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On 7/22/07, dan johnson <flyfunktionable@...> wrote:

i believe that the level of pulse training at aoma is sufficient.  it presents the pulse at a low level of complexity, presents the basic qualities, patterns, and a method to use the material in clinic.  the pulse training is not inspirational.  it doesnt present the fact that the pulse changes and is a reflection of every aspect of our person. 

the majority of clinic supervisors take the pulse, use the information to create diagnosis, and establish a treatment plan.  they dont train use to understand the pulse. 

inorder to have a solid curriculum in pulse diagnosis i feel it is vital to understand the pulse in the context of the cardiovascular system,  to understand wave forms, ejection fractions, understand fluid dynamics,  and how the vessel changes with time in the body reflecting the labels we place on the pulse (wiry, slippery...).  if we are to be successful OMD's it is vital that we can relate the information we derive from the pulse to colleagues in the field of medicine.  understand through fractalization that the radial pulse establishes a microsystem of the body.  understand that the 8 extravessels reflect topological octants within the body. 

at the end of my first year at school i began studying with kuwahara,  he inspired me to learn pulses,  he transmitted to me that hte pulse is fantastic, dynamic, and capable of reflecting all aspects of the body.  two weeks ago at your seminar i felt for the first time that i learned how to read a pulse.  the concept of rolling your fingers on the vessels opened the pulse from a two dimensional line to a three dimensional system.  this needs to be presented in all core pulse classes. 

our school curriculum is sufficient.  it provides foundational knowledge so that the inspired student can reach out and learn more.  our curriculum is far from complete.  i personally feel we should have integrative classes, combine biomedicine and eastern medicine.  understand needling responces,  look at modern theories and analogue for traditional ideas, theories, and postulates.  by integrating some japanese thought into the program (kikko, manaka...) iti will open students eyes to the greater world of acupuncture thought.

we should have classes in hara diagnosis

will you have made my aoma experience very rich, thank you,

dan johnson




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i believe that the level of pulse training at aoma is sufficient. it presents the pulse at a low level of complexity, presents the basic qualities, patterns,...
dan johnson
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Jul 22, 2007
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... -- William R. Morris, DAOM President Emeritus, AAAOM Editor in Chief, American Acupuncturist...
William Morris
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Jul 23, 2007
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Hi Everyone, ... No. Our training consisted of one or the other of our teachers telling us something about the pulses ... literally. No course on pulses etc....
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No, core curriculum is not sufficient for making pulse assessment and diagnosis technically useful in the clinic. The core training we receive puts in place...
Colby Hartsell
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Jul 26, 2007
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I would say majority would agree that pulse diagnosis curriculum is not sufficient in any level in giving the students the tools of diagnosis for TCM or other...
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Jul 1, 2008
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hi Vanessa, another possibility is that pulse reading is a "deeper" (phenomenological) science (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wX_W1BB_0M)... and is difficult...
David Hiddlestone-Naith
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One, it takes, for some, almost and hour and a half to get a good diagnosis.  Two, since it hasn't been studied in a RCT it's not going to hold much water in...
Eric Waltemate
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Jul 2, 2008
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I wonder if the scientific community has to accept or agree with the teachings of the pulse diagnosis for the TCM schools have a better curriculum in this...
Romel Cordeiro
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Didn't I write somewhere else that Will had performed small studies showing interexaminer reliablility and these things should be pursued in a larger study?  ...
Eric Waltemate
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Hey Eric - It was Sean who did more substantial work on inter-rater reliability with the pulse with Emma King. I would like to address politics of evidence a...
William Morris
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 If Li Shi Zhen came out of the grave and started to teach and practice pulse diagnosis again, his diagnosis would not be accepted as science by the so-called...
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 If Li Shi Zhen came out of the grave and started to teach and practice pulse diagnosis again, his diagnosis would not be accepted as science by the so-called...
Eric Waltemate
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Eric Says: If the TCM community would engage in more of the accepted scientific research and beat Big Pharma at their own game then the evidence would be hard...
Susanna Horton
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Well, at least in NJ, we stopped the chiros. from practicing acup. We had to band together and fight them. Why are most Lacs so afraid of fighting for their...
John Garbarini
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HI John, Music to my ears, that acupuncture has been secured from the chiros. Let this become the test case for the rest of the country. I don't think...
Susanna Horton
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Susanna-   I realize most people won't fight the enemy in court, and they are smart to leave it to the lobbyists and lawyers. Wonderful. But, every Lac....
John Garbarini
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Congratulations John - Way to go. It is important to maintain membership in both state and national organizations. It is part of professional life. Warmly, ...
William Morris
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As a former chiropractor, don't rest on your laurels.  They will reclaim it if it becomes an issue of more money in their pockets. ... From: Susanna Horton...
Eric Waltemate
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Just curious...why are you a former chiropractor? ... From: Eric Waltemate <ericwaltemate@...> Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Re: New poll for Pulse...
Vanessa Passov
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Chiropractic is built on the notion that ALL disease is caused by spinal bones being out of place which causes reduced mental impulses from the brain to the...
Eric Waltemate
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Eric wrote:   ...     Hello Eric do you believe everything they say???   Vanessa     ... Hello Eric do you believe everything they say??? Vanessa...
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I have many friends real good in acupuncture, specializing in for ex: Migraine or any other headacke, high blood pressure etc..   They invited many in the...
Romel Cordeiro
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I agree, let's call them out.  Let's see who really has the real treatment that helps with the lowest cost.  Call the local and national media they love to...
Eric Waltemate
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This demonstrates the difference between men and women.  I'm trying to be logical here and you are getting emotional. Yes, I read the study.  I picked apart...
Eric Waltemate
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Scientific knowledge is not possible. Also, I would not class yogo or qigong as a placebo....
Mercurius Trismegistus
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Those were not the placebo in the experiment.  It's just that these are movement therapies which are exactly what the current medical practice advocates. ...
Eric Waltemate
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A debate coach frequently admonished: Lack of evidence does not constitute evidence against. There are many, many excellent studies on healing modalities from...
Luke Terry
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Hi All, I would like to add a few comments from my experiences/observations to the discussion(s) occurring. I''ve listed these in point form since they were...
Sean Walsh
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Once when I was in china I ask a famous professor of acupuncture, if she considered TCM a science of medical value in comparisson with the western view of...
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Hi Vanessa, Umm...one really small problem with this faith in such a store house of knowledge...it violates the many assumptions that underpin Oriental...
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