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* * * Do I Classify as Pre-Diabetic, Diabetic... or just Odd?   Message List  
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* * * Re: Do I Classify as Pre-Diabetic, Diabetic... or just Odd?

Hi Debbie,

Julie: I was just reading your story which is not dissimilar to
mine. I started by nearly blacking out and thinking it was maybe
my blood pressure but then when my doc sent me for some tests it
appears I have a sugar problem which is still not sorted.

Ellis: You are not eating correctly, and you definitely have
"a sugar problem".... you are diabetic, that is your sugar problem...

Julie: My doc went away the day I got my bloods and glucose tests
back for three weeks and I spent that time monitoring myself with
a meter. I now know that when I dip below 70 that's when I am close
to passing out...

Ellis: I am curious to know which is your blood glucose meter.
Different meters give slightly different results... I don't
know anybody else who feels dizzy whn she feels he is studying
the Torah.

Julie: And as someone who is not a great eater I missed the
breakfast I normally have now and went to work.

Ellis: Big mistake. You MUST have breakfast... Your breakfast
has to be mostly "Animal Origin" and "Vegetables"... For example,
my breakfast is three eggs (any style) and perhaps a slice of
turkey... maybe, white unsweetened yoghurt... See my
Carbohydrate Thermometer. Memorize how to use it so that you will
be able to look at ANY food and know at a glance approximately how much sugar it
contains.

http://www.rajeun.net/carbotherm.html

Julie: By 1 P.M. I thought I was going to pass out so some kind
soul went and bought me a small burger with a bun and a small
milkshake to bring my blood sugar up as I was shaking and feeling
so bad.

Ellis: Good intention, but mistaken choice of food... again,
it should have been meat, chicken, eggs, fish, unsweetened
yoghurt, and any vegetables. The bun (about 50 grams of sugar)
and the milk shake (perhaps another 50 grams of sugar, depending on
the size, which I did not see, and depending on how much syrup they
used to prepare it with...)

Julie: In only 10 mins after eating, it threw me straight into a reading of
about 210 which made me feel worse the other way,
and that has never happened before... so in only 3 weeks this
thing has gotten worse.

Ellis: The 210 shows that you are diabetic.

Julie: My readings are not as bad as some people with Diabetes

Ellis: You are going to have to start to think of yourself
as a Diabetic, or you will never start to take care of your
diabetes...

Julie: But I experience all the effects, my eye sight has started
going down and I fall on the stairs a lot thinking I am placing my
feet somewhere safe and missing the steps. This I am told is due to
the nerves in the legs caused by sugar.


Ellis: What else does it take than that to convince you that you
are already a diabetic? You LOOK like a diabetic and you QUACK
like a diabetic, so you ARE a diabetic.

Julie: I know when I am becoming high because I cannot quench my
thirst and go to the loo a lot.

Ellis: More symptoms of diabetes... I bet if you take an
HbA1c it would be way above 6.0... probably above 7.0

Julie: I also have a thyroid problem that they only put me on T4
for and this is not working either so I have joined this site to
try and gain some insights and advice about everything I can do
for myself. The other thing that really annoys me is in 6 months
I have gone up 2 dress sizes and I can't get it off despite only
eating small amounts of meat and vegetables for my meals. I have
no clue if it's the diabetes that's caused it or something else
as even with a thyroid problem I managed to keep my dress size
down for 2 years before that.

Ellis: I think it is the thyroid that is causing it... but I
also think you are not controlling your diabetes, which also
contributes. It is not enough that you should eat correctly
(apparently you are trying to eat correctly, but sometimes you
are also eating incorrectly, as you did when you ate the bun
and the milk shake...)

Julie: I have to say I am totally miserable with it all at the
moment trying to solve it all and I wish you luck with your own challenges. Warm
Regards - Julie


Ellis: Julie, you are diabetic, and you have to bring your high
blood glucose levels down. I suggest that you should learn to
use insulin, because there is nothing at all, no pills, no gila
monster saliva, nothing at all that will control your blood glucose
as well as INSULIN.

What you need to do now is to FIND A DIABETES DOCTOR WHO IS
ALSO A DIABETIC HIMSELF. I know a lot of doctors will disagree
with this, but that is precisely why you have to find a doctor
who is also a diabetic. Doctors who are not diabetics will
prescribe metformin to you, and metformin is not what you
need. They might prescribe Gila Monster saliva, and Gila
monster saliva is not what you need. You need insulin, plain
and simple... and cheap...

Do NOT go to a doctor who is NOT a diabetic, no matter how
handsome and polite he is, that is not who you want to see, because
he is afraid of using insulin. I have proven to myself over and
over that the doctors who know the most about using growth hormone,
for example, are the doctors who use growth hormone themselves and
prescribe it to their patients. And doctors who do not use
growth hormone and do not prescribe it to their patients are
the doctors that write and tell us how dangerous growth
hormone is.

Next step for you: take an HbA1c blood test, and let us know
what is the result. I am guessing that it will be higher than
6.0% and maybe higher than 7.0% See my HbA1c to Glucose
table, so that you will understand how to interpret the results
of the HbA1c blood test.

http://www.rajeun.net/HbA1c_glucose.html

And see my Glucose Theory of Aging, so you will understand how
to interpret your blood glucose tests (above 200 is "attempted
suicide"... excuse me for using scary language, but that is what
I intended to do...)

http://www.rajeun.net/HbA1c_glucose.html

Also, see my pages, Using Insulin and Using Lantus...

http://www.rajeun.net/usinginsulin.html

http://www.rajeun.net/usinglantus.html

Although I am not a diabetic and I think you are a diabetic,
I think that what you can learn from reading these two pages
will help you very much. The one rule to remember when you
inject insulin is this: ALWAYS EAT SOMETHING when you inject
insulin. If you do that, you can be very sure that LANTUS
will not cause you to get hypoglycemia, and it will bring your
blood glucose under relative control, right away...

Since hypoglycemia is the only side effect you want to avoid, and
you will avoid it if you eat something (something "good" or
something "bad"... better "good," of course...) And THE RIGHT
DOSE of fast acting insulin will not cause hypoglycemia, especially
not if you also take a bite to eat... (take a bite to eat, even
if your blood glucose is above 100 mg/dl... the bite to eat is
your "insurance" against hypoglycemia...)

Thanks for writing... Keep us informed... - Ellis]



--- In Rejuvenation@yahoogroups.com, "Deborah Walker Caple"
<DCAPLE@...> wrote:
>
> Debby: I had appendicitis a few weeks ago and my FBS was 175!
>
> Ellis: [What is "FBS" ? - Ellis]
>
> Debby: My urine glucose was 1000.
>
> So ASAP I bought a glucometer. I did the "Poor man's GTT" and don't
> quite understand my results. My blood sugar went to 219 in 30
> minutes, but at one hour it was 122 and at 2hrs 76, then at
> 2.5 hrs 66, 3 hr, 70, 4hr 70, 5hr 88 and 6hr 87.
>
> It surprised me that it went up again since I didn't eat anything.
>
> I have been checking my BS for certain foods (to see what I've been
> doing to myself for who knows how long) and 1 hr after cake and ice
> cream it went to 252! Down to 147 at 2hrs, then back to 155 after a
> lamb chop.
>
> My A1C last week was 6.8.
>
> I tried pancakes this a.m. with peanut butter, banana and maple
syrup,
> also a small piece of turkey sausage. I guess the protein helps keep
> it down, because at 30 min it was 120, 1hr 112, 90 min 117, and 2hr
111.
>
> I felt quite shaky after about 45 min. and thought my sugar was
> dropping, but it was 111.
>
> I think it's strange that it went up higher with my famous chicken
> soup (134) and pizza (153).
>
> Just wondering, do I classify as prediabetic, diabetic... or just
odd?
>
> Debbie
>
>
> Ellis: [Hello Debbie... You definitely classify as diabetic. But
> I would say you also classify as a LUCKY diabetic because now you
> know that you are diabetic...
>
> So.. You are mild diabetic... You are like an airplane with 4
> engines that is crossing the Atlantic, and TWO engines have conked
> out. You will PROBABLY make it across the Atlantic without any
> problem, but now that you know that two engines have conked out
> you will have to fly carefully, and avoid all storms.
>
> I will tell you how I arrive to this conclusion: You are DIABETIC
> because you got a 219 in the Poor Man's GTT... that is enough...
> but there is more... You got a 252 after cake and ice cream...
> That confirms that you are diabetic... And your HbA1c is 6.8% which
> means it is as if blood glucose averaged 165, according to my HbA1c
> to Average Blood Glucose Conversion Table... which also means and
> confirms that you are diabetic.
>
> http://www.rajeun.net/HbA1c_glucose.html
>
> I don't think your AVERAGE blood glucose really averaged 165, as
> the table says... but 6.8% is too high anyways, so it doesn't
> matter what figure it really corresponds to, 6.8% definitely
> corresponds to DIABETES.
>
> (Note: MY INTERPRETATION of HbA1c is DIFFERENT than the one that
> is shown on my blood glucose conversion table, above. It doesn't
> really correspond to AVERAGE blood glucose... but it shows you that
> you have had very high PEAKS in blood glucose, like the ones that
> you show in your tests... and it is these high peaks that have
> caused damage AS IF your blood glucose had averaged 165...
>
> But that is discussion for another day.)
>
> And how do I know you are only MILD diabetic and not a very
> advanced case of diabetes? Because your blood glucose still goes
> DOWN, after it has gone as high UP as it has... so this means
> your pancreas is still producing some insulin.
>
> So you are LUCKY. Now you know you are a diabetic.
>
> There. Accept it. And now take care of it, as if you are
> diabetic, because I say you ARE definitely diabetic... mild
diabetic,
> but diabetic.
>
> The BEST frame of mind that you can have is to ACCEPT that you
> are Diabetic. SAY that you are diabetic. TELL OTHERS that you
> are diabetic. THINK that you are diabetic. And from now on
> TAKE CARE OF YOUR DIABETES.
>
> That means: from now on, Thou Shalt Not Eat Sugar or High Carbs
>
> Also... You should check for "INSULIN" to see if you are insulin
> resistant... you probably are... I bet you will get about 10 or 12
> or maybe higher when you check "INSULIN"... Probably not as high
> as 20 or 25... So... don't worry about it, we'll fix everything,
> if you accept to take care of yourself as you should.
>
> If I were you... I would really tighten up on eating carbs...
> From now on: Goodbye Bread... Goodbye Spaghetti... Goodbye
> Potatoes, Pizza, Rice, Candies, Pop Corn, Breakfast Cereals...
>
> Adios dry fruits... Adios Sweets and Candies
>
> And of course: Goodbye SUGAR.
>
> Hello Chicken and Fish and Vegetables.
>
> Also... You should find a DOCTOR who is DIABETIC himself, and
> who takes insulin.
>
> The WORST THING that can happen to you right now is that you would
> find a really nice and friendly doctor who is scared of insulin and
> goes through extraordinary measures to keep you from taking insulin,
> as if injecting insulin is such a terrible tragedy... and he is
> SUCH A NICE GUY that you LIKE him, and he seems so smart...
>
> But he keeps you from taking insulin, so you will get more and more
> sick for the next 20 years... at which time you will have to find
> the doctor that you should have found now.
>
> You need a doctor who is no-nonsense, and does not bend. He does
> not want to be popular, and he doesn't mind if you hate what he
> tells you, because he tells it to you anyways.
>
> Read my pages:
>
> http://www.rajeun.net/usinginsulin.html
>
> and
>
> http://www.rajeun.net/usinglantus.html
>
> - Ellis
>





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Debby: I had appendicitis a few weeks ago and my FBS was 175! Ellis: [What is "FBS" ? - Ellis] Debby: My urine glucose was 1000. So ASAP I bought a glucometer....
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Hi Debbie, Julie: I was just reading your story which is not dissimilar to mine. I started by nearly blacking out and thinking it was maybe my blood pressure...
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This is a long one, so keep on reading when you think it might be over, because there is something really funny after you think it ended... - Ellis ======= ...
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Ellis, This is a nit-picky thing, but I wanted to correct some misinformation that happens to be in my area of expertise. You said: "Ellis: I suggest you...
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Julie: Hi Ellis   Thanks for all that information and the links to take a look at.   I have again visited a doctor (he is not diabetic) and to be honest I...
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Ellis: More below this great post. Read this post if you have not already read it. It is really a work of art. - Ellis ... Lloyd: Ellis, I fall into this...
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... More, at the bottom of this post. - Ellis ... Lloyd: Ellis, thanks for the information. My HbA1c last tested was 5.8 so I am in that borderline zone. But...
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Hi Thanks for all the information and replies, I returned to my doctor who performed a 3 month sugar tests and according to him I am in normal ranges so he...
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