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Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Re: Was halusinogenic drugs: Now Hesitant Pulse

I believe that the "pecking" pulse in Kiiko style is found on the stomach position (right middle- guan).
The pecking pulse lacks horizontal movement and root,
which is associated with a lack of ST Qi
thereafter treated with the ST Qi line (ST 36 - ST 41),
on the left side first and then the right side if needed.

K



On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:23 PM, sppdestiny <revolution@...> wrote:


Ross,

I appreciate the context you're providing here. Still, I have to stand by my observations over quite some time that the earth element is strongly implicated in the hesitant pulse. Of course the heart radical is the foundation foe the yi and si so there would seem to be an interesting relationship.-Lon




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Hi Peter and Lon - The term hesitant arose in the Essential of Acupuncture and is, I believe still used in Chinese Acupuncture and Moxibustion. The California ... 		William Morris
wmorris33
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12:51 pm

Very interesting regarding the hesitant pulse. Again, I've found it to be highly correlated with earth constitution or significant imbalance. I think of it as...
sppdestiny
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5:12 pm

Hi Peter, Lon, Will... Sorry for the delay. Busy with patients. In terms of the Hesitant pulse wave, we generally consider this to be a Heart yin deficient...
rossrosen
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10:38 pm

Ross, I appreciate the context you're providing here. Still, I have to stand by my observations over quite some time that the earth element is strongly...
sppdestiny
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3:05 am

I believe that the "pecking" pulse in Kiiko style is found on the stomach position (right middle- guan). The pecking pulse lacks horizontal movement and root, ...
john kokko
mubonglim
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5:25 am

Lon - As I relayed before, I concur with your thought that there is an involvement of the *yi. *And, we are speaking about Leon Hammer's hesitant pulse. There...
William Morris
wmorris33
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6:13 am

I can definitely understand that. To some degree it is contingent upon perspective. For example, one can see the representative formula for treating Hesitant...
rossrosen
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1:07 pm

OK - let's mix our metaphors. The hesitant pulse has a shortened time for automaticity and refractory period. These notes are extrapolated from studies with...
William Morris
wmorris33
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2:18 pm

Ross, I can see the heart yin component that you are pointing to and it makes perfect sense. With herbs I've often used Gan Lu Yin when hesitant is seen in...
sppdestiny
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11:15 am

Lon Yes. Hesitant wave can accompany any other pulse qualities, not necessarily Tight. Tight on Uniform Impressions would suggest systemic yin defic, while the...
Ross Rosen
rossrosen
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1:33 am

Hi Ross, Lon and Peter, I am on vacation in Southern OR and have time for posting. ;-) The wave analysis method for Hammer's 'hesitant' pulse also confirms ...
William Morris
wmorris33
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3:55 am

As for constitution, I really like palpating the source point of the channel that I correlate with the constitution. The most weak, the most strong, the...
Eric Waltemate
ericwaltemate
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5:43 am

 That might be closer. As I see it, and learned it, its not an uncommon term,.. the hesitance is when feeling the rythym, the breakover wave is late and...
mystir
ykcul_ritsym
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3:42 am

Hi Mystir -I think it is important to highlight that the hesitant pulse under discussion is specific to Leon Hammer's nomenclature. It does not correlate with...
William Morris
wmorris33
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4:19 am

Hi Will. Looking back thru the discussion, I can see you all are speaking, identifying the specific use of the term, from Mr Hammers view. I'll look and maybe...
mystir
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