Hi Eric:

Wouldn't it depend on the condition? The shen loathes heat, if the
cause is excess heat causing shen disturance would be want to use
Moxa?

regards,
david


--- In PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com, Eric Waltemate
<ericwaltemate@...> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> As the shen is yang. Would it not be correct in treating the
outer shu points with moxa, as moxa is also yang? Say, perhaps 7
cones on the corresponding point according to the compass?
>
> Eric Waltemate D.C.,L.Ac.
>
>
> flyingstarsfengshui <flyingstarsfengshui@...>
wrote: Hi Will:
>
> I am well and hope you and your family are well.
>
> The whole area of shen in my view has been very ambigous in
common
> literature. I would propose much of the five shen and their
> imbalances are really emotional issues, where we attach our
belief
> or consciousness to an emotional or feeling or sensation, this
> distinction is important in clincal practice. Classically it is
> bleeding of the Luo points and channels that releases this
> pathology, it releases the Qi/Blood/Jing we use to maintain the
> emotion. But it does not change the underlying energetics of how
the
> intensity manifested, the Shen level.
>
> I would propose shen issues are more constitutional and require
> treating the eight extraordinary channels eventually, to change
> chronic or yuan level conditions.
>
> I distinguish between emotional issues and Shen issues, even
though
> common literture and practice tends to lump them together. Its
> possible the compass method and the five phase points can relieve
> stresses/emotions, not convinced it is an effective treatment of
> Shen or the optimal method. These antique points clearly move Qi
and
> that will give relief, but change one's Shen to restore back to
its
> Yuan condition?
>
> To me if it is a Shen issue it will take time to change and
> maintain it and most likely needs other modalities: qi gong,
> meditation, therapy, etc. But we can get quick releases from
> emotional intensities in a variety of methods. So I'm
distinguishing
> between superficial/Wei/emotions and Deeper/Yuan/Shen conditions.
>
> It seems the Outer Shu points were first mentioned as ways to
treat
> Shen about the Ming Dynasty, so they are not part of classical
> methods for treating shen.
>
> Study of Nei Gong clearly presents practices that focus on
releasing
> and transforming emotions and deeper practices for the shen, they
> make clear distinctions between the two. Just to summarize, I
> beleive there is a difference between treating emotions and
working
> with Shen, even though emotions influence our state of Shen or
state
> of awareness. If its just some short term emotions to me its
juest
> superfical layers pathology, a Shen disturbance is a more chronic
> condition, if it is a Shen condition, after we release the
emotion
> we are now ready to address the Shen, it layers.
>
> Just my thoughts on this, I have many more but no space.
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
> --- In PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com, "Will Morris"
> <WMorris116@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David -
> >
> > I hope you are well. Thanks for this question. I am taking the
> > assumption that: the liver houses the hun, lung houses the po,
the
> > spleen houses the yi, kidney houses the zhi, and the heart
houses
> the
> > shen. We can see the doors to the shen along the outer bladder
shu
> > points. Taking these assertions and then applying the doctrine
of
> > correspondences, those points that correct an imbalance in an
> organ,
> > allow that organ to more effectively provide domicile to that
> aspect
> > of shen and the self.
> >
> > I see shen as a part of self - and this notion of self is both
> > consciousness and physical presence in the form of stable
movement.
> >
> > So - the compass model allows one to assess from a perspective
that
> > transcends self: the directions. Returning to this methodology,
it
> is
> > via the doctrine of correspondences that the shen are assessed
> here.
> > This is especially so given the use of the compass in the heart
> > position where the shen are housed. Then one goes to the
> corresponding
> > organ. The imbalance within that organ which contributes to a
> problem
> > with the shen settling there is addressed. It is profound to
watch
> the
> > shen visually change in the eyes.
> >
> > Please let me know your further thoughts.
> >
> > Warmly,
> >
> > Will
> >
> >
> > --- In PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com, "flyingstarsfengshui"
> > <flyingstarsfengshui@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Will:
> > >
> > > From a classical view of Shen it is the luo points and blood
> that was
> > > presented for treating emotions and shen, its interesting the
> five
> > > elelement points do not contain Luo Points, the most
important
> from
> > > the classics.
> > >
> > > And the idea of treating shen, one would think it is more a
> > > consitutional condition, would you distinguish it from
emotions?
> For
> > > Shen issues would it be safe to assume they are more
> constituional
> > > than the intenties of emotions.
> > >
> > > The points I am making is does this model offer a way to
treat
> shen or
> > > just emotions? In either case do you think it is the most
> efective
> > > group of points for treating Shen?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > david
> > >
> > >
> > > -- In PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com, "Will Morris"
> <WMorris116@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As promised,her is a method of diagnosing the Shen that is
> proving to
> > > > be very promising.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.pulsediagnosis.com/PulseDiagnosisoftheShen.htm
> > > >
> > > > Warmly,
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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