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Hi Peter and Lon -

The term hesitant arose in the Essential of Acupuncture and is, I believe still used in Chinese Acupuncture and Moxibustion. The California Acupuncture Board continues to use the term hesitant as a translation of the rough pulse (sè mài, 澀脈)  http://www.acupuncture.ca.gov/students/exam_preparation.pdf. In this instance, the notion of hesitant sprang from what I consider to be an excessive focus upon time based distortions in the wave: "faltering and balking".

I describe Leon's hesitant pulse as a wave with such a rapid arrival and departure that it feels like a line straight up and down. If we apply the Pulse Classic and divide the arrival into the yang portion and the departure into the yin portion of the wave, then Hammer's hesitant suggests both both yin and yang are affected. It is one of Shen's push pulses related to obsessive overworking and we can see it in government and stock market. It reminds me of the trader who has monitors in the kitchen and the bathroom so as not to miss a trade. 

Ross, what are your thoughts on this matter? It has been 9 years now since my years of co-teaching masters courses with Leon. I wonder if that the dialog has developed. 

Warmly,

Will

 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:16 PM, sppdestiny <revolution@...> wrote:


Hi Peter,

Now that you mention, I vaguely remember having discussed this before. I meant deep for the water pulse. Leon uses the term "hesitant" to describe a pulse with predominantly vertical movement. It's about the only term he uses which doesn't really describe directly what the pulse feels like (as far as I'm concerned). I don't know what Chinese character it corresponded to. perhaps only Dr. Shen knew. I'm never able to get constitution from pulse only physiology, but the weakest/strongest (most functional/least functional) does seem to apply.

Warm regards, Lon




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William R. Morris, PhD, DAOM, LAc

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Hi Peter and Lon - The term hesitant arose in the Essential of Acupuncture and is, I believe still used in Chinese Acupuncture and Moxibustion. The California ...
William Morris
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Jul 2, 2009
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Very interesting regarding the hesitant pulse. Again, I've found it to be highly correlated with earth constitution or significant imbalance. I think of it as...
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Jul 2, 2009
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Hi Peter, Lon, Will... Sorry for the delay. Busy with patients. In terms of the Hesitant pulse wave, we generally consider this to be a Heart yin deficient...
rossrosen
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Jul 2, 2009
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Ross, I appreciate the context you're providing here. Still, I have to stand by my observations over quite some time that the earth element is strongly...
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Jul 3, 2009
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I believe that the "pecking" pulse in Kiiko style is found on the stomach position (right middle- guan). The pecking pulse lacks horizontal movement and root, ...
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Jul 3, 2009
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Lon - As I relayed before, I concur with your thought that there is an involvement of the *yi. *And, we are speaking about Leon Hammer's hesitant pulse. There...
William Morris
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I can definitely understand that. To some degree it is contingent upon perspective. For example, one can see the representative formula for treating Hesitant...
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OK - let's mix our metaphors. The hesitant pulse has a shortened time for automaticity and refractory period. These notes are extrapolated from studies with...
William Morris
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Jul 3, 2009
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Ross, I can see the heart yin component that you are pointing to and it makes perfect sense. With herbs I've often used Gan Lu Yin when hesitant is seen in...
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Jul 4, 2009
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Lon Yes. Hesitant wave can accompany any other pulse qualities, not necessarily Tight. Tight on Uniform Impressions would suggest systemic yin defic, while the...
Ross Rosen
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Jul 5, 2009
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Hi Ross, Lon and Peter, I am on vacation in Southern OR and have time for posting. ;-) The wave analysis method for Hammer's 'hesitant' pulse also confirms ...
William Morris
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As for constitution, I really like palpating the source point of the channel that I correlate with the constitution. The most weak, the most strong, the...
Eric Waltemate
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 That might be closer. As I see it, and learned it, its not an uncommon term,.. the hesitance is when feeling the rythym, the breakover wave is late and...
mystir
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Hi Mystir -I think it is important to highlight that the hesitant pulse under discussion is specific to Leon Hammer's nomenclature. It does not correlate with...
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Hi Will. Looking back thru the discussion, I can see you all are speaking, identifying the specific use of the term, from Mr Hammers view. I'll look and maybe...
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