How would you hold doctors responsible? If the baby catches a
disease, how is it the doctor's fault?  I would assume that if a
child hadn't been fully vaccinated, it would be either because she
was too young or because her parents had not taken her in for the
shots.  Doctors don't ever forget to vaccinate, so an unvaccinated
or undervaccinated child would never be the fault of a doctor.  If a
child was fully vaccinated and still contracted pertussis, that
would be the fault of a highly unsuccessful vaccine, not the
doctor.  I'm working through every scenario in my brain, but I can't
seem to come up with a realistic one that involves a child
contracting pertussis because of a pediatrician's negligence.
Perhaps if the pediatrician discouraged a parent from vaccinating by
saying the vaccine was unsafe, but I've never heard a pediatrician
do that.  In fact, it's quite the opposite.

I do not vaccinate my child and I don't vaccinate myself (for
reasons of personal conviction), yet her group of pediatricians has
harrassed us at every well baby visit we've been to.  Do they care
that I don't believe in vaccinating? No. Do they care about our
civil liberties and our right to decline medical procedures? No. Do
they continually try to hound us into doing something our family
feels is in violation of the basic principles of nature, and
therefore against our religion? Yes.

When I am feeling ill, I stay away from other people, so that I
don't spread disease, no matter if it's a common cold or pertussis.
Everyone else should do the same, and if we're going to educate
people about anything, THAT is how we should do it, not by trying to
force everyone to vaccinate.  Pertussis vaccine is only 66%
effective after 3 shots and only a maximum of 80% effective after 5
or more.  Therefore, even if I did run out and get the adult
booster, I would still be responsible for avoiding others when I was
ill.

I believe the vaccine should be available to those who wish to use
it, and I support that decision.  However, I feel it's a slow
erosion of our rights if we begin to force everyone to accept it or
start suing someone every time we get sick.  Where do we draw the
line? Catching a contagious disease isn't caused by medical
malpractice - it's just bad luck or poor planning.

--- In Pertussis@yahoogroups.com, "Samuel" <wiccanscreed@...> wrote:
>
> Pertussis Kills, Vacine preventable and doctors are aware of it so
why
> are our children dying? I personally would like to see some
doctors
> held accountable.
>

I have been keeping my eyes open, maybe I will hear something word of
mouth at least. I just hope the outcome is good.


--- In Pertussis@yahoogroups.com, "Erin L" <mammapajaro@m...> wrote:
>
> Probably not, I wish there was a way to find out, too.
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Erin thanks so much! I am hoping to hear an update on the baby soon
although I admit I kind of doubt they will print anymore about it.

--- In Pertussis@yahoogroups.com, "Erin L" <mammapajaro@m...> wrote:
>
> I always have to catch my breath when I hear about another baby
with
> pertussis.
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More information that I was previously unaware of came to my attention
during a recent search I dont know why the fact isnt more widely
publicized to help show how imporant awareness is because anyone can
get pertussis but as the heading says The titanic actress Kate Winslet
had to rush her daughter to the hospital as a baby after she was
diagnosed with Whooping cough. Heres the full article
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/wh.html I am doing more research on ways
to contact her maybe she would be interested in helping spread
awareness since she has experienced it firsthand.

Ok I have a huge mixture of emontions,this was just in
our paper http://hermistonherald.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=2276 I
mean to a point I am upset I felt like I failed this is in our town,
where I
post Pertussis papers with information all the time, share our
story, alert
people etc but than again this baby was actually diagnosed (which
the awareness information we share may or may not have contributed
to) the baby actually being diagnosed in itself seems nothing short
of a miracle as most of the Drs here admit to
knowing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Pertussis (which I am working on)
and
I know I have not failed because I keep sharing awareness and even
though I cant make Pertussis magically dissapear I can fight for the
awareness that is so desperately needed and I hope and pray they
that this baby will make it its heartbreaking and confusing and

quote:
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Recently confirmed adult and adolescent cases of whooping cough in
Morrow and Umatilla Counties, and most recently the hospitalization
of a 4-month-old infant from Morrow County is concerning local
public health officials.
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it makes me a little mad that they didnt see it as imporant enough
to do an article warning about Pertussis after Sebanna died or even
more imporantly before when the outbreak started they didnt get into
contact with people to warn them or try to control it at all the
guidelines in place to help control outbreaks are imporant but only
work if they are actually used which I am hoping to further discuss
with the health dept.

This underlines the fact we need to fight Pertussis with as much
awareness as possible. Please dont think your efforts rae vain you
never know how many people could be saved remebering what you told
them about Pertussis.

Just wanted to let everyone know we have a few Pertussis awareness
items available at http://www.cafepress.com/myforeverangels including
buttons, magnets, hats shirts etc. Please take a look around and let
us know what you think, it is new so we will probably be doing more
with it in the future.

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
Pertussis group:

How severe did you believe Pertussis could be?

   o Not at all severe, minor annoyance at most
   o Moderately severe
   o Very severe,
   o I thought it had been wiped out or had never even heard of it
   o I knew it was still around causing outbreaks


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Thanks!

Talk about scary even with the numbers at about

quote:26,000 cases of pertussis reported in 2004, the highest total
since 1959:quote

the article still says
quote:Research has indicated that nearly all cases may go
undiagnosed.:quote

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/12/27/Floridian/Healthline.shtml
The article is a little weird as it goes on to other articles right
below it but wanted to share the link incase anyone wanted to read the
full article

"Key Toxin Helps Keep Whooping Cough Alive In Vaccinated Populations"
   http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35171

Heres a quote of the article below, you can also read it at the
above link.

A key toxin associated with whooping cough helps the germs resist
the human immune system and infect vaccinated populations. Discovery
of this resistance mechanism could lead to potential new treatments
for the disease, according to researchers at Penn State.

Whooping cough, or pertussis, is a highly contagious respiratory
disease caused by the germ Bordetella pertussis. Whooping cough can
occur at any age but is generally considered a childhood disease
marked by severe spells of coughing and a characteristic whooping
sound while inhaling. Though the widespread use of vaccines has
helped reduce disease drastically, recent surveys reveal that the
disease is increasingly being diagnosed in a large number of
vaccinated adults, posing a serious health risk to unvaccinated
children and infants.

"One of the great mysteries of pertussis is how it persists within
populations despite high vaccination rates," says Eric Harvill,
assistant professor of microbiology and infectious disease in the
College of Agricultural Sciences.

Tests on infected mice show that serum antibodies are usually able
to clear the germ from the lungs by recruiting large numbers of
neutrophils, a type of white blood cells that kill germ cells, by
surrounding and absorbing them. But while the technique is
successful against B. bronchiseptica - a closely related germ that
causes kennel cough in dogs - within a day, it takes longer to clear
B. pertussis.

Antibodies produced by the vaccines are effective only seven days
after they are administered, says Harvill, who is part of Penn
State's Center for Infectious Disease Dynamics. "The bacterium
appears to have a mechanism to resist the effects of antibodies
during the first week of infection," he adds.

Harvill's group theorized that one or more genes specific to
pertussis were somehow delaying the effectiveness of the vaccine.
They looked specifically at the genes encoding Pertussis toxin, PTx,
and hypothesized that this toxin somehow interfered with antibody-
mediated bacterial clearance.

To test their theory that those pertussis germs without the toxin
would be more susceptible to antibodies, Harvill and his colleagues
inoculated one set of mice with genetically engineered B. pertussis
that lacked the toxin, and another set with the naturally occurring
strain. Both strains grew well in these mice, but when antibodies
that recognize B. pertussis were given to each group they rapidly
eliminated only the strain lacking the toxin.

Further tests suggest that the toxin acts directly on white blood
cells to temporarily prevent their movement across tissues that line
various organs.

"This is a particular strategy by B. pertussis," says Harvill, whose
findings are published in the current (December) issue of Journal of
Clinical Investigation.

The Penn State researcher says the mechanism for preventing the
migration of white blood cells is a key adaptation by B. pertussis
to prolong the infection period in immune and vaccinated hosts.

"B. pertussis effectively avoids the immune system during the first
week of infection, giving it enough time to successfully grow, and
potentially spread to more people," explains Harvill.

Acute infections are like forest fires, says Ottar Bjornstad,
associate professor of entomology and biology at Penn State and a co-
author of the study. He notes, "And while highly infectious
pathogens will spread rapidly, they may burn through the susceptible
population so quickly that they run the risk of extinction."

"Pertussis cleverly avoids this by using a toxin to allow re-
infecting of those who have been vaccinated or infected earlier,"
adds Bjornstad, also co-director of the Center for Infectious
Disease Dynamics.

According to Harvill, the new understanding could lead to potential
new treatments for whooping cough.

"The most direct treatment could involve inactivating the toxin, or
simply having vaccines that produce more antibodies specific to the
toxin," notes the Penn State researcher.

Other authors of the paper include Mary Kennett, associate professor
of veterinary science; Girish Kirimanjeswara, a former doctoral
candidate of pathobiology who is currently at Albany Medical
College; and Luis Agosto, a former undergraduate in biochemistry and
molecular biology and now a graduate student at the University of
Pennsylvania.

The National Institutes of Health funded this study.

Amitabh Avasthi
axa47@...
Penn State
http://www.science.psu.edu

I had read an article much like you mentioned about the fact they
were testing the possiblity of giving healthy babies the shot at
birth, I know a Ky article had a few famalies that had already
particpated and allowed their babies to get it as part of the test
but thus far I havent heard of any results that have been released,
I assumed that would probably take awhile anyways, but imo it seems
that getting protection sooner as long as they could safely do so
would be wonderful it would no doubt save alot of lives.

I had actually posted a link to a article on the CDC's recent
reccomendation about teenagers and adults getting a booster, its so
scary and sad according to a article Pertussis is the only vaccine
preventable diease still on the rise and I know there are several
states in outbreaks with record high numbers.
--- In Pertussis@yahoogroups.com, Sara in Brunswick <sarana921@y...>
wrote:
>
> Vaccines decrease the severity of the illness in some children.All
vaccines state that the vaccine does not provide 100% protection in
all recipients Most teens/adults who have had their pertussis
vaccine series are NOT immune.Hence the creation,and recent approval
of the pertussis vaccine for teens/adults. Canada has been giving
such a vaccine if you want to research that.
>
>   There is also study on a pertussis vaccine at birth,which does
make more sense...if it could be effective and safe for the little
ones.
>
>   I agree that doctors should be held accountable when they
misdiagnose a disease,which results in delayed proper treatment..and
then sometimes death and injury. Encourage you local doctors to look
into the new vaccine recommendations,and to keep up on the info
regarding diseases we vaccinate for(so they don't misdiagnose!)
>
>
>
> Samuel <wiccanscreed@y...> wrote:
>   Pertussis Kills, Vacine preventable and doctors are aware of it
so why
> are our children dying? I personally would like to see some
doctors
> held accountable.
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Lori, I presume you mean our webpage? I am so glad it helped you and
you found the information that helped you decide to take her in,
hearing stories like that makes it all worth while, how is she doing
now? Good I hope. Please keep us updated and feel free to post as
often as you would like.
Erin thank you for being a part of it remembering your angel with
you, many hugs.

--- In Pertussis@yahoogroups.com, "Lorrie" <littlelorrie1971@y...>
wrote:
>
> my daughter at 5 weeks came down with pertussis i kept takin gher
to
> the doctors and he kept sending me home. i was scared and
sleepless as
> she got worse and was turning blue i finally turned to the
internet and
> found my answeres i took her at 9 pm after researching all day to
the
> doc as i was heading for hospital he called my cell and told me to
> bring her to him again. i had chest exrays done day before and
> everything. i told him i thought it was pertussis he didnt belive
me
> till she turned blue on him and he had no oxgen to give her and
couldnt
> get her to go back pink. PLEASE THIS IS SERIOUS AS MOMS AND DADS
> RESEARCH YOUR BABYS HEALTH DONT DEPEND ON YOUR DOCTORS. SHE IS now
> healty but if i didnt bring her in that night she would not be
> here.lorrie. my email is lwash80189@a... any questions please
email
> me. 6261709
> 8:36 PM on 12/15/2005 Lorrie
>  PUCKNSTICK14 SAVED MY DAUGHTERS LIFE I RESEARCHED THAT NIGHT AND
FOUND
> HER STORY . THERE IS MORE TO THIS STORY OF MY LITTLE GIRL PLESE
EMAIL
> ME ILL TELL THE DETAILS
>

my daughter at 5 weeks came down with pertussis i kept takin gher to
the doctors and he kept sending me home. i was scared and sleepless as
she got worse and was turning blue i finally turned to the internet and
found my answeres i took her at 9 pm after researching all day to the
doc as i was heading for hospital he called my cell and told me to
bring her to him again. i had chest exrays done day before and
everything. i told him i thought it was pertussis he didnt belive me
till she turned blue on him and he had no oxgen to give her and couldnt
get her to go back pink. PLEASE THIS IS SERIOUS AS MOMS AND DADS
RESEARCH YOUR BABYS HEALTH DONT DEPEND ON YOUR DOCTORS. SHE IS now
healty but if i didnt bring her in that night she would not be
here.lorrie. my email is lwash80189@... any questions please email
me. 6261709
8:36 PM on 12/15/2005 Lorrie
  PUCKNSTICK14 SAVED MY DAUGHTERS LIFE I RESEARCHED THAT NIGHT AND FOUND
HER STORY . THERE IS MORE TO THIS STORY OF MY LITTLE GIRL PLESE EMAIL
ME ILL TELL THE DETAILS

Pertussis Kills, Vacine preventable and doctors are aware of it so why
are our children dying? I personally would like to see some doctors
held accountable.

Pertussis Kills, Vacine preventable and doctors are aware of it so why
are our children dying? I personally would like to see some doctors
held accountable.

I read some Pertussis information in baby talk  a few months back and
wrote telling them how happy I was to see that information
included,and also shared some of our story, now this month on page 16
(momsspeak) there is a story of another mom who lost her 7 wk old son
I had read her story before and shes been active in spreading
awareness which is great (I havent been able to find contact
information otherwise I would have already contacted her) but was
happy to see she wrote in to, than two pages before there is an ad
with Pertussis aka whooping cough information etc. I am so happy to
see that I will have to write them again!

Welcome to the group and thank you for sharing your story, I
understand many of us have different vaccination views(I personally
believe in most of them) and I hope that we can all remeber the main
reason for this site is to spread awareness (as I know vaccination
issues sometimes become quite heated).Once again welcome to all our
new members, we sincerely appreciate you joining.


--- In Pertussis@yahoogroups.com, "missrichellech"
<missrichellech@y...> wrote:
>
> My daughter had pertussis at 6 months of age.  I am fairly certain
> that she caught it from my father, who had a lingering cough when
we
> went to visit him.  She had the signature "whoop" and would vomit
at
> the end of each coughing spell.  Her coughing spells would last
> approximately 30 seconds, but her face never turned blue and she
was
> perfectly fine in between all the coughing spells.  The cough was
> infrequent, no more than ten times a day.  The entire illness
lasted
> about 8 weeks and she recovered completely without any
complications
> whatsoever and with no treatment, other than to sit her up during
the
> coughing spells to prevent her from choking when she vomited.  She
was
> unvaccinated.
>
Welcome to the group and thank you for sharing your story, I
understand many of us have different vaccination views(I personally
believe in them) and I hope that we can all remeber the main reason
for this site is to spread awareness.Once again welcome to all our
new
members.

But considering the fact that the shot only confers immunity in less
than 66% of the people who get it, infants will remain vulnerable.
The best thing to do is keep your babies away from anyone who has an
illness with a cough, as you cannot assume that they are protected
since they have been vaccinated.

--- In Pertussis@yahoogroups.com, "Lucy" <pucknstick14@y...> wrote:
>
> I just wanted to post some new information
> http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/r051109.htm this is a link
to
> the CDC's recent press release recommending adults get the vaccine
as
> few people realize that immunity from their pertussis vaccine
wanes
> after five to ten years.
> Also its imporant to not only protect yourself but it's also
important
> to protect your older children, not only for their own health and
> safety, but also for our infant population as the illness can
cause
> lung damage, seizures and, sometimes as some of have sadly found
out,
> death for babies. Also as it has been asked an infant doesn't have
> full immunity until the third shot, or 6 months of age
>

My daughter had pertussis at 6 months of age.  I am fairly certain
that she caught it from my father, who had a lingering cough when we
went to visit him.  She had the signature "whoop" and would vomit at
the end of each coughing spell.  Her coughing spells would last
approximately 30 seconds, but her face never turned blue and she was
perfectly fine in between all the coughing spells.  The cough was
infrequent, no more than ten times a day.  The entire illness lasted
about 8 weeks and she recovered completely without any complications
whatsoever and with no treatment, other than to sit her up during the
coughing spells to prevent her from choking when she vomited.  She was
unvaccinated.

Along with the information I just posted I wanted to add the below
information that I recently posted on another board.
Some Pertussis prevention and information tips since we are coming
upon winter since like many illnesses, pertussis seems to skyrocket
in the fall and winter months. In 2001 alone, over 30% of pertussis
cases occurred in December.

Don't wait to suspect pertussis until you hear the signature "whoop"
that is associated with the disease. As pertussis may begin mild,
the sooner you visit your healthcare provider, the sooner they may
be able to treat the disease.

Pertussis-related complications are generally worse in infants and
young children and may include seizures, encephalopathy (swelling of
the brain), otitis media (severe ear infection), anorexia (severe
restriction of food intake), and dehydration

Pertussis is the only vaccine-preventable childhood illness that has
continued to rise over the last twenty years. It is important to
suspect pertussis when any of the classic signs appear:

Signature "whoop" is heard as the child or infant gasps for air.

Cough usually produces a thick, productive mucus.

Vomiting (in some cases).

Lips and nails turn blue due to lack of oxygen.

Exhaustion from incessant coughing

Those with mild pertussis can transmit the illness to un-immunized
and partially immunized infants and young children who are more
susceptible to more severe illness and complications.

The signature "whoop" so commonly associated with pertussis in
children is not always present in older children and adults.
Keep infants and young children away from older children and adults
with chronic cough, as pertussis is usually transmitted when a
person talks, sneezes, or coughs.

Most important, make sure to vaccinate your child against all forms
of pertussis, including milder forms.

Whooping cough is carried from one person to another by a bacteria
that is found in the mouth, nose, and throat of the infected person.
If your child is properly vaccinated, know that he/she has the best
level of protection available. The disease is most contagious during
the first two or three weeks of infection, often before severe
coughing spells even begin. As an adult, you may be harboring the
disease and be unaware as many early symptoms may mirror the common
cold. Pertussis rates have increased by 400% in adults since 1990.
Be aware of pertussis to better protect your child
For this and more information you can visit Pertussis.com

I just wanted to post some new information
http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/r051109.htm this is a link to
the CDC's recent press release recommending adults get the vaccine as
few people realize that immunity from their pertussis vaccine wanes
after five to ten years.
Also its imporant to not only protect yourself but it's also important
to protect your older children, not only for their own health and
safety, but also for our infant population as the illness can cause
lung damage, seizures and, sometimes as some of have sadly found out,
death for babies. Also as it has been asked an infant doesn't have
full immunity until the third shot, or 6 months of age

--- In Pertussis@yahoogroups.com, "missylizzybeth2005"
<socialworker12@c...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lucy,
>
> Just stopping by to check out your new site. Lucy, I know that you
> have put tons of work into this, your efforts to keep all babies
safe
> is commendable.
>
> Great site!
> Lizzybeth
>
Lizzybeth,
Thanks so much for coming by, how are you doing? Good I hope.

Hi Lucy,

Just stopping by to check out your new site. Lucy, I know that you
have put tons of work into this, your efforts to keep all babies safe
is commendable.

Great site!
Lizzybeth

Excellent reply to Erin...esp when you mention her baby girl...it's a
groundbreaking event!

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Lucy" <pucknstick14@...>
   To: <Pertussis@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:56 PM
   Subject: [Pertussis] Re: Introduction


   > --- In Pertussis@yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <mammapajaro@m...> wrote:
   > >
   > > My name is Erin, on January 8th, 2002, my 7 week old daughter died
   > > from pulmonary hypertension as a consequence of pertussis.
   > >  Thanks, Lucy, for starting this group.
   > >
   > Erin thanks so much for coming (even though I am sorry any of us have
   > a reason to be here), and for posting the Pertussis.com link I hadnt
   > even thought of it yet. It may be slow going at first we do have a few
   > more people supposed to join but I havent got the chance to contact
   > many yet so bear with me, also you may invite anyone you want, any and
   > all are welcome. Hugs and remebering your baby girl with you.
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Yahoo! Groups Links
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >

Our story is quite long and heartbreaking, I am not posting the long
version here that is on our website at Pucknstick14.tripod.com if
you would like to read it.

Sebanna was me and my husbands second baby together, our first baby
a son whom we named Sebastian Orpheus had been stillborn at 26 wks
due to preeclampsia (find out more about preeclampsia at
preeclampsia.org)so trying again was hard and we had many fears
along iwth the most pain of losing our son so when she was born at
37 wks healthy and perfect the relief and even more so the love we
felt was beyound words, my husband had to go to Iraq for his
military deployment when Sebanna was just two days old he left with
the promise to see his baby girl again.

Things were going wonderfully she was gaining weight so well and
just so healthy, I first noticed a  little cough and wheezing plus a
rash that was not clearing up on its own and a slight decrease in
appetite which just got worse, I took her into the Dr and expressed
my concerns the Dr (Dr Maria Bolanos-McClain). said she was fine and
when I asked about testing her for Rsv I was told she didnt need it
as Rsv babies have tons of stuff running from the nose and Sebanna
didnt, finally two trips later she was admitted to the hospital with
what we could later find out was an inncorrect diagnosis of RSV.

After continuing poor Dr care and worsening coughing spells we were
transferred to a second hospital where she began having seizures
that were determined to be caused by them letting her get so
dehydrated (they had not started an iv) that her sodium levels
dropped too low.

Once again we were transferred to the worse and final hospital
(Sacred Heart Childrens hospital in Spokane Wa) where they finally
tested and diagnosed Pertussis the day before my 1 month 11 day old
Angel went to heaven, the Drs care or lack thereof seriously
contributed and if you have not already I would strongly ask that
you read our full story on our homepage to fully educate yourselves.

Please dont under estimate Pertussis aka whooping cough's severity
and stand up against bad Drs and hospitals, its up to us to raise
our voices they need to know that just because they go home at the
end of the day without a second thought of those they hurt, that we
wont allow it to be swept under the carpet.

I dont write this to scare anyhow although if that is what it takes
to save lives then I cant apolgize but please dont learn about
things the way I did I thought Whooping cough no longer existed and
certaintly had no idea what its conquenses could be, just like with
Preeclampsia and I tryed to trust Drs/hospitals. These illnesses are
real, as is bad care and they claim lives please help me spread
awareness. My beautiful angel babies are forever loved never
forgotten and missed beyound words, they are two of the best people
I have ever known and the impact they had on this world in what some
would say their short time goes beyound what others take years to
do, they are loved whole heartedly and forever, death cannot stop
that. In loving memory of Sebastian Orpheus and Sebanna Sarine.
Mommy loves you with all my heart!

--- In Pertussis@yahoogroups.com, "Erin" <mammapajaro@m...> wrote:
>
> My name is Erin, on January 8th, 2002, my 7 week old daughter died
> from pulmonary hypertension as a consequence of pertussis.
>  Thanks, Lucy, for starting this group.
>
Erin thanks so much for coming (even though I am sorry any of us have
a reason to be here), and for posting the Pertussis.com link I hadnt
even thought of it yet. It may be slow going at first we do have a few
more people supposed to join but I havent got the chance to contact
many yet so bear with me, also you may invite anyone you want, any and
all are welcome. Hugs and remebering your baby girl with you.

My name is Erin, on January 8th, 2002, my 7 week old daughter died
from pulmonary hypertension as a consequence of pertussis.
  Thanks, Lucy, for starting this group.