Kozzzar: Wow! This is really funny material.. That's why I love
you, Ellis

Ellis: Ha! I read it again and I laughed, too. I don't usually
resend the same post, but let's all have a good laugh. Here is
a post from somebody in Australia that says growth hormone is
"snake oil"...

I "challenged him to a duel" but he never wrote back to accept it.
- Ellis

--- In Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com, "bigbubby50" wrote:

BigBubby: Hello Ellis,

I was seeing a registered Anti-ageing clinic here in Australia and
the doctor was procuring the HGH from the States, I was using the
Omnitope Pen 5 for injection- This is the latest tecnology for
injecting the HGH as the vials come already mixed and all that is
required is to put the cartridge into the pen and then inject, so
easy and so simple.


Ellis: So easy, and so simple... and so expensive and so
ineffective.


BigBubby: I was very positive about the HGH as I have looked at it
in great deal but unfortuantly it just did not work for me.

Ellis: I will suppose that it is authentic, because you got it
from an anti-aging clinic and a doctor. How tall are you, what
is your age, and how much do you weigh?

BigBubby: The HGH is real as it comes in the company package and
cartridges and their pen for injecting. I gave it a good try as
four months should be enough to see any results especially for
the price I was paying.

The doctor even told me that it would take three months to see any
results from the GH.


Ellis: You must be your doctor's first patient, or else he is
accustomed to slow or no results... perhaps he is afraid to
prescribe a larger dose, so he is prescribing 1 iu per day, or
less. (I read below: you are taking 1 iu 5 days per week...
that is about 70% of one iu per day, 7 days per week, which is
better than zero, but not as good as an optimal dose...

What is your age, height and weight? I am 6'0" and I weigh
75 kilos and my dose is 2 iu per day, seven days per week.)

I would have told you that you would feel results the first day...
and you would see results the first two weeks... But I know my HGH
is real and I know what dose to give you, and I know what it will
do. - Ellis




Gary

Omnitrope
Generic Name: somatropin [rDNA origin] for injection
Date of Approval: May 30, 2006
Company: Sandoz


Ellis: I will assume it is real. But I challenge you to a duel.
Try my growth hormone at 2 iu per day for 7 days per week... I will
send it to you to Australia, if your doctor can receive it for you,
because otherwise it will be blocked and destroyed by Australian
authorities. You won't pay for it until AFTER you test it and
you don't have to pay it if you don't feel the benefits the FIRST
DAY and you must see some physical benefits in TWO WEEKS. If it
works, you pay me the same 850 Australian dollars you paid for
5 weeks. If you don't feel anything, you don't pay anything.


I will send you 75 iu which is enough for the test, entirely at my
risk. And you can write after you have used it, and I promise I
will post your answer, good or bad. I am taking a huge risk
because you are already inclined to believe that HGH is "snake
oil" and I am saying I am going to change your opinion. I trust
that you will write the honest truth.

Write to me to etoussier(at)yahoo.com and please send me your
doctor's prescription for 5 vials of Humatrope 5 mgs. and the
address where I should deliver, and I will take care of the rest.

By the way... I won't send you a pen, I will send you the oldest
technology, and you will have to mix it in the old fashioned way...
But it works. That is the only thing that is important.

- Ellis



--- In Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com, "bigbubby50" wrote:

BigBubby: I have been taking Growth Hormone now for four months
and the only incredible effect I have noticed is on my wallet.

I have 5 injections a week, 1 iu per injection. My IGF-1
started at 12 out of 33 and now is 31 out of 33 (Somatomedin C)
Australian standards, so the GH is real not fake.

Ellis: You did not say what BRAND of growth hormone you
are taking and you are in Australia, where legitimate
growth hormone is turned away. You don't say where you
got it from, and you don't mention that you got it from
a legitimate source.

And I don't know what "12 out of 33" means... but I think
what you call "33" could be "too low" which would not
surprise me...

Give me an equivalence in American or Mexican measurement.

BigBubby: I have noticed no skin difference whatsoever.
My body fat and muscle compositions are the same. I feel
no different with no energy increase.

The GH was costing me AUD $850 every 5 weeks. I have now
stopped using it and will never use it again. I feel that
with all the media hype and all the overtures from people
selling the stuff, it is the snake oil of the 21st Century.

Ellis: I don't care what you were paying for it, you were
scammed. Whoever sold it to you scammed you. You didn't
say you got it from a doctor or a pharmacy, so we don't
know where you got it from... And you haven't told us the
brand you think you are using... but being that you are
in AUSTRALIA, where growth hormone is almost impossible to
get, I think you bought it in a gymnasium or in a flea
market... and EVEN if it seems to be an authentic brand I
would SERIOUSLY doubt the authenticity of whatever you used.

You are entitled to believe what I am saying is not true...
but until the day you try authentic Humatrope or Saizen
from a legitimate source, please don't say it is snake oil,
because you are spreading misinformation about a product
that you have never used. Try Humatrope, or Saizen, or
Norditropin, or Genotropin, in Mexico, and from ME, and
110% sure, it will give you results.

In 10 years and 10,000 posts, yours is the FIRST post that
has EVER said that growth hormone makes NO DIFFERENCE for
skin, or body fat and muscle composition. Therefore, I
am CONVINCED that the "growth hormone" that you used
is FAKE, and until you tell us what is the brand name, and
where you got it from, your opinion of it is not valid.

I am sending it to my forum, just so that I am not accused
of "censoring" a post that is anti-growth hormone. I am
convinced it is not valid.

If it doesn't quack like a duck, and it doesn't walk like
a duck, then it ain't a duck! Get this: Whatever you are
taking is FAKE. - Ellis