>Ellis: I hope you are doing well, guess you were on vacation for a few weeks.

Ellis: [Hello John... I was, and still am, in a strange mood. But I shouldn't
forget Rejuvenation, and I always come back. - Ellis]

>My question is regarding how they actually produce the HGH. My real
concern is that it is created using genetically modified mammal cells.

[I have never actually SEEN how they produce growth hormone, but I have spoken
to somebody who worked at Serono, who I think knows how they produce it, and the
"mammalian cells" are not "modified"... they are somehow kept alive and
reproducing themselves... I imagine they are in a dish, with the nutrients and
in the atmosphere they need to stay alive.

They were taken, if I remember correctly, from the gut of a Golden Hamster, or
similar... many moons ago... - Ellis]


>The whole genetic changing thing overall bothers me.


Ellis: [They are not "changing" anything... it is "genetic engineering" which
means that they first remove the DNA from the cells that are kept alive
reproducing themselves, and they plug in the DNA of growth hormone or insulin or
EPO or whatever they are trying to duplicate, into the cell.

The cell then duplicates itself according to the new program it has, as growth
hormone or insulin, etc. instead of as an amoeba, or e. coli, or the gut of a
Golden Hamster, or whatever...

I understand that it might bother you that perhaps they have been cruel to a
Golden Hamster... on the other hand that Golden Hamster gut has probably allowed
little children who would have been midgets to grow taller and lead a normal
life, and it has allowed thousands of persons who have growth hormone deficiency
to lead a healthier life, including me... etc.

It is one of the most amazing medical miracles in the history of medicine that
today we have an almost unlimited supply of hormones which never could have been
obtained before, or were extremely scarce. These hormones keep hundreds of
millions of people alive (eg., insulin, EPO) or in better health. It wasn't a
possibility 100 years ago... not even 30 years ago... There was insulin from
cows and pigs, but it was never as good as the exact copy of human insulin that
diabetics are able to use today.

And as for the Golden Hamster, or the amoeba whose life is altered... I agree it
is unfair, but it is not very different than the mice that they use to develop
or test different medicines, or the horses that are kept to get snake venom
antidote, or the chicken or the fish or the cow who gives up its life to give us
food... It's unfair, but it's The Law of the Jungle. I sincerely want to thank
those animals that make it possible for me to live healthier by giving up their
life. - Ellis]



>I know you use several brands that you get in Mexico and I am curious what the
differences are in them and your preference.


Ellis: [My preference is for the LEAST COSTLY high quality and authentic HGH.
Humatrope went up in price about 10% today, in Mexico... and I expect the price
of Saizen and Serostim will go up soon too, because it is made in Italy which
has the Euro which was $1.20 dollar per 1 Euro a year ago, and today is $1.50
dollars per Euro... that is 25% more dollars measured in Euros, or 20% less
dollars measured in dollars... or whatever it is...

So... for the moment, my preference is for Saizen or Serostim, which are less
expensive than Humatrope. There is no qualitative difference. They are both
PERFECT quality. And there are other good brands that are also PERFECT, but
they are more expensive than Humatrope... - Ellis]


>I believe that originally HGH was taken from cadavers,(which I would never even
consider).

Ellis: [Nobody even considers it... nowhere in the world... There is no cadaver
derived HGH sold anywhere in the world... In the first place, it would cost much
more to get it from cadavers than to "harvest it" in a lab... It just isn't
commercial... Plus the fact that it is forbidden by law... but even if it could
be obtained, it would necessarily be much more expensive than the growth hormone
that is made in a laboratory.

However... I have seen growth hormone from ex-Communist countries which says it
is growth hormone mixed with various other hormones, for example HUMAN DERIVED
thymus... But I wouldn't use it, so I don't sell them either... I suggest you
would avoid that like the plague that perhaps it carries. - Ellis]


>I love your teachings and look forward to your information on all of
this.

JOHN

Ellis: [Thanks for the nice words... I love to teach what I learn, but I never
forget that I learned it here on Rejuvenation, from you. And I'm onto something
else that might be very good too, coming soon. - Ellis]