Hi Ellis:

This is a guess on my part, but since the skin welts and peripheral
neuropathy symptoms came on at the same time, I wonder if these are
both symtoms of B vitamin deficiency. At her age, there is already
a high probability of low blood B-12 levels due to loss of intrinsic
factor in the gut. Perhaps her diet is also low in B-2, B-3, B-6
and folic acid? Perhaps she uses no supplements.

We already know some people experience carpal tunnel symptoms when
they start using HGH, which I interpret as meaning these folks have
insufficient B-6 to begin with. This is then aggravated by the use
of HGH which accelerates metabolism in many parts of the body.

I say that because I have treated people with compounded Vitamin B6
cream on their wrists and the carpal tunnel symptoms clear within a
few weeks to months.

The onset of peripheral neuropathy always leads me to think "B
Vitamin deficiency."

To quote the world's authority on B vitamins (Dr. Abraham?Hoffer):

"B vitamins and nerves go together"

There is just not enough information here on this woman to
understand the exact etiology of her symptoms. We need more
information on what other medical conditions she may
have, prescription drug use, nutritional supplements, other
blood hormone levels, her diet, etc.

Randy Ice P.T., C.C.S.
Vintage Medical Group
Temecula, California
(951) 676-3748


Ellis: Hello Randy. That is a very good suggestion: maybe
Cathy has a Vitamin B-12 deficiency. But could this be
related in some way to the painful welts?

Cathy, try injectible Vitamin B-12... if you can't get it
easily, write to me. etoussier(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Rejuvenation Subscriber

And... also try Hyperbaric oxygen... Hyperbaric oxygen is
fantastic for the nervous system. (see the VIDEOS at
www.oceanhbo.com video 1 and video 2.)

And here is something else... In another post, Cathy sent me
the results of blood tests, which show that she is ANEMIC
"according to Ellis" ie, hematocrit about 39% and hemoglobin
13%...

This could ALSO be related to the neuropathy, because low
oxygen might damage the nervous system... so...

Cathy: Read my page "Anemia, Hemoglobin, Hematocrit, EPO, and
Senile Dementia"

http://www.rajeun.net/hb.html

And show it to your doctors.

thanks for writing, Randy... - Ellis



----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:38 PM
Subject: Adverse Reaction to HGH Injections


Cathy: Ellis, I submitted this question over a month ago, but it
never showed up in the forum, so I'm going to try it again. I'd
like to know if anyone else has reported these types of reactions.

Ellis: Hello Cathy... One month ago I was travelling in Europe,
and I didn't answer any posts for more than a month. Yahoo erases
the posts if I don't answer them in 2 weeks. Then they send them
back to you and they say that *I* rejected the post... but in fact,
I did not reject your post, I never even saw it. It is Yahoo that
erases them to force me to send more posts, which contains their
advertising.

But I don't ever just send posts, I always try to comment on them.

So.. Don't get offended, and just send them back. Thanks. Ellis


Cathy: After using HGH for about 15 months & loving it (no more
gray hair, great skin, etc), the injections started leaving me
with a huge, red, very painful welt that would last for days.

We're (were) using Saizen, & were in the middle of a vial when the
reactions started (no change in dosage, HGH, or water). We'd been
doing .5 to 1.5U 6-7 days a week.

In addition, & about 4 months before the welts began to appear, I'd
begun developing a mild neuropathy, which I mistook as a circulation
issue until a trip to the hospital (ischemic colitis) necessitated a
massive battery of blood & other testing (showing no circulation
problems).

My acupuncturist identified the "whooshing" sensation thru my legs
as neuropathy & has been treating me for it. It has subsided for the
most part, but since I began the acupuncture at about the same time
that I gave up HGH injections, it's impossible to say which was
the curative factor.

Can you (or anyone) offer me any advice or information about these
reactions? Could it be an allergy which I developed over the 15
months use? Or might it be that my body is telling me, "thanks, but
I'm fine on HGH, & don't need it?"

(I'm 64, my husband is 56, & we're both healthy. We've never been
tested for HGH levels because our GP refuses to give the test.)


Thanks.
cathy



Ellis: Quite frankly... I don't know the answer to your problem.
I am not even sure I know what your real problem is, but it is
not the red welts.

On the one hand you say that you used HGH for 15 months and you
loved it... you give a list of benefits that you got from
using HGH (Saizen)... (no more grey hair, great skin, "etc" which
means there were others too...)

But after this, the injections started to cause red welts...

You also said that your husband was using the same growth
hormone, but you didn't say it caused HIM red welts... and the
red welts started in the middle of a vial... the first half
of the vial did not cause red welts, but the second half of
the vial caused red welts...

And... 4 months before the red welts appeared, you got what your
acupuncturist says is neuropathy. Please tell us what are the
symptoms of this neuropathy? Do you have less feeling on your
feet? Do you feel like pin pricks on your feet or legs, as if
your leg is waking up after it was asleep?

If it is in fact neuropathy, then it is related to the nervous
system... and if it is related to the nervous system, there is
probably high blood glucose somewhere...

I would like to see the results of the battery of blood tests
that you got. In particular, I would like to know the results
for HbA1c, insulin, hematocrit, hemoglobin, and anti-bodies to
HGH...

If you can tell us the results, perhaps I or a doctor on this
forum will be able to interpret something from them. To me, it
seems that you either have blood poisoning of some kind, perhaps
mercury or other poisoning, or maybe you have developed (I don't
think this is probable) the so-called antibodies to growth hormone,
or allergy against the diluyent. I don't think you would have
gotten good results for 15 months, then suddenly develop anti
bodies to growth hormone, but perhaps you did... I never heard of
such a thing happening, but there is always a first time.

I am not a big fan of accupuncturists, except perhaps to take
away pain. I don't know if his diagnosis is correct that you
have neuropathy, but perhaps you do. I would like for a
neurologist to test your feet, before I accept it is correct.

I don't know the answer. Those are just my thoughts. Anybody
else have a suggestion on what this could be?

Ellis