C.Marley wrote:

>Ellis: {Hello Dr. Marley. I never said that anybody should
>FLOOD their body with insulin. I, and everybody, should use
>THE RIGHT DOSE of insulin, AT THE RIGHT TIME, in order to
>keep blood glucose near 85 or to bring it down as fast
>as possible if it is higher than 100, so that it doesn't
>cause sugar-damage...
>
>

Dr. Marley: You are missing the point. People with insulin
resistant diabetes are ALREADY flooding their bodies with insulin.
Adding more insulin only adds insult to injury.

Ellis: {I am not missing the point. "According to Ellis" people
who are insulin resistant also respond to injected insulin...
I have seen it, with persons who are very insulin resistant,
and inject a small dose of Humalog... maybe they don't respond
as much as people who are not insulin resistant... but they
respond...

The insulin floating about in their body is perhaps damaged
or dirty... or who knows what is wrong with it... but it
doesn't work to lower their blood glucose...

But when these persons inject insulin, it DOES bring their
blood glucose down. I have seen it. I don't believe the
doctors or the books: I believe the glucose meter. Their
blood glucose goes down, in spite of what doctors or books
might say. Try it and see.

And the important point is that they have to lower their
blood glucose and not allow it to get high at all, or else
their pancreas stays on the OPEN FAUCET position because
blood glucose is high... so the pancreas tries to bring
down blood glucose and eventually burns out more and more
beta cells...

Besides, they should use metformin which lowers insulin
resistance, AND ALSO use injected insulin to lower
blood glucose.

- Ellis}


Dr. Marley: So called "sugar damage" is not the problem it
was once thought to be.


Ellis: {So then please tell us what is the real problem...

HbA1c is a measure of how much glucose is sticking to the
hemoglobin in red blood cells. It gives us an idea of
what the average blood glucose was in the previous 2 or
3 months...

But it also gives us an idea of how much blood glucose is
sticking to OTHER tissues of the body, ie, the higher the
HbA1c, the more glucose is probably sticking to NERVES and
KIDNEYS, and EYES, and CIRCULATORY SYSTEM.

We KNOW that persons with high blood glucose have more
damage to the NERVOUS SYSTEM and the KIDNEYS and EYES...
and they have more HEART ATTACKS and STROKE, and they
also have less chance of survival if they have CANCER...

SO if "sugar damage" is NOT the problem it was once thought
to be, then I would like to know why persons with HIGH
HB-A1c have more neuropathy, and more kidney problems,
and more eye problems, and more heart attacks and strokes,
than persons with HB-A1c much lower.

Perhaps it is just COINCIDENCE that high blood glucose
is associated with more neuropathy, more Alzheimer's,
more heart attack, more cancer, more kidney disease, etc.?

The F.D.A. is studying restricting the use of... SALT...

That's right. It has not occurred to the FDA to restrict
the use of SUGAR in food made and sold to the public.

They also think that SUGAR DAMAGE is not the problem it
was once thought to be. - Ellis}



Insulin itself seems to be the problem in hyperinsulinemic
Type 2 diabetes.

Despite the evident faith you have in him, Dr. Bernstein is
not the last word in Diabetes research!

{No, he is not the LAST WORD in diabetes research...

He is THE FIRST WORD in diabetes research...

He was the FIRST to say that a HIGH CARBOHYDRATE DIET is
NOT the CORRECT DIET for diabetics...

He was the FIRST to say that diabetics can control blood
glucose.

He was the FIRST to say that diabetics should keep their
blood glucose at the same levels as NON-DIABETICS... that
means about 83 mg/dl all day, before and during and after
eating...

He is also probably the FIRST diabetic type I to live 60
years with diabetes type I, which is no small feat considering
that the first 35 years of his diabetes he had to SUFFER
THROUGH the BAD ADVICE of the doctors of the American
Diabetes Association...

The next 35 years he had to FIGHT THE BAD ADVICE of the
American Diabetes Association (A.D.A.) at every turn he made...

The A.D.A. OPPOSED that diabetics should BE ALLOWED TO OWN
BLOOD GLUCOSE METERS...

The A.D.A. continues to say that even if diabetics type II
are allowed to BUY a blood glucose meter, they don't really
need to USE THEM, since they can get by without any problem
if they measure their blood glucose ONCE every month (before
they visit their doctor, of course) and that ONCE is BEFORE
EATING BREAKFAST, which is not very clever...

And the A.D.A. says it is not necessary for diabetics II
to measure glucose before and after every meal. A

And the A.D.A. says that an HbA1c of 7.0 (blood glucose about 170 mg/dl) is
acceptable. Etc, etc. etc.

So... First word in diabetes research is good enough for me.
- Ellis]



And it is definitely NOT a good idea for people with normal
glucose metabolism to be injecting themselves with insulin!

C. Marley, M.D.

{Why not? What is wrong with keeping our blood glucose
controlled BEFORE we become diabetics?

I am not a diabetic and I have normal glucose metabolism
so you are directing your criticism to me... So I would
like to know WHY SHOULD I NOT BE INJECTING MYSELF with
insulin... ?

If you tell me that I might get a terrible hypoglycemia...
I answer that I have never gotten hypoglycemia in 7 years,
after 14,000 doses of insulin.

If you tell me that I might get brain damage...
I answer that I don't think I have gotten brain damage
yet.

If you tell me that my pancreas will stop producing insulin...
I answer that my pancreas is producing insulin better than
ever... I know this because if I don't inject insulin and I
do drink a large glass of orange juice, my blood glucose goes
UP 10 160 in 35 minutes, and then it goes down to below 120
(and later, down below 100) in 70 minutes.

If you tell me that I will become insulin resistant....
I answer that my blood insulin measured before breakfast
after one day of not injecting insulin is off the charts,
below 3, which is "like an athlete" and I am not an athlete.
3 means I am not insulin resistant, and less than three also
means I am not insulin resistant... and 25 is the end of the
chart that means somebody is insulin resistant, so I am at
the extreme opposite end of the chart. So after 14,000
shots of insulin, I am not insulin resistant.

If you tell me that I will get diabetes...
I answer that that is precisely why I take insulin, so that
I will get diabetes many years later than I should have
become diabetic, which will be about age 60 to 65, which is
right about NOW... I definitely am NOT a diabetic yet, after
14,000 shots of insulin.

If you tell me that I will cause insulin resistance...
I answer that I have taken 14,000 doses of insulin in the
last 7 years, and I have not become insulin resistant.

So... please give me some other reasons why I should not use
insulin, since I am not a diabetic.

Diabetics should use INSULIN, "according to Ellis". If they
use METFORMIN and NOT insulin, then they might get lower
blood glucose in the morning... but THIS IS NOT THE MEASURE
THAT THEY ARE BEATING THEIR DIABETES... they also have to
have blood glucose controlled AFTER breakfast, lunch, and
dinner...

And in any case, EVEN IF their blood glucose is controlled,
their diabetes is advancing. They are avoiding the SIDE
EFFECTS caused by diabetes, and this is a good thing, but
IT COULD BE BETTER... and it is still very serious...

Their diabetes is ADVANCING because their pancreas is still
producing insulin which is wearing it out... so maybe 5 or
10 or 20 or 30 years later but surely they will be diabetics
type 1... and then they are in much greater trouble than if
they could have kept their diabetes as diabetes type 2...

They could have avoided this if they had used INSULIN and
taken the burden of producing insulin off of their pancreas...

I am not a doctor, so don't listen to me. But Dr. Bernstein
is a doctor, and he says the same thing.

Thanks for writing.

- Ellis}