Are and All -

Good to hear from you, this is a fascinating discussion. I suppose we
could ask whether the linguistic process for describing reality,
whether metaphors of irrigation that we use in channel theory have any
greater or lesser illusion than contemporary technology and war. In
any regard, it appears that we agree that the map is not the
territory.

That said, we are discussing biological cycles that are part of whole
systems. As an eco--psycho-social phenomena, the nutrient qi is a
twelve fold diurnal cycle. The twelve channels are an arbitrary
division of the cutaneous regions. The corresponding six channel
system involves the anterior, posterior and sagital planes. Anterior
is Lu-LI-Sp-St, posterior is the Ht-SI-UB-K, sagital is Pc-SJ-GB-Lr.
The connection between these channels and the diurnal cycle provides a
systematic view of the movement of nutrient qi. This could be a
complete fallacy.

However, I am a pragmatist. When under the correct circumstances -
symptoms that have a tempo of the movement of nutrient qi (every two
hours or so) -I choose to evaluate and treat along the lines of this
particular world view, I am often met with clinical success. When I am
not, I abandon that view and select another that may help me identify
an effective course of action.

According to Morin, "Everything we know is subject to error and
illusion." (Morin, 2001 pp5) The nature of errors may be mental,
intellectual, reason, blinding by paradigms, imprints and
normalization, noology and possession, the unexpected and uncertainty.
I will classify the organization of qi movement in the channels
whether it is slow jing, yuan qi or nutrient and protective qi each
with different tempos of change as pertinent knowledge. This pertinent
knowledge involves a way of learning that is able to grasp "general,
fundamental problems and insert partial, circumscribed knowledge
within them." (Morin pp12) We need "methods of grasping mutual
relations and reciprocal influences between parts and the whole in a
complex world."

I think that your question about an 'illusion of circulation' engages
a necessary uncertainty into our dialogues.

Morin, E. (2001). Seven Lessons in Complex Education for the Future.
Paris: UNESCO.


Warmly,

Will

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Are Thoresen <arethore@...> wrote:
> Does Qi really circulate as such, or is it more like a change in the
> activity of the Qi, and that this gives the illusion that it circulates ??
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> In my experience, I suppose that when we talk of Qi we are alwais talking of
> Wei Qi.
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> And when we talk abaut wei qi circulation, we are aware that it circulate
> daytime outside the body, and nigttime inside the body.
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> The Ling Shu does not specify the details you are seeking. It likely is a
> vestige from six channel thinking. My impression is that the return of wei
> qi is through all yin channels at once, similarly it flows through the tai
> yang, shao yang and yang ming in sequence but: both in the leg and arm at
> the same time. Thus , for each of these four sections, it is in the channel
> for 28.8 minutes at the equinox.
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> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:11 PM, martyeisen <martyeisen@...> wrote:
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> Thanks for the information. However, the exact nature of the flow
> through the Yang channels is still not clear.
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> How does it flow through
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> UB, SI, TH, GB, CO, ST?
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> What is the order of flow and how long does it flow in each of the
> above channels?
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> How long does it stay in each Yin channel?
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Warmly,

Will


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