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Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Re: Was halusinogenic drugs: Now Hesitant Pulse

Lon - 

As I relayed before, I concur with your thought that there is an involvement of the yi. And, we are speaking about Leon Hammer's hesitant pulse. There is another piece to this hesitant pulse and that is the notion of a lack of stomach qi, or moderation. 

A feature of the ideal pulse is that it has stomach qi (wei), spirit (shen), and root (gen).. The stomach qi causes the pulse to be moderate and represents the gu qi that comes slowly with harmony. Stomach qi is postnatal qi, it is the source of the postnatal qi and blood, and the transformation of the pulse is full. The spirit of the pulse is the stability of shape volume and temporal factors. Spirit depletion is signified by inconsistent comings and goings. When the pulse begins to flicker, develop arrhythmias and is easily changed in terms of shape and volume, then the spirit of the pulse is absent. There is no spirit if the pulse disappears.  The root is representative of the essence; it is the deep area of the organ depth and it is the proximal positions. The weird pulses all have a distinct absence of one or more of spirit, root or stomach qi.

This hesitant wave is not full. It virtually has no arrival nor departure. This is a concern in the area of stomach qi as opposed to spirit or root. 

Warmly,

Will


On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:23 PM, sppdestiny <revolution@...> wrote:


Ross,

I appreciate the context you're providing here. Still, I have to stand by my observations over quite some time that the earth element is strongly implicated in the hesitant pulse. Of course the heart radical is the foundation foe the yi and si so there would seem to be an interesting relationship.-Lon




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Hi Peter and Lon - The term hesitant arose in the Essential of Acupuncture and is, I believe still used in Chinese Acupuncture and Moxibustion. The California ...
William Morris
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Very interesting regarding the hesitant pulse. Again, I've found it to be highly correlated with earth constitution or significant imbalance. I think of it as...
sppdestiny
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Jul 2, 2009
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Hi Peter, Lon, Will... Sorry for the delay. Busy with patients. In terms of the Hesitant pulse wave, we generally consider this to be a Heart yin deficient...
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Jul 2, 2009
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Ross, I appreciate the context you're providing here. Still, I have to stand by my observations over quite some time that the earth element is strongly...
sppdestiny
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Jul 3, 2009
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I believe that the "pecking" pulse in Kiiko style is found on the stomach position (right middle- guan). The pecking pulse lacks horizontal movement and root, ...
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Lon - As I relayed before, I concur with your thought that there is an involvement of the *yi. *And, we are speaking about Leon Hammer's hesitant pulse. There...
William Morris
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I can definitely understand that. To some degree it is contingent upon perspective. For example, one can see the representative formula for treating Hesitant...
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OK - let's mix our metaphors. The hesitant pulse has a shortened time for automaticity and refractory period. These notes are extrapolated from studies with...
William Morris
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Ross, I can see the heart yin component that you are pointing to and it makes perfect sense. With herbs I've often used Gan Lu Yin when hesitant is seen in...
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Jul 4, 2009
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Lon Yes. Hesitant wave can accompany any other pulse qualities, not necessarily Tight. Tight on Uniform Impressions would suggest systemic yin defic, while the...
Ross Rosen
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Hi Ross, Lon and Peter, I am on vacation in Southern OR and have time for posting. ;-) The wave analysis method for Hammer's 'hesitant' pulse also confirms ...
William Morris
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As for constitution, I really like palpating the source point of the channel that I correlate with the constitution. The most weak, the most strong, the...
Eric Waltemate
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 That might be closer. As I see it, and learned it, its not an uncommon term,.. the hesitance is when feeling the rythym, the breakover wave is late and...
mystir
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Hi Mystir -I think it is important to highlight that the hesitant pulse under discussion is specific to Leon Hammer's nomenclature. It does not correlate with...
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Hi Will. Looking back thru the discussion, I can see you all are speaking, identifying the specific use of the term, from Mr Hammers view. I'll look and maybe...
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