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* * * Cycles or No Cycles: HGH, EPO, Insulin, and Testosterone   Message List  
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Hello Ellis.

I have a question I think you haven't addressed. I am a
bodybuilder and I believe in your studies.

My question is: I don't read of any cycles. For instance, I use
test for 3 months... Arimidex, Winstrol or deca, then I stop. I let
my natural test build up with HCG or mentropin then I will start in
2 months again, always using 2iu of HGH.

I'm 48 yrs old, 9% fat, 200 lbs

Can you shed some knowledge? thanx jc


Ellis: Hello JC,

You didn't ask a question. You said I don't have any cycles,
and so I suppose you want me to give you a cycle. I don't
have any cycles. I take growth hormone every single day, I
don't cycle it. I have taken growth hormone every single day
without fail, for more than 10 years (since June, 1998)

So... that leaves other hormones.

I don't cycle EPO. I take the amount that is necessary to keep
my red blood cells up to 52% to 54%. In seven or eight years
since I began to use EPO, I have kept my red blood cells in this
range with about one shot of EPO every month, sometimes a little
bit more than one month...

I monitor my blood for red blood cells ("Hematocrit" and
"Hemoglobin") about once a year, and I look at myself in the
mirror every day so I can see how my red blood cells are doing
(I can tell, by the color of my skin... If I look "sun tan" that
means I have a good amount of red blood cells... If my face
looks a bit too sun tanned, a bit too brown, that means my red
blood cells are at about 55% red blood cells, so I don't take
any more EPO.

So... that is not a cycle, that is the amount of EPO that I need
to keep my red blood cells between 52% and 55%, 365 days a year,
for the rest of my life if possible.

As for insulin... I don't "cycle" insulin. I take Lantus,
slow acting long lasting insulin, once in the morning, every
morning, and once before I go to sleep. And I take Humalog,
fast acting short lasting insulin, either before I eat or after
I eat, if I have a peak in my glucose levels. I have taken
so many blood glucose tests (probably more than 15,000 in
nearly 8 years) that I can predict how much a meal that I am
going to eat will raise my blood glucose... If I was Dr. Bernstein,
I simply wouldn't eat it... but I am not Dr. Bernstein. So I eat
it anyways... (maybe fruit with cottage cheese and yoghurt for
dessert... maybe chocolate ice cream... maybe a bit of
bread and cheese... etc.)

I know what is my poison, and I eat it anyways, but I don't eat
a lot of it. If I do not take insulin, my blood glucose might
rise to 130... if I do take insulin, my blood glucose stays
below 100. Ideally, I would like to have my blood glucose about
85 mg/dl.

To put this into perspective: if I would drink ONE GLASS OF ORANGE
JUICE, my blood glucose goes to about 150 or 160... If I would
eat ONE SLICE OF PIZZA, my blood glucose goes to about 160, and
higher with a second slice. If I would ask a DIABETES SPECIALIST
(God forbid) of the American Diabetes Association persuasion his
opinion of 130, he would say that 130 is GREAT and it is NORMAL...

Dr. Bernstein would say it is too high, and I agree with Dr.
Bernstein, it is too high... so I inject the correct dose of fast
acting insulin to get it down to 85 mg/dl as fast as possible.

I inject insulin several times every day, so that is not "cycling".

And I don't cycle testosterone. Body builders cycle testosterone,
but that is because they are taking a much higher dose than I am.
I take about 30 shots of testosterone per year, with one pill of
Arimidex at the same time I take the shot... and I have done that
for about 7 years, with almost no side effect.

The side effect that I have noticed is that it has made my
testicles smaller... not the size of a small marble... they are
about the size of a large pigeon egg. Sometimes I stop taking
testosterone completely for three months, and I take HCG and
this makes my testicles grow a bit... but there is nothing that
feels as nice as being alive and horney with testosterone. When
I see a pretty woman I still get wild thoughts in my mind... if
I can do something about it, I do... and if I can't, it stays in
my mind... but that is GOOD because it means I am ALIVE and WELL.
I am happy to say, I really AM a Dirty Old (63 years old) Man, if
only in my (wet) dreams.

So that is the reason why I don't have cycles. But if you would
like to discuss a cycle of testosterone, go ahead and send it to
us. I am not a good person to comment on it, because I am not a
body builder... but it will be interesting for us to learn from
you, so you be the expert and teach us.

Thanks for writing. - Ellis





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