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How to counter the 'HGH is asking for diabetes' argument?   Message List  
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My business partner and I share the same primary care physician. He
was the first to ask her if she would recommend HGH in his case. She
declined absolutely saying that taking HGH would be "asking for diabetes."

I have my appointment coming up and I realize that our blood sugar
tests are different. Neither of us has early onset diabetes, but we
are both 'older' gents, he in his early 60's and I am almost 60 years
old and we are both HIV positive but with 'undetectable' viral loads
and are very healthy. I have never had any unusual insulin problems
as far as I know.

So my question is if she uses the same tactic with me.....how should
I respond.

[You could respond by telling her that diabetes is not caused by
growth hormone... that it takes many years to develop diabetes,
and taking growth hormone has nothing at all to do with causing
diabetes... on the contrary, after a few months GH probably will
improve glucose control.

But she is a DOCTOR, and what you will tell her will go in ear
one, and out ear two. Believe me, she won't listen to you. She
is set in her ways, and your arguments will not make her change
her mind. She is certain she knows more than you do because she
is a "doctor" and you are not... and she will not listen to you
because she has plenty of patients that say truly dumb things to
her so she doesn't know which patient might say something that
is correct. The literature says that growth hormone might cause
diabetes, and that's where she learns from. I have never known
of any case of diabetes caused by growth hormone, and in 6 years
of Rejuvenation, I think only one person has written to say that
they discovered diabetes in him and asked if it might have been
caused by having taken growth hormone. Of course, it wasn't
because it takes many years of poor eating which causes high
blood glucose, which kills off beta cells to finally get to the
point where you are "officially" diabetic according to the
criteria of the American Diabetes Association... Besides, that
really is what some of the literature says, and you can't blame
her as a doctor if she believes what she thinks is credible
literature.

But that doesn't solve your problem. You are going to have to
find another doctor, one who is not afraid of prescribing growth
hormone to you. If I was a doctor and you came to see me WITH
diabetes, I would insist that you should get your diabetes under
control, and I would also want you to take growth hormone,
because I am convinced you can be diabetic and also take growth
hormone. But you are not even diabetic, that isn't even an
issue yet. Alas, I am not a doctor. There is no reason at
all why you should not take growth hormone, since you are not
even diabetic, she is just GUESSING that growth hormone will
cause you diabetes, and of course she is mistaken, but she holds
the power not to prescribe growth hormone if she doesn't want to,
and you are better off finding another doctor... it is easier,
too, and better for you, because you really want to have a doctor
who is not afraid of growth hormone. - Ellis]



I realize both here and in Mexico I need a doctor's prescription
for HGH and would like to obtain one.


[Write to me, Subject: Rejuvenation Subscriber needs HGH
and I will help you to get one. etoussier(at)yahoo.com
- Ellis]


My blood sugar panels are normal and, aside from the HIV, I am
very healthy, eat very carefully, workout, have excellent blood
pressure, etc.

Any ideas on this? I'd love to get started with HGH unless it would
be deleterious to my blood sugar levels?

John Burns

[Another thing you might tell her is that you'd rather risk
getting diabetes than AIDS, and that growth hormone will raise
your body's defense so that HIV+ will not develop into AIDS...
Serostim is approved by the F.D.A. for persons who are HIV+,
for precisely that reason... so... maybe this is a better
argument to tell her than to try to argue that GH will not
cause diabetes, which she is convinced it does... accept that
it might, but say you are forced to take HGH because you are
HIV+, so ask her to please help you to stay healthy.

Thanks for writing,

- Ellis]









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