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How to counter the 'HGH is asking for diabetes' argument?   Message List  
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Re: How to counter the 'HGH is asking for diabetes' argument?

Ellis wrote:

I think only one person has written to say that they
discovered diabetes in him and asked if it might have been
caused by having taken growth hormone. Of course, it wasn't
because it takes many years of poor eating which causes high
blood glucose, which kills off beta cells to finally get to the
point where you are "officially" diabetic according to the
criteria of the American Diabetes Association... Besides, that
really is what some of the literature says, and you can't blame
her as a doctor if she believes what she thinks is credible
literature.

*** Ellis, while I agree that GH probably does not cause one to
develop Diabetes Mellitus, but a blood sugar stabilization over
the long-term, SYMPTOMS of Diabetes do not require years to develop.

For instance, external agents such as Solu-Medrol, Solu-Cortef, and
prednisone routinely cause a person's blood sugar to zoom into the
stratosphere in mere days. I have seen patients' BS go into the 400s
after Solu-Medrol many times. These people require large amounts of
insulin while on these steroid hormones.

[These are catabolics, that is, they tear down protein and make
glucose rise... that is what they are meant to do in the case of
an emergency.... Growth hormone does not do that, it is anabolic...
- Ellis]

Even though these people aren't 'officially' diabetic, the result is
the same. If it walks like a duck...

My point is that if any substance, GH included, makes a person's
Blood sugar remain elevated while being taken, that person has to be
treated like an 'official' diabetic b/c. For all practical puposes,
the result is the same. So periodic monitoring for an initial period
to determine one's response to GH is the answer in, In my humble opinion.


[Be my guest. I always recommend: "Donīt believe anybody...
Donīt even believe ME... Only believe the glucose meter." So
I am all for monitoring glucose to see what makes it go UP. - Ellis]

Having said that, I've taken 2 IUs of GH for a year and prednisone,
and my Blood sugar is routinely in the low 100s.

Mike, RN

[So... You agree with me, and you donīt agree with me because I
say it, but because you test yourself with a glucose meter!
Good for you!

Question: why do you take prednisone, which was described
by Elaine Johnston as "the pill from Hell"...? - Ellis]






Mon May 23, 2005 3:35 pm

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Hello Chuck, Thanks for sending us these three studies, below, all of which oppose the idea that growth hormone causes diabetes. To me, the biggest support...
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May 31, 2005
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Ellis, Metformin is definitely not sugar! I don't know where you got that information. There's not even 6 carbon atoms in one molecule of metformin, while...
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Metformin does NOT stimultate insulin secretion, is not a sugar, and does not turn into a sugar. It is a hydrochloride. Metformin improves glucose tolerance...
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Ellis, below is the chemical structure of metformin. As you can see, it looks nothing like a sugar. Sugars don't contain nitrogen, and metformin only has...
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My brother is diabetic and was enrolled in a clinical trial about a year ago to test whether HGH would reduce insulin needs. He told me they attached an...
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