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Csyleen: I have read there have been recent studies showing Fibro patients have
problems producing HGH because of the sleep disturbance caused by the disease.

Ellis: Who wrote this? And would you please tell them it is
ridiculous? It is so typical for a DOCTOR who doesn't know what
he is saying to say something like this... so he says it anyways...

When I say something I don't know is true, I say it is "according
to Ellis"... this means I don't KNOW it is true... but I suppose it
is true, and at least I tell you WHY I suppose it is true... I don't
just dictate some baloney to you.

"According to Ellis" release of growth hormone only happens to
coincide with "deep sleep"... but "deep sleep" or any kind of sleep
has ZERO to do with release of growth hormone. I know we have all
read it a hundred times, but that still does not make it true.

We KNOW that release of growth hormone is triggered by very low
blood glucose levels. We KNOW this because there is a test
called "Insulin Tolerance Test" in which the doctor injects insulin
to his patient, then he monitors blood glucose as it goes DOWN...
DOWN... DOWN... and at a certain point, they measure to see how
much growth hormone has been caused to be RELEASED. If the very
low blood glucose has not caused a certain amount of growth hormone
to be released, then the patient is officially "growth hormone
deficient" and the doctor has backing to prescribe growth hormone
for so-called "adult growth hormone deficiency..."

So... "according to Ellis"... 4:00 A.M. or 5:00 A.M. in the
morning is about as "deep sleep" as you are going to get... and
it is ALSO when BLOOD GLUCOSE LEVEL is naturally LOWEST during
the 24 hour day, because the LAST TIME YOU ATE WAS 10 or 12 hours
ago, the night before.

It would not be too difficult for somebody who is researching
the release of growth hormone to notice that growth hormone is
released most at the early hours of the morning, and because
his subject is always ASLEEP at 4:00 A.M. or 5:00 A.M. in the
morning, the first thing that pops into his bird-brain is to
report that DEEP SLEEP is the CAUSE of the release of growth
hormone.

And if you know nothing about blood glucose, which almost nobody
in the world knows anything about NOW... and they knew MUCH LESS
40 years ago when the blood glucose meter did not even EXIST,
which is when these theories about deep sleep causing release of
growth hormone come from (because I remember having heard this
idea since I was a young man... which was a LONG LONG time ago...)

But "according to Ellis" what actually caused the release of
growth hormone is NOT that the patient is asleep, but that his
blood glucose level is about as low as it gets in any 24 hour
period.

So this theory about "deep sleep" causing the release of growth
hormone is false, and therefore the idea that "sleep disturbance"
causes growth hormone deficiency is also FALSE... but "par for
the course" for some DOCTOR somewhere to come up with, especially
if he can get PUBLISHED and appear to be very smart...

(Doctors, please excuse me... I am not referring to YOU... I am
referring to "some doctor somewhere"... and you know that some
doctor somewhere would have to say something like this which is
not true "according to Ellis" but it is true according to mistaken
medical books....)

In fact, this is one of the best examples of baloney in medical
books "according to Ellis"... Other examples: you all know that
until 15 years ago medical books said that growth hormone has no
effect on adults, it only affects children while they grow...

Today, with 20,000 doctors in the American Academy of Anti Aging
Medicine saying that this is patently FALSE, many endocrinologists
still insist that most adults should NOT take growth hormone,
because it is very "risky"... - Ellis

Csyleen: What is considered a good low starting dose?

Ellis: Why do you want to start with a good "low" starting dose?

Anyways... a "low" starting dose is 1 iu... Many doctors start
their patients with one half iu, but that is to avoid all
possible criticism and perhaps also a lawsuit which is a fact of
life that they are exposed to.

A better dose... call it an "optimal" dose... is perhaps two iu...
It depends on height and weight and age and what you eat, etc.

In my opinion, the dose for a male and for a female should average
the same, but I would decrease the dose for a female the first
12 days of her cycle, and increase it for the last 12 days of
her cycle.

In any case... ANY dose (not in excess) is better than ZERO dose...

so... one half iu is more than one billion times more than zero,
and better for a growth hormone starved body... and 1 iu is also...

So... get started, and then you tell us what you think is a good
dose for you. HGH is probably going to be very good for you,
especially because you have fibromyalgia.

Thanks for writing. - Ellis



Wed Apr 1, 2009 6:11 pm

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