis]

I went to see the doctor in a scheduled appointment to review
my transplanted eyebrows...  they are coming along beautifully,
and nobody can tell that they were transplanted...

I saw a small poster at the doctor's office, that they whiten
your teeth... So... I said to myself, why not?

So I passed with a dentist to take a look at my teeth...

The dentist took a look and then said that I should first go to
a periodontist, because I have gingivitis... and if I don't take
care of that first, there is no reason to whiten the teeth
because they are going to fall out!

What?!!!  I have gingivitis?!!

So... She referred me to a good periodontist... so I went to
a periodontist.

This is the first time in my life that I visit a periodontist...
in fact I didn't even know what a periodontist IS... he is a specialist in
GUMS...

This particular periodontist graduated from Columbia University,
(an excellent university in New York City...) which is good
because I like doctors who have studied in other countries...
usually the U.S.A. which is next door and has good universities...
I feel doctors who take the time and trouble to study abroad
are interested in being good doctors... the best... so I felt
good about his credentials.

Anyways... they took X-Rays of my mouth...

It turns out that I have LOST a lot of BONE, and my gums are a
breeding ground for bone eating bacteria.

I had nerves removed from some molars many years ago, so these
teeth have no sensitivity to pain, so I did not FEEL any pain
while the tooth was being attacked by cavity and bacteria.

Now the molars are almost floating... they are holding on to a
tiny bit of bone, and the roots are mostly without support.

According to the doctor, it is not a question of whether or not
I will lose some teeth, but just WHEN will I lose these teeth?

I have one molar that has a big cavity and very little bone
holding it in place, so take your pick, something is going to
fail.  I didn't feel any pain, because the nerves were removed
from this molar many years ago.  You MUST get rid of the cavity,
or else it will spread to other teeth and you lose them too.

But to get rid of the cavity, the doctor has to remove some of
the good tooth too, and it's just about all gone.

So... FIRST... he cleaned out my gums to eliminate the
bacteria... he is going to try to prolong the day that my molars
will fall out for as long as he can.  He showed me on the x-ray
that some molars are barely being held in by a bit of root...

He can do bone transplants or stimulate the bone to grow but that
is a long procedure... first they do whatever he has to do, and
then there is about one year wait before he can go on with
step 2... if the molar hasn't fallen out in the meantime.

It isn't the end of the world, but I am sorry that I didn't know
this was happening until it is pretty late in the game.  I was
going to another dentist, and he had given me some medicine for
my gums, but he didn't send me to a periodontist.  If I had not
gone to my plastic surgeon's office to get my eyebrows photographed
and inspected, and then sat down at another dentist's chair to
get my teeth whitened I would not have learned about periodontists
and gingivitis, etc.

Initial cost for Step 1 (clean the gums to slow the advance of
the problem as much as possible) is about $500.  I had that done
and now the next step is just wait until I have a problem...

The dentist doesn't want to do any complicated surgery because he
says I have lost too much bone... he does not have much hope for
success since there is so much bone missing.  He wants to stop
the bone loss, and wait until I complain that the molar is
loose, and then we will study what the options are.

A tooth implant is possible in the bottom molars, where I still
have enough bone, but not in the top molars... maybe the top molar
can be tied to the surrounding teeth to steady it, but we'll
wait for that to happen because when it does, that will create
another problem, because then food particles will get stuck
there and cause cavities...

So... Live and learn...

I am now advising YOU that you should go get YOUR GUMS checked by
your dentist.  Bone loss can be spotted easily with an x-ray,
and your gums should look pink and pretty, not red or violet-blue,
as some of mine does.  It might help to save your teeth, which
are important for your good health.

Plus, you really don't want an infection in your mouth that can
spread to other places in your body.

See more information and diagrams about gingivitis and periodontitis
in the Merck manual online, here:

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec08/ch115/ch115c.html

and this one which is called "From Gingivitis to Periodontitis"

http://www.qualitydentistry.com/dental/periodontal/perio/

From looking at those pictures, I have moderate gingivitis to
moderate periodontitis, but I think it is not quite as bad as
the worst cases shown here.

Yahoo has erased a lot of posts.

- Ellis

Hi Ellis,

I recently joined the list. My wife has neuropathy.  She's home
now, after a 6 month stay in the hospital.  Most of the time she
was in a ventilator which was keeping her alive in the Intensive
Care Unit.  But she still has arm and hand tremors, slurred speech
and blurred vision. She has no balance. In addition, her knees and
legs have restricted motion.

Unless she recovers dramatically by the end of the year, she'll
lose her job with a large computer company that makes popular
music devices.

While her insurance company paid a huge amount to the hospital and
doctors, they won't pay anything toward HBOT. This has been a big
drain on our meager resources.

We live in an apartment in Austin, Texas, so we can drive to Mexico
in my van. I'm interested in finding a hospital or clinic in Mexico
with an HBO chamber where she can receive lots of treatments at a
significant discount to the treatment costs here in the US and where
we can live inexpensively while doing it. We just can't afford US
prices. She and I met in Mexico ten years ago while we were
backpacking around, so we're comfortable living economically and
among the people. We both speak the language, somewhat, and
like being there.

I love her very much, and I want to fight to keep her improving;
she's 34 and too young to be in this condition for the rest of her
life. I'll go wherever is necessary with what resources we have left
to help her.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks,

Jack (Diego, when in Mexico)



[Hello Jack (Diego...)

I AGREE 100% with you that hyperbaric oxygen is indicated for
your wife... I don't know why so many doctors don't seem to know
this, but it has the potential to be excellent for her.
I'm not sure exactly how much it can help her, but I definitely
think it is worth trying precisely because her problem
is neurologic.  HBO therapy is amazing for neurological
problems, and "neuropathy" is one of them.

See the videos at Ocean HBOT if you have any DOUBT that HBOT
is FANTASTIC for the NERVOUS SYSTEMd... Maybe you should ask
your insurance company to take a look at these videos.  Since
your wife is insured, it will cost the insurance company much
LESS for her to recover with HBO than to be sick without it...
and I think she would definitely benefit a lot!

http://www.oceanhbo.com/

If you can come to Mexico City, I can get you HBOT for much
less than it costs anywhere else in Mexico, which means,
about $30 per session...  or... my friend Frank Lively in the
U.S. is probably closer to you than I am in Mexico City, and I'm
sure he would be happy to help you, if he reads this...

Unfortunately, the only doctors that would agree with you
and me are the doctors who know how to SPELL hyperbaric oxygen
therapy, which is not many... One of those who does believe
in HBO therapy is one of my doctors in Mexico City, Dr.
Gerardo Diaz Bautista, who has FIVE HBO chambers....

So... if you can make it to Mexico City, I will be glad to help
you and your wife.   If you come, write to me by e-amil to
etoussier(at)yahoo.com  Subject: Rejuvenation Subscriber HBOT

Other therapy that I think might help her is growth hormone, and
EPO.  And of course she should keep her blood glucose levels
under strict control, which might require insulin.  See my
page, Sarcopenia:

http://www.rajeun.net/sarcopenia.html

- Ellis]

Thanks for sending this, Phil... However... I remember there
was a long-lasting growth hormone that lasted about 30 days,
a few years ago... one person who used it wrote to Rejuvenation
and told us that it is injected with VERY THICK needles (instead
of the great 31 gauge needle us daily-HGH junkies have to use...)
and IT HURT.

Quite frankly, I am a coward, and I hate PAIN.  I much prefer
"no pain" every day than pain once a month... I don't know if
this 10-day HGH would be painful... or more expensive than the
HGH we have now... but I would not take it if it is more
painful, or if it is more expensive.

In any case, thanks for sending us this news report.  Ellis


================================


Long-lasting growth hormone is developed

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-
20070906-13114700-bc-britain-hormone.xml

SHEFFIELD, England, Sept. 6 (UPI) -- British researchers have
developed a long-acting growth hormone that reduces the need for
daily therapy treatments.

Most hormones and cytokines used today have a short life, requiring
frequent therapeutic injections. But the new technology developed at
the University of Sheffield means scientists and clinicians will be
able to generate effective, long-acting hormones that promote growth
during a minimum 10-day period with one injection.

The researchers said the technology might also be used to treat
inflammatory diseases such as multiple sclerosis, cancer and
metabolic maladies.

However, the scientists cautioned the research is only in its early
stages and any drugs resulting from the study are several years away
from approval.

The research is detailed in the journal Nature Medicine.

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