I post most of my correspondence with Randy, together with
Yahoo's "rejection" letter which is an insult to me and to
this forum, but that is how it is. Randy's post is below.

I have written to Yahoo and offered to pay to have it hosted
without advertisements and without any time pressure on me, but
... NO ANSWER... it is like writing to a wall. - Ellis

In a message dated 6/29/2006 4:17:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,
etoussier@... writes:

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:17:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ellis Toussier etoussier@...
Subject: Re: Message to Rejuvenation group not approved
To: BikeIce

Hello Randy,

The problem is that I have only sent about ONE post in
the past 2 weeks, because I have been travelling, and I
haven't even had time to sit in front of a computer. I'm
sorry about this, and it is an interesting post which I
would like to send to everybody.

Please send it again to Rejuvenation, because if I
send it it will come out with MY name instead of yours,
for sending it. So please send it, and I will be on the
look out for it.

Thanks and again, sorry... I really have to get the forum
out of Yahoo groups, I don't want free hosting and all the
ads that come with it... but I am going to be TRAVELLING much
of the time for the next three weeks... this is the first
e-mail I opened today, and it is already 6 PM.

Ellis


--- BikeIce wrote:

> This was kicked back AGAIN by yahoogroups.
> Nothing I send ever seems to get to you.
>
> Randy

Believe me, Randy, I admire you and I love your posts.
I would never have "not approved, or rejected" your
message. This is Yahoo's way of pressuring me to send off
all the posts right away, but that was not a requirement
when I started this forum in One Group seven years ago, and
I can't do it without lowering the quality of Rejuvenation,
which I don't want to do.

Part of the problem of getting OFF Yahoo is that I can't
transfer the Archives, which are 10,000 posts that are
priceless, and I am afraid that they would get erased by
Yahoo if I abandon the forum.

more...


> > Date: 29 Jun 2006 19:13:04 -0000
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> To: bikeice
> Subject: Message to Rejuvenation group not approved
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Your message to the Rejuvenation group was not approved.
> The owner of the group controls the content posted to it
> and has the right to approve or reject messages accordingly.
>
> In this case, your message was automatically rejected
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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:07:20 EDT
To: rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com
From: bikeice
Subject: [Rejuvenation] Diabetes, testosterone,
thyroid & HGH


From: BikeIce@...
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:59:04 EDT
Subject: Re: [Rejuvenation] Diabetes, testosterone,
thyroid & HGH

Hi Ellis:

It is no surprise that Steve's insulin needs and blood
sugar came down with the addition of testosterone. This is
another benefit of testosterone..........it sensitizes one's
own insulin, making it work better. I believe it is
another diabetes prevention tool that is not well known
outside of anti-aging, hormone replacement circles.

Many presentations have been made at the annual
A4M meetings documenting how testosterone benefits Type
II diabetics, so I am not surprised to hear it also benefits
Type 1 diabetics.

Both types of diabetics universally with advancing age have
accelerated loss of anabolic hormones including DHEA,
testosterone and HGH. It would seem DHEA and testosterone
replacement for ALL diabetics is a no-brainer, and carefully
monitored HGH would be of additional benefit. The only known
contra-indication to HGH in diabetes is in those with diabetic
retinopathy.

By the way, another interesting fact.............
Dr Broda Barnes years ago began treating hypothyroid men and
women with dessicated thyroid, and after many years or practice,
retrospectively observed that every one of his diabetic patients
NEVER suffered one diabetic complication! ( no amputations, no
renal failure, no blindness, no heart disease nor strokes!)

I know if I had Type I or Type II diabetes, I would be taking all
of the above! Actually, I do take three of the four for prevention
purposes!!

Randy
Vintage Medical Group
Temecula, Calif.
(951) 676-3748


[This is EXTREMELY interesting, but also logical. One of the
benefits of testosterone is that it increases muscle and also
decreases body fat, and this seems to be related to insulin
sensitivity. I also use HGH, Testosterone, and DHEA, and
insulin.

Using insulin correctly, by the way, should also lower insulin
sensitivity because it results in production of protein, and
also lower high blood glucose... And the high levels, when they
occur, are lowered faster.

So I don't listen when doctors warn me that using insulin is bad
for me because insulin levels go UP with age... So what?

Injecting 1 or 2 or 3 iu of insulin 4 or 5 times a day doesn't
make my insulin levels go UP except at that moment when they
are good for me.

Are you certain there is really a contra-indication to HGH for
diabetics with retinopathy? I don't see why HGH would make it
worse... I think there are doctors with anti-HGH sentiments (like
Jay Olshansky and Thomas Perls, for example) that are always
ready to blame HGH for everything bad that they can... but in
diabetes, it is very easy to blame a steadily worsening condition
to whatever also happens to be handy, and mother's milk or HGH
could both get blamed, but HGH always gets the blame.

Please tell me if you have personal experience with HGH and
retinopathy with your patients. I can believe Randy, I don't
believe negative reports vs. HGH. I have read some written
reports that even I can tell are slanted, or mistaken. (for
example, using insulin on rats... dose is incorrect or there is
no monitoring of glucose levels... the rats die, and insulin is
blamed, instead of the researcher's stupidity.)

Thanks for this post. Three stars for this post. - Ellis