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> > HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I met this nut on the internet too. He's from South 































































































































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> > > To: Psychopathsgroup@yahoogroups.com































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 2:32:35 PM































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my 































































































































chest































































































































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> > > I met a guy last winter, in the library of all places. I was searching 































































































































for 































































































































> a 































































































































> > book on a certain subject as was he. He commented on one I was looking at 































































































































and 































































































































> 































































































































> > we chatted a little bit. The next week when I went back (I'm a quick reader 































































































































































































































































> if 































































































































> > the book interests me) and he was there again. Again we talked and then he 































































































































> > asked me if I wanted to go get a bite to eat. So, we each took our car and 































































































































> went 































































































































> > to a diner. He asked about my husband and I asked about his wife. He told 































































































































me 































































































































> 































































































































> > he was a widower of 3 years but couldn't bring himself to take off the ring. 































































































































































































































































> We 































































































































> > got together off and on for lunch or to walk the mall. Nothing sexual, just 































































































































































































































































> > eating and talking. He listened to me complain about my husband and even 































































































































> tried 































































































































> > to give me advice from where my husband was coming from. Early Spring, he 































































































































> told 































































































































> > me he was































































































































> > > moving next state over to help his cousin and her daughter. His cousin 































































































































had 































































































































> 































































































































> > lost her job and he was going to help out with finances. We emailed back 































































































































and 































































































































> > forth until the nice weather came and then w hardly talked. He apologized 































































































































but 































































































































> 































































































































> > since he was a contractor I told him I understood. Summer passed with an 































































































































> > occasional, "I hope you're doing ok". We did get together once during the 































































































































> > summer where we both met in the middle and talked some more. Now that the 































































































































> cold 































































































































> > weather is here and his job is slowing down again, he has been getting in 































































































































> touch 































































































































> > with me more often. I even agreed to meet him in the middle again. I told 































































































































> him 































































































































> > how things have been going with hubby and how I missed talking to him 































































































































because 































































































































> he 































































































































> > was my one and only friend since all others hubby knew about were cut off 































































































































from 































































































































> 































































































































> > me. He actually apologized for not being able to get together more! I have 































































































































































































































































> > never heard a guy apologize before!!! He said I































































































































> > > seemed upset and he was sorry for not contacting me more often. He told 































































































































me 































































































































> 































































































































> > he didn't know things had gotten so bad and it is even sadder that I have 































































































































> become 































































































































> > used to it. He said he never thought he'd say it but I should get a 































































































































divorce. 































































































































> I 































































































































> > told him I was worried about the kids and then he told me about his cousin's 































































































































































































































































> > divorce and it's effects on her daughter. Before I left he told me to email 































































































































































































































































> him 































































































































> > if I needed to talk and we would either chat online or get together again.































































































































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> > > 































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > Now, I know what some of you may be thinking. He is still married, his 































































































































> cousin 































































































































> > is really his wife, etc. But I did do 20 questions with him and he gave me 































































































































> > details on the accident and even showed me the newspaper article. He asked 































































































































if 































































































































> I 































































































































> > trusted him and I did tell hiim I was having a hard tiime believing any man 































































































































> > because of hubby. He said he understood. He never asked to come to my 































































































































house, 































































































































> 































































































































> > to go to his house, to go to a hotel/motel, none of































































































































> > > that. I think I just might have found a man I can trust! One who can 































































































































give 































































































































> 































































































































> > me moral support without asking for anything in return,































































































































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> > > 































































































































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> > > I just had to tell someone and hope you all don't mind.































































































































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> > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@yahoogroups.com, Regina Barnes <ginateresawoohoo@> 































































































































































































































































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> > > > Anne, I so want that 'dream' too. I guess everybody wants to be 































































































































wanted. 































































































































> I 































































































































> > want a best friend too! I want that giddy feeling that only evolves into 































































































































> better 































































































































> > understanding with the right person.... 































































































































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> > > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> 































































































































wrote:































































































































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> > > > From: marillaandmatthew <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it off my 































































































































> chest































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@yahoogroups.com































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 10:00 PM































































































































> > > 































































































































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> > > > Not wondering about childhood friends but more about how can I find this 































































































































































































































































> > "dream" guy. I still get goosebumps thinking of that dream.































































































































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> > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, "ruthandjim47" <mahhrene@ .> 































































































































> > wrote:































































































































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> > > > >































































































































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> > > > > Does sound nice! Bet you are now wondering about your childhood 































































































































friends! 































































































































> 































































































































> > :)































































































































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> > > > > My dreams seem to be usually out of a sci-fi/fantasy setting but the 































































































































> last 































































































































> > sorta normal dream I had was I was playing with my little one and he said 































































































































'ok 































































































































> ok































































































































> > > you win I will talk!' and I said 'are you going to be a good boy and keep 































































































































































































































































> > talking?' and he said 'yes!' and when I asked him why he hadn't talked 































































































































before, 































































































































> 































































































































> > he said he was scared to, but I didn't understand what he was scared of. I 































































































































am 































































































































> > now wondering if that is one reason he isn't talking!































































































































> > > 































































































































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> > > > > Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. .........































































































































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> > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, marillaandmatthew 































































































































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> 































































































































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> > > > > > I had another dream last night except he wasn't in it at all. In 































































































































this 































































































































> > dream, I was at a casual restaraunt waiting for my date. Supposedly, I had 































































































































> dated 































































































































> > him more that once. A woman came up to me and asked if I was waiting for 































































































































> someone 































































































































> > and I told her yes and I looked around the place and there he was sitting at 































































































































































































































































> the 































































































































> > bar watching me with a big smile. He walked up to me, stood behind me , 































































































































> > caressing my arm, and introduced the woman to me as a childhood































































































































> > > friend he hadn't seen for years. We started walking to our table and she 































































































































> > asked us about our relationship and his life. He told her we had been dating 































































































































































































































































> for 































































































































> > a couple of years and that he had 2 daughters. It being a dream, I couldn't 































































































































> see 































































































































> > his face but saw the salt and pepper hair, felt the spark between us and was 































































































































































































































































> so 































































































































> > happy! I awoke feeling so wonderful that I closed my eyes trying to get back 































































































































































































































































> > into it. I have a son and daughter and know no one with 2 daughters so it 































































































































gave 































































































































> 































































































































> > me some hope.































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > 































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > What a wonderful dream compared to the previous night! Just thought 































































































































> I'd 































































































































> > share.































































































































> > > 































































































































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> > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, marillaandmatthew 































































































































> <no_reply@> 































































































































> > wrote:































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > >































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > I always tell him to go back to his mother and he gives me a 































































































































> horrified 































































































































> > look and asks, "Why would I do that?" I never answer but maybe I should.































































































































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> > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com, Regina Barnes 































































































































> > <ginateresawoohoo@ > wrote:































































































































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> > > > > > > > I have a friend who dated an Iranian and he was the same 































































































































> > way....always caring for mother and bad mouthing his girlfriend. Why can't 































































































































> they 































































































































> > 'cut the umbilical cord'???? I wouldn't handle that very well either....when 































































































































































































































































> you 































































































































> > marry, you start another family...that' s how it is supposed to be.































































































































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> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 10/22/09, ruthandjim47 <mahhrene@> wrote:































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > 































































































































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> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > From: ruthandjim47 <mahhrene@>































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > Subject: [Psychopaths and Narcissists group] Re: Need to get it 































































































































> off 































































































































> > my chest































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > To: Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > Date:































































































































> > > Thursday, October 22, 2009, 12:06 AM































































































































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> > > > > > > > wow that was a wringer for you to go through. This reminds me of 































































































































































































































































> > some of the times that I had with my ex boyfriend of ten years, an Iranian, 































































































































> and 































































































































> > I do remember how closely interconnected family and friends are. I remember 































































































































> > frequent all day visits watching him while he visited with several friend 































































































































> while 































































































































> > they all spoke Farsi. Not much fun.































































































































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> > > > > > > > It does sound like he is looking out for himself and not the 































































































































> family 































































































































> > unit, so you are wise to think about those things.































































































































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> > > > > > > > I am wishing a lot of strength to get through your days.































































































































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> > > > > > > > --- In Psychopathsgroup@ yahoogroups. com,































































































































> > > marillaandmatthew <no_reply@ .> wrote:































































































































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> > > > > > > > >































































































































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> > > > > > > > > It all happened this past Saturday evening. We came home from 































































































































> > dinner and I went to take care of the fire. I was brushing ashes away from 































































































































the 































































































































> 































































































































> > door so they wouldn't fall out everytime the door was opened and he became 































































































































> > irritated with me using the brush and said, "Geez, 'Anne', that's something 































































































































> > 'Shirley' would do" "Shirley" being my mother. I asked him to repeat himself 































































































































































































































































> and 































































































































> > he said it again saying she wouldn't use her brain. I became upset, got the 































































































































> kids 































































































































> > ready and in bed and then got myself into bed. I didn't want to see him or 































































































































> talk 































































































































> > to him and he wasn't about to get off the computer to talk to me.































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > 































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > At 1:30 in the morning I woke up and he wasn't in our bed. I 































































































































> went 































































































































> > downstairs to get water and he wasn't there. So, I went back to bed and the 































































































































> next 































































































































> > morning he is back in bed. I asked him































































































































> > > where he was last night and he acted like he didn't know what I was 































































































































talking 































































































































> 































































































































> > about. I told him about me waking up and he then said, "Oh, yea, I went to 































































































































> > 'insert city here'." I asked him why he didn't tell me and he said he didn't 































































































































































































































































> > want to wake me. I laughed and asked why not since he wakes me for sex. He 































































































































> could 































































































































> > at least have told me where he was going or that he was going out. I then 































































































































> asked 































































































































> > what he did there and he said he went to a bar and I dropped the subject. 































































































































> Okay, 































































































































> > no big deal.































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > 































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > That afternoon while his brother is over he compliments me on 































































































































> > something I did and I replied, "Oh, you mean it's not like 'Shirley' would 































































































































> have 































































































































> > done?" He ignored it and continued to be charming. So charming a bell went 































































































































off 































































































































> 































































































































> > in my head saying he only acts this way after he goes to a strip club. But, 































































































































> > nooooooo, he wouldn't go after I caught him spending a $1000 last year at 































































































































one. 































































































































> 































































































































> > Would he? So, in a playful way I asked him































































































































> > > if he went to one last night. Of course he asks me why and I tell him 































































































































that 































































































































> he 































































































































> > is acting like he usually does after going. He admitted to going. I wanted 































































































































to 































































































































> > have a blow out with him right there but didn't because his brother was 































































































































here.































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > 































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > After his brother left, he called his mom and talked to her in 































































































































































































































































> > their half English/half Arabic style. Just enough so I could get the jist of 































































































































































































































































> the 































































































































> > conversation.































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > 































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > Once the kids were in bed, I casually started playing 20 































































































































> questions 































































































































> > with him about the previous night. I shouldn't have had to play that game 































































































































but 































































































































> he 































































































































> > didn't give away any information freely. Through asking the right questions, 































































































































I 































































































































> 































































































































> > found out that he did go to that city and the bar was in the strip club. 































































































































What 































































































































> > kills me is that he could have just told me he went to the strip club 































































































































instead 































































































































> of 































































































































> > telling me it was a bar and then making me have to pull































































































































> > > teeth for the information. Then, I questioned his conversation with his 































































































































> > mother. I asked if he invited her to go with us on our family outing. (WHY 































































































































> CAN'T 































































































































> > WE EVER GO AS A NUCLEAR FAMILY? WHY DOES HE ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE HER COME 































































































































> ALONG?) 































































































































> > Sorry, had to scream it. He said he didn't so I then asked why he suggested 































































































































> she 































































































































> > go to an earlier Mass instead of her usual. and his response? "Oh, well I 































































































































told 































































































































> 































































































































> > her about it but that I had to check with you first." I laughed! "You did 































































































































not! 































































































































> 































































































































> > My name was never mentioned." "Oh, well is































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > it ok































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > that she comes?" Do I have a choice? If I say no he'll either 































































































































> ignore 































































































































> > me or call her and blame it on me.































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > 































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > I told him I was really starting to lose trust in him. He 































































































































> actually 































































































































> > asked me why so I told him how I shouldn't have to fish around for answers. 































































































































He 































































































































> 































































































































> > said again how he didn't want to wake me and that it shouldn't be a big 































































































































deal. 































































































































> > So, I































































































































> > > through it back in his face asking, "So would it be ok for me to go out 































































































































in 































































































































> > the middle of the night without telling you?" He became upset and said I 































































































































> > couldn't do that. I tried to persist but he ended it by saying he wouldn't 































































































































"do 































































































































> 































































































































> > it again so end of discussion". And the cherry on top of it all? He went to 































































































































> the 































































































































> > strip club because he wasn't getting any at home! He denies getting anything 































































































































































































































































> but 































































































































> > a $4 beer. Weird considering how a year ago he told me a beer was $10. He 































































































































says 































































































































> 































































































































> > that prices have lowered because of the economy. LOL































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > 































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > > Fast forward to last night. I had a dream I was being given 































































































































the 































































































































> > silent treatment and that no matter what I did or said I was being ignored. 































































































































I 































































































































> > couldn't stand being around the kids anymore and kept trying to getaway from 































































































































































































































































> > them. I was with my family and went to sit outside being very quiet and 































































































































> > depressed when a woman about my age with longer and blonder hair came up to 































































































































> me, 































































































































> > grabbed































































































































> > > my chair to face her and said, "I'm sorry, 'Anne', but someone has to 































































































































tell 































































































































> > you. It's over." In the dream those words were all I needed to hear to start 































































































































































































































































> > crying and I awoke crying. He heard me and came into our son's room (son had 































































































































a 































































































































> 































































































































> > bad dream so we had traded beds so he could sleep near Daddy), got into bed 































































































































> next 































































































































> > to me, wrapped his arms around me and asked what was wrong. I told him I 































































































































> > couldn't tell him and he pressured me but I didn't say. I mean, how can you 































































































































> tell 































































































































> > your "significant other" about that dream? The comforting he was giving 































































































































didn't 































































































































> 































































































































> > even feel like comfort. It felt































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > more like































































































































> > > 































































































































> > > > > > > > he was trying to force himself to be caring. If I didn't have to 































































































































































































































































> get 































































































































> > up to go on daughter's field trip I know he would have wanted sex. He was 































































































































> trying 































































































































> > to make his move just as I realized what time it was.































































































































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> > > > > > > > > 































































































































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> > > > > > > > > Thanks for allowing me to let it out. I have 36 hours of free 































































































































> time































































































































> > > from him while he is on another trip. Maybe I can catch up on the 1257 































































































































> > messages that need to be read from all of you.































































































































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