Hello Will and Michael,


This deep and forceful pulse is related to latent pathogens in the
following manner. In recent years, Leon has been dividing the Organ
depth into another three depths. These are called Blood of Organ,
and Organ of Organ (O-B, O-O). Thge Qi of Organ is at the same depth
as the Organ depth itself. Pounding and Slippery are qualities found
here that indicate latent pathogens.

Also, with regard to the rate change, this is not a rate-change at
rest. A decrease in the rate of the pulse over time is (i.e.
beginning rate of 90, end-rate of 80), besides being fairly common, a
sign of mild heart Qi deficiency. Leon has made this very clear
lately because it is a common error of interpretation. Rate change
at rest is felt as a speeding up and slowing down continuously as one
palpates the pulse. There is a difference between Heart Qi agitation
and heart Qi deficiency. Over time the heart qi agitation can affect
the heart Qi and Blood however. One must distinguish between
occasional changes in rate at rest versus constant changes in rate at
rest, and also take into account the degree of the speeding up and
slowing down.

Thanks,

Brandt Stickley

--- In PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com, "Will" <will@e...> wrote:
> Hi Michael -
>
>
> > 1)In the Pulse diagnosis text by Hammer there is no discussion
of a pulse
> > that is deep and forceful. I came across this quality in the
right
> proximal
> > position. Any thoughts?
> >
>
> Wang Shu-he discusses this as a sign of latent pathogens. I would
follow
> that line of reasoning and rule it out.
>
> > 2) In the same text there is dicusion pulse changing pulse rates
on
> pg.115. It
> > describes a pulse as continuously speeding up and slowing down. I
> recently
> > took a pulse rate at the begining of an exam which was 90 bpm.
At the
> end of
> > the exam it was 80 bpm. I did not detect any instablility in the
pulse.
> Is there
> > any significance to this change?
>
> The interpetation here is the same as changing rate at rest, it is
very mild
> though.
>
> Will