[Didn't you just say, the sentence before: "I am a believer in high
fibre, "LOW SUGAR" and low fat diet..." ? What's with the "low
sugar" part? You are making the same mistake I made for 56 years,
to think that "high fibre bread" and "whole wheat pasta" and
"potatoes" are LOW SUGAR]

Knackebrod (rye crisp bread) 13g:
Total Carbohydrate: 9g
Dietary Fiber: 2g
Sugar: 0g

Whole Wheat Pasta 56g: 39, 5, 1

Oatmeal 40g: 27, 4, 1

Not a lot of sugar there.

[NOT A LOT OF SUGAR??? Says who? Are you telling me you
eat ONE slice of Knackebrod, or 56 grams of Whole Wheat Pasta,
or 40 grams of Oatmeal? First of all, I don't believe you
if you say that's all you eat. Second of all, if that is all
you eat, it is too much anyways... 20 grams of carbohydrates
will put MY blood glucose up to 120... 40 grams of carbohydrates
will put MY blood glucose up to 140... 60 grams of carbohydrates
will put my blood glucose above 150, easily. And ONE PLATE
of spaghetti, which is how much I used to eat when I was not
very hungry is about 200 grams of spaghetti, so that is about
150 grams of carbohydrates. GOOD LUCK!

I know it is DELICIOUS, and I know you don't FEEL BAD after
you eat a plate of spaghetti, in fact you feel very good. But
check your glucose levels and see what is your reaction... At
age 33, you might still have a level response... (see my page:
http://www.rajeun.net/gtt.html ) but I have a bell shaped
response, ie, my glucose shoots up to 150 or 160 or 170 and
then it takes about 2 hours to come down below 100 or 110...
so I can't take the luxury of burning my beta cells anymore...

- Ellis]



[Who made you "a believer" in high fibre, low sugar, low fat diet? ]

Experience for me.

[POTATOES AND SPAGHETTI AND BREAKFAST CEREAL AND BREAD
IS "GOOD," then the resulting blood glucose levels must also be
"good". ]

It all depends on what you buy. I rarely eat wheat bread, it's mostly
just dark rye for me. Cereals, there are only a few that qualify as high
fibre, rest of them have minimal fibre and lots of sugar despite being
labeled "healthy".

[I ask you to PLEASE test yourself with a glucose meter after you
eat the foods you say are good for you]

I think the term healthy is different to you and I. I don't have
diabetes like you do and I need to maintain healthy glucose levels
because of high levels of activity. I cannot survive without
carbohydrates and they don't have negative effects on my health; no
diabetes, no obesity.

[Yessir, I sure do! - Ellis]

LOL. Maybe things really are that different with diabetics. That still
doesn't make the statement that carbohydrates are bad true for healthy
people with no special circumstances.

[BREADS (any kind, white, black, whole wheat, etc.) has 50%]

Show me proof that knackebrod and whole rye breads are at 50%.

[Check your information above... You said 13 grams of Knockebrod
has 9 grams of carbohydrates... that is 9 / 13 = 69%... - Ellis}


[SWEETS and Breakfast CEREALS have about 75% carbs]

Again, there are so many different kinds of cereals that your assumption isn't
accurate at all. Lets look at the different
cereals I have (I don't ever eat the latter, it's for others):

Weetabix, 35g:
Total carbohydrates: 28g
Dietary Fibre: 4g, soluble 1g, insoluble 3g
Sugars: 2g


[That is 28 / 35 = 80% - Ellis]





Kellogg's Corn Pops, 31g:
Total carbohydrates: 28g
Dietary Fibre: less than 1g
Sugars: 14g


[That is 28 / 31 = 90 % - Ellis]




Are you telling me eating it doesn't matter which one you eat, that both are
"75% carbs"?


[Do you understand that the Carbohydrate Thermometer is only
7 GROUPS and that particular group is given the figure 75%
because it is EASY TO REMEMBER? I can't show the percentage
for EACH food, so I show a representative percentage for the
WHOLE GROUP. It is only a TOOL, so you can decide if you want
to eat it or not. I picked 75% because it is easy to remember,
since it is half way between 50% and 100%... And it is not
such a bad choice, as a rule of thumb... 69% and 80% are both
pretty close to 75%, close enough to make any error of
calculation not significant... even 90% is close enough,
because all I need is to make a DECISION: Yes or No? - Ellis]







[And by the way... You are DREAMING if you think you have a body
fat index of 11-12%...]

Is index somehow different from body fat percentage?

[No, they are both the same. - Ellis]


My Omron analyzer gave me 11.2% last night and the clips they use
at my gym gave me 12.4% last month (and I was getting 11.8-12.2 with
the Omron). My diet hasn't been very clean lately either, ice cream
and cookies, some fast food and buffet diners for lunch. I do want
to get back to under 10% again but that will be hard if I can't
control myself better.

[ So... if you are not a body builder, you are NOT doing so
well with your diet.]

I'm certainly not a bodybuilder but the way my body looks, how I feel
and what the BF results are with both the Omron and the clips I do have to
disagree with you.

[http://www.wvda.org/calcs/bmi.htm]

BMI is useless without knowing BF.

[BMI IS BF]

[Baloney. You've probably heard that all your life from "experts"
as I heard it too, so you believe it firmly, as I did too. Try
eating only chicken and vegetables and no potatoes or spaghetti or
bread or rice, etc. before a workout or games, and you will see
you lack absolutely nothing. Do it, then write to us and
tell us if it is true or false.]

No, once again it is a personal experience. Not enough carbs before
physical activity = nausea and lack of energy. I simply cannot run
or lift if I haven't loaded up on carbs before.

I now do limit carb intake at night before bedtime and eat only
meat/chicken/fish and vegetables for late dinner, then carbless protein shake
before bed. For breakfast a bowl of oatmeal,
sometimes with skim milk and sometimes with frozen berries, no sugar.

Protein shake or egg whites for protein. If I'm trying to lose fat I
do the same for brunch and eat late lunch, if not then just regular
lunch. So lots of carbs in the morning and decrease them the later
it gets.

[Three stars for this post, it looks like we are having a
good debate. - Ellis]

Thumbs up! ;)

- Sami

[Well, I wish you good luck. You are still young, so your
body can still take a beating and it will do things for you that
mine won't do for me...

I am NOT a diabetic, by the way. If I was diabetic, my glucose
would go UP and stay UP for many hours, and it doesn't... If
I get it up to 170 it will be below 105 long before 2 hours...
You can see in great detail how it went UP then it came DOWN,
35 minutes going UP to 160 and 35 minutes going DOWN to 120,
when I ended the measurements. That is definitely NOT a diabetic
response.

But I THINK as if I am a diabetic, to avoid becoming a diabetic
someday. I even inject INSULIN, to avoid becoming a diabetic
sooner than I would have expected to become one...

I point out that BOTH of my parents were diabetics... My mother
was diabetic type II since age about 60 or 65, and my father was
diabetic Type II sooner than that... he began to take insulin
shots about age 70 but that is because he went to the best diabetic
clinic in the world in those days, Joslin Clinic in Boston, which
was way advanced all others.

He would have probably managed his diabetes with diet and exercise,
if he had listened to his doctors in Mexico, like most doctors in
Mexico and the rest of the world still advise for most diabetics.

Look, I don't expect you to do what I do... Just don't decide that
I am sick and that is why I eat or do what I do, and that is why
you shouldn't do what I do... I am not sick, I am very healthy,
thank you. And I don't know what your Omron says, but my Tanita
would probably tell you differently, from what I know of my Tanita,
and from what I know of body fat, you are about 25%, certainly
not 12%, not even CLOSE. I hate to tell it to you like it is,
but that is like it is. In any case, good luck.

Great advances have been done to my new website, but still some
programming bugs need to be taken care of. Don't unsubscribe, its
coming soon... It will say it is about Diabetes, AntiAging,
Diet, and maybe also "Exercise"... You all know that is Show
Business... it will be about whatever I can make it. I hope to
have professional paid help, so if anybody wants to apply to
head the "Exercise" department, let me know...

- Ellis]

- Ellis]