From: marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Set-Up?
To: Psychopathsgroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:08 PM

 

He has been really nice to me lately. Too nice. First, he tells me he wants to do Thanksgiving with my side of the family "because we should alternate". We have been with his for 6 years straight. Secondly, he agreed to go as a family to Disney's Nemo on Ice. Third, he says he is scheduling a surprise for me during Christmas break. He says it is something I have been wanting to see for at least 3 years. I told him I was scared that he had something planned that wasn't going to be good and he laughed.

What do you think? Should I be scared or relax and give him the benefit of the doubt?

Anne

From: lyndieayn@... <lyndieayn@...>
Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] GRRRRRR
To: Psychopathsgroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 7:50 PM

 

Now I'm having problems!!!! 1

Lyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Star Light <stargazingforever@ yahoo.com>
To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] GRRRRRR

Hahaha!  The last reply I sent said yahell blocked me and to try again in an hour or two and I sent it again and it went.  geez!

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From: "lyndieayn@aol. com" <lyndieayn@aol. com>
To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 4:47:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] GRRRRRR

Ghost Ns probably

Lyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Star Light <stargazingforever@ yahoo.com>
To: P & N Group <Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 4:15 pm
Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] GRRRRRR

I have been trying to answer one post forever and am having nothing but trouble.  It says my firefox isn't responding but it only does it in yahell!  I went to the website and had trouble there too so my mail and the website is giving me trouble.  Going to reboot and see if that helps!!!

Star

From: lyndieayn@... <lyndieayn@...>
Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
To: Psychopathsgroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 12:46 PM

 

Me too!!!!  I even took a court advocate with me.  She was from SafeHome.  She just shook her head in disbelief.  I was a crying mess.  I felt like such an idiot and of course n was smirking.

Lyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com>
To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest

I think that testimony should have been MORE than enough.....who knows....maybe that freakin lousy judge was a male shovanist N too!!   MAN, the law pisses me off sometime.... it's like you said....what the heck else do they need????  a bomb??? a bullet????   what jerks,..... --- On Tue, 11/10/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 8:37 AM   The judge said stalking is a very serious issue (duh) and I didn't have enough evidence.... ....even though this guy would come to my door late at night.....if I didn't answer, he'd go to my back patio door.  Then he would call and say he was standing outside my house.  He'd go through my mail and put things in my mailbox, which is a federal offense.  If I went out with friends, he would have me followed and have this person report to him what I was doing.  He would drive slowly by my house at night to see if anyone else was here.  On and on.  I don't know what kind of "evidence" they need.  Maybe a bullet in my head would work. Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:32 am Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest What was their reason that they wouldn't grant you one??? I was at the court room with all of these other poor women that were being harrassed and we were talking about how the system seems to fail women in that situation until they're killed.  We've had a few of those types of killings around here in the last year or so. Sad, but true..... --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:02 PM   Wow that's great that you got one.  I was really disappointed that they wouldn't grant one to me.  Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Yes, I was granted one after he sent a text that threatened my safety.  My friends said I should report it.  It was only city wide and once it expired, I tried to get one county wide, but he had moved out of our house and they couldn't find him.  Then, he started flying below the law's radar so I couldn't get him.  He limited his texts and letters to once a month and quit stalking me altogether because he moved to Florida.... --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:52 PM   Yes!!!  Did you try to get a restraining order? Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Mine did that too!  He'd follow me in his truck....show up at restaurants while I was there with friends....show up at clubs when I was out with friends....call and email consitently. ...knock on my doors and windows....go by my families houses....mail letters....mail cards forged with my sons name....send friends to deliver suicide threats....use his sons cellphone to call and send texts...etc etc etc it was terrifying to see the craziness surface once you cut them off..... --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:39 PM   Me too!!!  I'm terrified!  Remember, my xn stalked me but I couldn't get a restraining order even though he'd come to my door at night, go around to the patio door, put stuff in my mailbox, drive by to see if anyone's car was here......on and on.  Actually, I'm scared of him too! Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:34 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest I second that, Lyn!  I'm scared to death of them too!  I SURELY don't want any man knowing where I live.  That's the mistake I made with the EX--N.....and I couldn't get rid of him!!! --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:17 PM   That's true........ ..lol  AS IF I would call any of them.  I don't call men and I don't give men my # so here I sit alone and that's fine with me.  I don't want any men to know my number or where I live.  I'm scared to death of men now.  Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Lyn,   If they see you do it.....all the better to get your point across....LOL   Gina --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:53 PM   Exactly,  I don't know how many guys have given me their cards.  I don't even wait to get home to trash them.  I trash them as I go out the door.  They probably see me do it but who cares? LOL Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Me too, Lyn.  I've had guys come on really strong with their emails....and try to get me to call them or IM them.  I just think that the N's or just complete jerks want to move that fast.  I'm NEVER moving that fast with ANYONE again!  I do not hand out my phone number either.  I've had guys at bars ask me for my number.  I just tell them I don't give out my number, but they can give me theirs.  As soon as I get home....it goes in the trash...LOL   That eliminates the possibility of the drunk guy harrassing you.... --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:49 PM   I think all the ns navigate to the dating sites.  How else are they going to find victims?  I'm so done with it.  I have several guys who've contacted me (like I said, I keep my profiles up to aggravate xn)......but I'm not replying.  I've even had guys write and ask me to give them my phone number!  I never did that even before n!  I guess some women do though.  Sigh Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Lyn,   I'm with you there!  I won't ever meet anyone from the internet again either!  I've learned that most of them don't put up a current picture and most of them are married or just looking for another bed partner.  I feel like the "good" guys (wherever THEY are...) don't have to browse the internet looking for a woman....   Gina --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:15 PM   I'm laughing so hard lol.  Mine patrols my activity on dating sites too.  I just stay there to aggravate him because I'm sure not going to meet anyone from the internet again.  Barf Used to be, when we were "together" he'd want me to take my profiles down; I said I would if he would.  So, I'd take all mine down but he wouldn't.  He works for the state govt. and I "reported" him......he was informed that he was not to use his work puter for dating sites.  He doesn't have a puter at home, so now he actually will go to a hotel lobby or library.  What a dunce.  What did we ever see in these idiots?????? ?? Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:28 am Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest They are so stupid and so desperate for attention!  Mine said the same thing!!  That he knew it was me....UH HUH....LOL I wouldn't be surprised if the goofball is still snooping on my profiles because he doesn't have a life.  He lives in front of the computer searching for women.  Pitiful.... Painfully embarassing that I fell for an idiot like that....LOL --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:54 AM   I agree!  They are so stupid, aren't they?  I even confronted my xn about it.....actually I did it several times.  He said he knew it was me, that's why he hit on it.  Yeah, right. LOL.  That doesn't even make any kind of sense, even to an n. Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:37 am Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Lyn,   I did the same thing when I was still semi involved with my exN.  He also hit on it too.  All he did was brag about himself.  That's kinda how I found out who he really is....   So, NO, it doesn't make you an N...it makes you a good investigator. ..LOL   G --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:24 AM   LOL........haven't had that happen YET but I'm sure it will sooner or later.  Actually both my ns are too stupid to know how to do that......I set up a fake profile on a dating site and my last n hit on it!!!!!!!  Does that make me an n or just a smarter person?  LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL L Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:57 am Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest I've had that done to me, too, saba....by my EX--N.  Posing as someone else on the internet.  I could smell his crap from a mile away!!! --- On Mon, 11/9/09, canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> wrote: From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:43 AM   Depends on how much they care. I had a guy I have dated for a month send me emails now and then. He had red flags all over. The only reason he doesn't send me anymore emails or even calls is because it's been 15 years, and he has no idea where I am. I mean it was one month.... I don't think he cared about me. I think he just wanted more N supply. He was an N to the T. He was writing to me while married to someone else. At one point he came online as someone else and tried to talk to me. I only later found out it was him. --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@.. . wrote: > > > Right, supposedly ignoring them drives them over the edge!!!!!!!! ! > > > > Lyn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:27 am > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest > > > > > > > > > > > That's true that they do come back. Just keep strong. I've also heard they go > away when you ignore them. > > Saba. > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote: > > > > > > Thanks again, Saba........ haven't heard anything all day......... so hope they > are gone for good!!!! But like I've read, they always come back when they've > lost "supply". That's why the one I met 3 years ago showed up. But I busted > him with his current girlfriend. I hope she's not unhappy with me because I did > her a huge favor. Oh well, life goes on. > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 6:58 pm > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry Lyn honey, that you're having to go through what you are going > > through. I hope they both leave you alone soon. > > > > saba. > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's ok, Saba........ I forget stuff when I'm stressed. I hope you aren't > > getting sick. I haven't felt very well all weekend. Being "attacked" by 2 ns > > > hasn't helped any. All is quiet for now. Hope it's not the lull before the > > storm lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 6:07 pm > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh... sorry. I got it wrong. It wasn't you who was having trouble with > that > > > website, it was someone else... I don't know why I thought it was you. > > > > > > I think I might be coming down with something. Sorry Lyn. > > > > > > Saba. > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Saba, I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean. I plead the 5th though > > because > > > my allergies are driving me nuts..headache and runny eyes, > sneezing.... ...yuk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 10:56 am > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn: How's the issue with the website going? Any resolution? > > > > > > > > Saba. > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That sounds about right....... typical n bs. LOL Haven't heard > anything > > > from > > > > the first n since I wrote to his girlfriend and busted him. I just love > > > busting > > > > ns lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:50 pm > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone once told me that N's turn women in their lives against each > > other > > > by > > > > > > > > > building one up really high in front of the other. So, the other has to > > > > feel > > > > > she's competing. > > > > > > > > > > Glad to hear your keeping strong. > > > > > > > > > > Saba. > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope........ .told him to get lost. The girlfriend kicked his @ss to > > the > > > > curb > > > > > soooooooooo he wants to come here and live with me.......... ......... .......not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that stupid! But who needs this stress. Thankfully, he doesn't know > > where > > > I > > > > > live!!!!!!!! !! I told him to get on the bus and go back to South > > Carolina. > > > > > > > The > > > > > girlfriend has emailed me totally p**** accusing me of seeing him. I > have > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > seen this rat b**** in 3 years and never will again! Thanks for your > > > support, > > > > > > > > > mother hen lol. I am blocking them both from writing to me; I do not > need > > > > > > this > > > > > stress. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Star Light <stargazingforever@ > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 11:46 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it > off > > my > > > > > > > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just hope you don't return this guys calls!!!! Steer clear of all > > those > > > > > > > > losers!! I worry about everyone, geez, mother hen here!!! LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > Star > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "lyndieayn@" <lyndieayn@> > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 8:54:14 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it > off > > my > > > > > > > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not one to give advice, because I have certainly messed up with > > men. > > > > > > > But > > > > > how can you REALLY trust this guy. See, my N lives two hours away and > led > > a > > > > > > > > double life. If I weren't halfway good at investigation, I would never > > have > > > > > > > > found out he has a girlfriend of 10 years there. Well, I guess I'm d*** > > > > good > > > > at > > > > > investigation because I keep finding more stuff....... .Found pics of him > > > and > > > > > > > her > > > > > dancing on New Year's eve at his country club when he told me he had to > > > work. > > > > I > > > > > sat home alone. AND THIS IS LOVE??? No 2 situations are the same; just > > > be > > > > > careful about whom you give your heart to. I'd hate to see it broken if > > > > this > > > > > guy turns out to be psycho. He may be a perfectly nice man.......and I > > hope > > > > > > > he > > > > > is. Can you find out from public records if he really is a widow? You > > > should > > > > > > > > > be able to find out on line for free by going to his county > > > > > > web site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OKKKKK I told you all the N I knew 3 years ago has reappeared. He > just > > > > called > > > > > and left a voice mail that he wants to leave the woman he moved in with > a > > > > month > > > > > ago. She lives in the same state as I, again, two hours away in another > > > > > > direction. He wants me to PICK HIM UP TOMORROW AND BRING HIM TO MY > > > > > HOUSE!!!!!!! !!!!!!! I met this nut on the internet too. He's from > South > > > > > Carolina and I flew down there to meet him. It was an "instant" > > attraction > > > > > thing. However, he is an alcoholic. He is sober now, but who knows how > > > > long > > > > > that will last. This man is 59 and was very very successful in > > advertising > > > > when > > > > > he was young and out of college with several degrees. But the booze > > ruined > > > > him > > > > > near as I can tell. He did introduce me to all his family and friends > > when > > > I > > > > > was there (unlike most current n), and has positive qualities, but he's > > > > just > > > > > looking for a free ride near as I can tell. All this N > > > > > > chit is about to drive me over the edge. Not much sleep last night > and > > > > > > > tonight's not looking much better. Now I have 2 ns hoovering over and > > > around > > > > > me. GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Star Light <stargazingforever@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 4:11 pm > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it > off > > my > > > > > > > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Red flags, red flags!!!!! As long as you are still with your husband, > > > > > living > > > > > like you are, this should be a no no. Seek out female friends and do > some > > > > > > > bonding. That is all I am going to say. I am worried about you Anne! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Star > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:32:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my > > > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I met a guy last winter, in the library of all places. I was > searching > > > for > > > > a > > > > > book on a certain subject as was he. He commented on one I was looking > at > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > we chatted a little bit. The next week when I went back (I'm a quick > > reader > > > > > > > if > > > > > the book interests me) and he was there again. Again we talked and then > > > he > > > > > asked me if I wanted to go get a bite to eat. So, we each took our car > > and > > > > went > > > > > to a diner. He asked about my husband and I asked about his wife. He > > told > > > me > > > > > > > > > he was a widower of 3 years but couldn't bring himself to take off the > > ring. > > > > > > > We > > > > > got together off and on for lunch or to walk the mall. Nothing sexual, > > just > > > > > > > > eating and talking. He listened to me complain about my husband and > even > > > > tried > > > > > to give me advice from where my husband was coming from. Early Spring, > he > > > > > > told > > > > > me he was > > > > > > moving next state over to help his cousin and her daughter. His > cousin > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > lost her job and he was going to help out with finances. We emailed > back > > > and > > > > > forth until the nice weather came and then w hardly talked. He > apologized > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > since he was a contractor I told him I understood. Summer passed with > an > > > > > occasional, "I hope you're doing ok". We did get together once during > the > > > > > > > summer where we both met in the middle and talked some more. Now that > the > > > > > > cold > > > > > weather is here and his job is slowing down again, he has been getting > in > > > > touch > > > > > with me more often. I even agreed to meet him in the middle again. I > > told > > > > him > > > > > how things have been going with hubby and how I missed talking to him > > > because > > > > he > > > > > was my one and only friend since all others hubby knew about were cut > off > > > from > > > > > > > > > me. He actually apologized for not being able to get together more! I > > have > > > > > > > > never heard a guy apologize before!!! He said I > > > > > > seemed upset and he was sorry for not contacting me more often. He > > told > > > me > > > > > > > > > he didn't know things had gotten so bad and it is even sadder that I > have > > > > become > > > > > used to it. He said he never thought he'd say it but I should get a > > > divorce. > > > > I > > > > > told him I was worried about the kids and then he told me about his > > cousin's > > > > > > > > divorce and it's effects on her daughter. Before I left he told me to > > email > > > > > > > him > > > > > if I needed to talk and we would either chat online or get together > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I know what some of you may be thinking. He is still married, > his > > > > cousin > > > > > is really his wife, etc. But I did do 20 questions with him and he gave > > > me > > > > > details on the accident and even showed me the newspaper article. He > > asked > > > if > > > > I > > > > > trusted him and I did tell hiim I was having a hard tiime believing any > > man > > > > > because of hubby. He said he understood. He never asked to come to my > > > house, > > > > > > > > > to go to his house, to go to a hotel/motel, none of > > > > > > that. I think I just might have found a man I can trust! One who > can > > > give > > > > > > > > > me moral support without asking for anything in return, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just had to tell someone and hope you all don't mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, Regina Barnes > > <ginateresawoohoo@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne, I so want that 'dream' too. I guess everybody wants to be > > > wanted. > > > > I > > > > > want a best friend too! I want that giddy feeling that only evolves > into > > > > better > > > > > understanding with the right person.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off > my > > > > > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 10:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not wondering about childhood friends but more about how can I find > > this > > > > > > > > "dream" guy. I still get goosebumps thinking of that dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, "ruthandjim47" <mahhrene@ > > > .> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does sound nice! Bet you are now wondering about your childhood > > > friends! > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My dreams seem to be usually out of a sci-fi/fantasy setting but > the > > > > > > last > > > > > sorta normal dream I had was I was playing with my little one and he > said > > > 'ok > > > > ok > > > > > > you win I will talk!' and I said 'are you going to be a good boy and > > keep > > > > > > > > talking?' and he said 'yes!' and when I asked him why he hadn't talked > > > before, > > > > > > > > > he said he was scared to, but I didn't understand what he was scared of. > I > > > > > am > > > > > now wondering if that is one reason he isn't talking! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, marillaandmatthew > > > <no_reply@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had another dream last night except he wasn't in it at all. In > > > > this > > > > > dream, I was at a casual restaraunt waiting for my date. Supposedly, I > had > > > > > > dated > > > > > him more that once. A woman came up to me and asked if I was waiting for > > > > > someone > > > > > and I told her yes and I looked around the place and there he was > sitting > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > bar watching me with a big smile. He walked up to me, stood behind me , > > > > > caressing my arm, and introduced the woman to me as a childhood > > > > > > friend he hadn't seen for years. We started walking to our table and > > she > > > > > asked us about our relationship and his life. He told her we had been > > dating > > > > > > > for > > > > > a couple of years and that he had 2 daughters. It being a dream, I > > couldn't > > > > see > > > > > his face but saw the salt and pepper hair, felt the spark between us and > > > was > > > > > > > so > > > > > happy! I awoke feeling so wonderful that I closed my eyes trying to get > > back > > > > > > > > into it. I have a son and daughter and know no one with 2 daughters so > it > > > gave > > > > > > > > > me some hope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful dream compared to the previous night! Just > > thought > > > > I'd > > > > > share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, marillaandmatthew > > > > <no_reply@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always tell him to go back to his mother and he gives me a > > > > horrified > > > > > look and asks, "Why would I do that?" I never answer but maybe I should. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, Regina Barnes > > > > > <ginateresawoohoo@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a friend who dated an Iranian and he was the same > > > > > way....always caring for mother and bad mouthing his girlfriend. Why > can't > > > > > > they > > > > > 'cut the umbilical cord'???? I wouldn't handle that very well > > either....when > > > > > > > you > > > > > marry, you start another family...that' s how it is supposed to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, ruthandjim47 <mahhrene@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ruthandjim47 <mahhrene@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get > > > it > > > > off > > > > > my chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > Thursday, October 22, 2009, 12:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow that was a wringer for you to go through. This reminds > me > > of > > > > > > > > some of the times that I had with my ex boyfriend of ten years, an > > Iranian, > > > > and > > > > > I do remember how closely interconnected family and friends are. I > > remember > > > > > frequent all day visits watching him while he visited with several > friend > > > > while > > > > > they all spoke Farsi. Not much fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does sound like he is looking out for himself and not the > > > > > family > > > > > unit, so you are wise to think about those things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wishing a lot of strength to get through your days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, > > > > > > marillaandmatthew <no_reply@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It all happened this past Saturday evening. We came home > > from > > > > > dinner and I went to take care of the fire. I was brushing ashes away > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > door so they wouldn't fall out everytime the door was opened and he > became > > > > > > > irritated with me using the brush and said, "Geez, 'Anne', that's > > something > > > > > 'Shirley' would do" "Shirley" being my mother. I asked him to repeat > > himself > > > > > > > and > > > > > he said it again saying she wouldn't use her brain. I became upset, got > > the > > > > kids > > > > > ready and in bed and then got myself into bed. I didn't want to see him > or > > > > > > talk > > > > > to him and he wasn't about to get off the computer to talk to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 1:30 in the morning I woke up and he wasn't in our bed. > I > > > > > > went > > > > > downstairs to get water and he wasn't there. So, I went back to bed and > > the > > > > next > > > > > morning he is back in bed. I asked him > > > > > > where he was last night and he acted like he didn't know what I was > > > talking > > > > > > > > > about. I told him about me waking up and he then said, "Oh, yea, I went > to > > > > > > > 'insert city here'." I asked him why he didn't tell me and he said he > > didn't > > > > > > > > want to wake me. I laughed and asked why not since he wakes me for sex. > He > > > > > > could > > > > > at least have told me where he was going or that he was going out. I > then > > > > asked > > > > > what he did there and he said he went to a bar and I dropped the > subject. > > > > Okay, > > > > > no big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That afternoon while his brother is over he compliments me > > > on > > > > > something I did and I replied, "Oh, you mean it's not like 'Shirley' > would > > > > > > have > > > > > done?" He ignored it and continued to be charming. So charming a bell > went > > > > > off > > > > > > > > > in my head saying he only acts this way after he goes to a strip club. > > But, > > > > > nooooooo, he wouldn't go after I caught him spending a $1000 last year > at > > > one. > > > > > > > > > Would he? So, in a playful way I asked him > > > > > > if he went to one last night. Of course he asks me why and I tell him > > > > that > > > > he > > > > > is acting like he usually does after going. He admitted to going. I > wanted > > > > > to > > > > > have a blow out with him right there but didn't because his brother was > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After his brother left, he called his mom and talked to > her > > in > > > > > > > > their half English/half Arabic style. Just enough so I could get the > jist > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > conversation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once the kids were in bed, I casually started playing 20 > > > > questions > > > > > with him about the previous night. I shouldn't have had to play that > game > > > but > > > > he > > > > > didn't give away any information freely. Through asking the right > > questions, > > > I > > > > > > > > > found out that he did go to that city and the bar was in the strip club. > > > > What > > > > > kills me is that he could have just told me he went to the strip club > > > instead > > > > of > > > > > telling me it was a bar and then making me have to pull > > > > > > teeth for the information. Then, I questioned his conversation with > his > > > > > > > mother. I asked if he invited her to go with us on our family outing. > (WHY > > > > > > CAN'T > > > > > WE EVER GO AS A NUCLEAR FAMILY? WHY DOES HE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE HER COME > > > > > ALONG?) > > > > > Sorry, had to scream it. He said he didn't so I then asked why he > > suggested > > > > she > > > > > go to an earlier Mass instead of her usual. and his response? "Oh, well > I > > > told > > > > > > > > > her about it but that I had to check with you first." I laughed! "You > did > > > not! > > > > > > > > > My name was never mentioned." "Oh, well is > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that she comes?" Do I have a choice? If I say no he'll > either > > > > ignore > > > > > me or call her and blame it on me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I told him I was really starting to lose trust in him. He > > > > actually > > > > > asked me why so I told him how I shouldn't have to fish around for > > answers. > > > He > > > > > > > > > said again how he didn't want to wake me and that it shouldn't be a big > > > deal. > > > > > So, I > > > > > > through it back in his face asking, "So would it be ok for me to go > out > > > > > in > > > > > the middle of the night without telling you?" He became upset and said I > > > > > > couldn't do that. I tried to persist but he ended it by saying he > wouldn't > > > > > "do > > > > > > > > > it again so end of discussion". And the cherry on top of it all? He went > > > to > > > > the > > > > > strip club because he wasn't getting any at home! He denies getting > > anything > > > > > > > but > > > > > a $4 beer. Weird considering how a year ago he told me a beer was $10. > He > > > says > > > > > > > > > that prices have lowered because of the economy. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fast forward to last night. I had a dream I was being > given > > > the > > > > > silent treatment and that no matter what I did or said I was being > > ignored. > > > I > > > > > couldn't stand being around the kids anymore and kept trying to getaway > > from > > > > > > > > them. I was with my family and went to sit outside being very quiet and > > > > > depressed when a woman about my age with longer and blonder hair came up > > > to > > > > me, > > > > > grabbed > > > > > > my chair to face her and said, "I'm sorry, 'Anne', but someone has to > > > > tell > > > > > you. It's over." In the dream those words were all I needed to hear to > > start > > > > > > > > crying and I awoke crying. He heard me and came into our son's room (son > > > had > > > a > > > > > > > > > bad dream so we had traded beds so he could sleep near Daddy), got into > > bed > > > > next > > > > > to me, wrapped his arms around me and asked what was wrong. I told him I > > > > > > couldn't tell him and he pressured me but I didn't say. I mean, how can > > you > > > > tell > > > > > your "significant other" about that dream? The comforting he was giving > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > even feel like comfort. It felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > more like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he was trying to force himself to be caring. If I didn't > have > > to > > > > > > > get > > > > > up to go on daughter's field trip I know he would have wanted sex. He > was > > > > trying > > > > > to make his move just as I realized what time it was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for allowing me to let it out. 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From: lyndieayn@... <lyndieayn@...>
Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
To: Psychopathsgroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 8:37 AM

 

The judge said stalking is a very serious issue (duh) and I didn't have enough evidence.... ....even though this guy would come to my door late at night.....if I didn't answer, he'd go to my back patio door.  Then he would call and say he was standing outside my house.  He'd go through my mail and put things in my mailbox, which is a federal offense.  If I went out with friends, he would have me followed and have this person report to him what I was doing.  He would drive slowly by my house at night to see if anyone else was here.  On and on.  I don't know what kind of "evidence" they need.  Maybe a bullet in my head would work.

Lyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com>
To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 8:32 am
Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest

What was their reason that they wouldn't grant you one??? I was at the court room with all of these other poor women that were being harrassed and we were talking about how the system seems to fail women in that situation until they're killed.  We've had a few of those types of killings around here in the last year or so. Sad, but true..... --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:02 PM   Wow that's great that you got one.  I was really disappointed that they wouldn't grant one to me.  Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Yes, I was granted one after he sent a text that threatened my safety.  My friends said I should report it.  It was only city wide and once it expired, I tried to get one county wide, but he had moved out of our house and they couldn't find him.  Then, he started flying below the law's radar so I couldn't get him.  He limited his texts and letters to once a month and quit stalking me altogether because he moved to Florida.... --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:52 PM   Yes!!!  Did you try to get a restraining order? Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Mine did that too!  He'd follow me in his truck....show up at restaurants while I was there with friends....show up at clubs when I was out with friends....call and email consitently. ...knock on my doors and windows....go by my families houses....mail letters....mail cards forged with my sons name....send friends to deliver suicide threats....use his sons cellphone to call and send texts...etc etc etc it was terrifying to see the craziness surface once you cut them off..... --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:39 PM   Me too!!!  I'm terrified!  Remember, my xn stalked me but I couldn't get a restraining order even though he'd come to my door at night, go around to the patio door, put stuff in my mailbox, drive by to see if anyone's car was here......on and on.  Actually, I'm scared of him too! Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:34 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest I second that, Lyn!  I'm scared to death of them too!  I SURELY don't want any man knowing where I live.  That's the mistake I made with the EX--N.....and I couldn't get rid of him!!! --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 2:17 PM   That's true........ ..lol  AS IF I would call any of them.  I don't call men and I don't give men my # so here I sit alone and that's fine with me.  I don't want any men to know my number or where I live.  I'm scared to death of men now.  Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:08 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Lyn,   If they see you do it.....all the better to get your point across....LOL   Gina --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:53 PM   Exactly,  I don't know how many guys have given me their cards.  I don't even wait to get home to trash them.  I trash them as I go out the door.  They probably see me do it but who cares? LOL Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Me too, Lyn.  I've had guys come on really strong with their emails....and try to get me to call them or IM them.  I just think that the N's or just complete jerks want to move that fast.  I'm NEVER moving that fast with ANYONE again!  I do not hand out my phone number either.  I've had guys at bars ask me for my number.  I just tell them I don't give out my number, but they can give me theirs.  As soon as I get home....it goes in the trash...LOL   That eliminates the possibility of the drunk guy harrassing you.... --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:49 PM   I think all the ns navigate to the dating sites.  How else are they going to find victims?  I'm so done with it.  I have several guys who've contacted me (like I said, I keep my profiles up to aggravate xn)......but I'm not replying.  I've even had guys write and ask me to give them my phone number!  I never did that even before n!  I guess some women do though.  Sigh Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:43 pm Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Lyn,   I'm with you there!  I won't ever meet anyone from the internet again either!  I've learned that most of them don't put up a current picture and most of them are married or just looking for another bed partner.  I feel like the "good" guys (wherever THEY are...) don't have to browse the internet looking for a woman....   Gina --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:15 PM   I'm laughing so hard lol.  Mine patrols my activity on dating sites too.  I just stay there to aggravate him because I'm sure not going to meet anyone from the internet again.  Barf Used to be, when we were "together" he'd want me to take my profiles down; I said I would if he would.  So, I'd take all mine down but he wouldn't.  He works for the state govt. and I "reported" him......he was informed that he was not to use his work puter for dating sites.  He doesn't have a puter at home, so now he actually will go to a hotel lobby or library.  What a dunce.  What did we ever see in these idiots?????? ?? Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:28 am Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest They are so stupid and so desperate for attention!  Mine said the same thing!!  That he knew it was me....UH HUH....LOL I wouldn't be surprised if the goofball is still snooping on my profiles because he doesn't have a life.  He lives in front of the computer searching for women.  Pitiful.... Painfully embarassing that I fell for an idiot like that....LOL --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:54 AM   I agree!  They are so stupid, aren't they?  I even confronted my xn about it.....actually I did it several times.  He said he knew it was me, that's why he hit on it.  Yeah, right. LOL.  That doesn't even make any kind of sense, even to an n. Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:37 am Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest Lyn,   I did the same thing when I was still semi involved with my exN.  He also hit on it too.  All he did was brag about himself.  That's kinda how I found out who he really is....   So, NO, it doesn't make you an N...it makes you a good investigator. ..LOL   G --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote: From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:24 AM   LOL........haven't had that happen YET but I'm sure it will sooner or later.  Actually both my ns are too stupid to know how to do that......I set up a fake profile on a dating site and my last n hit on it!!!!!!!  Does that make me an n or just a smarter person?  LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL L Lyn -----Original Message----- From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:57 am Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest I've had that done to me, too, saba....by my EX--N.  Posing as someone else on the internet.  I could smell his crap from a mile away!!! --- On Mon, 11/9/09, canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> wrote: From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:43 AM   Depends on how much they care. I had a guy I have dated for a month send me emails now and then. He had red flags all over. The only reason he doesn't send me anymore emails or even calls is because it's been 15 years, and he has no idea where I am. I mean it was one month.... I don't think he cared about me. I think he just wanted more N supply. He was an N to the T. He was writing to me while married to someone else. At one point he came online as someone else and tried to talk to me. I only later found out it was him. --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@.. . wrote: > > > Right, supposedly ignoring them drives them over the edge!!!!!!!! ! > > > > Lyn > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:27 am > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest > > > > > > > > > > > That's true that they do come back. Just keep strong. I've also heard they go > away when you ignore them. > > Saba. > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote: > > > > > > Thanks again, Saba........ haven't heard anything all day......... so hope they > are gone for good!!!! But like I've read, they always come back when they've > lost "supply". That's why the one I met 3 years ago showed up. But I busted > him with his current girlfriend. I hope she's not unhappy with me because I did > her a huge favor. Oh well, life goes on. > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 6:58 pm > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry Lyn honey, that you're having to go through what you are going > > through. I hope they both leave you alone soon. > > > > saba. > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's ok, Saba........ I forget stuff when I'm stressed. I hope you aren't > > getting sick. I haven't felt very well all weekend. Being "attacked" by 2 ns > > > hasn't helped any. All is quiet for now. Hope it's not the lull before the > > storm lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 6:07 pm > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh... sorry. I got it wrong. It wasn't you who was having trouble with > that > > > website, it was someone else... I don't know why I thought it was you. > > > > > > I think I might be coming down with something. Sorry Lyn. > > > > > > Saba. > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Saba, I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean. I plead the 5th though > > because > > > my allergies are driving me nuts..headache and runny eyes, > sneezing.... ...yuk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 10:56 am > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn: How's the issue with the website going? Any resolution? > > > > > > > > Saba. > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That sounds about right....... typical n bs. LOL Haven't heard > anything > > > from > > > > the first n since I wrote to his girlfriend and busted him. I just love > > > busting > > > > ns lol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:50 pm > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone once told me that N's turn women in their lives against each > > other > > > by > > > > > > > > > building one up really high in front of the other. So, the other has to > > > > feel > > > > > she's competing. > > > > > > > > > > Glad to hear your keeping strong. > > > > > > > > > > Saba. > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope........ .told him to get lost. The girlfriend kicked his @ss to > > the > > > > curb > > > > > soooooooooo he wants to come here and live with me.......... ......... .......not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that stupid! But who needs this stress. Thankfully, he doesn't know > > where > > > I > > > > > live!!!!!!!! !! I told him to get on the bus and go back to South > > Carolina. > > > > > > > The > > > > > girlfriend has emailed me totally p**** accusing me of seeing him. I > have > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > seen this rat b**** in 3 years and never will again! Thanks for your > > > support, > > > > > > > > > mother hen lol. I am blocking them both from writing to me; I do not > need > > > > > > this > > > > > stress. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Star Light <stargazingforever@ > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 11:46 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it > off > > my > > > > > > > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just hope you don't return this guys calls!!!! Steer clear of all > > those > > > > > > > > losers!! I worry about everyone, geez, mother hen here!!! LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > Star > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "lyndieayn@" <lyndieayn@> > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 8:54:14 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it > off > > my > > > > > > > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not one to give advice, because I have certainly messed up with > > men. > > > > > > > But > > > > > how can you REALLY trust this guy. See, my N lives two hours away and > led > > a > > > > > > > > double life. If I weren't halfway good at investigation, I would never > > have > > > > > > > > found out he has a girlfriend of 10 years there. Well, I guess I'm d*** > > > > good > > > > at > > > > > investigation because I keep finding more stuff....... .Found pics of him > > > and > > > > > > > her > > > > > dancing on New Year's eve at his country club when he told me he had to > > > work. > > > > I > > > > > sat home alone. AND THIS IS LOVE??? No 2 situations are the same; just > > > be > > > > > careful about whom you give your heart to. I'd hate to see it broken if > > > > this > > > > > guy turns out to be psycho. He may be a perfectly nice man.......and I > > hope > > > > > > > he > > > > > is. Can you find out from public records if he really is a widow? You > > > should > > > > > > > > > be able to find out on line for free by going to his county > > > > > > web site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OKKKKK I told you all the N I knew 3 years ago has reappeared. He > just > > > > called > > > > > and left a voice mail that he wants to leave the woman he moved in with > a > > > > month > > > > > ago. She lives in the same state as I, again, two hours away in another > > > > > > direction. He wants me to PICK HIM UP TOMORROW AND BRING HIM TO MY > > > > > HOUSE!!!!!!! !!!!!!! I met this nut on the internet too. He's from > South > > > > > Carolina and I flew down there to meet him. It was an "instant" > > attraction > > > > > thing. However, he is an alcoholic. He is sober now, but who knows how > > > > long > > > > > that will last. This man is 59 and was very very successful in > > advertising > > > > when > > > > > he was young and out of college with several degrees. But the booze > > ruined > > > > him > > > > > near as I can tell. He did introduce me to all his family and friends > > when > > > I > > > > > was there (unlike most current n), and has positive qualities, but he's > > > > just > > > > > looking for a free ride near as I can tell. All this N > > > > > > chit is about to drive me over the edge. Not much sleep last night > and > > > > > > > tonight's not looking much better. Now I have 2 ns hoovering over and > > > around > > > > > me. GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Star Light <stargazingforever@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 4:11 pm > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it > off > > my > > > > > > > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Red flags, red flags!!!!! As long as you are still with your husband, > > > > > living > > > > > like you are, this should be a no no. Seek out female friends and do > some > > > > > > > bonding. That is all I am going to say. I am worried about you Anne! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Star > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:32:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my > > > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I met a guy last winter, in the library of all places. I was > searching > > > for > > > > a > > > > > book on a certain subject as was he. He commented on one I was looking > at > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > we chatted a little bit. The next week when I went back (I'm a quick > > reader > > > > > > > if > > > > > the book interests me) and he was there again. Again we talked and then > > > he > > > > > asked me if I wanted to go get a bite to eat. So, we each took our car > > and > > > > went > > > > > to a diner. He asked about my husband and I asked about his wife. He > > told > > > me > > > > > > > > > he was a widower of 3 years but couldn't bring himself to take off the > > ring. > > > > > > > We > > > > > got together off and on for lunch or to walk the mall. Nothing sexual, > > just > > > > > > > > eating and talking. He listened to me complain about my husband and > even > > > > tried > > > > > to give me advice from where my husband was coming from. Early Spring, > he > > > > > > told > > > > > me he was > > > > > > moving next state over to help his cousin and her daughter. His > cousin > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > lost her job and he was going to help out with finances. We emailed > back > > > and > > > > > forth until the nice weather came and then w hardly talked. He > apologized > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > since he was a contractor I told him I understood. Summer passed with > an > > > > > occasional, "I hope you're doing ok". We did get together once during > the > > > > > > > summer where we both met in the middle and talked some more. Now that > the > > > > > > cold > > > > > weather is here and his job is slowing down again, he has been getting > in > > > > touch > > > > > with me more often. I even agreed to meet him in the middle again. I > > told > > > > him > > > > > how things have been going with hubby and how I missed talking to him > > > because > > > > he > > > > > was my one and only friend since all others hubby knew about were cut > off > > > from > > > > > > > > > me. He actually apologized for not being able to get together more! I > > have > > > > > > > > never heard a guy apologize before!!! He said I > > > > > > seemed upset and he was sorry for not contacting me more often. He > > told > > > me > > > > > > > > > he didn't know things had gotten so bad and it is even sadder that I > have > > > > become > > > > > used to it. He said he never thought he'd say it but I should get a > > > divorce. > > > > I > > > > > told him I was worried about the kids and then he told me about his > > cousin's > > > > > > > > divorce and it's effects on her daughter. Before I left he told me to > > email > > > > > > > him > > > > > if I needed to talk and we would either chat online or get together > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I know what some of you may be thinking. He is still married, > his > > > > cousin > > > > > is really his wife, etc. But I did do 20 questions with him and he gave > > > me > > > > > details on the accident and even showed me the newspaper article. He > > asked > > > if > > > > I > > > > > trusted him and I did tell hiim I was having a hard tiime believing any > > man > > > > > because of hubby. He said he understood. He never asked to come to my > > > house, > > > > > > > > > to go to his house, to go to a hotel/motel, none of > > > > > > that. I think I just might have found a man I can trust! One who > can > > > give > > > > > > > > > me moral support without asking for anything in return, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just had to tell someone and hope you all don't mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, Regina Barnes > > <ginateresawoohoo@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne, I so want that 'dream' too. I guess everybody wants to be > > > wanted. > > > > I > > > > > want a best friend too! I want that giddy feeling that only evolves > into > > > > better > > > > > understanding with the right person.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off > my > > > > > > chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 10:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not wondering about childhood friends but more about how can I find > > this > > > > > > > > "dream" guy. I still get goosebumps thinking of that dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, "ruthandjim47" <mahhrene@ > > > .> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does sound nice! Bet you are now wondering about your childhood > > > friends! > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My dreams seem to be usually out of a sci-fi/fantasy setting but > the > > > > > > last > > > > > sorta normal dream I had was I was playing with my little one and he > said > > > 'ok > > > > ok > > > > > > you win I will talk!' and I said 'are you going to be a good boy and > > keep > > > > > > > > talking?' and he said 'yes!' and when I asked him why he hadn't talked > > > before, > > > > > > > > > he said he was scared to, but I didn't understand what he was scared of. > I > > > > > am > > > > > now wondering if that is one reason he isn't talking! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. ......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, marillaandmatthew > > > <no_reply@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had another dream last night except he wasn't in it at all. In > > > > this > > > > > dream, I was at a casual restaraunt waiting for my date. Supposedly, I > had > > > > > > dated > > > > > him more that once. A woman came up to me and asked if I was waiting for > > > > > someone > > > > > and I told her yes and I looked around the place and there he was > sitting > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > bar watching me with a big smile. He walked up to me, stood behind me , > > > > > caressing my arm, and introduced the woman to me as a childhood > > > > > > friend he hadn't seen for years. We started walking to our table and > > she > > > > > asked us about our relationship and his life. He told her we had been > > dating > > > > > > > for > > > > > a couple of years and that he had 2 daughters. It being a dream, I > > couldn't > > > > see > > > > > his face but saw the salt and pepper hair, felt the spark between us and > > > was > > > > > > > so > > > > > happy! I awoke feeling so wonderful that I closed my eyes trying to get > > back > > > > > > > > into it. I have a son and daughter and know no one with 2 daughters so > it > > > gave > > > > > > > > > me some hope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a wonderful dream compared to the previous night! Just > > thought > > > > I'd > > > > > share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, marillaandmatthew > > > > <no_reply@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I always tell him to go back to his mother and he gives me a > > > > horrified > > > > > look and asks, "Why would I do that?" I never answer but maybe I should. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, Regina Barnes > > > > > <ginateresawoohoo@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a friend who dated an Iranian and he was the same > > > > > way....always caring for mother and bad mouthing his girlfriend. Why > can't > > > > > > they > > > > > 'cut the umbilical cord'???? I wouldn't handle that very well > > either....when > > > > > > > you > > > > > marry, you start another family...that' s how it is supposed to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, ruthandjim47 <mahhrene@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ruthandjim47 <mahhrene@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get > > > it > > > > off > > > > > my chest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: > > > > > > Thursday, October 22, 2009, 12:06 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wow that was a wringer for you to go through. This reminds > me > > of > > > > > > > > some of the times that I had with my ex boyfriend of ten years, an > > Iranian, > > > > and > > > > > I do remember how closely interconnected family and friends are. I > > remember > > > > > frequent all day visits watching him while he visited with several > friend > > > > while > > > > > they all spoke Farsi. Not much fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does sound like he is looking out for himself and not the > > > > > family > > > > > unit, so you are wise to think about those things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wishing a lot of strength to get through your days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, > > > > > > marillaandmatthew <no_reply@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It all happened this past Saturday evening. We came home > > from > > > > > dinner and I went to take care of the fire. I was brushing ashes away > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > door so they wouldn't fall out everytime the door was opened and he > became > > > > > > > irritated with me using the brush and said, "Geez, 'Anne', that's > > something > > > > > 'Shirley' would do" "Shirley" being my mother. I asked him to repeat > > himself > > > > > > > and > > > > > he said it again saying she wouldn't use her brain. I became upset, got > > the > > > > kids > > > > > ready and in bed and then got myself into bed. I didn't want to see him > or > > > > > > talk > > > > > to him and he wasn't about to get off the computer to talk to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 1:30 in the morning I woke up and he wasn't in our bed. > I > > > > > > went > > > > > downstairs to get water and he wasn't there. So, I went back to bed and > > the > > > > next > > > > > morning he is back in bed. I asked him > > > > > > where he was last night and he acted like he didn't know what I was > > > talking > > > > > > > > > about. I told him about me waking up and he then said, "Oh, yea, I went > to > > > > > > > 'insert city here'." I asked him why he didn't tell me and he said he > > didn't > > > > > > > > want to wake me. I laughed and asked why not since he wakes me for sex. > He > > > > > > could > > > > > at least have told me where he was going or that he was going out. I > then > > > > asked > > > > > what he did there and he said he went to a bar and I dropped the > subject. > > > > Okay, > > > > > no big deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That afternoon while his brother is over he compliments me > > > on > > > > > something I did and I replied, "Oh, you mean it's not like 'Shirley' > would > > > > > > have > > > > > done?" He ignored it and continued to be charming. So charming a bell > went > > > > > off > > > > > > > > > in my head saying he only acts this way after he goes to a strip club. > > But, > > > > > nooooooo, he wouldn't go after I caught him spending a $1000 last year > at > > > one. > > > > > > > > > Would he? So, in a playful way I asked him > > > > > > if he went to one last night. Of course he asks me why and I tell him > > > > that > > > > he > > > > > is acting like he usually does after going. He admitted to going. I > wanted > > > > > to > > > > > have a blow out with him right there but didn't because his brother was > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After his brother left, he called his mom and talked to > her > > in > > > > > > > > their half English/half Arabic style. Just enough so I could get the > jist > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > conversation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once the kids were in bed, I casually started playing 20 > > > > questions > > > > > with him about the previous night. I shouldn't have had to play that > game > > > but > > > > he > > > > > didn't give away any information freely. Through asking the right > > questions, > > > I > > > > > > > > > found out that he did go to that city and the bar was in the strip club. > > > > What > > > > > kills me is that he could have just told me he went to the strip club > > > instead > > > > of > > > > > telling me it was a bar and then making me have to pull > > > > > > teeth for the information. Then, I questioned his conversation with > his > > > > > > > mother. I asked if he invited her to go with us on our family outing. > (WHY > > > > > > CAN'T > > > > > WE EVER GO AS A NUCLEAR FAMILY? WHY DOES HE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE HER COME > > > > > ALONG?) > > > > > Sorry, had to scream it. He said he didn't so I then asked why he > > suggested > > > > she > > > > > go to an earlier Mass instead of her usual. and his response? "Oh, well > I > > > told > > > > > > > > > her about it but that I had to check with you first." I laughed! "You > did > > > not! > > > > > > > > > My name was never mentioned." "Oh, well is > > > > > > > > > > > > > it ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that she comes?" Do I have a choice? If I say no he'll > either > > > > ignore > > > > > me or call her and blame it on me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I told him I was really starting to lose trust in him. He > > > > actually > > > > > asked me why so I told him how I shouldn't have to fish around for > > answers. > > > He > > > > > > > > > said again how he didn't want to wake me and that it shouldn't be a big > > > deal. > > > > > So, I > > > > > > through it back in his face asking, "So would it be ok for me to go > out > > > > > in > > > > > the middle of the night without telling you?" He became upset and said I > > > > > > couldn't do that. I tried to persist but he ended it by saying he > wouldn't > > > > > "do > > > > > > > > > it again so end of discussion". And the cherry on top of it all? He went > > > to > > > > the > > > > > strip club because he wasn't getting any at home! He denies getting > > anything > > > > > > > but > > > > > a $4 beer. Weird considering how a year ago he told me a beer was $10. > He > > > says > > > > > > > > > that prices have lowered because of the economy. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fast forward to last night. I had a dream I was being > given > > > the > > > > > silent treatment and that no matter what I did or said I was being > > ignored. > > > I > > > > > couldn't stand being around the kids anymore and kept trying to getaway > > from > > > > > > > > them. I was with my family and went to sit outside being very quiet and > > > > > depressed when a woman about my age with longer and blonder hair came up > > > to > > > > me, > > > > > grabbed > > > > > > my chair to face her and said, "I'm sorry, 'Anne', but someone has to > > > > tell > > > > > you. It's over." In the dream those words were all I needed to hear to > > start > > > > > > > > crying and I awoke crying. He heard me and came into our son's room (son > > > had > > > a > > > > > > > > > bad dream so we had traded beds so he could sleep near Daddy), got into > > bed > > > > next > > > > > to me, wrapped his arms around me and asked what was wrong. I told him I > > > > > > couldn't tell him and he pressured me but I didn't say. I mean, how can > > you > > > > tell > > > > > your "significant other" about that dream? The comforting he was giving > > > didn't > > > > > > > > > even feel like comfort. It felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > more like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he was trying to force himself to be caring. If I didn't > have > > to > > > > > > > get > > > > > up to go on daughter's field trip I know he would have wanted sex. He > was > > > > trying > > > > > to make his move just as I realized what time it was. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for allowing me to let it out. 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From: seadoolover69 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] This week....
To: Psychopathsgroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 9:19 AM

 

Thanks Gina :) I start feeling so low as people tend to get so
upset with me when i don't remember them. Many years ago now
i once ran into a guy who was so excited to see me and i
didn't know who he was. i asked his name but the name did
nothing for me either... he started to freaking cry because
i didn't remember him. I can't get the imagine out of my head
nor will it leave me alone.

Makes me feel mean for not remembering them, not like i have
a choice about it though. Close friends i remember, i'll
remember most of you guys 10 years down the road! But
many others i meet just don't stick with me. I don't know
why. I should just leave it alone. Internet makes it sooo
hard as so many look ya up and stuff. It isn't easy to
find me through Facebook or Myspace but they find me through
mutual people we knew in school. One of those friends
networks all the old classmates but she's also one of
my oldest and dearest friends.... so hate to throw her off
just because everyone finds me through her.

Bri

--- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ ...> wrote:
>
> Bri,
>  
> I know what you mean about not remembering some of the friends you hung out with years ago.  I have a knack for blocking out certain things in my life and some people from high school....I just don't remember.... just cause.  My sister was killed when I was 11 and I can NOT for the life of me remember much about the funeral.  I can NEVER remember how to get to the cemetary where she is buried....along with my other sister who died as an infant.
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> I believe people come in and out of your life for a reason.  Obviously, you made a difference to some of those people that you have forgotten.  Therefore, your paths crossed for something THEY needed.  Don't feel bad....feel honored that they have held on to your memories for so long.  You gave something to them that they look upon positively.  Whether YOU remember or not....isn't important... .because whatever it is you did back then....meant the world to THEM. 
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> Sooooo.....don' t feel like an ass.  You're making a difference for me too!  I really enjoy reading your posts....you have NO idea.....
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> Gina
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> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, seadoolover69 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> wrote:
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> From: seadoolover69 <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>
> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] This week....
> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:46 PM
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> Gina, that stinks that you had such an experience in church!
> Hubby likes to go to church and i am fine with it so we go
> to his as i don't have one. I wear shorts and a decent top. lol.
> I'm a little bit of a beach bum and i don't wear pants if
> i don't absolutely have too, and the only time i think i have
> too is when it's cold out. Living in southern Florida, not
> that often thank goodness! Hubby used to get upset at me but
> i told him he had two choices. Leave me at home, or accept
> it. Church shouldn't be about the clothing in my opinion
> and if someone wants to judge me on my clothing, then it
> helps me weed them out right away. :) I have the nice business
> suits, nice dresses and all that crap for our company.
> I wear that sort of stuff when we go to the big conventions
> and crap. But not if i don't have too. I figure God doesn't
> care what i wear and if He doesn't.. than no one else should!
>
> My biggest problem with old school mates is that they
> all loved me. I was the best friend they ever had....
> and i really honestly remember so few of them. They
> talk about something we did as the best times of their
> life and i can't even remember the thing at all.
>
> My life has moved on and honestly... every year of my life
> has been better and more fun than the last.. ok almost every
> year. I've moved around a lot and had a ton of friends in
> different places and i my childhood wasn't good for me.
> I worked through most of it and then left it behind me.
> I remember the turmoil not making certain everyone was
> having the time of their life.
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> I had two lives really back then. One that i allowed around
> my family and the other that i did not. Those few i did
> not were my deepest and truest friends and a few of them
> i still have to this day. They lived in hells of their
> own growing up and we shared that. These other friends
> all thought my life was so perfect and great. They thought
> my family was great and have such fond memories of it all.
> My dad was nice because he allowed parties at the house,
> allowed for kids to spend the night and allowed people
> to eat over whenever they wanted too. Yeah, my dad didn't
> care one way or the other. he wasn't nice, he just wasn't
> there emotionally. He didn't care enough to be involved in
> the life we were living. My mom is a wonderful actress and
> most do believe she's a wonderful person, especially those
> that had shorter spans in our lives. Those she also felt
> weren't up to par with her and didn't bother to have
> friendships with also ended up being left with great memories
> of her. My mom can be the most wonderful woman you have
> ever met. She can be intelligent, witty and quite charming.
> She can suck you in quite well and if she so chooses can
> keep you distant enough to never get burned. The ones she
> feels worthy..... those are the ones she destroys.
>
> Half of my life back then was spent keeping kids and adults
> away from my mother. Making sure my mom would know things
> about these people to make them seem unworthy of her full
> attention.
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> And then after they tell me how wonderful i made life and
> that their best memories are from that time, i get the
> speech of how badly i hurt them when i cut them out of
> my life. I often threw out those i felt got too close to
> knowing my real life. I am sorry that they were so hurt,
> and i feel awful for not remembering them all... but i
> had my own hell to deal with. I don't know. I feel like
> an ass no matter what. Each person who finds me brings
> another reason to reflect upon how i hurt people.
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> I'm certain in 20 years those friends i threw out recently
> will come back to haunt me too. I probably won't remember
> them worth a crap either, people fade away when i remove
> them from my life. There are friends i'll never forget and
> then there were the hanger oners. I didn't dislike them...
> i liked many.. but i don't know how to explain it...
> Making me feel like i am a horrible person to have forgotten
> them all.
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> I try to explain i moved to another state when i was 16 and
> started an entirely new life and had just as many "friends"
> there as i did back in the home state. Then i moved back
> to the home state and got an entirely new set of friends
> all over again, then moved to another state and got an
> entire new set of friends there too. Each was a step for
> me, leaving a little bit behind and being more me in life.
> Leaving the old and ringing in the real.
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> I don't know.... It is so darned easy to feel like a bad
> person when you've been abused. That's all i know for certain!
>
> --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ ...> wrote:
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> > So sorry, Bri.  I don't like religion crammed down my throat either.  I have a good relationship with God and I deal with that in my way.  In my past experiences as a child, I've found that there are many hypocryts in churches.  I was looked down upon because I wore pants as a teenager to church.  I wanted to cry and run out of there....they were new pants that I was proud of....until then.  Now, I attend a very small church....but not on a regular basis. 
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> > As far as high school friends....usually you can't catch up that far.  I've learned that.  It's cool to see pics of their lives all grown with kids of their own....but you just can't go back and grasp the friendship that you had all those years ago....most of the time.
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> > I'm on facebook and myspace but I'm very careful who I allow on there....
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> > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, seadoolover69 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com> wrote:
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> > From: seadoolover69 <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] This week....
> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:49 PM
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> > Sorry i haven't been around as much, dealing with a few
> > things. One major thing is a best friend i had from school
> > contacted me this week. Found me through classmates.com and
> > then asked me to find her on facebook... so i did. Now i am
> > wondering if that was intelligent? I recently got rid of
> > so many friends on there and have really weeded out the
> > people in my life. She moved when i was 13 and in my hurt at
> > her moving, i hurt her. Something she brought up and remembered.. .
> > well... i wasn't in a good place when i was young. It felt
> > like she was leaving me on purpose and i got hurtful, i was
> > a child who wasn't coping well with the family i had.
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> > But now she also wants to be best friends and even lives
> > in the same state i do and wants to get together. UGH.
> > I could mention she's ubber religious to top it off and
> > half of her emails (she's been sending me longer emails
> > than what i post on here!!!) are about God, Jesus and
> > her beliefs or how He is moving in her life. I have a
> > very good relationship with God but i don't like religion
> > crammed down my throat. Especially on days like today when
> > a storm is brewing out in the gulf and my hip throbs in
> > pain to it or something. Woke up so sore i couldn't take it
> > and actually had to stoop to taking about of pain meds. ICK!
> >
> > I thought it would be fun catching up a little... but i
> > really don't want another best friend. I don't really
> > want to get to know her this much... she says she has
> > always thought of me as her long lost sister!?! I am
> > worried a little. I have fond memories of her, but i
> > wouldn't go so far as to ever thinking about locating
> > her. She remembers we were best friends, i remember
> > us as friends only. I remember having a few best friends
> > from back then, two of which are still my best friends to
> > this day. I feel like an ass though, for not remembering
> > her in the same way.
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> > I think i hate classmates.com and Facebook! All i get is
> > a ton of people who remember me and i don't remember them!
> > One girl said she was a close friend through jr. high
> > and now thinks it's funny as i married a man with the
> > same last name as her maiden name. Isn't that funny?
> > Uh.. i was like.. who are you? I had to ask my one best
> > friend and she was like.. she used to hang out with us
> > all the tiem. I have no recollection of her... or many of
> > the people i went to school with. I'm sorry, but i don't.
> > I remember those most important to me and i do remember
> > this new chick... but not in the levels that she does and i
> > feel like i must be a bad person over it all.
> >
> > My husband remembers the siblings of the people he went to
> > school with, even if they weren't that much of friends! I can't
> > remember the people i was friends with, let alone their
> > siblings!!!!
> >
> > I feel like i stepped in it now. I'm working on handling it
> > but i don't know how to handle it really yet either.
> >
> > Bri
> >
>

From: seadoolover69 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
To: Psychopathsgroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 9:31 AM

 

Lyn, that's why you have to be slightly rude up front.
A date is a date and it entitles you to nothing. Saying
it up front always helpful. Then tell them that you are
going to pay half the bill for the first few dates to see
how it even goes. :)

I used to be known as a bit of a bitch in the bars when i
used to go to them. My friends and i often put up a small
cardboard sign that says sending over a drink entitles you
to nothing more than a smile. People thought we were crazy
but it weeded out tons of jerks from the git go.

It is often true the moment you stop looking more start
appearing that are half way decent guys. Kind of like
getting pregnant... work hard at it and it doesn't happen
very easily.... just go out and have fun and forget about
it and wham.... :)

Bri

--- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@.. . wrote:
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> Yeah, they think if they buy you a drink and a 20 dollar dinner they should get sex. Stupid men
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ ...>
> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 2:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
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> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@.. . <lyndieayn@. ..> wrote:
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> From: lyndieayn@.. . <lyndieayn@. ..>
> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:55 PM
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com>
> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 1:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
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> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com> wrote:
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> From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
> To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:07 PM
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> --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ . wrote:
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> > I think all the ns navigate to the dating sites. How else are they going to find victims? I'm so done with it. I have several guys who've contacted me (like I said, I keep my profiles up to aggravate xn)......but I'm not replying. I've even had guys write and ask me to give them my phone number! I never did that even before n! I guess some women do though. Sigh
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@
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> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:43 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
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> > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@ . <lyndieayn@ ..> wrote:
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> > From: lyndieayn@ . <lyndieayn@ ..>
> > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:15 PM
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> > Used to be, when we were "together" he'd want me to take my profiles down; I said I would
> if he would. So, I'd take all mine down but he wouldn't.
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> > He works for the state govt. and I "reported" him......he was informed that he was not to use his work puter for dating sites. He doesn't have a puter at home, so now he actually will go to a hotel lobby or library. What a dunce. What did we ever see in these idiots?????? ??
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com>
> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 11:28 am
> > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
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> > I wouldn't be surprised if the goofball is still snooping on my profiles because he doesn't have a life. He lives in front of the computer searching for women. Pitiful....
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> > Painfully embarassing that I fell for an idiot like that....LOL
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> > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote:
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> > From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com>
> > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:54 AM
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> that's why he hit on it. Yeah, right. LOL. That doesn't even make any kind of sense, even to an n.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com>
> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 10:37 am
> > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
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> > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com> wrote:
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> > From: lyndieayn@aol. com <lyndieayn@aol. com>
> > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:24 AM
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@ yahoo.com>
> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:57 am
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> > --- On Mon, 11/9/09, canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com> wrote:
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> > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my chest
> > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:43 AM
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> > He was an N to the T. He was writing to me while married to someone else. At one point he came online as someone else and tried to talk to me. I only later found out it was him.
> >
> > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ . wrote:
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> > > Right, supposedly ignoring them drives them over the edge!!!!!!!! !
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:
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> canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:27 am
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> > > Saba.
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> > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote:
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> > > > Thanks again, Saba........ haven't heard
> > anything all day......... so hope they
> > > are gone for good!!!! But like I've read, they always come back when they've
> > > lost "supply". That's why the one I met 3 years ago showed up. But I busted
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> him with his current girlfriend. I hope she's not unhappy with me because I did
> > > her a huge favor. Oh well, life goes on.
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 6:58 pm
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> > > > saba.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote:
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> > > > > It's ok, Saba........ I forget stuff when I'm stressed. I hope you aren't
> > > > getting sick. I haven't felt very well all weekend. Being "attacked" by 2 ns
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> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
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> > > Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 6:07 pm
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> > > > > I think I might be coming down with something. Sorry Lyn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Saba.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saba, I'm sorry, I
> don't know what you mean. I plead the 5th though
> > > > because
> > > > > my allergies are driving me nuts..headache and runny eyes,
> > > sneezing.... ...yuk.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lyn
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 10:56 am
> > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my
> > > chest
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lyn: How's the issue with the website going? Any resolution?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saba.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That sounds about right....... typical n bs. LOL Haven't heard
> > > anything
> > > > > from
> > > > > > the first n since I wrote to his girlfriend and busted him. I just love
> > > > > busting
> > > > > > ns lol.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > Lyn
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: canadiansaba <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > > Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 7:50 pm
> > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my
> > > > chest
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Someone once told me that N's turn women in their lives against each
> > > > other
> > > > > by
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > building one up really high in front of the other. So, the other has to
> > >
> > > > > feel
> > > > > > > she's competing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Glad to hear your keeping strong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saba.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, lyndieayn@ wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nope........ .told him to get lost. The girlfriend kicked his @ss to
> > > > the
> > > > > > curb
> > > > > > >
> soooooooooo he wants to come here and live with me.......... ......... .......not
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > that stupid! But who needs this stress. Thankfully, he doesn't know
> > > > where
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > live!!!!!!!! !! I told him to get on the bus and go back to South
> > > > Carolina.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > girlfriend has emailed me totally p**** accusing me of seeing him. I
> > > have
> > > >
> > > > > not
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > seen this rat b**** in 3 years and never will again! Thanks for your
> > > > > support,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > mother hen lol. I am blocking them both from writing to
> me; I do not
> > > need
> > > >
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > stress.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lyn
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Star Light <stargazingforever@ >
> > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 11:46 am
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it
> > > off
> > > > my
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > chest
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lyn,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just hope you don't return this guys calls!!!! Steer clear of all
> >
> > > > those
> > > > >
> > > > > > > losers!! I worry about everyone, geez, mother hen here!!! LOL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hugs,
> > > > > > > > Star
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: "lyndieayn@" <lyndieayn@>
> > > > > >
> > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 8:54:14 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it
> > > off
> > > > my
> > > > >
> > > > > > > chest
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm not one to give advice, because I have certainly messed up with
> > > > men.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > But
> > > > > > > how can you REALLY trust this guy. See, my N lives two hours away and
> > > led
> > > > a
> > > > >
> > > > > > > double life. If I weren't halfway good at investigation, I would never
> > > > have
> > > > >
> > > > > > > found out he has a
> girlfriend of 10 years there. Well, I guess I'm d***
> > >
> > > > > good
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > investigation because I keep finding more stuff....... .Found pics of him
> > >
> > > > and
> > > > >
> > > > > > her
> > > > > > > dancing on New Year's eve at his country club when he told me he had to
> > > > > work.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > sat home alone. AND THIS IS LOVE??? No 2 situations are the same; just
> > >
> > > > be
> > > > > > > careful about whom
> > you give your heart to. I'd hate to see it broken if
> > >
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > guy turns out to be psycho. He may be a perfectly nice man.......and I
> > > > hope
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > he
> > > > > > > is. Can you find out from public records if he really is a widow? You
> > > > > should
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > be able to find out on line for free by going to his county
> > > > > > > > web site.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > OKKKKK I told you all the N I knew 3 years ago has reappeared. He
> > > just
> > > > > > called
> > > > > > > and left a voice mail that he wants to leave the woman he moved in with
> > > a
> > > > > > month
> > > > > > > ago. She lives in
> > the same state as I, again, two hours away in another
> > >
> > > > > > > direction. He wants me to PICK HIM UP TOMORROW AND
> BRING HIM TO MY
> > > > > > > HOUSE!!!!!!! !!!!!!! I met this nut on the internet too. He's from
> > > South
> > > > > > > Carolina and I flew down there to meet him. It was an "instant"
> > > > attraction
> > > > > > > thing. However, he is an alcoholic. He is sober now, but who knows how
> > >
> > > > > long
> > > > > > > that will last. This man is 59 and was very very successful in
> > > > advertising
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > > he was young and out of college with several degrees. But the booze
> > > > ruined
> > > > > > him
> > > > > > > near as I can tell. He did introduce me to all his family and friends
> > > > when
> > > > > I
> > > >
> > > > > was there (unlike most current n),
> and has positive qualities, but he's
> > >
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > looking for a free ride near as I can tell. All this N
> > > > > > > > chit is about to drive me over the edge. Not much sleep last night
> > > and
> > > >
> > > > > > > tonight's not looking much better. Now I have 2 ns hoovering over and
> > > > > around
> > > > > > > me. GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZ
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> >
> > > > > > > Lyn
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Star Light <stargazingforever@ >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > > Sent:
> > Fri, Nov 6, 2009 4:11 pm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it
> > > off
> > > > my
> > > > >
> > > > > > > chest
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Red flags, red flags!!!!! As long as you are still with your husband,
> > >
> > > > > >
> living
> > > > > > > like you are, this should be a no no. Seek out female friends and do
> > > some
> > > >
> > > > > > > bonding. That is all I am going to say. I am worried about you Anne!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hugs,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Star
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: marillaandmatthew
> <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:32:35 PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my
> > >
> > > > > chest
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I met a guy last winter, in the library of all places. I was
> > > searching
> > > > > for
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > book on a certain subject as was he. He commented on one I was looking
> > > at
> > > >
> > > > > and
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > we chatted a little bit. The next week when I went back (I'm a quick
> > > > reader
> > > > >
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > the book interests me) and he was there again. Again we talked and then
> > >
> > > > he
> >
> > > > > > > asked me if I wanted to go get a bite to eat. So, we each took our car
> > > > and
> > > > > > went
> > > > > > > to a diner. He asked about my husband and I asked about his wife. He
> > > > told
> > > > > me
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > he was a widower of 3 years but couldn't bring himself to take off the
> > > > ring.
> > > > >
> > > > > > We
> > > > > > > got together off and on for lunch or to walk the mall. Nothing
> sexual,
> > > > just
> > > > >
> > > > > > > eating and talking. He listened to me complain about my husband and
> > > even
> > > > > > tried
> > > > > > > to give me advice from where my husband was coming from. Early Spring,
> > > he
> > > >
> > > > > > told
> > > > > > > me he was
> > > > >
> > > > > moving next state over to help his cousin and her daughter. His
> > > cousin
> > > >
> > > > > had
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > lost her job and he was going to help out with finances. We emailed
> > > back
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > forth until the nice weather came and then w hardly talked. He
> > > apologized
> > > >
> > > > > but
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > since he was a contractor I told him I understood. Summer passed with
> > > an
> > > > > > > occasional, "I hope you're doing ok". We did get together once during
> > > the
> > > >
> > > > > > > summer where we both met in the middle and talked some more. Now that
> > > the
> > > >
> > > > > > cold
> > > > > > > weather is here and his job is slowing down again, he has been getting
> > > in
> >
> > > > > > touch
> > > > > > > with me more often. I even agreed to meet him in the middle again. I
> > > > told
> > > > > > him
> > > > > > > how things have been going with hubby and how I missed talking to him
> > > > > because
> > > > > > he
> > >
> > > > > was my one and only friend since all others hubby knew about were cut
> > > off
> > > > > from
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > me. He actually apologized for not being able to get together more! I
> > > > have
> > > > >
> > > > > > > never heard a guy apologize before!!! He said I
> > > > > > > > seemed upset and he was sorry for not contacting me more often. He
> > > > told
> > > > > me
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > he didn't know things had gotten so bad and it is even sadder that I
> >
> > > have
> > > > > > become
> > > > > > > used to it. He said he never thought he'd say it but I should get a
> > > > > divorce.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > told him I was
> worried about the kids and then he told me about his
> > > > cousin's
> > > > >
> > > > > > > divorce and it's effects on her daughter. Before I left he told me to
> > > > email
> > > > >
> > > > > > him
> > > > > > > if I needed to talk and we would either chat online or get together
> > > again.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now, I know what some of you may be thinking. He is still married,
> > > his
> > > > > > cousin
> > > > > > > is really his wife, etc. But I did do 20 questions with him and he gave
> >
> > >
> > > > me
> > > > > > > details on the accident and even showed me the newspaper article. He
> > > > asked
>
> > > > > if
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > trusted him and I did tell hiim I was having a hard tiime believing any
> > > > man
> > > > > > > because of hubby. He said he understood. He never asked to come to my
> > > > > house,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > to go to his house, to go to a hotel/motel, none of
> > > > > > > > that. I think I just might have found a man I can trust! One who
> > > can
> > > > > give
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > me moral support without asking for anything in return,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just had to tell someone and hope you all
> > don't mind.
> > > > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anne
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, Regina Barnes
> > > > <ginateresawoohoo@ >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anne, I so want that 'dream' too. I guess everybody wants to be
> > > > > wanted.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > want a best friend too! I want that giddy feeling that only evolves
> > > into
> > > > > > better
> >
> > > > > > > understanding with the right
> person....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off
> > >
> > my
> > > >
> > > > > > chest
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 10:00 PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Not wondering about childhood friends but more about how can I
> > find
> > > > this
> > > > >
> > > > > > > "dream" guy. I still get goosebumps thinking of that dream.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Anne
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, "ruthandjim47" <mahhrene@
> > >
> > > > .>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Does sound nice! Bet you are now wondering about your childhood
> > > > > friends!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My dreams seem to be usually out
> of a sci-fi/fantasy setting but
> > > the
> > > >
> > > > > > last
> > > > > > > sorta normal dream I had was I was playing with my little one and he
> > > said
> > > > > 'ok
> > > > > > ok
> > > > > > > > you win I will talk!' and I said 'are you going to be a good boy and
> > > > keep
> > > > >
> > > > > > > talking?' and he said 'yes!' and when I asked him why he hadn't talked
> > > > > before,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > he said he was scared to, but I didn't understand what he was scared of.
> > > I
> > > >
> > > > > am
> > > > > > > now wondering if that is one reason he isn't talking!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. .........
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, marillaandmatthew
> > > > > <no_reply@>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I had another dream last night except he wasn't in it at all. In
> > >
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > dream, I
> was at a casual restaraunt waiting for my date. Supposedly, I
> > > had
> > > >
> > > > > > dated
> >
> > > > > > > him more that once. A woman came up to me and asked if I was waiting for
> > >
> > > > > > someone
> > > > > > > and I told her yes and I looked around the place and there he was
> > > sitting
> > > > at
> > > > >
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > bar watching me with a big smile. He walked up to me, stood behind me ,
> > > > > > > caressing my arm, and introduced the woman to me as a childhood
> > > > > > > > friend he hadn't seen for years. We started walking to our table and
> > > > she
> > > > > > > asked us about our relationship and his life. He told her we had been
> > > > dating
>
> > > > >
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > a couple of years and that he had 2 daughters. It being a dream, I
> > > > couldn't
> > > > > > see
> > > > >
> > > > his face but saw the salt and pepper hair, felt the spark between us and
> > >
> > > > was
> > > > >
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > happy! I awoke feeling so wonderful that I closed my eyes trying to get
> > > > back
> > > > >
> > > > > > > into it. I have a son and daughter and know no one with 2 daughters so
> > > it
> > > > > gave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > me some hope.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > What a wonderful dream compared to the previous night! Just
> > > > thought
> > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > share.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > Anne
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, marillaandmatthew
> > > > > > <no_reply@>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I always tell him to go back to his mother and he
> gives me a
> > > > > > horrified
> > > > > > > look and asks, "Why would I do that?" I never answer but maybe I should.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anne
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, Regina Barnes
> > > > > > > <ginateresawoohoo@ > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a friend who dated an Iranian and
> he was the same
> > > > > > > way....always caring for mother and bad mouthing his girlfriend. Why
> > > can't
> > > >
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > 'cut the umbilical cord'???? I wouldn't handle that very well
> > > > either....when
> > > > >
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > marry, you start another family...that' s how it is supposed to be.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, ruthandjim47 <mahhrene@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ruthandjim47 <mahhrene@>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get
> > >
> > > > it
> > > > > > off
> > > > > > > my chest
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > Date:
> > > > > > > > Thursday, October 22, 2009, 12:06 AM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wow that was a wringer for you to go through. This reminds
> > > me
> > > > of
> > > > >
> > > > > > > some of the times that I had with my ex boyfriend of ten years, an
> > > > Iranian,
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > > > > > I do remember how closely interconnected family and friends are. I
> > > > remember
> > > > > > > frequent all day
> visits watching him while he visited with several
> > > friend
> > > > > > while
> > > > > > > they all spoke Farsi. Not much fun.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It does sound like he is looking out for himself and not the
> > >
> > > > > > family
> > > > > > > unit, so you are wise to think about those things.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wishing a lot of strength to get through your days.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com,
> > > > > > > > marillaandmatthew <no_reply@ .> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It all happened this past Saturday evening. We came home
> > > > from
> > > > > > > dinner and I went to take care of the fire. I was brushing ashes away
> > > from
> > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > door so they wouldn't fall out everytime the door was opened and he
> > > became
> > > >
> > > > > > > irritated with me using the brush and said, "Geez, 'Anne', that's
> > >
> >
> > something
> > > > > > > 'Shirley' would do" "Shirley" being my mother. I asked him to repeat
> > > > himself
> > > > >
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > he said it again saying she wouldn't use her brain. I became upset, got
> > > > the
> > > > > > kids
> > > > > > > ready and in bed and then got myself into bed. I didn't want to see him
> > > or
> > > >
> > > > > > talk
> > > > > > > to him and he wasn't about to get off the computer to talk to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 1:30 in the morning I woke up and he wasn't in our bed.
> > > I
> > > >
> >
> > > > > went
> > > > > > > downstairs to get water and he wasn't there. So, I
> > went back to bed and
> > > > the
> > > > > > next
> > > > > > > morning he is back in bed. I asked him
> > > > > > > > where he was last night and he acted like he didn't know what I was
> > > > > talking
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > about. I told him about me waking up and he then said, "Oh, yea, I went
> > > to
> > > >
> > > > > > > 'insert city here'." I asked him why he didn't tell me and he said he
> > > > didn't
> > > > >
> > > > > > > want to wake me. I laughed and asked why not since he wakes me for sex.
> > > He
> > > >
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > at least have told me
> where he was going or that he was going out. I
> > > then
> > > > > > asked
> > > > > > > what he did there and he said he went to a bar and I dropped the
> > > subject.
> >
> > > > > > Okay,
> > > > > > > no big deal.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That afternoon while his brother is over he compliments me
> > >
> > > > on
> > > > > > > something I did and I replied, "Oh, you mean it's not like 'Shirley'
> > > would
> > > >
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > done?" He ignored it and continued to be charming. So charming a bell
> > > went
> > > >
> > > > >
> off
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > in my head saying he only acts this way after he goes to a strip club.
> > > > But,
> > > > > > > nooooooo, he wouldn't go after I caught him spending a $1000 last year
> > > at
> > > > > one.
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > > Would he? So, in a playful way I asked him
> > > > > > > > if he went to one last night. Of course he asks me why and I tell him
> > >
> > > > > that
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > is acting like he usually does after going. He admitted to going. I
> > > wanted
> > > >
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > have a blow out with him right there but didn't because his brother was
> > > > > here.
> > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > After his brother left, he called his mom and talked to
> > > her
> > > > in
> > > > >
> > > > > > > their half English/half Arabic style. Just enough so I could get the
> > > jist
> > > > of
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > conversation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once the kids were in bed, I casually started playing 20
> > > > > > questions
> > > > > > > with him about the previous night. I shouldn't have had to play that
> > >
> game
> > > > > but
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > didn't give away any information freely. Through asking the right
> > > > questions,
> > > > > I
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > found out that he did go to that city and the bar was in the strip club.
> > >
> > > > > What
> > > > > > > kills me is that he could have just told me he went to the strip club
> > > > > instead
> > > > > > of
> >
> > > > > > > telling me it was a bar and then making me have to pull
> > > > > > > > teeth for the information. Then, I questioned his conversation with
> > > his
> > > >
> > > > > > > mother. I asked if he invited her to go with us on our family outing.
> > > (WHY
> > > >
> > >
> > > > CAN'T
> > > > > > > WE EVER GO AS A NUCLEAR FAMILY? WHY DOES HE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE HER COME
> > >
> > > > > > ALONG?)
> > > > > > > Sorry, had to scream it. He said he didn't so I then asked why he
> > > > suggested
> > > > > > she
> > > > > > > go to an earlier Mass instead of her usual. and his response? "Oh, well
> > > I
> > > > > told
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > her about it but that I had to check with you first." I laughed! "You
> > > did
> > > > > not!
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > My name was never mentioned." "Oh, well is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it ok
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > that she comes?" Do I have a choice? If I say no he'll
> > > either
> > > > > > ignore
> > > > > > > me or call her and blame it on me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I told him I was really starting to lose trust in him. He
> > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > asked me why so I told him how I shouldn't have to fish around for
> > > > answers.
> > > > > He
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > said again how he didn't want to wake me and that it shouldn't
> > be a big
> > > > > deal.
> > > > > > > So, I
> > > > > > > > through it back in his face asking, "So would it be ok for
> me to go
> > > out
> > > >
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the middle of the night without telling you?" He became upset and said I
> > >
> > > > > > > couldn't do that. I tried to persist but he ended it by saying he
> > > wouldn't
> > > >
> > > > > "do
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > it again so end of discussion". And the cherry on top of it all? He went
> > >
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > strip club because he wasn't getting any at home! He denies getting
> > > > anything
> > > > >
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > a $4 beer. Weird considering how a year ago he told me a beer was $10.
> > > He
> > > > > says
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > that prices have lowered because of the economy. LOL
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fast forward to last night. I had a dream I was being
> > > given
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > silent treatment and that no matter what I did or said I was being
> > > > ignored.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > couldn't stand being around the kids anymore and kept trying to getaway
> > > > from
> > > > >
> > > > > > > them. I was with my family and went to sit outside being very quiet and
> > > > > > > depressed when a woman about my age with longer and blonder hair came up
> > >
> > > > to
> > > > > >
> me,
> > > > > > >
> > grabbed
> > > > > > > > my chair to face her and said, "I'm sorry, 'Anne', but someone has to
> > >
> > > > > tell
> > > > > > > you. It's over." In the dream those words were all I needed to hear to
> > > > start
> > > > >
> > > > > > > crying and I awoke crying. He heard me and came into our son's room (son
> > >
> > > > had
> > > > > a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > bad dream so we had traded beds so he could sleep near Daddy), got into
> > > > bed
> > > > > > next
> > > > > > > to me, wrapped his arms around me and asked what was wrong. I told him I
> > >
> > > > > > > couldn't tell him and he pressured me but I didn't say. I mean, how can
> > > >
> you
> > > > > > tell
> > > > > > > your "significant other" about that dream? The comforting he was giving
> >
> > > > > didn't
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > even feel like comfort. It felt
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > more like
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > he was trying to force himself to be caring. If I didn't
> > > have
> > > > to
> > > > >
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > up to go on daughter's field trip I know he would have wanted sex. He
> > > was
> > > > > > trying
> > > > > > > to make his move just as I realized what time it was.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for allowing me to let it out. I have 36 hours of
> > > > free
> > > > > > time
> > > > >
> > > > > from him while he is on another trip. Maybe I can catch up on the
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