I see your point. Do you know how long GH levels stay
up after an injection?

[I don't really know how long GH levels stay up after an
injection, because I have never done a blood test for
GH levels. IGF-1 levels stay up quite a bit, for at least
the next day, then I think they drop slowly... take a look
at this page and interpret it yourself... I took 5 blood
tests for IGF-1 in 30 days, and you can see how it dropped
pretty fast the first few days but it continued dropping
for 30 days... so that means not ALL of the IGF-1 dropped
like a stone right away...

http://www.rajeun.net/day30.html

I also know how long blood glucose levels stay up after
eating... this depends on 1) Your particular pancreas
2) How high you made blood glucose levels go... the higher
blood glucose goes UP, the longer it takes for it to
come down again...

See the graph I drew on this page, this is based on thousands
of observations of my own blood glucose levels:

http://www.rajeun.net/glucose.html

- Ellis]




How many injections do you use per day?

[I take 2 iu per day, every day, 7 days per week, 52 weeks
per year, in one shot per day... I have taken this much in
this dose per injection for several years, and I am happy
with the results... SOMETIMES I take 3 iu per day, also in
one shot... but this is not often... SOMETIMES I take 3 iu
per day for several weeks, in my mind it is to "repair" my
body a little better... but this is not often, either.

I HAVE A FEELING that 3 iu is BETTER than 2 iu, because I
think the best dose is probably THE HIGHEST dose that we can
take without causing ANY side effects in the long run... but
I don't know which this dose is, and I don't want to find out
on my own body that I was overdosing... but I don't think
3 iu is an overdose, nor do I think it will cause any bad
side effects... I don't take it because there are not many
people taking 3 iu per day... HOWEVER... I have heard that
Dr. Braverman in New York prescribes 3 iu per day to some of
his patients, and this is interesting news to me. But
another reason why I don't take 3 iu is also because of the
cost, so for the moment I still take 2 iu. - Ellis]

Also, you haven't posted for a while. Is everything OK?
Maybe I missed something but I don't recall anything about
you being off of the forum for a while.

[I do that sometimes... Soon I hope we will have a new forum,
and I will be back more often when I know that the posts are
not getting erased by Yahoo. The new website is up already
but it still is getting more software and it is being
configured to work exactly as I want it to... but it is
going to be a fact, soon, I hope.

Don't unsubscribe from Rejuvenation because I don't come every
day, because I will subscribe everybody to the new forum without
cost, for at least 2 years, maybe more... And once it is a
membership site, with some people paying, I will be able to
afford to get professional help, so I expect this new website
is really going to rock! As I said before, it will be about
Rejuvenation, Diabetes and Diet... (that's just "show
business..." Call it whatever you will, it is really about
staying healthy for a longer time, no matter how you look at
it...) - Ellis]

Regards, Chuck

--- CHUCK FRASHER <chuckfrasher@...> wrote:

> Ellis, it is generally accepted that insulin opposes
> growth hormone. I would think that taking GH on an
> empty stomach would raise IGF-1 levels more than
> taking it with food.
>
> [Hello Chuck... I know it is "generally accepted"
> that insulin opposes growth hormone... but you know
> that I don't care what is generally accepted... I
> think for myself and I might accept it, but in this
> case, I didn't accept it.
>
> "According to Ellis" what actually opposes growth
> hormone RELEASE is HIGH GLUCOSE LEVELS.
>
> So... high glucose levels cause increased insulin
> levels AND ALSO inhibit the RELEASE of growth hormone.
>
> It is not difficult for an observer to quickly
> decide that HIGH INSULIN is what caused inhibition of
> growth hormone... and it is not difficult for that
> observer to then write a study that gets printed, then
> it gets quoted and repeated in another report, until
> it becomes "generally accepted." But it still might
> be mistaken.
>
> In any case... if my explanation is correct, what is
> really important is that high glucose levels INHIBIT
> THE RELEASE of growth hormone, but it doesn't BLOCK
> THE ACTION OF GROWTH HORMONE that has already been
> released.
>
> So it doesn't matter at what time you INJECT growth
> hormone, although of course I suggest you should inject
> when GLUCOSE LEVELS ARE LOW.
>
> What happens if you inject growth hormone and then
> have breakfast and your glucose levels go UP ? If it
> is as is "generally accepted" then growth hormone does
> not work any more... If it works as I suggest, then no
> more growth hormone is released, but the growth hormone
> that has already been released continues to do its job.
>
> Since my observation is that growth hormone works on
> me no matter at what time of the day I inject it, I THINK
> my explanation is perhaps correct... but it doesn't
> really matter...
>
> Inject HGH whenever YOU think it is better...
> according to you, and according to me, we agree... THAT
> is a good time! - Ellis]
>
>
> --- Tom Pall <tpall@...> wrote:
>
> > I'd like to start taking HGH injections but I have
> a problem. I tend to work late and eat late and according
> to what I have read on different websites, I should not
> eat anything like carbs 3 hours before bedtime because
> insulin is an antagonist to HGH.
> >
> > [Insulin is not an antagonist to HGH... HGH is not
> > released when glucose levels are high, but nobody knows
> > that insulin is an antagonist to HGH... nor do we know
> > that high glucose levels will cancel out the good benefits
> > of HGH...
> >
> > Humans have been eating snacks at all times of the
> > day and night without regard to how much or when
> > HGH has been released in their body... maybe they inhibited
> > further release of HGH, but it didn't seem to cause any
> > other problem, or to obviate the benefits of HGH...
> >
> > Websites (like some doctors) say many things that
> > they don't really know to be true, but they think
> > are true...
> > they say it as if it is a fact, but it isn't always
> > correct. so...
> >
> > Don't believe anybody. Don't even believe me...
> > Only believe the Glucose meter.
> >
> > Take your HGH whenever you want to. Nobody in
> > more than 6 years of posting on Rejuvenation has ever
> > reported bad results from HGH no matter when they took
> > their shots... a few persons have reported that they
> > had problems to get to sleep if they took HGH at night,
> > for which reason (and others) I think the best time
> > to take HGH is in the early morning, when glucose levels
> > are lowest and I won't want to sleep for another
> > 12 hours anyways...
>
>
> > But I have taken HGH before lunch, after lunch,
> > during lunch, before and after exercise, and at
> > night before going to sleep... and I have never noticed
> > any problem at all, nor any special benefit for taking
> > it at one hour and not the other, nor have I ever
> > noticed any loss of benefits or loss of energy...
> > nothing. - Ellis]
> >
> >
> > I just can't do this. I get the munchies. One
> person tells me that he takes his HGH in the morning and
> > then goes and works out.
> >
> > I can potentially do this, but I've got to have my
> > coffee and some food in my stomach when I get up.
> >
> > Can I get by with black coffee and perhaps some
> > meat and cheese before going to work out?
> >
> > [Of course you can! You can also take your HGH at
> > anytime, before or after your cup of coffee... The
> > only HGH that I know does not work is the one that
> > you don't inject into your body... Just take it, it
> > isn't such a critical matter, it works at any time...
> >
> > Your only worry is: don't take too much. Take 1
> > to 3 iu... nobody knows what is the ideal dose, even
> > if they will tell you many things, they don't KNOW it,
> > because nobody knows it.
>
> > According to ME, the ideal dose is the HIGHEST
> > dose you can take in the LONG RUN WITHOUT GETTING ANY
> > SIDE EFFECTS... (but I don't know what that dose IS,
> > and I don't want to find out on my own body...)
> > According to many doctors, the best dose is the LEAST
> > DOSE that gives you the benefits that they want you to
> > get... According to IGF-1 tests, a few people report
> > carpal tunnel syndrome at IGF-1 above 1000... so stay
> > away from IGF-1 higher than 1000...
>
> > but what about 750 for a long time??? I DON'T
> > KNOW, because I don't know anybody who has stayed at
> > 750 for a long time... I have stayed at IGF-1 500 to
> > 550 for 6 years with many benefits and no side
> > effects, and I have gotten this level with 2 iu per day.
> >
> > But there is some evidence that IGF-1 creeps up...
> > so 2 iu per day ON ME might give me IGF-1 550, and
> > somebody who is starting only 400... So...play it by
> > ear... The only place you will hear opinions like these
> > are here, on Rejuvenation, so stay tuned for more...
> >
> > I am now PAYING a team of programmers to develop
> > the new membership website... Once I have it, I will
> > move everybody to it and
>
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