Jerry: Hello Ellis,

I have subscribed to this group for years and am
following your regimen (Pretty much)... With the
exception of HCG

Ellis: (note: HCG, "human corionic gonadotropin"
is a hormone that stimulates the testicles to
produce more testosterone...)

Jerry: I am a 48 year old male. My question is
in regards to HGC vs. Testosterone cream or
injection. I have used HCG for a couple of years.

Is there any benefit to switching to a bovine
Testosterone cream or injection? Regards. - Jerry.

Hello Jerry:

When you say "bovine testosterone cream or injection"
I suppose you mean "veterinarian testosterone". Just
to clear up a point: "vet testosterone" and "human
testosterone" are the same product, made by different
manufacturers, but sold in vet or human pharmacies,
normally far less cost in vet pharmacies than human
pharmacies. But authentic products are equally clean,
and equally good.

Veterinarian testosterone is made in perfectly clean
conditions, with exactly the same raw materials as
"human" testosterone. It COSTS about one third or one
fourth as much as "human" testosterone, but the biggest
advantage was that there used to be a very great VARIETY
of veterinarian testosterones, and now we don't have
these varieties in "human" testosterone.

I don't know if there is any benefit for you to
switch from HCG to testosterone. I really am not
very familiar with HCG, which causes the testicles
to produce testosterone.

Most American doctors prescribe testosterone first,
and HCG afterwards... I suppose it is better to use
testosterone when you start, and then HCG when you
are over a cycle of testosterone. HCG is used when
your own testicles have shut down production of
testosterone because you have been injecting
testosterone, and now you want to kick start the
testicles to make testosterone again...

But I really am not sure how to answer your question,
because I am not an expert on the use of testosterone
or HCG.

Some clinics in the U.S.A. prescribe HCG instead of
testosterone, but I am not really sure that is a very
good idea. It sounds good on paper: make your
testicles produce the testosterone your body needs.

This way you keep your testicles from shutting down.

But if you replace HCG, then maybe your body shuts
down production of HCG or Follicle Stimulating
Hormone (whatever that is...) so you are stuck with
something potentially worse... (men don't really
have HCG... but it is similar to FSH and works as
if it is FSH)... I'm not sure...

I myself have always used testosterone since I began
to use testosterone, about 8 years ago... I have
injected HCG (Ovidrel, which was recombinant HCG...
not available anymore...)

Sometimes I feel the world is going backwards
instead of forwards... they take great products off
the market because the F.D.A. or the Olympic Committee
or maybe the Parent Teachers Association or somebody
is against a great product... They have taken Ovidrel
off the market, and they have taken Geref (recombinant
growth hormone stimulating hormone) off the market,
and they have taken water soluble testosterone and
other great products off the market, and now I can't
get them anymore.

We had lots of very good veterinarian testosterones
made in Mexico until about a year ago, when Uncle George
managed to shut down Tokkyo and Quality Vet and Denkall
in Mexico.

So... to answer your question... I DON'T KNOW why you
should switch to injectible testosterone, but I also
do not know if it is wise or not wise to be taking HCG
constantly instead of injectible testosterone.

Perhaps Randy Ice can answer this question...

Thanks for writing. I am interested in learning the
answer to your question also. - Ellis


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- Ellis