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No.  I believe there is effort made to cover the basics and what the different pulses, in theory, represent but, practical application is lacking.  Hands on instruction is weak.  It would be much more helpful to have more hands on instruction and practice in a class focused on helping us feel/hear what these different pulses REALLY are like and what they mean.  Plus, it seems so subjective that the instructors give conflicting opinions of what a single pulse is really presenting as.  It all seems very confusing at times.  Pulse diagnosis will always be subjective but, is there some way the students can just get a clear foundation of the basic 28-29 pulses?  ...Before the water gets all muddy with all the fancy complicated pulse theories out there.  Is there some standard of instruction that can be adopted so that we are not getting conflicting information from different instructors?
Some of the best direction I have gotten was from Will Morris in a weekend seminar, who confirmed for me what I was feeling or was not, and from Robert Laguna who narrowed down the objective qualities of  pulses that can always be true (fast/slow, thin/wide, deep/superficial, weak/strong).  Thanks.

My two cents.  Diane J


William Morris <wmorris33@...> wrote:
I would like to extend the question here in the forum.

Is there sufficient didactic pulse diagnosis training in the core curriculums of the schools?

If yes, then why?

If no, then why?

Warmly,

Will

On 22 Jul 2007 13:17:57 -0000, PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com < PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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Three second poll: Did you receive enough training in pulse diagnosis in your core curriculum at acupuncture school?

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William R. Morris, DAOM
President Emeritus, AAAOM
Editor in Chief, American Acupuncturist



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I would like to extend the question here in the forum. Is there sufficient didactic pulse diagnosis training in the core curriculums of the schools? If yes,...
William Morris
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Jul 22, 2007
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No. I believe there is effort made to cover the basics and what the different pulses, in theory, represent but, practical application is lacking. Hands on...
diane johnson
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Jul 22, 2007
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... -- William R. Morris, DAOM President Emeritus, AAAOM Editor in Chief, American Acupuncturist...
William Morris
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Jul 23, 2007
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... at acupuncture school? Absolutely not! I had 1 class on the 20 something qualities of pulses and what they indicate. The teacher gave us no indication of...
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Jul 22, 2007
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i believe that the level of pulse training at aoma is sufficient. it presents the pulse at a low level of complexity, presents the basic qualities, patterns,...
dan johnson
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... -- William R. Morris, DAOM President Emeritus, AAAOM Editor in Chief, American Acupuncturist...
William Morris
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Jul 23, 2007
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Hi Everyone, ... No. Our training consisted of one or the other of our teachers telling us something about the pulses ... literally. No course on pulses etc....
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No, core curriculum is not sufficient for making pulse assessment and diagnosis technically useful in the clinic. The core training we receive puts in place...
Colby Hartsell
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Jul 26, 2007
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I would say majority would agree that pulse diagnosis curriculum is not sufficient in any level in giving the students the tools of diagnosis for TCM or other...
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Jul 1, 2008
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hi Vanessa, another possibility is that pulse reading is a "deeper" (phenomenological) science (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wX_W1BB_0M)... and is difficult...
David Hiddlestone-Naith
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Jul 2, 2008
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One, it takes, for some, almost and hour and a half to get a good diagnosis.  Two, since it hasn't been studied in a RCT it's not going to hold much water in...
Eric Waltemate
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Jul 2, 2008
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I wonder if the scientific community has to accept or agree with the teachings of the pulse diagnosis for the TCM schools have a better curriculum in this...
Romel Cordeiro
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Jul 2, 2008
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Didn't I write somewhere else that Will had performed small studies showing interexaminer reliablility and these things should be pursued in a larger study?  ...
Eric Waltemate
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Hey Eric - It was Sean who did more substantial work on inter-rater reliability with the pulse with Emma King. I would like to address politics of evidence a...
William Morris
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Jul 3, 2008
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 If Li Shi Zhen came out of the grave and started to teach and practice pulse diagnosis again, his diagnosis would not be accepted as science by the so-called...
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 If Li Shi Zhen came out of the grave and started to teach and practice pulse diagnosis again, his diagnosis would not be accepted as science by the so-called...
Eric Waltemate
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Jul 4, 2008
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Eric Says: If the TCM community would engage in more of the accepted scientific research and beat Big Pharma at their own game then the evidence would be hard...
Susanna Horton
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Jul 4, 2008
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Well, at least in NJ, we stopped the chiros. from practicing acup. We had to band together and fight them. Why are most Lacs so afraid of fighting for their...
John Garbarini
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Jul 4, 2008
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HI John, Music to my ears, that acupuncture has been secured from the chiros. Let this become the test case for the rest of the country. I don't think...
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Susanna-   I realize most people won't fight the enemy in court, and they are smart to leave it to the lobbyists and lawyers. Wonderful. But, every Lac....
John Garbarini
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Congratulations John - Way to go. It is important to maintain membership in both state and national organizations. It is part of professional life. Warmly, ...
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As a former chiropractor, don't rest on your laurels.  They will reclaim it if it becomes an issue of more money in their pockets. ... From: Susanna Horton...
Eric Waltemate
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Just curious...why are you a former chiropractor? ... From: Eric Waltemate <ericwaltemate@...> Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] Re: New poll for Pulse...
Vanessa Passov
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Chiropractic is built on the notion that ALL disease is caused by spinal bones being out of place which causes reduced mental impulses from the brain to the...
Eric Waltemate
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Eric wrote:   ...     Hello Eric do you believe everything they say???   Vanessa     ... Hello Eric do you believe everything they say??? Vanessa...
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I have many friends real good in acupuncture, specializing in for ex: Migraine or any other headacke, high blood pressure etc..   They invited many in the...
Romel Cordeiro
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I agree, let's call them out.  Let's see who really has the real treatment that helps with the lowest cost.  Call the local and national media they love to...
Eric Waltemate
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This demonstrates the difference between men and women.  I'm trying to be logical here and you are getting emotional. Yes, I read the study.  I picked apart...
Eric Waltemate
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Scientific knowledge is not possible. Also, I would not class yogo or qigong as a placebo....
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Those were not the placebo in the experiment.  It's just that these are movement therapies which are exactly what the current medical practice advocates. ...
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