--- In Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com, "fgddd" <fgddd@...> wrote:
>
> comments below...
>
> --- In Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com, Randy Ice wrote:
>
> > Hi Ellis:
> >
> > Here is the kind of continuing nonsensical propaganda being
> > thrown out at MD's by our so called "advanced" medical care system
> > here in the US! HGH hasn't cost "$1000 a month" for over 10 years,
> > but that number is constantly bandied about to scare folks away
> > from it.
> >
> > Enlightenment will come very SLOWLY here in "the land of the
free!"
> >
> > Randy Ice P.T., C.C.S.
> > Vintage Medical Group
> > Temecula,Calif
> > www.lookfeelyoung.com
> >
> > Click here to go directly to the article:
> http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?channelid=CHAN-
> 100000&storyid=15334
> > (AOL users <A
> HREF="http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?
> channelid=CHAN-100000&storyid=15334">click here</A>.)
> >
> >
> > [Hello Randy... Whooops! So then I guess it isn't true that
> > I am aging as slowly as I thought... - Ellis]
>
>
> Isn't it amazing, they have now gone from the original compilation
> of the 31 studies totaling 221 subjects to 500.
>
> I sincerely believe that this type of misinformation is put out by
> the insurance companies.
>
> fgddd
>
>
>
> [I don't know who likes to put out this misinformation, but it
> is sad that nobody takes leadership to gather and show the
> opposite, which I think is the truth: that thousands of people
> are using growth hormones and other hormones and getting
> excellent results, and no side effects of any kind much less
> CANCER, ACROMEGALIA, DIABETES, and all the other side effects
> they think we might get.
>
> Insurance companies should actually be in favor of HGH and
> other hormones because I think they will cause fewer or delayed
> claims for life insurance, and fewer and less costly claims for
> major medical expenses.
>
> But where are the statistics of the hundreds of thousands of
> persons who have used HGH for many years now, which I think
> would show a DECREASE in the incidence of cancer, and maybe
> a DECREASE in the incidence of diabetes? (there is no reason
> that I can think of that HGH, itself, should decrease the
> incidence of diabetes... nor does it increase it... but I think
> people who are taking HGH might also be interested in eating
> correctly...)
>
> In 8 years as moderator of Rejuvenation, and thousands of posts
> and thousands of persons who have reported using HGH for several
> years, there has only been ONE PERSON who blamed getting cancer
> because he said he had received HGH as a child (that was somebody
> who had HGH deficiency, and who had NOT USED HGH for 6 years
> prior to his discovery of cancer in his body.... so I argued that
> perhaps he got cancer BECAUSE HE HAD NOT used HGH for several
> years.)
>
> Where is the American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine? Where is
> Life Extension Foundation?
>
> Where is Ellis Toussier? Here I am. Why don't we try to
> gather some statistics here? I'll see what I can do... Maybe
> there is a survey software or a database that I can set up.
>
> - Ellis]


There are lots of studies out there. I just began using HGH this
past month, but before I did I researched all the literature I could
find. Lots and lots of pros and cons. It seemed to me that the
cons were those MD's who usually stressed there should be more
studies done.


[The "cons" are written by doctors who DO NOT use and have never
used growth hormone, and who of course DO NOT and never have
prescribed it to their patients, so they have never really
experienced HGH.

Thomas Perls, who unfortunately is also a doctor, says that growth
hormone causes acromegalia, cancer, diabetes, etc. and other side
effects including that it PROBABLY SHORTENS LIFESPAN... I don't know
why he is so against us using HGH if WE THINK it is doing good for
our body, but he is on the warpath... - Ellis]

Problems is that most of the pros seem to be sponored by the drug
companies, which is usually true in most medical cases,
consequently these studies do not portray an ethical non-bias
results.

The FDA has even issued statements such as "more research
needs to be done in this field." Also many of the studies use far
higher HGH doses than would normally be recommended and while the
results are very positive, the average person using HGH would take
much longer to see such results because of lower prescribed doses by
legitmate MD's.

Remember we are "what have you done for me today society."

Lastly, I think there also is a lot of misinformation put out by
those in the anti-aging business. I'm talking about those who
really charge outrageous fees for consultation and blood test and
then charge equally outrageous sums for the HGH.

The Pharmaceuticals are equally responsible for this high cost.

[High cost does not make it a scam. Cost has nothing to do
with whether it is true that it is good for our body, or if
it is true that it causes acromegalia, etc. - Ellis]


This is not a medicine that was 20 years in the making with 4 phase
testing. This is a readily avaible medicine, and I stress medicine,
because that is what it is to those who truly need it.

[This is a medical miracle. Just think of how incredible it
is that SOMEBODY EVEN THOUGHT of taking a tiny one cell animal,
removing the DNA, replacing the DNA with the DNA of human
growth hormone, or insulin, or EPO, etc.. and coming out with
a one cell animal that "thinks" it is growth hormone and then
duplicates as growth hormone. This is incredible. It was a
cross of David Copperfield and Louis Pasteur that came up with
something so unbelievable as this, which has now made it possible
for ME to be able to INJECT REAL AUTHENTIC HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE.

Cleopatra would have given up her slave's arm and a leg if she
could have had authentic growth hormone and been able to stay
young and beautiful, as I am doing without having to pay anybody's
arm and a leg. If you think about it like this, growth
hormone is really very cheap.

So I am not against the pharmaceuticals making a bundle of
profit for this amazing product, although I do wish that they
would have a little more HEART, which is lacking at the top.

But A LACK OF HEART is something that many DOCTORS are also
guilty of. In any case, that the pharmaceuticals and doctors
are making a big profit is not a good reason for Thomas Perls
to be against us using HGH.

It is sad that this is the way economics works, but this is how
it works in the U.S.A. and in Mexico and England, and also in
China or Russia or Cuba too: Money talks...

So you better have money to pay for your growth hormone if you
want to take growth hormone, because you won't convince the
Government of any country to hand out growth hormone to everybody
who wants to AVOID AGING.

But... you can manufacture growth hormone in your own body, if
you know how to do it... but only I think I know how to do it,
and I haven't told anybody how to do it... yet. - Ellis]




Every doctortorial student understands the "review of literature" of
his subject or topic. Using this system would help us all understand
all of the real and imagined benefits of HGH and how it could or
would be of benefit to all of us.

FGDDD


[The problem is that it isn't a contest to see which side of the
argument can write more baloney or misinformation, count how many
pros and how many cons, and then whoever has more, wins.

I am amazed and saddened that there are so many doctors and
politicians that are AGAINST the use of hormones that I know are
GOOD FOR MY BODY, because I have had the good fortune to be able
to buy them without controversy, and secondly because I have been
able to afford them.

But I am also AFRAID that the doctors and politicians who have
never USED growth hormone themselves want to limit OUR use of
growth hormone. And I think they are going to succeed to limit
MY use of growth hormone and EPO and testosterone, eventually,
maybe even soon....

It hasn't happened yet, but I am certain it will happen eventually.

At that point, growth hormone and EPO will become as illegal as
marijuana, or GHB, which were legal at some point in history,
and then became illegal in the U.S.A. which later pressured the
world to make it illegal everywhere... whether right or wrong,
when it is illegal you lose sight of whether or not it has any
medical uses which are good for anybody, for example cancer
patients, or just plain OLD MEN AND WOMEN like you or me. Why
cancer patients should have to buy marijuana or morphine on the
black market to ease their pain, if that is what it does and
that is what they want, is beyond me. But that is how it is.

- Ellis]