Phil,
Geez-
This question really puts me on the spot.
1- only one company that I am aware of has ever listed the quantity of
ingredients.
2. If you know your herbs you shouldn't need my amounts. You can use the
dose that makes sense for your patient. Have you noticed that Blue Poppy's
books donıt include amounts? It's for this very reason. Anyone administering
herbs should know enough to dose correctly for the patient.

the recipe is NOT secret. I gave you ALL the ingredients

If the FDA asks me, then I will happily acquiesce. No problemo.

Cara

> From: "Phil Rogers" <philrogers@...>
> Reply-To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:27:37 -0000
> To: PulseDiagnosis@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PulseDiagnosis] Re: Not Listing exact formula will cause problems
> with FDA & EU Authorities
>
> Hi All, & Hi Cara,
>
> Cara wrote:
>
>> Iım listing the ingredients (Huangqin, Chaihu, Jinqiancao,
>> Haijinsha, Chuanlianzi, Jineijin, Yanhusuo, Suanzaoren, Gancao,
>> Dazao, Xiangfu, Zhishi, Danshen). , but keeping the dosages out,
>> as this is a proprietary formula of China Herb Company. .. The
>> [formula has] Suanzaoren to Calm Shen. Obviously it is a
>> combination of Xiao Chaihu Tang and Jin Ling Zi San Jia Jian.
>> Small stones may dissolve completely. Larger stones may shrink.
>> Discomfort from stones usually resolves as well. It is always
>> possible that a stone resolving formula will cause a stone to get
>> caught in the common bile duct, necessitating emergency surgery.
>> But this can happen anyway. Even without herbs. 2 months is a
>> course of treatment and then follow up w/ an ultrasound. further:
>> even if the stones don't fully resolve: if we are successful in
>> resolving the digestive issues caused by the stones, then does it
>> matter that they have them? Best of luck all!! Cara
>
> Cara, many thanks for the data. However, with respect, failure to
> list the exact formulation does a disservice to the acceptance of
> TCM in western countries with a high degree of State Regulation,
> and with many regulators just itching for excuses to knock non-
> allopathic medicine.
>
> Proprietary formula or not, why not put us out of our misery? The
> FDA and EU Authorities have no place for "secret recipies", nor
> (IMO) should the profession.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Phil Rogers MRCVS
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