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Fw: NATAP: Ban Vicodin/Percocet-FDA Panel Recommends   Message List  
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Re: Fw: NATAP: Ban Vicodin/Percocet-FDA Panel Recommends

Philip,

The issue of opiophobia is inversely connected to the pairing of acetaminophen
and opiates...opiophobia is what coupled the two drug classes together in the
first place.

There is a patient-driven movement in the USA towards overcoming that doctors'
opiophobia, and many medical bodies are coming to support that movement.
decoupling acetaminophen and opiates makes that easier, because the combination
of the two is simply one of the biggest (or the biggest, depending on the
information source) causes of drug overdoses in the US.

ALL press coverage of the FDA panel decision has focused on the danger involved
being from acetaminophen, not from any opiate. This can only help the cause of
the pain-management movement, as even the most disconnected doctors learn that
the FDA is not as concerned with opiates as they feared. More so now that we
have a rational Executive in place.

I dont know what the over-the-counter drug market looks like in the UK, but here
in the US one can find acetaminophen everywhere and in almost everything.
However, as a result of opiophobia, overdoses and fatalities that should have
been attributed to (prescribed and non-prescribed) acetaminophen were attributed
to prescribed opiates instead.

As you yourself point out, opiates have an exceptionally wide therapeutic
range...but acetaminophen has an exceptionally narrow range. the horridly
paternalistic attitude that paired them together in the first place (expressly
to punish "unauthorized" opiate use) has destroyed tens or hundreds of thousands
of livers and lives pointlessly, and ironically exacerbated the opiophobia that
leaves many in needless agony.

decoupling them has been a long time coming, and will ultimately benefit
patients medically...and politically.

Jeton
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This syndrome is caused by a faulty gene (FBN1) on the 15th chromosome pair, and
is autosomal dominant (if one parent has the syndrome, each child that the
parent brings into the world stands a 50% chance of presenting with this
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I agree entirely. It's stupid to mix hydrocodone with acetaminophen. They should be separate meds, to be prescribed as such. This system is based on...
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Ah, I at first requested Vicoprofen to avoid acetaminophen, but because it is kidney toxic, it raised my blood pressure A LOT. I'm not sure that it isn't more...
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So the "solution" in reaction to people who take too much Acetaminophen is to propose banning Percocet (Oxycodone) and Vicodin? To me this is another...
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Philip, The issue of opiophobia is inversely connected to the pairing of acetaminophen and opiates...opiophobia is what coupled the two drug classes together...
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I learned a lot from this post. Thanks, Philip. Now, we have two political problems: 1. FDA shouldn't ban these painkillers combined with acetaminophen. I'm...
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I have given this issue a great deal of thought over the course of the past few days, and I am grateful to those persons who have complimented me, and for...
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Thanks for your second post, Philip. I called Rich Degarmo at Degarmo's Compounding Pharmacy and relayed enough of what you said that he agreed that his groups...
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... Acetaminophen/paracetamol even at the current recommended dose can cause liver toxicity in some people, especially if taken over several days. People with...
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