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Re: Shen Diagnosis

Hi David -

I hope you are well. Thanks for this question. I am taking the
assumption that: the liver houses the hun, lung houses the po, the
spleen houses the yi, kidney houses the zhi, and the heart houses the
shen. We can see the doors to the shen along the outer bladder shu
points. Taking these assertions and then applying the doctrine of
correspondences, those points that correct an imbalance in an organ,
allow that organ to more effectively provide domicile to that aspect
of shen and the self.

I see shen as a part of self - and this notion of self is both
consciousness and physical presence in the form of stable movement.

So - the compass model allows one to assess from a perspective that
transcends self: the directions. Returning to this methodology, it is
via the doctrine of correspondences that the shen are assessed here.
This is especially so given the use of the compass in the heart
position where the shen are housed. Then one goes to the corresponding
organ. The imbalance within that organ which contributes to a problem
with the shen settling there is addressed. It is profound to watch the
shen visually change in the eyes.

Please let me know your further thoughts.

Warmly,

Will


--- In PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com, "flyingstarsfengshui"
<flyingstarsfengshui@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Will:
>
> From a classical view of Shen it is the luo points and blood that was
> presented for treating emotions and shen, its interesting the five
> elelement points do not contain Luo Points, the most important from
> the classics.
>
> And the idea of treating shen, one would think it is more a
> consitutional condition, would you distinguish it from emotions? For
> Shen issues would it be safe to assume they are more constituional
> than the intenties of emotions.
>
> The points I am making is does this model offer a way to treat shen or
> just emotions? In either case do you think it is the most efective
> group of points for treating Shen?
>
> regards,
> david
>
>
> -- In PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com, "Will Morris" <WMorris116@>
> wrote:
> >
> > As promised,her is a method of diagnosing the Shen that is proving to
> > be very promising.
> >
> > http://www.pulsediagnosis.com/PulseDiagnosisoftheShen.htm
> >
> > Warmly,
> >
> > Will
> >
>





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As promised,her is a method of diagnosing the Shen that is proving to be very promising. http://www.pulsediagnosis.com/PulseDiagnosisoftheShen.htm Warmly, Will...
Will Morris
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Sep 29, 2007
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Dear Will, Love where you are going with articulating a shen diagnosis. Was the article complete? I ask because for me it stopped in mid sentence "As I roll...
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Sep 29, 2007
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Hi Robbee - thanks for the heads up. I edited the page. If you go back there the paragraph is complete. Warmly, Will ... -- William R. Morris, DAOM President...
William Morris
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Sep 29, 2007
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Hi Will: From a classical view of Shen it is the luo points and blood that was presented for treating emotions and shen, its interesting the five elelement...
flyingstarsfengshui
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Oct 1, 2007
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Hi David - I hope you are well. Thanks for this question. I am taking the assumption that: the liver houses the hun, lung houses the po, the spleen houses the...
Will Morris
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Oct 8, 2007
2:45 am

Hi Will: I am well and hope you and your family are well. The whole area of shen in my view has been very ambigous in common literature. I would propose much...
flyingstarsfengshui
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Oct 8, 2007
10:43 am

Gentlemen, As the shen is yang. Would it not be correct in treating the outer shu points with moxa, as moxa is also yang? Say, perhaps 7 cones on the...
Eric Waltemate
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Oct 9, 2007
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Fabulous construction using the method. Thanks good sir. W ... -- William R. Morris, DAOM President Emeritus, AAAOM wmorris33@... http://www.aoma.edu/ ...
William Morris
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Oct 9, 2007
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Hi Eric: Wouldn't it depend on the condition? The shen loathes heat, if the cause is excess heat causing shen disturance would be want to use Moxa? regards, ...
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Oct 9, 2007
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David, I assume that it would. But Worsley treated everything with moxa first, then needle. (Assuming that either is not contraindicated at the point.) We...
Eric Waltemate
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Oct 10, 2007
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Eric where are you practicing? Your patients are fortunate. I think that we can see from Joseph Yang's schema that there are hot and excited shen patters. This...
William Morris
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Oct 10, 2007
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Hello group, below is a case of a patient i treated earlier. shen was the treatment focus and i thought it would be nice to share. this is my first treatment...
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Dan, Why did you choose KI 2 instead of HT 3? Eric dan johnson <flyfunktionable@...> wrote: Hello group, below is a case of...
Eric Waltemate
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Oct 12, 2007
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Eric, Kid 2 was chosen due to the noted water /fire block. using the compass method on the left proximal position the fire element was most imbalanced on the...
dan johnson
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Oct 13, 2007
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Dan, In my studies, training, and practical experience, I've read/seen/felt that if there is repletion in the Kidneys and vacuity in the Heart, then needling...
Eric Waltemate
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Oct 16, 2007
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I learned to use Heart 3/Kidney 2 as a combination for "Heart and Kidney Not Communicating" from Dr John Gu, a Clinic supervisor at Emperors. Dr Gu is one of...
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Oct 17, 2007
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hello everyone, i am working on a paper integrating thoughts of focal infections, latent heat pathogens and its appropriate treatment methods. the concept of...
dan johnson
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Oct 18, 2007
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Dan, See here: http://books.google.com/books?id=vAGESbbBftQC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=gao+huang+mo+yuan&source=web&ots=4mllLOg0f9&sig=JzNDFFnGQ0K0m2oQTU9aB7t26gU ...
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Oct 18, 2007
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Dan. Hara Diagnosis by Birch and Matsumoto has a great chapter or two on the gaohuang. It's worth buying and reading and highlighting over and over again! ...
Eric Waltemate
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Oct 19, 2007
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Dan, This is the first time I've heard of the Mo yuan. It sounds very similar to the mesentery - the layer of the peritoneum that connects the small intestine...
Colby Hartsell
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Oct 18, 2007
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You can find interesting materials and descriptions in the book "HARA DIAGNOSIS: REFLECTIONS ON THE SEA " by Kiiko Matsumoto and Stephen Birch. Marvi ... From:...
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See, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/product/286/222/hara_diagnosis__reflecti ons_on_the_sea Kind regards, Attilio D'Alberto Bachelor of Medicine (Beijing)...
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Oct 18, 2007
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Dan, Maciocia's latest book The Channels of Acupuncture has a whole chapter on mo yuan and gao huang. It's in the reference section of the library. Here's the...
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Oct 19, 2007
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Dan, I gotta ask. Why did you do KI 2 (fire point of a water meridian) instead of HT3 or PC 3? I was always told that the method you are using is like Sisyphus...
Eric Waltemate
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Will, Indianapolis. Worsley was also very strict with the patient drinking one half of the body weight in pounds in ounces of water, ie a 200lb patient would...
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Oct 12, 2007
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Hi David and Eric (I hope first names are OK) The diagnosis of Shen from the pulse is very clear and seems to be affective using the compass in the heart...
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Hi Will: I think the diagnosis of the organ systems using the compass method is interesting. Can it distunguish between a Shen condition and emotional...
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Oct 9, 2007
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Hi David - I find your post fascinating and also appreciate the thought you have given to the shen. Here are some Nei Jing discussions of the Shen: Ling Shu...
William Morris
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Oct 10, 2007
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Hi Will: Have you ever integrated or overlayed the Compass method with the Eight Extra vessel pulse method, and see what EV are involved based on the compass...
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