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Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Re: Was halusinogenic drugs: Now Hesitant Pulse

Hi Will. Looking back thru the discussion, I can see you all are speaking, identifying the specific use of the term, from Mr Hammers view. I'll look and maybe learn a thing or two, and not cloud the water. Thanks.

--- On Thu, 7/2/09, William Morris <wmorris33@...> wrote:

From: William Morris <wmorris33@...>
Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Re: Was halusinogenic drugs: Now Hesitant Pulse
To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 11:48 PM

Hi Mystir 
-

I think it is important to highlight that the hesitant pulse under discussion is specific to Leon Hammer's nomenclature. It does not correlate with the choppy pulse (se mai) - a word that is translated as hesitant by the New Essentials and the California Acupunctu re Board. I think that you are referring to the choppy pulse (se mai), but I am not certain. Can you affirm that?

I appreciate it,

Warmly,

Will


On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM, mystir <ykcul_ritsym@ yahoo.com> wrote:


 That might be closer. As I see it, and learned it, its not an uncommon term,.. the hesitance is when feeling the rythym, the breakover wave is late and strong, hesitant, not lacking power, but held back.Differenty in the wiry pulse, as the wiry pulse isn't late, and its trail edge is sharp too. It can be in many positions, rarely kidney.
 Like this, the beginning of the wave holds back, then quickly pulses, because there is energy, but it is restrained emotionally (best), or physically (hidden organ failure).
 How to tell the difference is the art. But you guys are the geniuses, I'm just adding a couple words.
--- On Thu, 7/2/09, sppdestiny <revolution@berkshir e.rr.com> wrote:

From: sppdestiny <revolution@berkshir e.rr.com>
Subject: [PulseDiagnosis] Re: Was halusinogenic drugs: Now Hesitant Pulse
To: PulseDiagnosis@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 1:11 PM


Very interesting regarding the hesitant pulse. Again, I've found it to be highly correlated with earth constitution or significant imbalance. I think of it as pointing directly to the Yi as the spirit of earth (thought as the digestive aspect of mind) and it's relationship to si, worry, obsession.





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Hi Peter and Lon - The term hesitant arose in the Essential of Acupuncture and is, I believe still used in Chinese Acupuncture and Moxibustion. The California ...
William Morris
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Very interesting regarding the hesitant pulse. Again, I've found it to be highly correlated with earth constitution or significant imbalance. I think of it as...
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Hi Peter, Lon, Will... Sorry for the delay. Busy with patients. In terms of the Hesitant pulse wave, we generally consider this to be a Heart yin deficient...
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Jul 2, 2009
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Ross, I appreciate the context you're providing here. Still, I have to stand by my observations over quite some time that the earth element is strongly...
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I believe that the "pecking" pulse in Kiiko style is found on the stomach position (right middle- guan). The pecking pulse lacks horizontal movement and root, ...
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Lon - As I relayed before, I concur with your thought that there is an involvement of the *yi. *And, we are speaking about Leon Hammer's hesitant pulse. There...
William Morris
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I can definitely understand that. To some degree it is contingent upon perspective. For example, one can see the representative formula for treating Hesitant...
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OK - let's mix our metaphors. The hesitant pulse has a shortened time for automaticity and refractory period. These notes are extrapolated from studies with...
William Morris
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Ross, I can see the heart yin component that you are pointing to and it makes perfect sense. With herbs I've often used Gan Lu Yin when hesitant is seen in...
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Lon Yes. Hesitant wave can accompany any other pulse qualities, not necessarily Tight. Tight on Uniform Impressions would suggest systemic yin defic, while the...
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Hi Ross, Lon and Peter, I am on vacation in Southern OR and have time for posting. ;-) The wave analysis method for Hammer's 'hesitant' pulse also confirms ...
William Morris
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As for constitution, I really like palpating the source point of the channel that I correlate with the constitution. The most weak, the most strong, the...
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 That might be closer. As I see it, and learned it, its not an uncommon term,.. the hesitance is when feeling the rythym, the breakover wave is late and...
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Hi Mystir -I think it is important to highlight that the hesitant pulse under discussion is specific to Leon Hammer's nomenclature. It does not correlate with...
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Hi Will. Looking back thru the discussion, I can see you all are speaking, identifying the specific use of the term, from Mr Hammers view. I'll look and maybe...
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