My brother is diabetic and was enrolled in a clinical trial about a
year ago to test whether HGH would reduce insulin needs.

He told me they attached an automatic pump to him that would inject
a certain amount of HGH everytime his bloodsugar started rising.

This was the Phase One part of the trial where he had to stay at
the facility for two weeks so they could monitor everything
constantly and he got paid.

He said it lowered his insulin usage down to almost nothing.

Other then that he said he has never heard anything else about
it.

[Thatīs very interesting... I donīt see that lowering insulin
needs is very important, I see that lowering blood glucose levels
is more important, and I suppose that the way to lower insulin
needs is to lower blood glucose... but it is interesting anyways,
to see that by injecting HGH his insulin usage was lowered to
"almost nothing".

I wonder why that happened? It shouldnīt be related... Maybe it
happened in part because he was forced to stay in the facility for
two weeks so they could monitor everything constantly, thus he didnīt
eat the bad food that he otherwise might have eaten?

Whatever, I suppose their report will be that HGH helped to bring
down the need for insulin, which I think might be a mistake...

But the message of their report will be the right message: that
GH does not cause an increase in the need for insulin.

As we say in Mexico, the Lord works in mysterious ways. I donīt
think HGH lowers the need for insulin, but if that is what they
will say in their report, I will agree with them.

Thanks for sending us this. - Ellis]




--- In Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com, "Don De Shon" <jdburns69@h...>
wrote:
> My business partner and I share the same primary care physician.
> He was the first to ask her if she would recommend HGH in his case.
> She declined absolutely saying that taking HGH would be "asking for
> diabetes."
>
> I have my appointment coming up and I realize that our blood sugar
> tests are different. Neither of us has early onset diabetes, but
> we are both 'older' gents, he in his early 60's and I am almost 60
> years old and we are both HIV positive but with 'undetectable' viral
> loads and are very healthy. I have never had any unusual insulin
> problems as far as I know.
>
> So my question is if she uses the same tactic with me.....how
> should I respond.
>
> [You could respond by telling her that diabetes is not caused by
> growth hormone... that it takes many years to develop diabetes,
> and taking growth hormone has nothing at all to do with causing
> diabetes... on the contrary, after a few months GH probably will
> improve glucose control.
>
> But she is a DOCTOR, and what you will tell her will go in ear
> one, and out ear two. Believe me, she won't listen to you. She
> is set in her ways, and your arguments will not make her change
> her mind. She is certain she knows more than you do because she
> is a "doctor" and you are not... and she will not listen to you
> because she has plenty of patients that say truly dumb things to
> her so she doesn't know which patient might say something that
> is correct. The literature says that growth hormone might cause
> diabetes, and that's where she learns from. I have never known
> of any case of diabetes caused by growth hormone, and in 6 years
> of Rejuvenation, I think only one person has written to say that
> they discovered diabetes in him and asked if it might have been
> caused by having taken growth hormone. Of course, it wasn't
> because it takes many years of poor eating which causes high
> blood glucose, which kills off beta cells to finally get to the
> point where you are "officially" diabetic according to the
> criteria of the American Diabetes Association... Besides, that
> really is what some of the literature says, and you can't blame
> her as a doctor if she believes what she thinks is credible
> literature.
>
> But that doesn't solve your problem. You are going to have to
> find another doctor, one who is not afraid of prescribing growth
> hormone to you. If I was a doctor and you came to see me WITH
> diabetes, I would insist that you should get your diabetes under
> control, and I would also want you to take growth hormone,
> because I am convinced you can be diabetic and also take growth
> hormone. But you are not even diabetic, that isn't even an
> issue yet. Alas, I am not a doctor. There is no reason at
> all why you should not take growth hormone, since you are not
> even diabetic, she is just GUESSING that growth hormone will
> cause you diabetes, and of course she is mistaken, but she holds
> the power not to prescribe growth hormone if she doesn't want to,
> and you are better off finding another doctor... it is easier,
> too, and better for you, because you really want to have a doctor
> who is not afraid of growth hormone. - Ellis]
>
> I realize both here and in Mexico I need a doctor's prescription
> for HGH and would like to obtain one.
>
> > [Write to me, Subject: Rejuvenation Subscriber needs HGH
> and I will help you to get one. etoussier(at)yahoo.com
> - Ellis]
>
> My blood sugar panels are normal and, aside from the HIV, I am
> very healthy, eat very carefully, workout, have excellent blood
> pressure, etc.
>
> Any ideas on this? I'd love to get started with HGH unless it
> would be deleterious to my blood sugar levels?
>
> John Burns
>
> [Another thing you might tell her is that you'd rather risk
> getting diabetes than AIDS, and that growth hormone will raise
> your body's defense so that HIV+ will not develop into AIDS...
> Serostim is approved by the F.D.A. for persons who are HIV+,
> for precisely that reason... so... maybe this is a better
> argument to tell her than to try to argue that GH will not
> cause diabetes, which she is convinced it does... accept that
> it might, but say you are forced to take HGH because you are
> HIV+, so ask her to please help you to stay healthy.
>
> Thanks for writing,
>
> - Ellis]