Hi Steve -

This is an interesting point. What we do see in the wave is a
difference. In terms of an aesthetic of judgment, we can decide that
there are either no facts in nature, or there are an infinite number
of potential facts. In the objective world there are only forces and
impacts. While in the subjective world there are differences,
communication and organization. A difference cannot be localized.
There is a difference in the sound of heavy metal music and that of
chamber music. But the difference is not in the crunch of a metal
guitar power chord or in an exquisitely delicate cello part. The
difference cannot be touched. The difference is not in the space
between them. The difference is an idea. The subjective world is an
explanation that are the communication of ideas that are brought about
by differences. There are an infinite number of differences between a
superficial and a deep pulse but there are only a few differences that
are sufficient to make the difference that we call a deep or a
superficial pulse. The basis of collecting information from the pulse
– of knowledge building – is the difference which is how biological
systems communicate.

Warmly,

Will

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:30 AM, <Steveacu1@...> wrote:
> Another perspective about the movement of qi and whether or not it is
> "real", could be seen from the action of water and waves. We think, based
> on our visual perception that the waves have a structure or inherent reality
> of water, but according to physics, the water doesn't move in waves, it's
> just moving in place. Go figure! ( I may not have described this well, but
> the description is close to accurate. I am not a physicist or hydl -
>
> Good to hear from you, this is a fascinating discussion. I suppose we
> could ask whether the linguistic process for describing reality,
> whether metaphors of irrigation that we use in channel theory have any
> greater or lesser illusion than contemporary technology and war. In
> any regard, it appears that we agree that the map is not the
> territory.
>
> That said, we are discussing biological cycles that are part of whole
> systems. As an eco--psycho- systems. As an eco--psycho-<wbr>socia
> twelve fold diurnal cycle. The twelve channels are an arbitrary
> division of the cutaneous regions. The corresponding six channel
> system involves the anterior, posterior and sagital planes. Anterior
> is Lu-LI-Sp-St, posterior is the Ht-SI-UB-K, sagital is Pc-SJ-GB-Lr.
> The connection between these channels and the diurnal cycle provides a
> systematic view of the movement of nutrient qi. This could be a
> complete fallacy.
>
> However, I am a pragmatist. When under the correct circumstances -
> symptoms that have a tempo of the movement of nutrient qi (every two
> hours or so) -I choose to evaluate and treat along the lines of this
> particular world view, I am often met with clinical success. When I am
> not, I abandon that view and select another that may help me identify
> an effective course of action.
>
> According to Morin, "Everything we know is subject to error and
> illusion." (Morin, 2001 pp5) The nature of errors may be mental,
> intellectual, reason, blinding by paradigms, imprints and
> normalization, noology and possession, the unexpected and uncertainty.
> I will classify the organization of qi movement in the channels
> whether it is slow jing, yuan qi or nutrient and protective qi each
> with different tempos of change as pertinent knowledge. This pertinent
> knowledge involves a way of learning that is able to grasp "general,
> fundamental problems and insert partial, circumscribed knowledge
> within them." (Morin pp12) We need "methods of grasping mutual
> relations and reciprocal influences between parts and the whole in a
> complex world."
>
> I think that your question about an 'illusion of circulation' engages
> a necessary uncertainty into our dialogues.
>
> Morin, E. (2001). Seven Lessons in Complex Education for the Future.
> Paris: UNESCO.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Will
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Are Thoresen <
> arethore@...> wrote:
>> Does Qi really circulate as such, or is it more like a change in the
>> activity of the Qi, and that this gives the illusion that it circulates ??
>>
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Warmly,

Will


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