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Re: [PulseDiagnosis] PC and SJ Divergents

Hi Stephanie,

The SJ and Pc divergents pressent a connection between the ming men and
the heart. Postnatal traumatic emotional events of the type can easily
lodge in the PC-SJ axis. Combine this content with a diaphragm pulse, a
neuropsych pulse and any signs such as SJ-PC pulse disharmony of pain
along the trajectory of the vessels and you have clear cause to treat
the SJ-Pc divergents.

And, while there are many valid perspectives, caution must be used for
the anything goes perspective. Generally, we discriminate to the best
of our capacity. We use our minds to penetrate the mysteries of the
patient and arrive at conclusions that can transform.

Good to hear from you!

Will




PS, here are some notes a student took at one of my classes:

Divergent channels and the pulse The Jing Bie Mai

“An astute physician inspects carefully the condition of the channels”
“where the principle meridian does not go, the distinct meridian must
go”
Chapter 11 of the Ling Shu discusses the trajectory of the divergent
vessels

Pulse depths and divergent channels

The divergent channels leave the surface and travel deep through the
organs ultimately arriving at Bai Hui (Du 20). This pathway connects
the influences of a Yin and Yang organ pair, the heart, the diaphragm,
and the brain. These vessels may be used to treat lesions of organ
tissue, emotional problems, and chronic diseases with intermittent
symptoms. Providing a communications network between the surface and
deeper regions, these vessels may be used to treat lesions of organ
tissue, emotional problems, and chronic diseases with intermittent
symptoms.



All Divergents

Pass through the heart (Van Nghi).
Pass through the diaphragm (Morris).
Meet in the head at DU 20 (Van Nghi).
Travel from the surface to the depth:
--this implies a relationship
between the Wei and Jing or Yuan Qi.
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Divergant channel relationship to Ying and Wei
Ying travels inside the vessel and Wei travels outside the vessels.
Ying is related to Blood and Wei is related to Qi; correspondingly,
Ying is Yin and Wei is Yang. Healthy communication between the surface
and the interior, Ying and Wei, Qi and Blood, all require Yin and Yang
must be in communication. This requires Food Qi, Source Qi, and Clean
Air Qi combusting and generating Ying and Wei with healthy function of
the Spleen, Kidney, and Upper Burner. Alternatively – we could say a
healthy function of all three burners.

Internal pathways and relationships between organs
Interpolation and communication of Yin and Yang also takes place
between the heart and kidneys, the causal axis of fire and water
communication through the Shao Yin. The use of water divergent channels
affects this axis. The pulse patterns that confirm Water and Fire not
communicating are justification for exploring the virtues of the
divergent channel pathways. These pulse patterns include weak left
Distal (Cun) and proximal (Chi) positions, and thready-wiry sensations
in the same areas.

The presence of the heart as a connector for all divergents suggests
that the divergent may be used to connect heart and another organ. The
same is true for the brain vis a vis the connection at Du20 (bai hui).

The hand shao yang (triple burner) and the hand hand jue yin
(pericardium) vessels are the only divergents that travel downward.

Pulse Diagnosis of the Divergents
Pulses that may be an indicator for divergent channel phenomena will
reflect events taking place along the pathway of that particular
vessel. The location is reflected in the position at the radial artery
(Cun Kou). The physiological process that is present is represented by
the quality. In other words, location is anatomy and quality is
process.

If the pulse is very deep or superficial, then the use of Luo channels
in conjunction with divergents is often a useful intervention (if this
occurs in the right proximal position, it is suggestive of a San Jiao
divergent involvement).

Course vibrations at the organ depth
Damage to organ tissue is observed in the deep portions of the pulse at
the organ depth.
Rough vibrations at the organ depth - especially the lower third of the
organ depth - reflect damage to organ tissue.

Lack of communication between the interior and exterior through the
divergent pathways may be indicated by pulse qualities such as empty,
floating-yielding, deep, and changing amplitude. The floating-yielding
quality is the same pulse identified in the Shang Han Lun in
conjunction with Tai Yang Xu patterns for which the formula Gui Zhi
Tang (Cinnamon Twig Soup) is used. The empty pulse may be related to
many factors. However, if it is a Qi Deficiency pattern, the Qi is
insufficient to sustain communication between Yin and Yang, and
correspondingly Ying and Wei; the same is true for a deep pulse. Qi is
essential to maintaining contact between Yin and Yang, Ying and Wei,
and the interior and exterior, driving this process of communication.

The arrival of all divergent pathways at Bai Hui (Du20) is represented
in an area just distal to the Cun position (the Neuro-Psychological
position of the Shen/Hammer tradition ). Damage to organ tissue is
observed in the deep portions of the pulse at the organ depth. The
pathway through the diaphragm is felt in the area between the Cun and
Guan positions abd is called the diaphragm position. This is only one
aspect of emotional factors that may be addressed by using divergent
channel treatments. The emotional component is the effect of passing
through the heart, diaphragm, and ultimately passing through the
curious organ the brain.

Neuropsychological pulse

The most consistent is the Gallbladder. Yuen uses cranial points to
confirm
divergent involvement. Three things take place:
1. positive N/P
2. concommitant tender cranial points
3. pressure on the corresponding point of divergence causes the N/P to
diminish
and the cranial points to diminish.

1. Patients don't get as upset when using the term 'positive divergent'
as
they do for positive 'neuro-psychological'.
2. findings seem to be more consistent with divergent pathway issues
than
those catalogued for the N/P
3. All divergent meridians ultimately pass through the heart and go to
the
curious organ the brain (this depends on the source).


Findings in the neuro/psych position respond to treatment by the
divergents
most of the time (Van Nghi considers all divergents to converge at Bai
Hui
[Du 20]) rendering this a reasonable use especially since he tends to
use
window of the sky points as the upper meeting point just as Jeffrey
Yuen
does.

Neuro Psych findings

Finding
A positive neuro-psychological (NP) pulse finding seems to be an
ipsilateral
indicator of heightened sensitivity for various points around the
cranium.
Points I find most sensitive tend to be in the GB area, then the SJ
area and
least often is the Du.

Divergent meridians (He Sea point) on the opposite side tend to reduce
the NP
pulse findings, they also reduce the tender cranial points.

Theory
The brain is one of the curious organs, it is marrow, and it is Jing.
Jeffrey
Yuen claims that the GB is the vehicle by which influences from the
exterior
may finally penetrate the Jing. This is made apparent by the function
of GB
39, the influential point for marrow.

I suspect the same side findings (NP to cranial points) may be due to a
vascular component. I also suspect that the resolution of the NP pulse
and
the cranial sensitivities by a Divergent (He Sea) point on the opposite
side
may be due to a neurological component.

Example
Left NP is doughy. Palpate the meridians of the GB, SJ, UB, and DU in
the
cranium so far it seems to be same sided. Use the corresponding
Divergent
Meridian for the area of predominant tenderness ie. The GB. Palpate GB
34 for
tenderness and check both cranial tender points and the NP pulse. They
should
both diminish.

The divergents may be construed to traverse the diaphragm. I have found
them
to be useful for quickly changing a positive diaphragm finding.

The course vibrations at the organ depth - especially the lower third
of the
organ depth - reflect damage to organ tissue (this is consistent with
Van
Nghi's notion that organic lesions are a reason to use these vessels).


Diaphragm
The pathway through the diaphragm is felt in the area between the
distal (cun) and middle (guan) positions and is called the diaphragm
position by Dr. Shen. When this area has a tense and full quality it
can indicate suppression of emotions. Divergent channels may be
construed to traverse the diaphragm and they are useful for quickly
changing a positive diaphragm finding.

This is only one aspect of emotional factors that may be addressed by
using divergent channel treatments. The emotional component includes
the effect of the pathway through the heart, diaphragm, and ultimately
passing through the curious organ the brain.



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie Woldman <S_woldman@...>
To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:00:23 +0000
Subject: Re: [PulseDiagnosis] PC and SJ Divergents


divergent meridians all go to the heart and are benificial as treatment
when
nothing else has proven to be effective; the divergents are also good
for
emotional disorders and psychosomatic conditions. Often practitioners
don't
believe in treating the heart directly because the qi may be too
overwhelming. As for the SJ? I could only guess. Anything goes,
right?
Within reason of course, and special attention to the classics.

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>Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:48:31 -0400
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>To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0000
>Subject: [PulseDiagnosis] PC and SJ Divergents
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> Is there a common use for PC and San Jiao diverents and/or when
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>it be applicable to use these divergents?
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Hi Lincoln, You might consider PC and or SJ divergent treatments when there is pain along their trajectories, or a diagnosed medical pathology within...
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