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* * * HGH and Bone Death (Avascular Necrosis)   Message List  
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Re: [Rejuvenation] * * * HGH and Bone Death (Avascular Necrosis)

Ellis:
My bone density INCREASED on growth hormone as measured by two DEXA tests.

[Of course... I will bet you are two or three standard deviations above
the normal. - Ellis]

If I were in this man's shoes, I would consult either in person or by
phone someone who is considered an authority on both my disease and on
GH use. Mayo Clinic is a good place to start.

I saw an article on insulin yesterday on a medical website that said high
blood levels are thought to be the primary cause of most organ damage over
time.

[Hello Sammie... As strange as it seems, I inject insulin 3 or 4 times
every day, and contrary to what everybody else (including many doctors)
thinks, my blood insulin level is VERY LOW... so low, that it is off
the chart, ie, the many times that I have tested it, I find insulin is
BELOW the normal lab range (3 to 25 something-or-other), ie, I have a
2-point-something which is "like an athlete".

My explanation for this is as follows: My blood glucose levels are
close to 90 mg/dl all day long because I inject insulin before every
meal... Therefore my pancreas is not taxed to release much insulin,
in fact it has to produce very little, if any... The fact that I
inject insulin 3 or 4 times every day has NOT resulted in insulin
resistance, or else I would have a high insulin level constantly in
my blood, and I don't...

And it has not resulted in me killing my pancreas, because I have seen
that when I drink 400 ml of ORANGE JUICE, which contains about 50 grams
of SUGAR, my glucose goes UP to about 160 as EXPECTED, but then my
PANCREAS brings it DOWN to 120 in 70 minutes, which is PRETTY GOOD!

http://www.rajeun.net/35minutes.html

It is proof positive that my pancreas is still functioning well enough
so I am NOT diabetic as defined by the A.D.A. (although my pancreas is
NOT functioning as well as when I was younger, when I probably would
have gotten a flat response, ie, the glass of orange juice would not
have raised my blood glucose very high, about maybe to about 110... I
have SEEN this response in young persons.) This is why I call myself
a "Future Diabetic" and this is why I eat like a diabetic and I inject
insulin, as if I am a diabetic... (so that hopefully I will NOT become
a diabetic... Or maybe I will, but not at age 65 as I think I would have
become if I had continued on the Road to Diabetes without the drastic
change in my diet and taking insulin, that finally occurred at age 56,
due to my own investigation of my glucose levels!)

I agree with the article that you read on a medical website, but I
say that HIGH INSULIN levels MIGHT BE the cause some organ damage
over time I actually think most organ damage is probably caused from
LOW RED BLOOD CELL levels, ie, low OXYGEN levels... This is due to
KIDNEY DAMAGE, caused by HIGH GLUCOSE LEVELS over a long period of
time, and I will bet that EPO would prevent most long term organ
damage... the liver and many organs "shrink" with "age" but they
actually shrink because they are getting less and less OXYGEN...

This is only MY OPINION, nobody else's that I know of...

See my page:

http://www.rajeun.net/sarcopenia.html

- Ellis]


Ellis, you are ahead of your time.

Sammie

[Thanks for the nice comment. Yes, I feel like I must be a few years
ahead of most anti-aging doctors, (because most of them are still not
using insulin or EPO...) but they'll catch up eventually, and it
doesn't really matter when they catch up, as long as they catch up
before they have to pay for it where it hurts the most, in their own
health... and hopefully before everybody else pays for it with their
health too, because of a mistaken fear of these hormones. I am not
a doctor, so hardly anybody does or listens to what I say, except a
few here on Rejuvenation, I hope. - Ellis]








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