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Fw: NATAP: Ban Vicodin/Percocet-FDA Panel Recommends   Message List  
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Re: Fw: NATAP: Ban Vicodin/Percocet-FDA Panel Recommends

i'm always for personal choice, but i think this was a good move indeed. I
recall the "NSAIDS wreck your liver" scare back in 1995, a few weeks into it the
NY DAILY NEWS published a half-page interview with the discoverer of
acetaminophen. He said he told his bosses it was "intrinsically hepatotoxic" and
that he suggested "no more than 500 325mg doses in a lifetime". the article went
on to describe the grim 1st place acetaminophen holds in drug-overdose
statistics.

i've told many people of that article over the years, including people who abuse
Vicodin and Percocet specifically... pretty much NO ONE was aware of the risks.
not even most doctors, although my orthopedist told me a couple of weeks ago
that his clinic advises patients to avoid more than 3 grams a day and no more
than 7 days at a time.

I'm especially worried about drug abusers using these pills willy-nilly, they
actually think the opiate within is the bigger risk.
Vicodin/Percocet and their variants were and are a deeply flawed approach to
drug abuse and dependence. Pharma companies mixed them up with the express idea
that pairing acetaminophen with various opiates would limit their abuse
potential by *making abusers feel sick via acetaminophen overdose*. The fact
that many opiate abusers will brag about taking 16 Vicodins at a time during a
drinking binge (Artie Lang from the Howard Stern Show among them) is proof of
the grim failure of that approach.

Ban them.

Jeton


--- In PozHealth@yahoogroups.com, PoWeRTX@... wrote:
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> Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers
>
> NY Times
> By GARDINER HARRIS
> Published: June 30, 2009
>
> ADELPHI, Md. â€" A federal advisory panel voted narrowly on Tuesday to
recommend a ban on Percocet and Vicodin, two of the most popular prescription
painkillers in the world, because of their effects on the liver.
>





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Panel Recommends Ban on 2 Popular Painkillers NY Times By GARDINER HARRIS Published: June 30, 2009 ADELPHI, Md. — A federal advisory panel voted narrowly on...
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nelsonvergel
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Jul 1, 2009
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i'm always for personal choice, but i think this was a good move indeed. I recall the "NSAIDS wreck your liver" scare back in 1995, a few weeks into it the NY...
jetonxxx
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Jul 1, 2009
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After hearing all kinds of this scary stuff -- that acetaminophen will destroy my liver, I find that I have been on NORCO for over a year because of shoulder...
Michael
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Jul 3, 2009
12:02 pm

i also have experience with acetaminophen, having had a 105.5 fever for a week in 1995, with highly elevated liver enzymes, with nothing to explain it besides...
jetonxxx
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Jul 3, 2009
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I agree entirely. It's stupid to mix hydrocodone with acetaminophen. They should be separate meds, to be prescribed as such. This system is based on...
Michael
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... It's very popular these days to "conservative" bash (dog knows, I do my share of it as well), but I wish Political Science 101, or even 99.5 was taught...
Brian Mailman
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Jul 4, 2009
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I agree, however, my "conservative-bashing" includes wolves-in-sheeps-clothing like Henry Waxman, who never say a paternalistic law to control your behavior...
Michael
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Jul 6, 2009
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... No, I don't think you do, since you continue to misclassify. My point is that classing someone(s) that disagree with you as "the other" is simply the same...
Brian Mailman
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Hey Guys; I don't suppose this is a good time to make the announcement about Henry Waxman's new book in which he details his life-long crusade to protect the...
Sanford Gross
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No Joe. It's interesting...his tome on his idealism. In 1993 APLA took me to meet Waxman in his office to "discuss" technical matters that he didn't seen to...
Michael
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Jul 8, 2009
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The semantics are screwed up. A true conservative wants government to stay out of controlling people's lives - I agree with them. Real liberals want to...
Michael
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There's always Viprofen (narcotic with ibuprofen) and Empirin #3 (narcotic and aspirin) so it's not like there are no alternatives to using acetaminophen.  My...
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Ah, I at first requested Vicoprofen to avoid acetaminophen, but because it is kidney toxic, it raised my blood pressure A LOT. I'm not sure that it isn't more...
Michael
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Acetaminophen, where it is known as paracetamol in Europe, I hear is often sold with its antidote. NAC. http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40001390/ Google...
George Carter
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"Acetaminophen, where it is known as paracetamol in Europe, I hear is often sold with its antidote. NAC." Is it? I never heard of that. When properly used,...
FrankAmsterdam
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Jul 2, 2009
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So the "solution" in reaction to people who take too much Acetaminophen is to propose banning Percocet (Oxycodone) and Vicodin? To me this is another...
Gary
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"So the "solution" in reaction to people who take too much Acetaminophen is to propose banning Percocet (Oxycodone) and Vicodin? To me this is another...
John Barrow
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I suffer from a congenital connective tissue disorder called Marfan syndrome. This syndrome is caused by a faulty gene (FBN1) on the 15th chromosome pair, and...
Philip Chandler
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Jul 4, 2009
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Philip, The issue of opiophobia is inversely connected to the pairing of acetaminophen and opiates...opiophobia is what coupled the two drug classes together...
jetonxxx
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Jul 6, 2009
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I learned a lot from this post. Thanks, Philip. Now, we have two political problems: 1. FDA shouldn't ban these painkillers combined with acetaminophen. I'm...
Michael
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Jul 6, 2009
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I have given this issue a great deal of thought over the course of the past few days, and I am grateful to those persons who have complimented me, and for...
Philip Chandler
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Jul 9, 2009
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Thanks for your second post, Philip. I called Rich Degarmo at Degarmo's Compounding Pharmacy and relayed enough of what you said that he agreed that his groups...
Michael
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Jul 10, 2009
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... Acetaminophen/paracetamol even at the current recommended dose can cause liver toxicity in some people, especially if taken over several days. People with...
Liz Highleyman
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Jul 4, 2009
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Great thoughts. It's only logical to sell hydrocodone alone, for full freedom to choose for the doctor -- and the patient. Michael Mooney...
Michael
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